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« Reply #50 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:51:26 »
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RiGS, maybe if you weren't so hostile you would be better at decision making?


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« Reply #51 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 19:55:35 »
First of all poker like any other profession is a hard work. You need to have a lot of self discipline to control your emotions, and your bankroll.

Also you can always spend a part of your income on good purposes like charity, and helping others.

I support local farmers, and organize a co-op on healthy foods.
I also promote healthy nutrition, and teach and emphasize the importance of proper physical exercises to my clients.
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« Reply #52 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 20:00:59 »
Forgive me, but I don't live in a country where all of my expenses can be covered from a salary.
I have to seek alternatives.
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« Reply #53 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 20:07:08 »
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The essential feature of irony is the indirect presentation of a contradiction between an action or expression and the context in which it occurs.

You know what's ironic? When someone claims they need to sell a keyboard to pay their mortgage, then uses the money to buy another keyboard!

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« Reply #54 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 21:50:23 »
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Forgive me, but I don't live in a country where all of my expenses can be covered from a salary.
I have to seek alternatives.

It's up to you to choose what those alternatives are.

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« Reply #55 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:09:05 »
2 lol's here.
1. poker is not a sport... and neither is golf and I'll use the olympic's thing, if it's in the olympic's it's a sport, yes even the one where they throw that stone down and mop away, at least i see those 2 moppers seriously going away at it.
2. come on, I have never online gambled, but even I knew that fulltilt and those places were gonna get busted. There was no way the US would let those places operate while circumventing the law with these wierd, deposit money here and use credits there or whatever they were doing.

Btw we can all blame the Las Vegas and Christian lobbies for this btw. I'm pretty sure vegas lobbied(bribed) as many ppl as possible to get rid of online gambling and Christians choose to but their noses in everything.

I"m all for freedoms, you should be able to play poker and bid whatever you want, and it all should be legal, why do we have mobster bookies? I don't understand, but then I"m not from that world either.

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« Reply #56 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:15:15 »
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It's up to you to choose what those alternatives are.
So? If his skill sets mean that he can be a winning professional poker player, that in itself is not objectionable.

It was, however, objectionable conduct on the part of these online poker firms to attempt to do business with U.S. customers who they knew would be violating U.S. law to do business with them. Why, though, would someone in Denmark be aware of which of the firms doing business there legally were up to such a practice?

Money laundering and other forms of fraudulent practice in banking transactions are illegal everywhere, so there is a possibility that some of the charges being pursued in the U.S. will have validity in foreign legal systems.

However, the fact that international free-trade treaties have limited the ability of the U.S. government to outlaw online gambling at foreign sites directly may well complicate matters.

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« Reply #57 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:15:59 »
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Holy ****, I have like 2 grands at these sites.

How's the proverb go? A something and his money... Something happens to them?
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« Reply #58 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:21:13 »
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How's the proverb go? A something and his money... Something happens to them?


I see what you did there...


...but I don't get why people are so against online gambling? For many people playing poker online is just a way to relax and enjoy themselves. You shouldn't call them fools for that. Maybe playing with money is more fun - I know it sure was for me when I used to play with friends.

I personally don't see what's wrong with it. The US needs to relax it's puritan ideals a little bit and allow people to live their lives. As long as they're not impeding anyone else's ability to enjoy life they should be free to enjoy their own however they see fit.
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« Reply #59 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:23:53 »
It's just a dumb thing to take seriously and spend money on dude. Nothing "puritan" about it. No ones saying people aren't free to do dumb ****. But I'm also free to say that its dumb!

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« Reply #60 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:30:32 »
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It's just a dumb thing to take seriously and spend money on dude. Nothing "puritan" about it. No ones saying people aren't free to do dumb ****. But I'm also free to say that its dumb!


There's a lot of dumb things ppl do and spend money on, but it's still legal, like watching baseball... WTF that's like paying to go to sleep, maybe I'm jaded since I used to be a Mets fan but still, it's legal and it's a dumb way to spend money but it's legal.

Yet gambling online is not, and we have sites like etrade, stock trading boiled down to it's purest form is gambling.

Like I said before 50% of why online gambling is illegal is cuz of those damn Christian lobbiests.

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« Reply #61 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:33:36 »
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...but I don't get why people are so against online gambling? For many people playing poker online is just a way to relax and enjoy themselves. You shouldn't call them fools for that.
Gambling involves money changing hands.

It isn't just the United States; in the EU, Germany also is attempting to ban its citizens from using foreign online gambling sites.

Basically, in many countries, gambling is strictly illegal, with the exception of lotteries, and possibly casinos, which are authorized by the government and heavily taxed, or which raise money for charities. Online gambling would be a way around those laws - in which people could gamble other than in the controlled ways that are legal.

Because money changes hands in gambling, it's important for it to be tightly controlled for a number of reasons.

One is that the people who win are liable to pay taxes on their winnings. An unsupervised gambling facility would not identify players and report their winnings.

Another is that there can be ways for players to give money to each other when gambling. This can be used for money laundering for real criminal enterprises like the drug trade.

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« Reply #62 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:47:31 »
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It's just a dumb thing to take seriously and spend money on dude. Nothing "puritan" about it. No ones saying people aren't free to do dumb ****. But I'm also free to say that its dumb!


You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, that's not what I was referencing. I'm talking about our country. Why can't they allow (monitored) gambling? Why is gambling portrayed as some evil pastime?
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« Reply #63 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 22:54:20 »
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Yet gambling online is not, and we have sites like etrade, stock trading boiled down to it's purest form is gambling.


There's a very fundamental difference between investing and gambling.

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« Reply #64 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 23:02:01 »
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There's a very fundamental difference between investing and gambling.

