[IC] GMK MTNU Honeywell | $99 Base Kit?!

[mikademus]

…Jukebox, a garish hellscape of eggshell and mint that won't match almost any keyboard and looks more like a sad meme joke … Not to mention that some pastel nightmare called Papaya or something is being GB:d or produced.

Your friends must think you’re the most fun at parties!

Oh god, they hate it when I talk about keyboards! But if your're a fan please enlighten me! I'd love to learn something I obviously don't get!

[nadhole69]

I like the kitting, and more than that the price point, im not a fan of MTNU but At this price range i can consider it, GLWIC!

[mr_foggy]

Ehhh mtnu is... not my thing.
Still holding out hope for a proper SA rerun though - given geon's recent OCO reruns.

since you're so plugged in with geon can you convince him to run dsa sets it's widdawawwy the best uniform profile

I agree 100% but I'm not plugged in at all lol, you gotta ask the designer here, I just spend money

…Jukebox, a garish hellscape of eggshell and mint that won't match almost any keyboard and looks more like a sad meme joke … Not to mention that some pastel nightmare called Papaya or something is being GB:d or produced.

Your friends must think you’re the most fun at parties!

Oh god, they hate it when I talk about keyboards! But if your're a fan please enlighten me! I'd love to learn something I obviously don't get!

gmk is not an art collective: they produce what they're asked. it doesn't have to look good to you, it has to sell. and jukebox is one of the oldest and most iconic colorways in the hobby. if pastel colors disturb you, wait until you see the mtnu version of analog dreams lol (and the glyph alignment on the alphas 😂)

[mikademus]

Ehhh mtnu is... not my thing.
Still holding out hope for a proper SA rerun though - given geon's recent OCO reruns.

since you're so plugged in with geon can you convince him to run dsa sets it's widdawawwy the best uniform profile

I agree 100% but I'm not plugged in at all lol, you gotta ask the designer here, I just spend money

…Jukebox, a garish hellscape of eggshell and mint that won't match almost any keyboard and looks more like a sad meme joke … Not to mention that some pastel nightmare called Papaya or something is being GB:d or produced.

Your friends must think you’re the most fun at parties!

Oh god, they hate it when I talk about keyboards! But if your're a fan please enlighten me! I'd love to learn something I obviously don't get!

gmk is not an art collective: they produce what they're asked. it doesn't have to look good to you, it has to sell. and jukebox is one of the oldest and most iconic colorways in the hobby. if pastel colors disturb you, wait until you see the mtnu version of analog dreams lol (and the glyph alignment on the alphas 😂)

I have seen it and am trying to keep an open mind. Trying really hard, I might add I seriously had no idea that Jukebox had a pedigree. It seems that the current trend in CYL are pastel and what I call "garish" sets, and it would follow that this seeps into MTNU, too. And yeah, you are spot in in assessing that I'd not be a fan of the Analogue Dreams legend/sublegend placements. That said, Analogue Dreams is a set I am contemplating getting, if nothing else for the mix-and-match opportunities it offers and that the alphas themselves are pretty decent.

That said, was GMK really asked for jukebox? It seems rather that it is Andy's own favourite creation (he himself told me about it at the GMK discord--props Andy!), and he himself wanted to bring it to MTNU (which is perfectly fair), even though I insist that it would have made more financial sense to release a BoW grand set before anything else in-house.

[dvorcol]

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[spikedsynapse]

I would have considered getting this if it were a real basekit, but that is just too little compatibility.

What compatibility are you talking about exactly? Apart from the numpad and 40s, which would stay out for the reasons I explained in the thread.

I’d love to hear if there are any missing keys that are actually wanted by a decent number of people.

Feel free to fill out the IC form if you’ve got a couple of minutes

I was going to answer this but the way you are arguing with people makes it obvious that you have your own idea and will not be bent. Good luck.

[Gtour]

I would have considered getting this if it were a real basekit, but that is just too little compatibility.

What compatibility are you talking about exactly? Apart from the numpad and 40s, which would stay out for the reasons I explained in the thread.

I’d love to hear if there are any missing keys that are actually wanted by a decent number of people.

Feel free to fill out the IC form if you’ve got a couple of minutes

I was going to answer this but the way you are arguing with people makes it obvious that you have your own idea and will not be bent. Good luck.

The way I argued was with one person, not with "people". And I'd do it again. The people who expressed their feedback respectfully received nothing but the same respect in return. It's a pretty simple concept to grasp if you're an adult.

And the claim that "I have my own idea and won't be bent" isn't true at all. In fact, it's the exact opposite. The meaningful feedback I'm receiving here, in my Discord server, and through the IC form is already shaping the set. The most requested additions and changes will be implemented.

I'd even be willing to make this an all-in-one Base Kit if that's what the community and vendors prefer. If I haven't done that already, it's simply because the majority of people currently prefer the kitting that's being shown (with a few changes that, once again, will be implemented).

