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[IC] DCS SMRT | Presale is live at spkeyboards.com!
« on: Fri, 12 July 2024, 22:33:04 »
DCS SMRT

November 13, 2024


Presale is live, with $10 savings over the in-stock base kit price ($99 now, versus $109 later). Shipping in late January!

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Inspiration

DCS SMRT is inspired by the colorway of Wyse thin-client ("dumb") terminals from the 1980s-1990s. These were boards I ran across in various IT temp assignments right out of college at the turn of the millennium, and didn't appreciate at the time that I was tossing them into recycling piles. But DCS, and this colorway, have grown on me, and this run is motivated as much by appreciation as it is nostalgia, and regret for my actions as a 21-year old Y2K refresh temp.

But I don't want SMRT to just look backwards at the past; I want it to be vibrant, alive, and of the present, too. SMRT gives the option to sport a flashier, modern, colorful look, that rearranges the classic Wyse palette and promotes the original accent colors to a starring role. So you can stay mostly grey like the original, or throw in some vivid blue and yellow splashes.

Yes, the name is a Simpsons reference. But also a play on Wyse ("wise"... get it? Heh heh. Ahem.)

Note that these images are all renders. The final design is subject to vary, the render font isn't 100% accurate to SP's molds, and renders may fail to capture the exact colors and textures of physical keycaps. Void where prohibited, ask your doctor if renders are right for you, etc.





Colors
All colors are Signature Plastics stock resins, matched to the original Wyse colorway. Wyse's colors varied over time (and have yellowed to differing degrees in the ensuing decades), so there's no one scheme that will perfectly replicate every old Wyse board. This set based on the most common colorway that Wyse produced, that most people think of when they hear the name.



Alphas are GSX light grey. Modifiers are GTD grey. Navy legends and accents are BBI blue. Yellow accents and legends are YY yellow.





Dates
Presale November 2024
Shipping Late January 2025


Presale Pricing
Base Kit: $99
40/s Ortho Kit: $25
Alternate Mods Kit: $19
Numpad Kit: $19
Ergo Kit: $29
Accent Kit: $19


Vendors
spkeyboards.com
International vendors being explored


Kitting

Base Kit


40s/Ortho Kit


Alternate Mods


Number Pad


Ergo


Accents



Additional Renders
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In conclusion, DCS SMRT, won't you? Thank you.
« Last Edit: Wed, 13 November 2024, 14:22:36 by Piperaceae »

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 12 July 2024, 22:41:53 »
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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 12 July 2024, 22:57:46 »
Love the set! Just quick correction, there is a corrected 6u mold that works the same as GMK 6Uc would be if you do want to consider offering it.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 12 July 2024, 22:58:59 »
Oh, that's good to know, thanks! When I searched all I saw were complaints about the original 6u bar. I'd be happy to add it to the spacebar kit, then.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 01:05:12 »
I almost ran this set myself as "Modern Wysdom". I'm all on board for it.

Please consider a numpad kit and maybe an international kit.

I'm very much on board for this. But do make sure you get the right version of the legends for the backspace and such. They used some odd ones. I already have two Wyse Paces and am on for the epoch87 group buy. I would gladly combine this with it for a modern take.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 01:06:05 »
I missed the numpad kit, my bad. And please add Big Ass Enter.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 01:22:37 »
Also, I feel like the blue accent mods should have the grey legend for contrast, not the arrows yellow

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 01:35:56 »
I love Wyse boards, so this is really cool to see. Moogle kits are pretty much impossible to find, and it'd be nice to have a Wyse set without having to worry about shine and yellowing from a vintage board. I have a couple of suggestions about the kitting though.

As it stands now you seem to be using legends inspired by a variety of Wyse boards, with the return legend enter key from a Wyse ASCII and icon backspace from a WY-85. However, I think this combination of icon + text, text only, and icon only clashes. I would prefer if legends from the Wyse PCE were used instead, which are standard icon + text. The other legends could be offered in the extension kit. I also am personally not a fan of the icon FN key, particularly on a vintage inspired set.

