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Offline taswyn

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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 25 December 2010, 11:00:27 »
I'm still really tempted, but want to see how these do for now since there are enough for an order, since I still don't have something for them to go into. I wouldn't even hesitate about something lighter than browns for the first ~2.5mm of key travel, then increasing quickly. Smooth and light up to and past actuation, then snappy before bottoming out. Probably not easily or (reasonably) cheaply possible, though. So I'll wait and see what the next order is, I think. Even just a little lighter would be fun to play with, and it sounded like that at least may have enough interest for another order. A custom key tool sounds great too ^^

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« Reply #101 on: Sun, 02 January 2011, 00:19:47 »
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« Reply #102 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 13:41:00 »
UPDATE 2011

There might be some delays with the production... and possibly a price increase. My sample springs finally all arrived and we need a slight change in material. Also we have by now exceeded the original planned amount of orders, so I'll have to order another "pack" of at least 2500 additional springs to satisfy the demand.

Would you people still be cool with this if the price per set goes up to something around $17~20 instead of the initial $15?

Else I will have to see what else I can think of or if I can talk them into producing a smaller "pack" to satisfy the new higher demand. I am still discussing material options with the company and so far nothing is final, but it looks as the price might slightly increase.

I apologize for the slightly chaotic outcome on these, but on a totally custom product things like this seem to happen. Sorry!

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« Reply #103 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 13:48:33 »
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Would you people still be cool with this if the price per set goes up to something around $17~20 instead of the initial $15?


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« Reply #104 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 13:54:52 »
The price shouldn't be a problem.  I too am curious what the issues are with the material...

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« Reply #105 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 13:58:24 »
The material is loud. It makes a disgusting squeeking sound when depressed. Hell in keyswitches.

Edit: I should clarify that "loud" is relative. Its not really LOUD loud, but its more noticeable so than on regular springs. I want this to be as good as it gets, so I will not accept it in this state.

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« Reply #106 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 14:30:39 »
new price is ok

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« Reply #107 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 15:11:54 »
My interest stays, and so does my order for 2 sets of springs.
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« Reply #108 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 15:29:21 »
errgh.. I completely missed the original order cut-off but I'd still be interested in 2 sets of these, even at the new price.

Let me know if it's too late to get in on this.
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« Reply #109 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 16:37:52 »
price increase ok with me.
Did you ask them about making the mod tool?
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« Reply #110 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 16:45:56 »
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price increase ok with me.
Did you ask them about making the mod tool?


The mod tool will be another company (wire bending), which is luckily just down the road. I'm trying to make a prototype that doesn't look like a 5 year old kid made it, so I can show it to them. The idea is basically something like a fork... but spaced out just enough to open a Cherry switch.

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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 18:37:50 »
In regard to the switch opening tool, I found a hook-tweezer which is of suitable size but they have rather sharp edges so it needs to be filed/emery rubbed smooth to be usable else it will scratch the plastic.
It is a Tick remover, rubbish for removing Ticks as they need to be twisted off, but maybe quite good for opening up Cherry switches. A production model of the "Fork of Death". Just google Lifesystem Tick Remover.


NB: I do not have any Ticks.

Edit: Disregard what I just posted, the metal quality is far too soft, maybe better to purchase the $2.90 (delivered) Surgical Precision Angled Metal Tweezers from DealExtreme.
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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 19:06:16 »
Price increase is fine with me! Can't wait to try them out. Also, how much will the opening tool be?

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« Reply #113 on: Tue, 04 January 2011, 03:19:35 »
I'm ok to wait (and pay) for the best springs as well. Thanks for all the effort you're going to sixty.

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« Reply #114 on: Tue, 04 January 2011, 11:50:36 »
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Price increase is fine with me! Can't wait to try them out. Also, how much will the opening tool be?


Unknown yet, I have yet to visit that company to find out about the tool. The one J888www posted actually looks promising, lol.

