Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: Vote for Kits & Quantities!

[7bit]

It seems Signature Platics can only sort keys into seperate bags, as seen on the "Korean Sorting Party". Basically means they cant sort sets, only single keys.

This is how iMav will get them ...

I thought that the keys came that way as standard. Collation (if it is offered as an extra), would surely mean sorting the keys into sets for us?

I'm pretty sure it will cost something more. I can ask, but I'm afraid it will be insane.

[7bit]

Yes that's what I thought, but then I got confused at this (from the main page):
"Prices are maximum prices, excluding shipping.
These are only valid, if at least as many sets
are produced as stated in the list.
 You don't need to order a Standard kit along
your local/alternate-layout kit. Each kit will sell separately."

Sorry for the confusion! It just means that the Standard kit is not mandatory. If you have a set from Round 1 and just want the UK or Colemak keys, then you can have them without taking another Standard kit.

[bugfix]

This is how iMav will get them ...

Wait, they'll be shipped to iMav?

[7bit]

Wait, they'll be shipped to iMav?

Yes, the current plan is that iMav does the collation job and shipping.

[Culinia]

Sorry for the confusion! It just means that the Standard kit is not mandatory. If you have a set from Round 1 and just want the UK or Colemak keys, then you can have them without taking another Standard kit.

Ahh I see -- that makes sense now lol thanks!

[squarebox]

The korean have gotten the red panic key!!!

[bugfix]

Yes, the current plan is that iMav does the collation job and shipping.

And again I learned something.

[Twitchy]

Yes, the current plan is that iMav does the collation job and shipping.

We might have to buy him a large drink.

[morcles]

A bit late maybe, but I noticed there's no Backspace (Caps-Lock position) in the Colemak kit.
Any chance of getting that one in?
Thanks.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

A bit late maybe, but I noticed there's no Backspace (Caps-Lock position) in the Colemak kit.
Any chance of getting that one in?
Thanks.

I 2nd this too.

Leaving it as capslock or pulling the key out kinda looks ugly.

[verbel]

It looks like the black with orange text ones were not to popular. Oh well I am excited about it. I am ready to pay as soon as we start.

[Soarer]

I looks like the black with orange text ones were not to popular. Oh well I am excited about it. I am ready to pay as soon as we start.

There were a late addition, I guess most people had already allocated their budget :-)

I think that it would make a good theme for a future round - black keys with coloured legends. Subtle, but sweet.

[morcles]

Too bad ... look at iMav's "geekhack key group buy - Jan 2011" here
Orange on black is sweet indeed !

You could get yourself an entire keyboard with keycaps like those!
Order
BLACK 1
BLACKALNUM 1
BLACKMOD 1

[verbel]

ya thats what I placed my pre-order for. Should look pretty awsome. I also want the orange kit as I think it will go well with it.

[Culinia]

Nope!

I will include nubbed and un-nubbed F and J keys to standard and every blank kit.

Does the colemak version contain both the 'nubbed' T and N keys (like F and J on q)?

[morcles]

Yes, it looks like it has the nubbed T and N (but not the unnubbed ones).
See

[Culinia]

Yes, it looks like it has the nubbed T and N (but not the unnubbed ones).

Cool - thanks (did not want unnubbed anyway, just wondering)

[7bit]

Yes, it looks like it has the nubbed T and N (but not the unnubbed ones).
See
[QUOTING IMAGES IS BAD!]

Cool - thanks (did not want unnubbed anyway, just wondering)

Both versions (nubbed and un-nubbed) are included.

I just did not update the graphic.

[morcles]

Cool!
Is there a Backspace (Caps-Lock position) included too?

[7bit]

Cool!
Is there a Backspace (Caps-Lock position) included too?

Currently not!

I think, I will ask all the Colemakers, right now!

[7bit]

Could please someone count the number of keys which fit into these Priority Mail Small Flat Rate Boxes?



At least two 116 key-sets (from Round 1) fit into it, with some air left.

[sixty]

I just realized that it would have made much more sense if we included the wide spacebar in the 1.5 mod set. Gonna look pretty lame without a spacebar.

