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Offline Half-Saint

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« on: Thu, 03 February 2011, 06:26:36 »
I'm taking pre-orders for red IBM geekhack keys w/ black text. The cost is $5 per key plus shipping.

I will be ordering 50 keys from Unicomp, if there is enough interest.

Do not PM me at this time. Reply within this thread instead.

Cheers,
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1. MissileMike (5)
2. iMav (5)
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7. Ekaros (2)
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9. zaerst (1)
10. slam (3)
11. verbel (1)
12. xwhatsit (1)
13. komar007 (1)
14. Canuck21 (1)
15. kidchunks (1)
16. Oh mike! (1)
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Price: first key $9 shipped, additional keys +$5 each.

Send money via paypal (as a gift if at all possible) to bojan.kotur [at] gmail.com . In the subject, put IBM GH key - March - GH username. In the body of the message, please include number of keys, your mailing address, and your geekhack username.

EU members can choose SEPA payment. PM me for details.
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Offline MissileMike

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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 03 February 2011, 10:05:14 »
In for 5
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Offline Ascaii

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 03 February 2011, 10:18:29 »
Quote from: Half-Saint;289226
I'm taking pre-orders for lavender IBM geekhack keys w/ black text. The cost is $5 per key plus shipping.

I will be ordering 50 keys from Unicomp, if there is enough interest.

Do not PM me at this time. Reply within this thread instead.

Cheers,
SainT


im unsure what to expect when you say lavender...any chance we could have a photoshopped key to see the approximate look?
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you start with one, and then you wanna catch em all."

Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 03 February 2011, 10:52:22 »
I don't have time for Photoshop right now but you can imagine, if you look at this thread:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=9889
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Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 04 February 2011, 01:41:24 »
Of course! Unicomp orange looks a bit ugly to me (looks better in skcheng's photos).

What do you say about Baby Blue (light blue)?
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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 04 February 2011, 04:17:29 »
I'm in for 5.  Has unicomp confirmed they can/will do this?

Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 04 February 2011, 04:46:17 »
Yep, here's the reply I got:
"We can do the Geek Hack on one button but it would be costly. 1 button would be $5.00."

Just in case they can't actually do an all caps text would that be a big problem?

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Offline kill will

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 04 February 2011, 21:33:32 »
i would buy 5 of them if they were red with black text.  lavender.  gross.
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 05 February 2011, 00:52:27 »
Will only buy if they get print right.

Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 05 February 2011, 03:02:18 »
I wrote Chuck to confirm 100% that they can do it in all caps, same layout as the existing GH keys. I'm still waiting for the answer. These could be both 1-piece or 2-piece, up to us.

So, let's make them red for starters and then we can follow up with other colors.

Cheers
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 05 February 2011, 05:55:54 »
If they are red ill be in for one.
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Offline lootbag

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 05 February 2011, 06:35:17 »
I have some colored blank and clear keys from Fentek-Ind already.
It would be cool to get a GEEKHACK key for my Model M though!
Let's hope Unicomp can do the lettering.

Offline steeef

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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 05 February 2011, 12:34:31 »
I'm in for at least one if it's red, possibly two.
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Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 09 February 2011, 01:51:49 »
Still no word from Chuck. I'm sending another e-mail.
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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 09 February 2011, 13:15:03 »
I'm in for four(4) of them, as long as we're still talking about red/black.  I'm a bit new here (first post, but been lurking for a bit), how do I go about paying for this?  from OP, Unicomp directly, or some other arcane system of beads & shells involving the wind?

Offline lootbag

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 09 February 2011, 13:38:20 »
They picked up my phone call on Monday, said they would call me back about a small order, never did.

Didn't pick up the phone today or answer emails.

Typical.

Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 09 February 2011, 18:41:59 »
Hmm, dark red on picture or the lighter?

Anyway I'm in for red!
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
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Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 10 February 2011, 01:34:07 »
As soon as I get confirmation from Unicomp, I'll let you guys know so you can start sending payment directly to me. I'll handle it from there.

SainT
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Offline Heliophobic

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 12 February 2011, 06:07:21 »
I would be interested also, if there's still room in the order.
Black keyboards are so 2005.

Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 15 February 2011, 14:48:38 »
OK, just talked to Chuck on the phone and they can do the custom print. I'll order the buttons shortly.

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 16 February 2011, 05:01:03 »
Chuck seems like a great guy actually :)
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Offline zaerst

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 17 February 2011, 00:17:46 »
I'd like one please. Let me know if im too late.

Offline iMav

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 17 February 2011, 00:34:58 »
I have two of the white on blue GH keys left (Cherry MX).  First two members to PM me can buy one each.  Then I'm totally out for this month.

Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 18 February 2011, 10:43:32 »
Order has been placed for 50 GH keys. As soon as I get them, I'll start collecting orders :)
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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 18 February 2011, 19:31:16 »
i wish chuck printed white on colors.  even if it wore off after awhile.  

a black keyboard with white on red keys would seem like it would look good.
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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 19 February 2011, 11:20:48 »
Quote from: kishy;297436
It still has not been clarified exactly what colours there are, and in what way the orange keys are inferior to the way SKCheng's photos show them.


On the contrary.. in post #15 it was stated that I will be ordering red keys (black text). This is now a done deal.

If this goes well, I don't see why we couldn't order orange, blue or whatever :)

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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 20 February 2011, 01:46:38 »
Count me in for at least 3

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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 01:51:26 »
No worries. I'm pretty confident that Unicomp will pull this off nicely.
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Offline verbel

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 04:28:44 »
I would like one as well if possible when you get them if they are not all spoken for.

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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 15:15:42 »
I'd like one, I think -- just one question. I type on a 122-key Unicomp with two-piece caps. Is one single-piece cap going to: a) look different, and/or b) feel any different?

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Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 02:03:00 »
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I'd like one, I think -- just one question. I type on a 122-key Unicomp with two-piece caps. Is one single-piece cap going to: a) look different, and/or b) feel any different?


Actually I have no idea whether this is going to be a one-piece or a two-piece cap. It won't look different and shouldn't feel different.

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« Reply #31 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 14:27:25 »
If there are still any slots left, I'm in for one.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:18:33 »
Lavender would be like this, although I think they make a darker one as well



There's a chart somewhere of all the colours they offer and pictures of them.

The coloured keycaps are usually two part.

Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 03:11:43 »
Pre-orders so far:
1. MissileMike (5)
2. iMav (5)
3. kill will (5)
4. Ascaii (1)
5. steeef (1)
6. zirrow (4)
7. Ekaros
8. Heliophobic
9. zaerst (1)
10. slam (3)
11. verbel (1)
12. xwhatsit (1)
13. komar007 (1)
14. Canuck21 (1)
15. kidchunks (1)
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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 10:15:49 »
cool. cool.
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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 18:35:54 »
One for me please.
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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 18:47:12 »
Put the kid down for one! :biggrin:
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Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 15:39:58 »
The package is here but it's currently being held by customs. Damn them! I don't know why Unicomp chose to send this through FedEx...
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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 22:02:52 »
Now is it red or lavender?

Also can you give some quotes on shipping?
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
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Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 00:45:40 »
Red. I will post pictures when I get my hands on the package.

Shipping will be about 2€ (airmail) or 5€ (registered airmail).

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 00:53:20 »
I'm in for 1

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 03:57:55 »
At that place add me in for another if there is spares. 2 in total.
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 05:40:45 »
No worries. List updated.
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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 06:05:12 »
BTW, IBAN/SEPA, bank transfer available? For Slovenia it should be cheaper than other options, inside the system.
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
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Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 06:33:09 »
Of course. Bank transfers within EU are an excellent alternative to PayPal.
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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 06:34:18 »
Quote from: Half-Saint;304810
Of course. Bank transfers within EU are an excellent alternative to PayPal.


Best thing is that they are free ;D Might take 3 days for it though, but not like live depends on these keys...
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 08:39:11 »
I want 4

but not sure what I'm ordering...

Is this what I'm asking for?
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Offline Half-Saint

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 04 March 2011, 11:41:09 »
Short answer - yes. Please wait for the pictures.
IBM Model M (6) - Acer Alcatel 6312-KW - IBM Model M Space Saver - IBM Model M 122-key - Cherry G80-3000 (2) - IBM Model F AT - TG3 BL82A (2)

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Offline Half-Saint

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IBM geekhack key group buy - Mar 2011
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 10 March 2011, 12:11:18 »
well I got the keys but they are a bit funny. They used a bold font and not all kkeys are aligned the same. i will take a pic and publish it here.
IBM Model M (6) - Acer Alcatel 6312-KW - IBM Model M Space Saver - IBM Model M 122-key - Cherry G80-3000 (2) - IBM Model F AT - TG3 BL82A (2)

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Offline Ekaros

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IBM geekhack key group buy - Mar 2011
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 10 March 2011, 12:13:35 »
Quote from: Half-Saint;309231
well I got the keys but they are a bit funny. They used a bold font and not all kkeys are aligned the same. i will take a pic and publish it here.


Hmm, bold font and same angle as IBM could be cool. Not that badly wrong I think...
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
Filco 105-key NKRO MX Browns Sw/Fi-layout|IBM Model M 1394545 Lexmark 102-key Finnish-layout 1994-03-22|Cherry G80-3000LQCDE-2 with MX CLEAR
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