Having seen the prices of recent DCS sets as well as some quotes, I don't think having this many kits is a good idea. I suggest dropping the 40s support and accents from the modifiers kit and moving them to the extension kit, and moving the numpad into the modifiers kit. That way you get a full base kit for a reasonable price. TKL only base kits are really not ideal, the price of the numpad kit as standalone will be very rough with the MOQ that this set would be hitting.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 03:19:44 »
Forcing people to buy uk kitting if you want iso accent key...

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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 03:46:43 »
I am in.
Love DCS, love blue on beige, love the 10u.
Separate tkl mods means i can buy two for WYSE compatibility. Thank you.
Agree with maxgpdx about the combo of mods, please keep them consistent. Would like icon only but as  long as they are consistent, I am happy.
I don't much like the blue alphas, cuz dark alphas with light mods look odd. Instead, if this gets arabic sublegends in BBI on GSX alphas - similar to SAA - this would be the best DCS set.
Please consider changing “macro” column to relegendables - for XT support.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 06:31:41 »
This has such nice vibes. Love the colours!

GLWIC

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 06:35:24 »
Forcing people to buy uk kitting if you want iso accent key...

This may not be an issue if I just roll the ISO kit in with the other mods and alphas. I was worried two ISO enters in the mods kit was too much for non-ISO users, but also that the UK kit wouldn't be as viable if it were smaller. But not having accent-key parity in the mods kit does stink, as someone who uses ISO.

Please consider a numpad kit and maybe an international kit.

I see you found the numpad! I'd be all onboard with an international kit if it could sell. My concern is that then more languages you add, the pricier it gets, but each buyer is still only using the same handful of keys from it. Putting UK ISO of all languages in was purely selfish on my part, since it's how I roll even as an American, I'll admit. If people are willing to buy an international (I'm assuming NorDeUK?) kit though, I have no objections to offering that.

Also, I feel like the blue accent mods should have the grey legend for contrast, not the arrows yellow

I haven't even thought of that, but I'll do up some comparisons and see how it looks! I don't want to lose too much yellow though on the kits that are designed to bring the color.

As it stands now you seem to be using legends inspired by a variety of Wyse boards, with the return legend enter key from a Wyse ASCII and icon backspace from a WY-85. However, I think this combination of icon + text, text only, and icon only clashes. I would prefer if legends from the Wyse PCE were used instead, which are standard icon + text. The other legends could be offered in the extension kit. I also am personally not a fan of the icon FN key, particularly on a vintage inspired set.

Having seen the prices of recent DCS sets as well as some quotes, I don't think having this many kits is a good idea. I suggest dropping the 40s support and accents from the modifiers kit and moving them to the extension kit, and moving the numpad into the modifiers kit. That way you get a full base kit for a reasonable price. TKL only base kits are really not ideal, the price of the numpad kit as standalone will be very rough with the MOQ that this set would be hitting.

Indeed, I own a WY-85 Gate Array myself and that was my main inspiration, but I took legends from across their full spectrum of boards. I can see the clash being jarring, and I'm open to settling on one standard look for all the mods (probably icon + text). I didn't draw much from the PCE because it felt too normal, if that makes any sense; it doesn't have all of the weird legends and layout quirks, and didn't feel as recognizably "Wyse" when transposed to a modern board, since they can't make use of giant bottom-row modifiers.

I did deliberately change the Fn both to modernize it, but also genericize it, so it could be a "layer" symbol, a hamburger menu icon, Fn, or just an OS-agnostic meta key. Wyse boards didn't really have a ton of bottom-row legends to draw inspiration from. The Win 3.1/95-era menu icon with the pointer and drop-down menu felt busy and too Windows-specific. I want to pay tribute to the original Wyse boards, but I don't want to make an exact replica of them, I do want to modernize some elements to make them more relevant to people who have never even seen a Wyse board.

