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[IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 08:49:43 »




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For months, I’ve been considering bringing Honeywell to MTNU, but I’d like to approach it a bit more accurately than previous GMK runs.
Long story short, the CYL runs of Honeywell used colors that differ from those used in the SA run, which are more accurate to the keyboard the set is inspired by. Most notably, the red used for the accents and the alpha legends, which are gray instead of black. Also, the F-row wasn't fully modifier-colored.


Sources:

Original Honeywell keyboard - 1
Original Honeywell keyboard - 2

https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/sa-keycaps/Honeywell/
https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/gmk-keycaps/Honeywell-Co/
https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/gmk-keycaps/Honeywell/




Kitting Renders

Base Kit - Price TBD (targeting ~$99)


Extension Kit - Price TBD


Kitting & Colors Explained

No Numpad?

As many of you may already know, the keyboard that inspired the set features a black numpad (essentially WoB colors).
The idea would be to use standard GMK XW1 and XS1 for two reasons:
First, the white and black used in the SA run (WFK and NN) are effectively equivalent to XW1 and XS1. More importantly, keeping these colors standard would allow users to pair the set with an existing MTNU WoB numpad if they choose to do so.

The other two colors would be standard GMK X2B and XRO3 (RAS, used in the SA run, is a very similar color — making XRO3 a better choice than XP3).

GMK MTNU Stock Colors

The set would also feature two new legend molds inspired by the red accent keys found on the original Honeywell keyboard:

CLEAR RESET — R1 2.00U Backspace
TRANSMIT — R3 2.25U Enter

Why no accented R1 1.00U "BREAK" key?
Simply put, based on my testing, the legend wouldn't fit on a 1.00U keycap. For that reason, I opted to include an accented ''ANY KEY'' instead.

Is the kitting shown final?

Most likely, yes. The goal is to keep the Base Kit as affordable as possible (ideally around $99 for a group buy run).
40s support was excluded on purpose because most of the main appeals of this set wouldn't apply there. Additional spacebars and shift sizes are also out, as the focus of the set is to offer an MTNU set at the lowest possible price while covering only the most popular layouts.




Keyboard Renders













Packaging Design



Not necessarily the final design, but I wanted to take inspiration from the simple packaging design Honeywell uses for some of its products.

The intent wasn't to copy Honeywell's logo, but rather to use a similar Adobe font, Acme Gothic Wide Bold.




I want to thank GMK, Matt3o and all the wonderful people in my Discord group <3

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 08:50:17 »
[29 June 2026]



If you can’t view Imgur images, check out the renders on my portfolio:
https://gtour.myportfolio.com/gmk-mtnu-honeywell




I'm looking for vendors!

Feel free to send me a DM on Discord (g_tour).




FAQ:

Will there be an International Kit?

I'm open to offer an International Kit through GMK directly. I'll try to include ANSI-NorDEUK support, but no promises as the legend molds haven't been made yet afaik.


Why no accented ISO Enter?

For a couple of reasons: the original keyboard didn't have an accented Enter, so we could say it's non-essential to the design. Also, the correct legend “RETURN” is not available for ISO Enter, and making a new mold for “TRANSMIT” would likely not be worth the cost (and probably wouldn't even fit in the regular Enter position).
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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 09:22:12 »
the only difference between neutering mtnu and DCS base kits for a reasonable price is people actually want DCS

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 09:54:29 »
the only difference between neutering mtnu and DCS base kits for a reasonable price is people actually want DCS

I was waiting for your comment, thanks for bringing a smile to my face with your memes ;D

Well, at least GMK has a spherical profile that is somewhat relevant, compared to SP SA omegalul

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 09:57:21 »
I would have considered getting this if it were a real basekit, but that is just too little compatibility.

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 10:00:53 »
I would have considered getting this if it were a real basekit, but that is just too little compatibility.

What compatibility are you talking about exactly? Apart from the numpad and 40s, which would stay out for the reasons I explained in the thread.

I’d love to hear if there are any missing keys that are actually wanted by a decent number of people.