[7bit]

I just realized that it would have made much more sense if we included the wide spacebar in the 1.5 mod set. Gonna look pretty lame without a spacebar.

And which color (BLACK or GREY)?
And which mount-distances (SPACEOLD or SPACEPOS)?

You better get your Priorty Mail Package out, fill it up with key caps and and tell me how many went in.

;-)

[sixty]

And which color (BLACK or GREY)?
And which mount-distances (SPACEOLD or SPACEPOS)?

You better get your Priorty Mail Package out, fill it up with key caps and and tell me how many went in.

;-)

I have no priority mail package. The keys from WhiteRice never arrived here.

[7bit]

I have no priority mail package. The keys from WhiteRice never arrived here.

I thought you got them last week. so you got only those from the Korean group-order.

:-(

I kept my box. Just have to look in the cellar and try myself.

[Culinia]

Currently not!

I think, I will ask all the Colemakers, right now!

What's the general consensus? Or not everyone replied yet? Do let us know when you can

[JelinaNU]

I put in several votes last night. Forgot to post them here for reference.

BLACKBLANK 1
ORANGEBLANK 1
SPACEORANGE 1

[7bit]

What's the general consensus? Or not everyone replied yet? Do let us know when you can

no: 3
want BACK SPACE: 4
no reply: 2

BACK SPACE keys:
un-stepped version: 4
stepped version: 2
undecided: 1

[WaffleIron]

A little question, would it be possible to add in a "@" key on the homerow for us apple users? Either in the Orange kit, standard kit, nordic kit or just as a standa-alone key? No biggie but it would definately be nice to have since it's on my apple keyboard.

[DaemonRaccoon]

Totally down with this; would like to see the Colemak set with a Backspace key instead of Caps lock. PM Sent.

[Broncosoozie]

I sent in my votes to 7bit_vote a few weeks ago, which I assume is the preorder.  Will you be contacting people to get payment when it's time, or should I just go ahead and paypal you some money

I would assume he'll be contacting people with their final price and if they want to still go through with it.  For example I voted for some kits that probably are going to be expensive to produce since only 1 or 2 are going to be made, and I will most likely withdraw that vote since it's just not in the budget.

I originally voted for some orange blanks, but if the whites can be dyed I might just change my vote to those since I can make them any color I want and the white blanks have less votes so it will make them cheaper the more we get.

I assume that 7bit is just getting everything ready and will let us know the final prices so we can change our votes around, then will let us know the prices after that so he can start collecting.

[7bit]

I sent in my votes to 7bit_vote a few weeks ago, which I assume is the preorder.  Will you be contacting people to get payment when it's time, or should I just go ahead and paypal you some money

I would assume he'll be contacting people with their final price and if they want to still go through with it.  ...

Just did not get the script running which makes the 'incvoices'.

I asked someone located in the US to do the money collection.

...
I assume that 7bit is just getting everything ready and will let us know the final prices so we can change our votes around, then will let us know the prices after that so he can start collecting.

Prices are kind of final. Prices will vary a bit if there are fewe or more sets sold than stated in the pricelist.

A little question, would it be possible to add in a "@" key on the homerow for us apple users? Either in the Orange kit, standard kit, nordic kit or just as a standa-alone key? No biggie but it would definately be nice to have since it's on my apple keyboard.

Do you mean row 3 (ASDFG-row)? I will put it into the Numeric kit.

[7bit]

no: 3
want BACK SPACE: 4
no reply: 2

BACK SPACE keys:
un-stepped version: 5
stepped version: 2

I will add a COLEMAKBACKSPACE kit which will contain BACK SPACE for the stepped and un-stepped version.

Price will be $5 for around 6 sets or $4 for around 12.

[Culinia]

(Warning: me trying to be sneaky lol - don't worry I won't be offended if everyone is against this proposition)

Dear Colemak guys/people that could have theoretically want to swap the backspace key into the caps lock

Does anyone on colemak miss the caps lock? What do you feel like if you remapped the backspace key into the caps lock key?

I have done this and wanted to ask you: How would you feel about if 7bit includes a Capslock key in the upper right backspace row key in the COLEMAKBACKSPACE kit?