I went with a lot of kits in part because that's how my previous set wound up. I pitched a frugal monokit to Signature Plastics, and had them come back asking me to break it up into eight kits, add a full 40's kit, and more than double the overall size of it. But that was in SA, and working with SP directly, so I don't think that translates well to this scenario. I expect to combine and cut kits once I get a gauge of their popularity.

Please consider changing “macro” column to relegendables - for XT support.

I'll think about it! I would miss having "real" keys with the classic legends, but want this to work for as many people as possible.

Thank you everyone for the feedback so far! At some point soon I'll go through and standardize the mod legends, do some tests of grey-on-navy, and add in the 6u bar.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 06:38:44 »
Forcing people to buy uk kitting if you want iso accent key...

This may not be an issue if I just roll the ISO kit in with the other mods and alphas. I was worried two ISO enters in the mods kit was too much for non-ISO users, but also that the UK kit wouldn't be as viable if it were smaller. But not having accent-key parity in the mods kit does stink, as someone who uses ISO.

Please consider a numpad kit and maybe an international kit.

I see you found the numpad! I'd be all onboard with an international kit if it could sell. My concern is that then more languages you add, the pricier it gets, but each buyer is still only using the same handful of keys from it. Putting UK ISO of all languages in was purely selfish on my part, since it's how I roll even as an American, I'll admit. If people are willing to buy an international (I'm assuming NorDeUK?) kit though, I have no objections to offering that.

Also, I feel like the blue accent mods should have the grey legend for contrast, not the arrows yellow

I haven't even thought of that, but I'll do up some comparisons and see how it looks! I don't want to lose too much yellow though on the kits that are designed to bring the color.

As it stands now you seem to be using legends inspired by a variety of Wyse boards, with the return legend enter key from a Wyse ASCII and icon backspace from a WY-85. However, I think this combination of icon + text, text only, and icon only clashes. I would prefer if legends from the Wyse PCE were used instead, which are standard icon + text. The other legends could be offered in the extension kit. I also am personally not a fan of the icon FN key, particularly on a vintage inspired set.

Having seen the prices of recent DCS sets as well as some quotes, I don't think having this many kits is a good idea. I suggest dropping the 40s support and accents from the modifiers kit and moving them to the extension kit, and moving the numpad into the modifiers kit. That way you get a full base kit for a reasonable price. TKL only base kits are really not ideal, the price of the numpad kit as standalone will be very rough with the MOQ that this set would be hitting.

Indeed, I own a WY-85 Gate Array myself and that was my main inspiration, but I took legends from across their full spectrum of boards. I can see the clash being jarring, and I'm open to settling on one standard look for all the mods (probably icon + text). I didn't draw much from the PCE because it felt too normal, if that makes any sense; it doesn't have all of the weird legends and layout quirks, and didn't feel as recognizably "Wyse" when transposed to a modern board, since they can't make use of giant bottom-row modifiers.

I did deliberately change the Fn both to modernize it, but also genericize it, so it could be a "layer" symbol, a hamburger menu icon, Fn, or just an OS-agnostic meta key. Wyse boards didn't really have a ton of bottom-row legends to draw inspiration from. The Win 3.1/95-era menu icon with the pointer and drop-down menu felt busy and too Windows-specific. I want to pay tribute to the original Wyse boards, but I don't want to make an exact replica of them, I do want to modernize some elements to make them more relevant to people who have never even seen a Wyse board.

I went with a lot of kits in part because that's how my previous set wound up. I pitched a frugal monokit to Signature Plastics, and had them come back asking me to break it up into eight kits, add a full 40's kit, and more than double the overall size of it. But that was in SA, and working with SP directly, so I don't think that translates well to this scenario. I expect to combine and cut kits once I get a gauge of their popularity.

Please consider changing “macro” column to relegendables - for XT support.

I'll think about it! I would miss having "real" keys with the classic legends, but want this to work for as many people as possible.

