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Offline eneny

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Tactile Keyboard Recommendations ~USD$100
« on: Sat, 01 June 2024, 08:17:17 »
Hii there keyboarders :)

I have been using a Razer Ornata v2 (mecha-membrane trash) for a year and it's already wearing enough for me to want to move on. I have never owned and have not felt many mechanical keyboards so I don't know a lot. Please recommend me switches or keyboards in my budget of ~AUD$150 (= USD$100) !!

What I'm looking for:
I don't like linear and love feeling a snappy registering of my keypress but I don't want a loud and clicky switch.
I also don't want something too light or heavy - maybe something about ~40-50g actuation force?
I have always used a full size and I'm over it. I want about the size of a TKL to still be functional but smaller!
I want to be able to swap keycaps or switches (I think this means hot-swappable?) in the future.
I have never been super interested in sounds but I want something quiet-ish, natural, and relaxing/not annoying
I'd love a plain black keyboard probably to fit my black setup with all deep blue lighting :p
Wired is reliable but I could consider wireless (I haven't used wireless)

I might have other preferences that I have forgotten :)
Thank you in advance for recommendations and ideas!

Offline HungerMechanic

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Re: Tactile Keyboard Recommendations ~USD$100
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 01 June 2024, 12:52:53 »
WRT switches, it's a little challenging to get both "snappy" and "quiet-ish / natural / not annoying."

This is because there have been a lot of "long-pole" switches recently that have an extended stem pole. It 'bottoms out' into the lower housing by crashing into it with the long-pole.

This can create a 'crisp' and 'snappy' feel but it is also very loud.


On the other hand, there are a lot of quiet and 'quiet-ish' switches these days. Some of them are snappy.

You seem to be looking for a light or medium-weight tactile that is snappy and not too loud.


Some "silent" switches are relatively "snappy." So your choices there are:

-U4 Boba [good tactility, somewhat like EC keyboards, can run them at 55 L - 68 G bottom-out normally, which is about 40 - 53 G actuation, depending on spring.] They are the quietest, but also mushy at bottom.

-OUTEMU Silent Cream Yellow Pro V3 / Butter Yellow [a budget version of the U4 Boba. They come somewhat pre-lubed, which is nice. They are mid-weight / mid-tactile, a little under the U4 Boba. Also mushy.]

-OUTEMU Silent Lemon V3 [a low to mid-weight light/medium-tactile, like an Ergo Clear. Silenced similar to the above 2 switches. So it's quiet, but mushy. Really benefits from hand-lubing.]


The above 3 switches are typically of the 'max-silent, max-mushy' category. They are the quietest, but least crisp/snappy. Next, there are 'office-quiet' switches that are less dampened, but more crisp at bottom:

-Kailh Midnight Pro [these are just above MX Brown in tactility, and are a low-weight spring, probably actuating around 45 G. Kind of similar to Silent Lemon, crisper at bottom but not as quiet stock.]

-Kailh Deep Sea Tactile Whale Pro [these are a medium-tactile, probably actuating around 50 G or so, and with greater tactility than Whale or Silent Lemon. Fairly crisp bottom-out.]

-TTC Silent Brown V2 [these are a light-tactile, just above MX Brown in tactility and weight. Comes with a minimal factory lube that works pretty well, springs could use more lube. Actuates around 48-50 G, I would say.]

-TTC Silent Peanut Latte [these are said to be a luxury version of Silent Brown V2. May come with improved spring-lube. May be slightly heavier.]

-AKKO Silent Penguin [these are a popular silent tactile that is probably in this category.]

-TTC Silent Bluish White [a snappy and authoritative mid-weight medium-tactile, it's crisp and decent in stock form.]


Next up are the regular tactiles. These doesn't have any dampening or sound reduction measures. There are honestly too many to choose from. I recommend a sample pack:


https://cannonkeys.com/products/switch-sample-packs

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004917452789.html


Some recent crisp, long-pole switches that are 'ready-to-go' from factory are:

-WS Light Tactile
-Gateron Mini i
-Durock White Lotus
-KTT Macaron Orange

I have listed them in declining order of tactility. The above two are like light Ergo Clears [used to be about 48 - 52 G actuation on the old scale], and KTT Macaron Orange is like a snappy MX Brown.

There is also the TTC Gold Brown Pro, a light Ergo Clear, but it needs a little coat of lube to truly shine. [There are other long-poles, but these are relatively recent and good.]


Then there are the regular-pole, 'classic-style' MX tactiles. Again, too many to choose from, and some can be found in the switch sample packs.

Some switches that can be snappy and good, while not obnoxiously-loud are:

-MX Brown and Ergo Clear. Build the latter with 55 - 68 G [bottom-out] springs of your choice.

-KTT Mallo [these are actually pretty reasonable once the leaves and springs are quieted with lube. Probably needs at 58 - 60 G bottom-out spring for the light actuation you are looking for.]

-Durock Medium Tactile [you would use weights similar to Ergo Clears here, make sure to lube heavily to reduce noise.]

-Zealio V1 Redux [the OG custom tactile. Like an Ergo Clear. Tactile leaf is stronger than Brown-like switches. So they are snappy. Won't be loud if lubed right, and in the right build. Use 60-65 G 14mm springs.]





So those are some switch choices.

For keyboards, I found that the new M87 Pro can be found for about $24 USD [with the 20% discount applied].

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CXHWYRSV


That is extraordinarily cheap for what it is, but it doesn't have many 'custom' features. It's great for light-tactiles, though.