Feel free to fill out the IC form if you’ve got a couple of minutes ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 10:01:11 »
So I see the note about “why no accented iso” but also, my main feedback would be to add the accented iso  ;D I can’t see that killing the cost.
Also would be down for the int kit.
Will you be posting this on GMK discord IC channel? I can’t even see these pics as Imgur won’t load in uk, but managed to find an image on discord.

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 10:07:36 »
So I see the note about “why no accented iso” but also, my main feedback would be to add the accented iso  ;D I can’t see that killing the cost.
Also would be down for the int kit.
Will you be posting this on GMK discord IC channel? I can’t even see these pics as Imgur won’t load in uk, but managed to find an image on discord.

Sorry about that, I’ve edited the first comment with a link to my portfolio site if you want to check out the renders there.

Noted about the accented ISO Enter :)

Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 10:38:12 »
Do you already have vendors in mind?

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 10:49:50 »
Do you already have vendors in mind?

We already have something cooking behind the scenes, and I’m pleasantly surprised by the interest it’s gotten in such a short time.

That said, I’d prefer to wait until I have more precise information on vendors and a confirmed GB date before making any announcement :)

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 14:00:39 »
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.

Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.

Actually, scrap that, I just noticed... $99 for this base kit?! Jesus.
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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 14:19:49 »
Honeywell good.

Though, I hope the red is closer to the red from the SP runs.

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 14:30:42 »
>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 14:42:40 »
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.

Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.

The point wasn't to color-match to a previous SA run at all. I was simply explaining, with sources, why whoever designed the SA run (which used stock SP colors) made color choices that were closer to the actual Honeywell keyboard than whoever designed the previous GMK runs.

I highly doubt the white is actually different, it's most likely just a matter of lighting and/or yellowing. Imagine color-matching the LEGENDS of a 40 to 50 year-old keyboard. Unless you have a pristine unit, the color matching is inevitably going to be off.

The fact that MTNU WoB Base Kits are currently out of stock means that hundreds, if not thousands, of units are already in the hands of what I'd guess is at least 80% of the people buying $100+ plastic. And I'm sure they'll eventually be restocked. If you don't own an MTNU WoB set, it's highly unlikely you're much of an MTNU fan to begin with.

I'm not opposed to offering a separate Numpad Kit, though. The problem is that we already know it wouldn't reach MOQ on its own and would most likely have to be saved by vendors. I see people asking for numpads all the time, but the reality is that sales data consistently shows most buyers simply don't care for it.
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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 14:59:42 »
>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL

The problem with most people is that, as we say in Italy, they want to have the full barrel and a drunk wife.

A $99 TKL Base Kit has too little compatibility, while a $135–150 'Grand' Base Kit is often considered too expensive. What exactly do you expect?

All of this while also having little to no understanding of MOQ tiers. When you occasionally see a set with slightly broader kitting than usual while also being a bit cheaper than average, it's generally because the starting MOQ used for pricing is higher than what most sets begin with.

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 15:52:03 »
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.

Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.

The point wasn't to color-match to a previous SA run at all. I was simply explaining, with sources, why whoever designed the SA run (which used stock SP colors) made color choices that were closer to the actual Honeywell keyboard than whoever designed the previous GMK runs.

I highly doubt the white is actually different, it's most likely just a matter of lighting and/or yellowing. Imagine color-matching the LEGENDS of a 40 to 50 year-old keyboard. Unless you have a pristine unit, the color matching is inevitably going to be off.

The fact that MTNU WoB Base Kits are currently out of stock means that hundreds, if not thousands, of units are already in the hands of what I'd guess is at least 80% of the people buying $100+ plastic. And I'm sure they'll eventually be restocked. If you don't own an MTNU WoB set, it's highly unlikely you're much of an MTNU fan to begin with.

I'm not opposed to offering a separate Numpad Kit, though. The problem is that we already know it wouldn't reach MOQ on its own and would most likely have to be saved by vendors. I see people asking for numpads all the time, but the reality is that sales data consistently shows most buyers simply don't care for it.

Colourmatching to existing Honeywell terminal boards is decently feasible, the keys are overall _very_ UV-stable. Below is a pristine unit, showing the off-white legends. And a yellowed unit for comparison. Does this account for all units? No. As for the rest of your comment, yes the source matters.