Thank you everyone for the feedback so far! At some point soon I'll go through and standardize the mod legends, do some tests of grey-on-navy, and add in the 6u bar.
You really do have my hyped. I have some KLE mock ups of what I was toying with if you want a peek. And I think NorDeUK is probably all it would need. I would want it for Norwegian myself. And I know the German layout tends to be pretty popular as well

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 06:48:45 »
So someone has just approached me privately and asked me to delay or stop this interest check, saying they have vendors lined up for their own version of a Wyse-inspired set, plus the 2020 runner's formal blessing dating back to 2021. But I have no way to verify this yet. They seem to be working on a moogle kit, not a full set. I can't find any posted interest checks for their effort.

I'm not sure what to do here. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but a full set seems very different from a moogle kit, and I don't see anything that suggests their effort was ready to launch.

I do have an SA version designed as a backup. It was my initial focus, before thinking DCS was more viable.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 07:03:37 »
Ok the other designer has said they plan to go public with their kit today. I said I'd pause this for a bit and see how theirs goes, and possibly switch mine to SA instead since I already have that designed in tandem with the DCS. I'd incorporate all of the feedback I've gotten so far for this into the SA, so it'll be more launch ready when the time comes.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 07:25:35 »
You really do have my hyped. I have some KLE mock ups of what I was toying with if you want a peek. And I think NorDeUK is probably all it would need. I would want it for Norwegian myself. And I know the German layout tends to be pretty popular as well

Thanks! So I paused this effort for the moment, because it turns out someone else was days away from announcing their own DCS Wyse set that was farther along (vendors lined up, etc.) and I wasn't sure if they could actually prevent me from running this or not. But I might relaunch this an SA set instead, since I've been developing SA alongside DCS from the start. I'll do up a NorDeUK kit as part of that.
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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 11:10:46 »
unfortunate , hope they're not oco  :))

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT (On hold, due to another DCS Wyse set launching)
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 11:29:26 »
LOL, I definitely hope not!
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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT (On hold, due to another DCS Wyse set launching)
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 11:47:37 »
yummy

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sucks that a full kitting was killed for mod kits

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Ooof, really unfortunate timing. I woulda been in on DCS but I'm out on SA and I don't have any need for the modifiers-only kit. Too bad.

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Does SP still have the molds for these legends?

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Does SP still have the molds for these legends?
There is a good chance. They hoard the molds apparently. You can always email them yourself and they are generally very helpful.

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No idea - I've seen something similar in SA 8010, but not identical. Unfortunately they don't have a searchable list of available legends; you just ask to use something, and I think they look it up in a paper binder? I don't know how much still exists from their Comptec era.

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 15 July 2024, 17:46:10 »
So someone has just approached me privately and asked me to delay or stop this interest check, saying they have vendors lined up for their own version of a Wyse-inspired set, plus the 2020 runner's formal blessing dating back to 2021. But I have no way to verify this yet. They seem to be working on a moogle kit, not a full set. I can't find any posted interest checks for their effort.

I'm not sure what to do here. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but a full set seems very different from a moogle kit, and I don't see anything that suggests their effort was ready to launch.

I do have an SA version designed as a backup. It was my initial focus, before thinking DCS was more viable.

If it's this adaptor kit that is only for people that harvest the old boards, honestly, I'd rather you run the full set. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=123312.0

That kit failed IC at the height of the hobby. It also encourages people to harvest old boards . I would rather just have an entire new set.

If it is a different one, then alright

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - A Recreation & Reimagining of 80s-90s Wyse Terminals
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 15 July 2024, 17:55:13 »
So someone has just approached me privately and asked me to delay or stop this interest check, saying they have vendors lined up for their own version of a Wyse-inspired set, plus the 2020 runner's formal blessing dating back to 2021. But I have no way to verify this yet. They seem to be working on a moogle kit, not a full set. I can't find any posted interest checks for their effort.

I'm not sure what to do here. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but a full set seems very different from a moogle kit, and I don't see anything that suggests their effort was ready to launch.

I do have an SA version designed as a backup. It was my initial focus, before thinking DCS was more viable.

Gonna be real with you. if they want to run a kit that is literally just a few mods, I would run the full set. Moogle has given the blessing to others before. Including me when I was proposing running a full kit.