For those that got confused earlier: The spring here is based on the blue/brown springs, but its not entirely identical. So its not a clone. Its supposed to be a bit smoother overall. Its hard to explain, but the first prototypes I had felt (and sounded...) great. I don't know what happened with the recent one or why it squeeks.

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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 04 January 2011, 13:33:08 »
would purchasing the opening tool be a separate group buy completely? I would be interested in that, but not the springs (not sure if this has been answered in the thread)
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« Reply #116 on: Tue, 04 January 2011, 14:03:40 »
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would purchasing the opening tool be a separate group buy completely? I would be interested in that, but not the springs (not sure if this has been answered in the thread)


Yes, the tool will be a separate buy and I will open a thread once there is more information on this.

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« Reply #117 on: Thu, 06 January 2011, 18:51:48 »
[strike]I'm still in for two sets of springs as long as the price does not increase again.[/strike]

EDIT: Actually got to reduce it to one set...I'm selling the other board I was going to use the second set in.
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« Reply #118 on: Thu, 06 January 2011, 23:10:34 »
Is the noise in the new batch of springs something that will be looked at, or is that how it's going to be for the MO parts?  I'm a bit concerned about ending up with a squeaky keyboard...

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« Reply #119 on: Sun, 09 January 2011, 05:49:44 »
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Is the noise in the new batch of springs something that will be looked at, or is that how it's going to be for the MO parts?  I'm a bit concerned about ending up with a squeaky keyboard...


The reason the MO is currently suffering delays is that I am working on resolving the noise issue. I received a sample before the actual production and notice the annoying sound.

So nope, once everything is settled you will not have any extra noise nor squeaky parts :)

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« Reply #120 on: Thu, 13 January 2011, 13:51:40 »
Reduce me to just one set please. Thanks.
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« Reply #121 on: Fri, 14 January 2011, 10:29:24 »
Do we have a new estimate on when the MO will be ready?
Is it still last week of Jan?
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« Reply #122 on: Wed, 19 January 2011, 09:05:30 »
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.......once everything is settled you will not have any extra noise nor squeaky parts :)

When you are happy with the final result of the product, I would like to place an order for 1-Set.

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Offline bifi85

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« Reply #123 on: Sat, 22 January 2011, 14:08:47 »
I think i will buy 1 set, but i am looking for the result before.

Can i switch the spring on a steelseries 6Gv2 without desoldering the switches?

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« Reply #124 on: Sat, 22 January 2011, 17:09:22 »
Desoldering the switches is not a big deal.
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« Reply #125 on: Sun, 23 January 2011, 07:40:13 »
And when i resolder the switches, they are close as before? Take i any bad consequence about desoldering?

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« Reply #126 on: Sun, 23 January 2011, 08:00:35 »
There are more opportunities to screw up with a soldering iron than without one ...
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« Reply #127 on: Sun, 23 January 2011, 08:46:33 »
Please note that this is currently on hold. I do not know when the springs will be ready for actual production. Once the time comes I will PM everyone on the list to confirm their order again. Price may go up or down a bit depending on how many people actually still will buy at that point of time.

Again, I apologize for this chaotic mass order. Thanks for your patience.

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« Reply #128 on: Sun, 23 January 2011, 09:32:42 »
Fine
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« Reply #129 on: Sun, 23 January 2011, 23:06:00 »
An idea would be to take an Xray of the key when pressed at your local dentist. So you can see if the spring works correctly inside and maybe find out where the noise comes from. Those pictures would be cool.

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« Reply #130 on: Sun, 23 January 2011, 23:08:07 »
What ever happened to that dentist we had around here for a while...
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« Reply #131 on: Mon, 24 January 2011, 10:34:09 »
Is the spring squeaking outside the switch also or only when its in the switch?

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« Reply #132 on: Mon, 24 January 2011, 10:37:20 »
outside too. its a material error and the spring guys confirmed this pretty much. basically it sounds just like those springs you would find in a ballpen.