Cost cutting your set to the bone to tell someone to buy a product 1.5x the price is a bad sell - You should absolutely consider offering a numpad.

>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL

The problem with most people is that, as we say in Italy, they want to have the full barrel and a drunk wife.

A $99 TKL Base Kit has too little compatibility, while a $135–150 'Grand' Base Kit is often considered too expensive. What exactly do you expect?

All of this while also having little to no understanding of MOQ tiers. When you occasionally see a set with slightly broader kitting than usual while also being a bit cheaper than average, it's generally because the starting MOQ used for pricing is higher than what most sets begin with.


The problem with most designers, as we say here in Denmark, is that they're full of ****.

You can absolutely subsidise a kit completely into oblivion, where actually having meaningful support ends up being more costly compared to a standard base kit, chasing away customers. Turning your argument of MOQ tiers upside down, actually doing streamlined support in the base kit with physical support and then moving specialised kits into as few extension kits as possible is absolutely the way to go for any base kit to be successful.

99 USD for this base kit is not a good deal, and for any ISO user this is an atrocious deal. Not only is the base kit not 99 USD for them - It's going to be substantially more expensive and still yield them 0 accents. ISO support is key physical support, it should not be subsidised. Your extension kit is forcing Alice-users to pay for HHKB-support, HHKB-users to pay for ISO support, and the ISO-users skipping this buy, because why the **** should they pay for HHKB and Alice-support when they only get barebones support out of it.

Your current kitting is bad, but it's not like the whole thing is salvageable. Here's what I would expect from a decent base kit:

Put ISO back into the base, and if you want accents, add ISO accent.
Add alpha tilde and pipe to the base.
Do a proper extension kit and keep the rest there, and add the rest of the split bars.
Move F13, heck I'd discuss moving the "MTNU R2 Up"-meme from the base there as well, and you can consider adding decent 40s support to that to bring in more people to buy your base kit.
If you're committed to splitting the numpad, omit R1 End and Pg Dn and save those for a numpad kit, where you can do split 0 and Equal sign. With adequate accents. But again, there's strength in numbers, and

If you can't do that base kit for 99 USD at that point, what's the ****ing point of splitting the numpad in the first place then.
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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 16:30:23 »
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.

Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.

The point wasn't to color-match to a previous SA run at all. I was simply explaining, with sources, why whoever designed the SA run (which used stock SP colors) made color choices that were closer to the actual Honeywell keyboard than whoever designed the previous GMK runs.

I highly doubt the white is actually different, it's most likely just a matter of lighting and/or yellowing. Imagine color-matching the LEGENDS of a 40 to 50 year-old keyboard. Unless you have a pristine unit, the color matching is inevitably going to be off.

The fact that MTNU WoB Base Kits are currently out of stock means that hundreds, if not thousands, of units are already in the hands of what I'd guess is at least 80% of the people buying $100+ plastic. And I'm sure they'll eventually be restocked. If you don't own an MTNU WoB set, it's highly unlikely you're much of an MTNU fan to begin with.

I'm not opposed to offering a separate Numpad Kit, though. The problem is that we already know it wouldn't reach MOQ on its own and would most likely have to be saved by vendors. I see people asking for numpads all the time, but the reality is that sales data consistently shows most buyers simply don't care for it.

Colourmatching to existing Honeywell terminal boards is decently feasible, the keys are overall _very_ UV-stable. Below is a pristine unit, showing the off-white legends. And a yellowed unit for comparison. Does this account for all units? As for the rest of your comment, yes the source matters.

Cost cutting your set to the bone to tell someone to buy a product 1.5x the price is a bad sell - You should absolutely consider offering a numpad.

>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL

The problem with most people is that, as we say in Italy, they want to have the full barrel and a drunk wife.

A $99 TKL Base Kit has too little compatibility, while a $135–150 'Grand' Base Kit is often considered too expensive. What exactly do you expect?

All of this while also having little to no understanding of MOQ tiers. When you occasionally see a set with slightly broader kitting than usual while also being a bit cheaper than average, it's generally because the starting MOQ used for pricing is higher than what most sets begin with.


The problem with most designers, as we say here in Denmark, is that they're full of ****.