[lowpoly]

Yes, but your Mini-Guru is just a normal Cherry keyboard without the function row, cursor-keys and num pad. Not really a good alternative to the HHKB.

Just my ¥2.

It's not just the layout. But I put it up for discussion:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:4917&do=comments&page=53 (#784)

[Soarer]

Am I really the only person to want any SPACENEW*?! (which fits modern MX-1800 and similar)
Whereas 12 of SPACEPOS* have been voted for. (which fits older MX-1800 without Win keys and similar, I think)

I switched my votes from SPACEPOSGREY when I realised I was voting for the wrong one...

So...

Check your space bars!!

And order extras, in case you want to move your caps to another keyboard in the future! :-)

[7bit]

Am I really the only person to want any SPACENEW*?! (which fits modern MX-1800 and similar)
Whereas 12 of SPACEPOS* have been voted for. (which fits older MX-1800 without Win keys and similar, I think)

I switched my votes from SPACEPOSGREY when I realised I was voting for the wrong one...

So...

Check your space bars!!

And order extras, in case you want to move your caps to another keyboard in the future! :-)

(The space bar for modern Cherry/Ducky/Filco is not included in the graphic)

[JBert]

I guess this was asked before, but... are the unstepped Control and Caps Lock keys Cherry G8x-3000 compatible?

If not, a stepped variant could do, as long as the "Control" fits. I've still got a Caps lock key from round 1.

[7bit]

I guess this was asked before, but... are the unstepped Control and Caps Lock keys Cherry G8x-3000 compatible?

If not, a stepped variant could do, as long as the "Control" fits. I've still got a Caps lock key from round 1.

The stepped versions fit all Cherry except for very rare ones (G80-8200).
The un-stepped version is for Filco/Ducky etc.

The main difference is the keymount, which if off-center at the stepped version which makes both incompatible with the other keyboards.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

(Warning: me trying to be sneaky lol - don't worry I won't be offended if everyone is against this proposition)

Dear Colemak guys/people that could have theoretically want to swap the backspace key into the caps lock

Does anyone on colemak miss the caps lock? What do you feel like if you remapped the backspace key into the caps lock key?

I have done this and wanted to ask you: How would you feel about if 7bit includes a Capslock key in the upper right backspace row key in the COLEMAKBACKSPACE kit?

I'm with Culina on this one. To me capslock is kinda important. I'm a bit flabbergasted why colemak remove it for another backspace :/

Holding down shift while typing on alphabets for caps especially when there are many isn't fun, hence why i use capslock for those cases.

Sign me up for that.


So i'm guessing you mean

1. 7bits colemak
2. left backspace to replace the capslock
3. capslock to replace the right backspace


PS: my interest depends on how exactly do you remap the right backspace into capslock ? For a Ducky 9008 in particular :X

[sixty]

Which keyboard is the SPACEPOS supposed to be for...?
I don't see a single keyboard in my collection where that would fit.

Edit: Just checked the OP. Its suppozed to be for the MX1800 - This can't be the case. MX1800 without windows keys is 100% identical to the normal Cherry old Spacebars (g80-3000/1000). I don't know what type of spacebar you are making there with SPACEPOS, but it's not gonna fit a 1800 - with or without windows keys.

[steeef]

I'm with Culina on this one. To me capslock is kinda important. I'm a bit flabbergasted why colemak remove it for another backspace :/

Sign me up for that.


So i'm guessing you mean

1. 7bits colemak
2. left backspace to replace the capslock
3. capslock to replace the right backspace


PS: my interest depends on how exactly do you remap the right backspace into capslock ? For a Ducky 9008 in particular :X

Off-topic, but if you're concerned enough about key-placement to use Colemak, why is moving Backspace such a big deal? It's easier to reach when it's at the Caps Lock key.

You can use KeyTweak (or something similar) in Windows to permanently remap almost any key.