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between this IC and the other it would definitely be worthwhile to see how many people are interested in a full set of DCS WYSE

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I'd be in for a fullset of this and the other GB but not if this goes to SA profile.

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yeah keep it DCS please.

btw I see no reason to pause this, that other project is just a collection of compatibility kits.

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Oooooooh the blue looks so good. Please do continue working on this. Would love to get my hands on a set

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I paused this IC because I'm relatively new to this, and wanted to proceed with caution. This is my 2nd design, but my first IC. I'm not super active on GeekHack, and unfamiliar with the culture. I was caught off guard when I got a takedown request six hours after posting.

I wasn't sure if this person had any authority to shut my IC down. Were they a mod? Do they have some ownership over the colorway? Are they some sort of scene bigshot that could ruin my design 'career', is it is? I felt like the right thing to do was pause and take stock of things. I haven't done anything irreversible.

I personally believe both of these sets can coexist. They're vastly different, and don't overlap each other. If you have vintage caps, the logical choice is to get the compatibility kit. If you don't have old keys, and don't plan to hunt any down but still like these colors, a full set may make more sense. Why buy too many or too few keys? Get whichever set you need!

If you're a hardcore vintage Wyse fan, of course you'll want to use something more stylistically in keeping with that look. My set isn't that; it's a takeoff on Wyse's colors, but not intended to be a replica at all. My concept is, "What if Wyse started up as an enthusiast keyboard company in 2024? What layouts would they support? What colors would they emphasize? What funky legends could carry over?"

The DCS version is not dead. I can't say anything specific yet, but I've had discussions that have left me optimistic. Same goes for the SA version.

If you want to express support for this, that's great! Keep on keeping  it civil; I have nothing against the other runner or their set. I want it to succeed, because I think there is a market for it! I think both can coexist, and I'm evaluating options now that I have more information. I hope the other runner will reconsider their stance.
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I paused this IC because I'm relatively new to this, and wanted to proceed with caution. This is my 2nd design, but my first IC. I'm not super active on GeekHack, and unfamiliar with the culture. I was caught off guard when I got a takedown request six hours after posting.

I wasn't sure if this person had any authority to shut my IC down. Were they a mod? Do they have some form of ownership over the colorway?Are they some sort of scene bigshot that could ruin my design 'career', is it is? I felt like the right thing to do was pause and take stock of things. I haven't done anything irreversible.

I personally believe both of these sets can coexist. They're vastly different, and don't overlap each other. If you have vintage caps, the logical choice is to get the compatibility kit. If you don't have old keys, and don't plan to hunt any down but still like these colors, a full set may make more sense. Why buy too many or too few keys? Get whichever set you need!

If you're a hardcore vintage Wyse fan, of course you'll want to use something more stylistically in keeping with that look. My set isn't that; it's a takeoff on Wyse's colors, but not intended to be a replica at all. My concept is, "What if Wyse started up as an enthusiast keyboard company in 2024? What layouts would they support? What colors would they emphasize? What funky legends could carry over?"

The DCS version is not dead. I can't say anything specific yet, but I've had discussions that have left me optimistic. Same goes for the SA version.

If you want to express support for this, that's great! Keep on keeping  it civil; I have nothing against the other runner or their set. I want it to succeed, because I think there is a market for it! I think both can coexist, and I'm evaluating options now that I have more information. I hope the other runner will reconsider their stance.
As someone who is STOKED for the moogle kit (and really need it), I understand why the other guy asked for a pause. Seeing how the 2020 version failed, I think having it run without any "competition" (as much as it isn't) does make some sense.

I do plan on picking up the moogle for a true retro feel, this DCS recreation, along with SA if it happens.

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I paused this IC because I'm relatively new to this, and wanted to proceed with caution. This is my 2nd design, but my first IC. I'm not super active on GeekHack, and unfamiliar with the culture. I was caught off guard when I got a takedown request six hours after posting.

I wasn't sure if this person had any authority to shut my IC down. Were they a mod? Do they have some ownership over the colorway? Are they some sort of scene bigshot that could ruin my design 'career', is it is? I felt like the right thing to do was pause and take stock of things. I haven't done anything irreversible.