You can absolutely subsidise a kit completely into oblivion, where actually having meaningful support ends up being more costly compared to a standard base kit, chasing away customers. Turning your argument of MOQ tiers upside down, actually doing streamlined support in the base kit with physical support and then moving specialised kits into as few extension kits as possible is absolutely the way to go for any base kit to be successful.

99 USD for this base kit is not a good deal, and for any ISO user this is an atrocious deal. Not only is the base kit not 99 USD for them - It's going to be substantially more expensive and still yield them 0 accents. ISO support is key physical support, it should not be subsidised. Your extension kit is forcing Alice-users to pay for HHKB-support, HHKB-users to pay for ISO support, and the ISO-users skipping this buy, because why the **** should they pay for HHKB and Alice-support when they only get barebones support out of it.

Your current kitting is bad, but it's not like the whole thing is salvageable. Here's what I would expect from a decent base kit:

Put ISO back into the base, and if you want accents, add ISO accent.
Add alpha tilde and pipe to the base.
Do a proper extension kit and keep the rest there.
Move F13, heck I'd discuss moving the "MTNU R2 Up"-meme from the base there as well, and you can consider adding decent 40s support to that to bring in more people to buy your base kit.
If you're committed to splitting the numpad, omit R1 End and Pg Dn and save those for a numpad kit, where you can do split 0 and Equal sign. With adequate accents. But again, there's strength in numbers, and

If you can't do that base kit for 99 USD at that point, what's the ****ing point of splitting the numpad in the first place then.

This will likely be my last reply, as I'm not interested in playing this yapping game.

You're not talking to someone designing their first set. I know exactly what I'm talking about and why I made the decisions I made. Saying "MTNU R2-up meme" just shows a lack of understanding of what most MTNU buyers (buyers, not yappers) actually want and why they like the profile. Feedback is always welcome, but not with that attitude.

The kitting I'm using here is almost an exact copy of Geon's recent kitting. You absolutely don't need a traditional all-in-one Base Kit for a set to be successful, what you're saying is simply incorrect. With this approach, people who only want a limited TKL Base Kit (the vast majority of buyers) spend significantly less money, around 35–50% less. The people who also need the Extension Kit end up paying only slightly more than they would have if those keys were included in the Base Kit. Exactly how much more depends on the starting MOQ tiers of each kit, we simply don't know yet.

This isn't the type of kitting I'd normally do, but I wanted to experiment with it on this set because of the WoB numpad concept.

Also, show me a recent GMK set with the numpad included in the Base Kit that sold for $99. I'll wait.

And if you, or anyone else, wants to run a Honeywell set color-matched to a pristine Honeywell keyboard (assuming we can even agree on what "pristine" means), go for it.


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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 16:46:08 »
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.

Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.

The point wasn't to color-match to a previous SA run at all. I was simply explaining, with sources, why whoever designed the SA run (which used stock SP colors) made color choices that were closer to the actual Honeywell keyboard than whoever designed the previous GMK runs.

I highly doubt the white is actually different, it's most likely just a matter of lighting and/or yellowing. Imagine color-matching the LEGENDS of a 40 to 50 year-old keyboard. Unless you have a pristine unit, the color matching is inevitably going to be off.

The fact that MTNU WoB Base Kits are currently out of stock means that hundreds, if not thousands, of units are already in the hands of what I'd guess is at least 80% of the people buying $100+ plastic. And I'm sure they'll eventually be restocked. If you don't own an MTNU WoB set, it's highly unlikely you're much of an MTNU fan to begin with.

I'm not opposed to offering a separate Numpad Kit, though. The problem is that we already know it wouldn't reach MOQ on its own and would most likely have to be saved by vendors. I see people asking for numpads all the time, but the reality is that sales data consistently shows most buyers simply don't care for it.

Colourmatching to existing Honeywell terminal boards is decently feasible, the keys are overall _very_ UV-stable. Below is a pristine unit, showing the off-white legends. And a yellowed unit for comparison. Does this account for all units? As for the rest of your comment, yes the source matters.

Cost cutting your set to the bone to tell someone to buy a product 1.5x the price is a bad sell - You should absolutely consider offering a numpad.

