How to not bottom out?

[hfcobra]

How do i do this?  I figured that it was no big deal but lately i am looking for any kind of increase in productivity due to college papers.   I actually like the sound the keyboard makes when i bottom out, but i still would rather type faster.

[msiegel]

if you're typing on alps, rubber domes, or ibm model f, bottoming out is the way to go

[hfcobra]

lol, but i will be typing on cherrys  

[msiegel]

i've used alps and bs for over 20 years... then about 3 months ago i switched to brown cherries.

i'm just now starting to type without bottoming out.

i have to *not* think about it, and i still bottom out softly most of the time. i miss the tactile and aural feedback of the other switches :-/

[hfcobra]

have you tried blues?   they are just the bee's knees  

[msiegel]

that's what i've heard

when i was getting ready to buy, elitekeyboards ran out of the blue tenkeyless!

i think not bottoming out takes mindless practice, sort of relax and let your fingers gradually figure out how easily to press the keys.

[Brian8bit]

Cherry blues are my favourite switch. However at the minute I'm using Alps in the Matias Tactile Pro 3. I really like the Alps switch. Just not the rest of the keyboard. Considering the board weighs more than my Cherry blue Filco, it's much more flimsy. I swear if I actually tried hard enough I could grab both ends, twist and the enclosure would crack.

[hfcobra]

that's what i've heard

when i was getting ready to buy, elitekeyboards ran out of the blue tenkeyless!

i think not bottoming out takes mindless practice, sort of relax and let your fingers gradually figure out how easily to press the keys.

that makes sense, i was sort of bottoming out less after a month with my U9BL, but now i have sold it because i though EK was getting the Leopolds in a week or two, now it seems that they are coming at the end of February  

anyways, what are ALPS like?    When you get blues i bet you will like them, the bump is very noticeable and they require 5g more force than browns, but i am sure you knew that already     I want to try browns, i dont think i will like the feel of linear switches, so i am just going to ignore blacks and reds completely     hopefully someday i can afford a Topre    btw, how do you pronounce that?  i always said it like "toe-prey" in my head but i dont know for sure.

[Tony]

I am using a brown switch keyboard and I find it excellent.



I love that I do not have to bottom out, but it took a day or two to adjust your hands, your keyboard angles and your table to do so. I kept experimenting until I got it right.

Another thing that I like brown switches is that now I am less tired while typing since I use less force to tap the keys.

On the other hands, I have made more mistakes by repeating keys than with buckling spring or membrane keyboards.

[hfcobra]

I am using a brown switch keyboard and I find it excellent.

I love that I do not have to bottom out, but it took a day or two to adjust your hands, your keyboard angles and your table to do so. I kept experimenting until I got it right.

Another thing that I like brown switches is that now I am less tired while typing since I use less force to tap the keys.

On the other hands, I have made more mistakes by repeating keys than with buckling spring or membrane keyboards.

that should not happen unless you are doing it.  have you checked your keybaord for chattering?  ( i think that is what it is called )

[RoboKrikit]

I find that I tend to avoid bottoming out if there is a squeaky spring and guests are sleeping over.

[bugfix]

What was the problem with bottoming out again?

[CeeSA]

i dont like the noise of bottoming out.

[Johannes]

What about getting a Topre? Note that I've never tried one, just Browns, though I intend to. From what I've gathered, Topres are more tactile and less noisy. I'm honestly not happy with the Browns, I end up typing slow and gently or using ear plugs. When I type at my fastest, Browns are quite noisy even though I don't bottom out much, because of the keycap rattle and "top-out" noise. Blues are obviously out of the question if you want quiet.

Also, what is the the rationalization for making the tactility of the Browns so subtle, really? Clearly you're not supposed to bottom out (at least on plate mounted boards). Is it just a silly design?

[keyboardlover]

Usually there are some other interesting noises too. Bottoming out FTW!

[keyb_gr]

Also, what is the the rationalization for making the tactility of the Browns so subtle, really? Clearly you're not supposed to bottom out (at least on plate mounted boards). Is it just a silly design?

Keep in mind that browns were intended as an "ergo" switch, so they wanted to keep 'em nice and light.

If you want a higher level of tactility in a non-clicky switch, try clears.

[bugfix]

Are there any other reasons why you shouldn't bottom out except for the noise?

Because I always press the keys all the way down and I've never heard of someone not doing it.

[RiGS]

It is easier on your fingers especially when using tougher springs, and by riding the actuation point you can be faster while gaming.
Also you can type silently at night just like on a rubber dome keyboard.

[hfcobra]

It is easier on your fingers especially when using tougher springs, and by riding the actuation point you can be faster while gaming.
Also you can type silently at night just like on a rubber dome keyboard.

i have a lot of practice left for me to go before i am able to not bottom out at all lol

[Tony]

Not bottoming out makes you type faster, since you use less time to press each key. And your hands are less tired when touch-typing for a long time.

[Johannes]

And the noise of bottoming out on a Filco is unbearable.

Keep in mind that browns were intended as an "ergo" switch, so they wanted to keep 'em nice and light.

If you want a higher level of tactility in a non-clicky switch, try clears.

Ah, I shouldn't have gone for Browns then.. How are Clears compared to Browns in terms of noise? (keycap rattle, "top-out")

[jackerran]

What about on a hhkb? I've heard that you can't avoid bottoming out those, but the I've also heard the opposite. I've been trying to learn to not bottom out on it for a month. But when I type on it I feel like I'm either not pressing hard enough or I press to hard and bottom out.

[keyboardlover]

Ah, I shouldn't have gone for Browns then.. How are Clears compared to Browns in terms of noise? (keycap rattle, "top-out")

Filco switches are plate mounted which is why bottoming out is noisy. PCB mounted is much quieter, like the cherry boards in my Sig.

[Johannes]

Bottoming out isn't the only noise though, I've learned not to bottom out and there is still a lot of rattle and clacks when I type non-gently (eg. letting go of the keycaps fast). Is that caused by the keycap design?

[keyb_gr]

There'll always be some noise with a hard stop (up or down), the question merely is how it propagates. Thinner keycaps will generally give off more high-frequency noises, and of course a metal plate is about the best noise amplifier imaginable. I've used a G80 with (PCB-mounted) clears where noise was a concern, and that certainly wasn't unduly noisy.

Getting rid of top-out noise would essentially mean reducing initial force, and that in turn would compromise feel.

[Findecanor]

If you type on keys that have any tactility, avoiding to bottom out is something that comes naturally to you after you have used it for a few weeks.
I still bottom out on Cherry blues and browns every now and then, but not every key all the time.

[Keymonger]

I've been using my Cherry blues board for three days now. Mostly, I don't bottom out. However, I'm learning a new layout, so I'm being careful about hitting the right keys.

[hfcobra]

If you type on keys that have any tactility, avoiding to bottom out is something that comes naturally to you after you have used it for a few weeks.
I still bottom out on Cherry blues and browns every now and then, but not every key all the time.

your sig is from Knights of the Old Republic, isnt it?  the code of the Sith    

what a great game     Although i cannot remember if it is from the first or second.....i want to say the first though.

[Nadger]

How not to bottom out?

Step 1 - acquire metal keycaps
Step 2 - wire electric fence generator to metal plate
Step 3 - learn not to bottom out.

[hfcobra]

How not to bottom out?

Step 1 - acquire metal keycaps
Step 2 - wire electric fence generator to metal plate
Step 3 - learn not to bottom out.

sounds like a stewie griffin method of teaching



couldnt find a video of it, but i think someone here knows what i mean