You can go up in the 'budget' category to the various Keychron V and other series, some of which are wireless and such. I like their V-series as a reliable budget entry keyboard.

So one way to fulfill your requirement would be:


-M87 Pro [$45 CAD delivered]

-KTT Macaron Orange [or Baby Blue] tactiles for $36-42 CAD delivered

You can buy some lube for ~$10 USD to lube the stabilizers with.

Some cheap keycaps from AliExpress can be found for about $22 USD during sales.

So that's about $125 USD to fully-outfit a snappy, poppy light-tactile keyboard.


Alternately, you could order a Keychron V-series during sales, 'fully-built' with Gateron / Keychron Pro Browns or Jupiter Banana. Shouldn't be much over $100 USD.


If you want to go the quiet route, get a chassis [M87, V-series, or one of many cheap 75% out there], and put OUTEMU Silent Cream Yellow Pro V3 / Silent Jade Yellow / Butter Yellow in them.

So you have a lot of options.

Offline HungerMechanic

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Re: Tactile Keyboard Recommendations ~USD$100
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 01 June 2024, 12:54:59 »
I see that you are in Australia, so I would order off AliExpress.

Maybe build a kit like the GMK87, which has really great sound, and can be found at reasonable prices during sales. Then, put the quiet switches in, like the Silent Jade Yellow or TTC Silent Brown V2, or Kailh Midnight Pro or something.

Once, during a sale, I saw 90x Silent Brown V2 available for $40 CAD, shipped. But the OUTEMU stuff can be found even cheaper.





EDIT: The more I think about it, here's what I would do in your shoes:

-Order a kit keyboard like the GMK87 from AliExpress, and whatever parts. [Those parts might be stabilizers - get the best like TX AP.]

The GMK87 is currently on-sale for $68 CAD, shipped. Aftermarket stabilizers cost $20-45 CAD, usually. The GMK87 is known for having great sound, whether going for a "thocky" build, or a silent build.

If you want a 75% keyboard instead, something like the Leobog Hi75 is known for having great sound, but it is often more than 50% more expensive than the GMK87.

For keycaps, you can get fake Pyga for about $33 CAD, shipped:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005521545504.html

or CX SA keycaps [not Cherry-profile] for about $32 CAD, shipped:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006038606023.html


Then, get 90x KTT Macaron Baby Blue for $36:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006334883844.html

or especially KTT Macaron Orange for $34:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006209096102.html



So GMK87 + $25 stabilizers [Durock V2 or some plate-mount?] + fake Pyga + 90x KTT Macaron Orange = $160 CAD, which is almost in your budget.

That's if you want to engage in some basic building [kit assembly, lubing and assembling stabilizers].


-If you want it pre-made, see if you can get a cheap GTSP M87 Pro out there. If that's not available for cheap [$45 CAD, shipped], then find out how cheap you can get a Keychron V3.

According to Keychron Australia, you can get a fully-outfitted V3, with Keychron K Pro Brown, for $129 AUD.

https://keychron.com.au/products/keychron-v3-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard


The above keyboard would largely meet your requirements. The Keychron K Pro Brown switches are light-tactiles that are reasonably-poppy, but kind of mellow. They have a middling, higher-pitched sound that will be dulled somewhat by the PBT keycaps.

In time, you'll want to replace the keycaps, and you could almost do so with the fake Pyga for AliExpress within your budget. You could get blue / cyan fake Pyga keycaps to accentuate the blue highlights in your LED-setup.
« Last Edit: Sat, 01 June 2024, 13:46:56 by HungerMechanic »

Offline HungerMechanic

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Re: Tactile Keyboard Recommendations ~USD$100
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 01 June 2024, 13:55:03 »
So just buy the Keychron V3 from Australia [if that's where you are located], and you can slowly improve it [keycaps, switches] over time.

The aftermarket keycaps will start at about $32 CAD [shipped], and aftermarket switches start at roughly the same price. There are so many aftermarket switches to choose from, that your best bet is to buy a V3, and shop around on AliExpress for cheap sample packs [actual sample packs, and packs of 1-10x of a particular type] during the current sale that lasts until June 8th.





Alternatively, you could get a blue or black Leobog Hi75 for $102 CAD [shipped] right now.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006031213876.html


Aftermarket keycaps and switches would run you at least $64 CAD beyond that, though.

But the Keychron V3 is the easiest, pre-built solution, if you live in Australia.
« Last Edit: Sat, 01 June 2024, 14:54:19 by HungerMechanic »

Offline Rhienfo

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Re: Tactile Keyboard Recommendations ~USD$100
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 03 June 2024, 20:22:48 »
So just buy the Keychron V3 from Australia [if that's where you are located], and you can slowly improve it [keycaps, switches] over time.

The aftermarket keycaps will start at about $32 CAD [shipped], and aftermarket switches start at roughly the same price. There are so many aftermarket switches to choose from, that your best bet is to buy a V3, and shop around on AliExpress for cheap sample packs [actual sample packs, and packs of 1-10x of a particular type] during the current sale that lasts until June 8th.





Alternatively, you could get a blue or black Leobog Hi75 for $102 CAD [shipped] right now.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006031213876.html


Aftermarket keycaps and switches would run you at least $64 CAD beyond that, though.

But the Keychron V3 is the easiest, pre-built solution, if you live in Australia.

this is what I would recommend, keychrons are great value, especially the k series (like the k8 is pretty nice)
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