>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL

The problem with most people is that, as we say in Italy, they want to have the full barrel and a drunk wife.

A $99 TKL Base Kit has too little compatibility, while a $135–150 'Grand' Base Kit is often considered too expensive. What exactly do you expect?

All of this while also having little to no understanding of MOQ tiers. When you occasionally see a set with slightly broader kitting than usual while also being a bit cheaper than average, it's generally because the starting MOQ used for pricing is higher than what most sets begin with.


The problem with most designers, as we say here in Denmark, is that they're full of ****.

You can absolutely subsidise a kit completely into oblivion, where actually having meaningful support ends up being more costly compared to a standard base kit, chasing away customers. Turning your argument of MOQ tiers upside down, actually doing streamlined support in the base kit with physical support and then moving specialised kits into as few extension kits as possible is absolutely the way to go for any base kit to be successful.

99 USD for this base kit is not a good deal, and for any ISO user this is an atrocious deal. Not only is the base kit not 99 USD for them - It's going to be substantially more expensive and still yield them 0 accents. ISO support is key physical support, it should not be subsidised. Your extension kit is forcing Alice-users to pay for HHKB-support, HHKB-users to pay for ISO support, and the ISO-users skipping this buy, because why the **** should they pay for HHKB and Alice-support when they only get barebones support out of it.

Your current kitting is bad, but it's not like the whole thing is salvageable. Here's what I would expect from a decent base kit:

Put ISO back into the base, and if you want accents, add ISO accent.
Add alpha tilde and pipe to the base.
Do a proper extension kit and keep the rest there.
Move F13, heck I'd discuss moving the "MTNU R2 Up"-meme from the base there as well, and you can consider adding decent 40s support to that to bring in more people to buy your base kit.
If you're committed to splitting the numpad, omit R1 End and Pg Dn and save those for a numpad kit, where you can do split 0 and Equal sign. With adequate accents. But again, there's strength in numbers, and

If you can't do that base kit for 99 USD at that point, what's the ****ing point of splitting the numpad in the first place then.

This will likely be my last reply, as I'm not interested in playing this yapping game.

You're not talking to someone designing their first set. I know exactly what I'm talking about and why I made the decisions I made. Saying "MTNU R2-up meme" just shows a lack of understanding of what most MTNU buyers (buyers, not yappers) actually want and why they like the profile. Feedback is always welcome, but not with that attitude.

The kitting I'm using here is almost an exact copy of Geon's recent kitting. You absolutely don't need a traditional all-in-one Base Kit for a set to be successful, what you're saying is simply incorrect. With this approach, people who only want a limited TKL Base Kit (the vast majority of buyers) spend significantly less money, around 35–50% less. The people who also need the Extension Kit end up paying only slightly more than they would have if those keys were included in the Base Kit. Exactly how much more depends on the starting MOQ tiers of each kit, we simply don't know yet.

This isn't the type of kitting I'd normally do, but I wanted to experiment with it on this set because of the WoB numpad concept.

Also, show me a recent GMK set with the numpad included in the Base Kit that sold for $99. I'll wait.

And if you, or anyone else, wants to run a Honeywell set color-matched to a pristine Honeywell keyboard (assuming we can even agree on what "pristine" means), go for it.

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Then I shall say the same: This will likely be my last reply because you're clearly not interested in feedback.

Just because it's a copy of Geon's recent kitting, doesn't change my view. Extensive slashing of support in kits like these are harming the hobby, and is essentially leaving money on the table from users

As for your motivations for a kit expanding an existing kit; Sure, that's is great, that's done multiple times in the past and I regard that as a good thing. But if your kit is banking on something that's not generally available currently, how good a selling point is that?

Lastly, I would just like to be perfectly clear here: I am not asking for a 99 USD base kit with a numpad here. Cutting the numpad from the base kit is not a 1-1 price reduction of the base kit which led me to ask the question that if you have to cut this much support, and thus people in the hobby out, to reach 99 USD for this base kit, what is the point versus offering a more classic base kit at a better overall cost.

The whole colour matching thing I'm frankly not going to dig further into.