[mikademus]

I'd even be willing to make this an all-in-one Base Kit if that's what the community and vendors prefer.

*raises hand* Yes, please!

[Gtour]

I'd even be willing to make this an all-in-one Base Kit if that's what the community and vendors prefer.

*raises hand* Yes, please!

Noted

I just want to clarify that my only goal was to make the Base Kit more affordable, since MTNU is generally more expensive and sells less than CYL.
It definitely wasn't about cutting support just because I felt like it that day, ahah

As I said, let's see how things evolve, and I'll make whatever changes end up making the most sense.

[taskami]

pretty neat, still need to try mtnu

[Gtour]

I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.

That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.

I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.

Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future

[dvorcol]

I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.

That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.

I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.

Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future

For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?

[Gtour]

I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.

That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.

I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.

Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future

For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?

A dedicated 40% child kit in 2026 for an MTNU set? That's blasphemy, lmao.

Jokes aside, the Grand Base Kit would obviously include between 3 and 6-keys 40s support (most likely 3 to 4), just like we've seen with most recent sets.

[dvorcol]

I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.

That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.

I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.

Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future

For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?

A dedicated 40% child kit in 2026 for an MTNU set? That's blasphemy, lmao.

Jokes aside, the Grand Base Kit would obviously include between 3 and 6-keys 40s support (most likely 3 to 4), just like we've seen with most recent sets.

Then consider moving the dedicated 40s keys from the Grand Base to the TKL Base. It would reduce the price of the Grand Base and attract 40s users who don't want to pay for a million keycaps they won't use. And how many Numpad users want spacebars smaller than 6u?

On the other hand, those who want to cover both types of boards would have to buy both Base kits. But what percent of buyers is that?

You could make an IC survey to weigh customer preferences.

[Gtour]

I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.

That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.

I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.

Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future

For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?

A dedicated 40% child kit in 2026 for an MTNU set? That's blasphemy, lmao.

Jokes aside, the Grand Base Kit would obviously include between 3 and 6-keys 40s support (most likely 3 to 4), just like we've seen with most recent sets.

Then consider moving the dedicated 40s keys from the Grand Base to the TKL Base. It would reduce the price of the Grand Base and attract 40s users who don't want to pay for a million keycaps they won't use. And how many Numpad users want spacebars smaller than 6u?

On the other hand, those who want to cover both types of boards would have to buy both Base kits. But what percent of buyers is that?

You could make an IC survey to weigh customer preferences.

What you're saying is correct in theory, and I agree. But in practice, it doesn't make much sense.

If I start adding more support to the TKL Base Kit (40s, Alice, HHKB, etc.), the price would increase, and the price gap between the TKL Base Kit and the Grand Base Kit would shrink to the point where it no longer makes sense to have two separate base kits. Having two base kits only makes sense when there's a substantial price difference between them (e.g. ~$99 vs. ~$150).

I'm also not sure why anyone would have to buy both base kits, since the Grand Base Kit is literally just the TKL Base Kit plus additional support for those who need it (numpad, 40s, Alice, HHKB, etc.).

[Gtour]

I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.

That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.

I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.

Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future

For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?

A dedicated 40% child kit in 2026 for an MTNU set? That's blasphemy, lmao.

Jokes aside, the Grand Base Kit would obviously include between 3 and 6-keys 40s support (most likely 3 to 4), just like we've seen with most recent sets.

Then consider moving the dedicated 40s keys from the Grand Base to the TKL Base. It would reduce the price of the Grand Base and attract 40s users who don't want to pay for a million keycaps they won't use. And how many Numpad users want spacebars smaller than 6u?

On the other hand, those who want to cover both types of boards would have to buy both Base kits. But what percent of buyers is that?

You could make an IC survey to weigh customer preferences.

What you're saying is correct in theory, and I agree. But in practice, it doesn't make much sense.

If I start adding more support to the TKL Base Kit (40s, Alice, HHKB, etc.), the price would increase, and the price gap between the TKL Base Kit and the Grand Base Kit would shrink to the point where it no longer makes sense to have two separate base kits. Having two base kits only makes sense when there's a substantial price difference between them (e.g. ~$99 vs. ~$150).

I'm also not sure why anyone would have to buy both base kits, since the Grand Base Kit is literally just the TKL Base Kit plus additional support for those who need it (numpad, 40s, Alice, HHKB, etc.).

I get what you're saying now with people having to buy both Base Kits, and if anything, that just reinforces my view that it isn't the right approach.

[mikademus]

Since I use full-size, 65%, HHKB and Alice layous in my rotation (I try to keep reasonably fast and precise on most relevant QWERTY layouts) an all-inclusive Grand Base Set that includes support for my various options is my absolute preference. I am fully aware that most people are much more constrained in their layout preference, but my point is that I am at least one data point for that the convenience of covering most (all) layouts in one Grand Set is a convenience well worth the additional tens of dollars in price.