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« Reply #133 on: Mon, 24 January 2011, 11:16:07 »
So right now they are waiting to get new material to bend them again and you are waiting for the new prototypes? Any ETA from their side?

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« Reply #134 on: Mon, 24 January 2011, 11:31:44 »
They just started production again this week. They had been out of business since Christmas till now. I'll update the thread with a new ETA as soon as I hear anything. And yep, waiting for a new sample to see if it meets my standards now.

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« Reply #135 on: Mon, 24 January 2011, 11:42:31 »
K thanks for the heads up. Can you please update the order list, I am so afraid to be left out. For me "Squeeky" was great coincidence...

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« Reply #136 on: Mon, 24 January 2011, 14:43:50 »
Sixty place me down for 1 set of springs + 1 tool to open the switch.

I just recently ordered a cherry mx black g80-1295 HAU.

If i don't like the blacks, i want to ghetto red mod it with your springs.


It seems like an easily reversible process, and something even i could do assuming the method will be something like this video.

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:12790


But you mentioned 2 pronged, so i am guessing easier than that ?
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« Reply #137 on: Sat, 29 January 2011, 12:04:47 »
Any news?

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« Reply #138 on: Sun, 30 January 2011, 10:46:26 »
No news yet from their part. I am currently very busy with other keyboard related projects, so I am slacking a bit too. I'll be nudging them sometime this week if I don't hear from them until then.

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« Reply #139 on: Mon, 31 January 2011, 16:05:39 »
No problem. Take your time.

I'm also still waiting on my keyboard to arrive.
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« Reply #140 on: Sun, 06 February 2011, 06:20:15 »
Just sending out my weekly probe, any answer from them?

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« Reply #141 on: Sun, 20 February 2011, 14:30:57 »
Still nothing? would be so cool to get these..

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« Reply #142 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 01:54:38 »
Any news sixty? Is this great idea of yours dead?

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« Reply #143 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 02:43:22 »
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Any news sixty? Is this great idea of yours dead?


You can find sixty mostly on deskthority these days. I think this group buy is basically dead, but you could always ask sixty.
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« Reply #144 on: Thu, 17 March 2011, 20:25:18 »
Only problem now is that red switches are becoming more available, so the GB seems less useful now.
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« Reply #145 on: Thu, 17 March 2011, 20:30:21 »
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Like I have posted multiple times if the design goal was a slightly stiffer Red Cherry I'd be interested.  But a supposedly "smoother" blue/brown cherry seemed a bit nebulous.


I agree on that. 65g springs would be just about perfect.
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« Reply #146 on: Wed, 22 June 2011, 09:09:44 »
This spring still has a use - I believe it would be right at home in a variable weighted Ergo Clear mod.

I'll PM Sixty and see if I can do anything with the information he's nabbed.

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« Reply #147 on: Wed, 22 June 2011, 09:59:56 »
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I think the design goal should be a spring lighter than a Blue/Brown/Red spring.  A "smoother" spring seems a bit touchy feely for me.


Agreed, but how light would you want to go? Lots of people complain about ;;;;;;;;;;;;;; and aaaaaaaaaaa with the 35g switches in their topres.

Having said that, I think that everybody would go mental over some 35g (if put in browns or reds) springs. Would make blues and ergo clear lites 40g each which would be interesting.
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« Reply #148 on: Fri, 24 June 2011, 07:46:00 »
I'm definitely interested. Post back here when you get the details.

I did a quick google and there appears to be a number of different sources online. It may be easier to send samples of MX brown springs to some of these companies and get estimates for cloning the spring, rather than designing a new one.

Also, I think that it's likely that someone already has a large stock of springs of suitable specifications already. The springs seem to be a standard size - it's just a matter of finding the right supplier.

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« Reply #149 on: Fri, 24 June 2011, 07:50:44 »
If the spring is to be lighter, I don't think it should be lighter by much. It is possible to cut down MX brown springs to make them lighter. The problem is that an expensive keyboard needs to be sacrificed to do this.