[Ekaros]

Gamer kits (Orange, Red, Blue on White, White on Blue, Darkblue)

    * W, A, S, D, E, F, R, G
    * R for Colemak (ASDFG-row)
    * maybe additional Dvorak keys for normal WASD-position,
      if there is some demand in that set (see Round 3 main-poll).
    * 4 arrows (cursor keys)
    * FORWARD (FORWRD, or FORTH, or FORW), BACK, LEFT, RIGHT (cursor keys)
    * FIRE and 'arrow up' for POS or Terminal-boards (cursor cross)
    * ESCAPE, GEEK HACK, PANIC, ANY KEY, 'WASD with arrows'

BTW, has it beed decided which is the wording for FORWARD? I quite like FORTH, but it's up to 7bit anyway... I don't realy care that much...

[DaemonRaccoon]

Dear Colemak guys/people that could have theoretically want to swap the backspace key into the caps lock

Does anyone on colemak miss the caps lock? What do you feel like if you remapped the backspace key into the caps lock key?

I have done this and wanted to ask you: How would you feel about if 7bit includes a Capslock key in the upper right backspace row key in the COLEMAKBACKSPACE kit?

So a total swap of Caps and Backspace? Sounds like what I do with my config anyway, so works for me (at least when I'm in X.org). :clap2:

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

@steeef

Hm key tweak i will look into it, thank you very much :}

[Culinia]

Off-topic, but if you're concerned enough about key-placement to use Colemak, why is moving Backspace such a big deal? It's easier to reach when it's at the Caps Lock key.

The 'big deal' is that in colemak the official layout is that there is no caps lock - it's been replaced by another backspace.

You can use KeyTweak (or something similar) in Windows to permanently remap almost any key.

That is true, but there is (imo) a better way (if you don't use qwerty, probably more hassle that worth if you do). This is the way I have used and it works. However, I could send you the set up file but I have (again lol) customized it to my keyboard (ISO/United Kingdom symbols) so I could make another one, but you will have to test it because I don't have an ANSI keyboard. I am not sure with Linux, but I could snoop around on the forums I guess if anyone wants to know.

I'm with Culina on this one.

Yay :happy:

So a total swap of Caps and Backspace? Sounds like what I do with my config anyway, so works for me (at least when I'm in X.org). :clap2:

Yes exactly :happy: or another way to put it - A direct swap of the Caps Lock key and the Backspace key.

The reason why I posted it here was because it is not only limited to colemak for example, QWERTY/any other layout anyone could customized their keyboard for this swap!

[7bit]

BTW, has it beed decided which is the wording for FORWARD? I quite like FORTH, but it's up to 7bit anyway... I don't realy care that much...

FORWARD is too long.

I have FORWRD and FORW included. I think it would be not too harmful to have FORTH as well.

Which keyboard is the SPACEPOS supposed to be for...?
I don't see a single keyboard in my collection where that would fit.

Edit: Just checked the OP. Its suppozed to be for the MX1800 - This can't be the case. MX1800 without windows keys is 100% identical to the normal Cherry old Spacebars (g80-3000/1000). I don't know what type of spacebar you are making there with SPACEPOS, but it's not gonna fit a 1800 - with or without windows keys.

I got these measures from clickclack.

I only own keyboards which need SPACEOLD, or the default space bar.

[Half-Saint]

Need to check my Cherry G80-3000 w/ Win keys to see which space is needed..

BTW, no Cherry logo key?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Cherry.svg

[7bit]

Need to check my Cherry G80-3000 w/ Win keys to see which space is needed..

BTW, no Cherry logo key?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Cherry.svg

   Diese Datei stellt ein Logo oder ein ähnliches Objekt dar. Da es dem Marken- oder Namensrecht unterliegt, müssen bei der Weiterverwendung diese Schutzrechte beachtet werden.

Auch in der Wikipedia unterliegt die Verwendung diesen Einschränkungen. Die Datei darf ausschließlich zu enzyklopädischen Zwecken und in mit dem Logo im Zusammenhang stehenden Artikeln verwendet werden.

^^^ It says: [SIZE=8]NO![/SIZE]

But, feel free to ask Cherry if we could use the logo.

[winniez]

Anybody knows do the alternative layout kits have nubbed keys? In a Dvorak's case U and H.