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 29 June 2026, 22:27:51 »
Hype! Hoping for Novelkeys for US vendor  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 30 June 2026, 00:00:51 »
Are all these complaints on kitting serious? It's like we got all full size and alice users around the entire world here in this post. Come on, we all know this hobby revolves around TKLs and 60s (and maybe also 65s). Adding ISO accents then this base kit is decent enough. This will definitely be my first mtnu set if it really happens. GLWIC!
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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 30 June 2026, 00:58:25 »
As a newbie to the hobby that started 3 months ago, i always wonder why the base kits do not consist of only the standard TKL.

Meaning a rectangle from the Esc key to the right arrow keys. All the other keys below that and the F13 key should be moved out to another kit.

If you want to have the unique red backspace and any key, why not just incorporate them into the base kit directly instead?

That would totally make sense if your aim is to have the lowest cost MNTU base kit. It might even hit $79 base kit that way.

In fact, why not take that idea further and do without the 6.25U spacebar row. I would be interested to know the weightage of 6.25U users versus 7U users. Are they equally split? Or only 10% of users are 7U users?

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 30 June 2026, 01:58:24 »
Hype! Hoping for Novelkeys for US vendor  :thumb:

I would be more than happy to have NK as the US vendor. They're a fantastic vendor for both customers and designers, and the main reason MTNU is still being run consistently today.

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 30 June 2026, 02:18:40 »
Are all these complaints on kitting serious? It's like we got all full size and alice users around the entire world here in this post. Come on, we all know this hobby revolves around TKLs and 60s (and maybe also 65s). Adding ISO accents then this base kit is descent enough. This will definitely be my first mtnu set if it really happens. GLWIC!

They're mostly made by vocal people who more or less belong to the same group. But we've got thick skin here, and we're happy to respond in kind.

The IC form currently shows that around 70% of people (and considering it was likely brigaded by some of these vocal people, the real percentage would probably be even higher) prefer a simple TKL Base Kit.

The overall kitting philosophy will most likely remain the same, but that doesn't mean I'm not listening to feedback that actually makes sense (rather than yapping from people who probably wouldn't buy the set anyway).

As I already mentioned in Matt3o's Discord server, the only additions I currently see worth making to the Extension Kit are:

- Accented ISO Enter (Enter legend)
- Two 3.00u 3-stem spacebars
- A second 2.25u Shift

The Base Kit will remain unchanged in order to stay around the ~$99 price point.

As a newbie to the hobby that started 3 months ago, i always wonder why the base kits do not consist of only the standard TKL.

Meaning a rectangle from the Esc key to the right arrow keys. All the other keys below that and the F13 key should be moved out to another kit.

If you want to have the unique red backspace and any key, why not just incorporate them into the base kit directly instead?

That would totally make sense if your aim is to have the lowest cost MNTU base kit. It might even hit $79 base kit that way.

In fact, why not take that idea further and do without the 6.25U spacebar row. I would be interested to know the weightage of 6.25U users versus 7U users. Are they equally split? Or only 10% of users are 7U users?

That's exactly the approach I wanted to try with this set. The ~$99 range I mentioned is just indicative and can slightly change based on the starting MOQ the kits are going to priced to.

As for the 6.25U bottom-row: I also was questioning if 6.25U bottom-row is better to include in a limited TKL Base Kit than let's say an HHKB one. After talking with vendors who actually know what they are talking about from experience (not random yappers on the internet who can't control their mouth), 80% of buyers actually use a 6.25U bottom-row. We just don't see them much around on socials so that gives the illusion they are much less of a group of people than they actually are.

Thanks to both of you for commenting with good intention.

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 30 June 2026, 03:01:20 »
this is peak

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Re: [IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 30 June 2026, 03:07:00 »
What would be amazing is if GMK shared the MOQ across variants of basekits that work for the regions involved. Some regions are ISO vs ANSI. Some are 6.25u vs 7u. I would never use ISO in my case, but still pay for it, to get the base kit.

I’m more than happy to pay for extension kits, for more niche layouts like HHKB and Alice. Also okay with a numpad child kit. And accent kits.

I think that would be a better outcome for a customer perspective. Probably a nightmare for SKUs though lol.