I personally believe both of these sets can coexist. They're vastly different, and don't overlap each other. If you have vintage caps, the logical choice is to get the compatibility kit. If you don't have old keys, and don't plan to hunt any down but still like these colors, a full set may make more sense. Why buy too many or too few keys? Get whichever set you need!

If you're a hardcore vintage Wyse fan, of course you'll want to use something more stylistically in keeping with that look. My set isn't that; it's a takeoff on Wyse's colors, but not intended to be a replica at all. My concept is, "What if Wyse started up as an enthusiast keyboard company in 2024? What layouts would they support? What colors would they emphasize? What funky legends could carry over?"

The DCS version is not dead. I can't say anything specific yet, but I've had discussions that have left me optimistic. Same goes for the SA version.

If you want to express support for this, that's great! Keep on keeping  it civil; I have nothing against the other runner or their set. I want it to succeed, because I think there is a market for it! I think both can coexist, and I'm evaluating options now that I have more information. I hope the other runner will reconsider their stance.

well put, agreed entirely. I just found the takedown threat pretty exaggerated.

Offline mul7i

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+1 on coexisting, compatibility sets and full sets cater to vastly different people

im a newbie with no easy access to "cheap" wyse sets on the american market,  not a snobby collector with 20 vintage sets that can make a $50 10 key package work lol

Offline FatefulStranger

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Aside from SP's current pricing, I do agree that this shouldn't be shelved because of a compatability kit when this project can stand as a full base kit especially for those who do not own any WYSE sets or have the means to.

Moreover, I really love the blue ASCII alphas and yellow alert and I think those offer a lot more in this space than a mere compat kit.

Offline Sainity

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I'd also love for this to stay alive (and stay as DCS). Don't have the advantage of a large market of old wyse sets where I'm at either (especially not for ansi), and it wouldn't really make sense to find a set from the US market, pay for shipping and import and tax on top, and need to buy an extra compat kit for the layout support I'd like. Also your set does stand out, especially with the awesome blue ascii alphas and yellow alert as previously mentioned  :thumb:

Offline Welo

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I am echoing what everyone else said, I truly do believe what makes your set unique is the kitting. And that blue and yellow kitting *chef's kiss*, and the UK kit... I'm just sold. Full set all the way. Keep it DCS otherwise no point.

Offline Piperaceae

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Thanks, everyone! I really appreciate the positive response. As soon as I can give you more info, I will.

Offline Jurapikahhh

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Please keep this alive! I made a GH account just to say this.

Offline Piperaceae

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Please keep this alive! I made a GH account just to say this.

Thank you, I appreciate it! It is very much alive! I just can't say anything official yet.

Offline madmax13

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So, I also signed up just to comment on this.

With the DCS/SA, I'm on team "Why not both," as I like interesting sets in high-profile designs.

Either way, I think a fresh set is a nice option considering that I don't have the parent set of the add-on kit.

Either way GLWIC.

Offline Piperaceae

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT (paused due to another Wyse set launching, may become SA?)
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 21 August 2024, 14:39:15 »
Just to give y'all an update, nothing new to report right now. Signature Plastics has expressed interest in selling both DCS and SA versions (they were interested well before this IC; this was less about finding a vendor than fine-tuning the design) as in-stock offerings; with no group buy. As far as I know, it would be all of the kits. DCS would come first, possibly followed by SA.

But they're very busy and our correspondence can be slow, so I'm just waiting to hear back in regards to our most recent exchange. This is typical; it can sometimes be weeks or even a couple months between hearing from them, so patience is definitely called for. I really don't expect to hear from them again until they contact me to let me know manufacturing has wrapped on another in-stock set I designed, due in September or October.

In July, I sent them my "final" kitting for both the DCS and SA versions. There may be further changes at their behest, but I've reached the point where I'm personally happy with the design and kitting for both from my standpoint, and there's nothing left that I want to change myself. It's very, very close to what you see at the top of the page here, in the original pitch.

Thanks again for all of your public and private support!
« Last Edit: Sat, 07 September 2024, 07:28:22 by Piperaceae »

Offline nessMINI

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT (paused due to another Wyse set launching, may become SA?)
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 21 August 2024, 20:36:45 »
I LOVE the DCS profile, especially with this colorway. I'm actually partial to DCS over GMK- theres something really comfy about the typing experience that generally makes me type more accurately than standard cherry profile caps. I love the colorway and hope this makes it to GB. If so, I'm definitly in for one!  ;D

Offline mul7i

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - Possible SP In-Stock Sale, waiting to hear from SP
« Reply #43 on: Sat, 14 September 2024, 03:52:25 »
should just run it now since wyse compatibility kit is put on hold because small kits have ****ty prices lol

Offline Piperaceae

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - Possible SP In-Stock Sale, waiting to hear from SP
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 14 September 2024, 05:37:31 »
should just run it now since wyse compatibility kit is put on hold because small kits have ****ty prices lol

It will (hopefully) run, whenever SP gets back to me. Our last correspondence was in July, when they contacted me about another set in manufacturing, and asked if they could run this (I had sent them a preliminary design earlier this summer). I said yes, and then sent them finalized designs based on the feedback here. No word since; they're painfully slow at replying to messages. They'll need to contact me again soon because that set in manufacturing should be wrapping up around now, so hopefully they'll give me status updates on both.
« Last Edit: Sat, 14 September 2024, 05:44:02 by Piperaceae »

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - Possible SP In-Stock Sale, waiting to hear from SP
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 14 September 2024, 07:38:37 »
Love this set a lot, but I'm curious about the mod design. Why is the backspace icon only while other mods are either icon + text or text only? Is it a reference that I'm missing?

Offline Piperaceae

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - Possible SP In-Stock Sale, waiting to hear from SP
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 14 September 2024, 08:15:10 »
Love this set a lot, but I'm curious about the mod design. Why is the backspace icon only while other mods are either icon + text or text only? Is it a reference that I'm missing?

There were some Wyse boards that mixed icon and text modifiers. The WY-85 for example, has mostly text mods, but an "xbox" icon backspace key. Some of this has been changed since the initial post, because people did find it confusing.

Offline mul7i

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - Possible SP In-Stock Sale, waiting to hear from SP
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 14 September 2024, 08:51:46 »
should just run it now since wyse compatibility kit is put on hold because small kits have ****ty prices lol

It will (hopefully) run, whenever SP gets back to me. Our last correspondence was in July, when they contacted me about another set in manufacturing, and asked if they could run this (I had sent them a preliminary design earlier this summer). I said yes, and then sent them finalized designs based on the feedback here. No word since; they're painfully slow at replying to messages. They'll need to contact me again soon because that set in manufacturing should be wrapping up around now, so hopefully they'll give me status updates on both.

Thats good to hear! all the best with the set and SP, really want this set to be ran  :thumb:

Offline Piperaceae

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - Possible SP In-Stock Sale, waiting to hear from SP
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 14 September 2024, 09:02:57 »
Thank you! I really appreciate everyone's feedback and well-wishes on this. I'm sorry I don't have more news to report right now. Like I said, they're just slow when it comes to correspondence (at least, on sets running in-stock; they're pretty speedy with quotes, from what I gather). Talking to other designers, it's been the same with them.

Until and unless I hear otherwise, I believe this will happen. Their last word was that they were interested, and had looked at the other set and thought this was very different; enough that neither would have any bearing on the other.
« Last Edit: Sun, 15 September 2024, 11:54:14 by Piperaceae »

Offline HungerMechanic

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Re: [IC] DCS SMRT - Possible SP In-Stock Sale, waiting to hear from SP
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 14 September 2024, 14:07:48 »
A lot of people really want to see this set. It's a good idea, and I'm glad it's being pursued.

Being in-stock is even better. I have purchased several sets directly from SP before. Usually during sales. Once this set becomes affordable to me, it's a guaranteed purchase.