(Spoken by a proud eTrade user) =)

A good poker player rarely ever 'gambles'...
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« Reply #65 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 23:03:39 »
But...the game of poker...is, in and of itself...a form of gambling...

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« Reply #66 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 23:21:42 »
I have history and info on Full Tilt dating back to it's programming and inception all the way to their move to Dublin when the US made online gambling illegal a few years ago. One of the 5.75% owners has been receiving approximately $450,000 a month as his share since 2008.
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« Reply #67 on: Fri, 15 April 2011, 23:43:02 »
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Why can't they allow (monitored) gambling? Why is gambling portrayed as some evil pastime?


Christian Lobbiests who want to uphold Christian values (while secretly breaking them at home)

and Las Vegas lobbiests who are afraid of online gambling (and rightly so).

Oh and the ppl who think ppl are cheating at onling gambling, like buying 4 seperate and different accounts/ip addresses and logging in to the same game and playing against one or 2 guys.

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« Reply #68 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 01:55:31 »
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You know what's ironic? When someone claims they need to sell a keyboard to pay their mortgage, then uses the money to buy another keyboard!


Check your base assumptions.
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« Reply #69 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 07:02:43 »
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How's the proverb go? A something and his money... Something happens to them?


+1.

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« Reply #70 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 07:08:41 »
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+1.


Is that all you can say with your IQ score of 108?
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« Reply #71 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 07:10:56 »
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Is that all you can say with your IQ score of 108?


I don't actually HAVE an IQ score of 108, Mr. Troll. I was kidding when I said that. I never took that test.

In any case, at least I don't have an IQ score of FAIL like you, as evidenced by THIS THREAD.

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« Reply #72 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 07:19:12 »
P.S., the only game which doesn't have cheerleaders that I still consider to be a game is hockey. Because a. it's f**king badass and b. they have ice girls.

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« Reply #73 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 07:34:31 »
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It's just a dumb thing to take seriously and spend money on dude. Nothing "puritan" about it. No ones saying people aren't free to do dumb ****. But I'm also free to say that its dumb!


It ain't dumb if you make money of it. I don't see the problem there, and neither should you.

Just because you don't like Rigs for one reason or another doesn't mean you can flame every ****ing post you feel entitled too.

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P.S., the only game which doesn't have cheerleaders that I still consider to be a game is hockey. Because a. it's f**king badass and b. they have ice girls.

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Its funny. The US is the land of the coherency: its ok to have guns, but if we see a titty on TV then we get crazy; its also ok to have the biggest casinos in the world all together in the same spot...but not to let peple gamble online. Also, its ok to drive at the age of 16 but somehow you can't drink until later nor have sex.

Yes, please, keep talking about morals and ethics coming from a country that has non.

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« Reply #74 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 07:37:01 »
Are you in line to become the next RiGS or something? Your posts make about as much sense as his.

P.S. Many Americans lose their virginity whilst under the age of 18. Including me =)

ShaZAM!

BTW, while your bashing my country, why don't you tell us where you live?
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« Reply #75 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 08:03:00 »
I would rather become the next RiGS rather than the next you: at least I don't go everywhere trolling every topic you seem fit just because "I'm free" and I can "do as I please". You don't seem to realize the difference between being an ass and being polite, do you?

PS: if you know how to play poker you don't gamble, you invest. You gamble when you throw dice, play the roulette or whatever you can't control at all. In poker you do have some control...and so do you when you invest in a publicly traded market.

Basically its the same: nobody should ever invest in companies without knowing anything about them, and the same could be said about poker.

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« Reply #76 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 08:06:36 »
Yep...you're the next RiGS.

Help! I'm surrounded by Europeans trolls! And they love to gamble!

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« Reply #77 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 08:39:06 »
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P.S., the only game which doesn't have cheerleaders that I still consider to be a game is hockey. Because a. it's f**king badass and b. they have ice girls.


Whut, we do have cheerleaders, atleast I remember seeing them ;D

On the other hand they are in crowd, so it's more customer oriented ;D
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« Reply #78 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 08:50:56 »
Yea, I've heard that in northern Europe the hockey games are more festive than here. Very cool! I've heard that in Germany they even have fireworks before a hockey game starts!

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« Reply #79 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 09:59:44 »
poker is not a crime!
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« Reply #80 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:01:04 »
Can't help but think of this song:


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« Reply #81 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:01:38 »
if bill gates played 5/10 no limit hold em and still destroyed people, would jesus see that as un compassionate, or just very competitive?
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« Reply #82 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:02:46 »
Keyboardlover, I didn't have anything against you until I read this thread, but have come away absolutely disgusted at your judgemental, proselytising bull****.

I don't care if you don't like Rigs personally because of specific beliefs he may hold. I don't care that you don't think poker is a valid way to pass your time.

But,

Who the **** are you to tell anyone else what they can and cannot do, and further, to insult them over their own hobbies?

Grow up mate.
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« Reply #83 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:04:58 »
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WWJD? Even Jesus would tell you that gambling is stupid.

jesus didn't know how to cook animals without split hooves and chewed their food twice and fish without scales. he knows nothing.

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« Reply #84 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:11:00 »
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Who the **** are you to tell anyone else what they can and cannot do...


BUT...

I never actually did that. Did you even read the thread?

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KL - carrying this RiGS squabble over EVERY THREAD is getting old.


Every thread? I dunno about you, but I see a LOT of threads without RiGS and I squabbling in them.

For anyone else who is about to bash me, I recommend that you


There's only one point that I really wanted to make, and I made it right on the very first page of this thread:
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« Reply #85 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:19:03 »
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KL - carrying this RiGS squabble over EVERY THREAD is getting old.  If I wanted to watch fighting I'd go upstairs and watch my teenager and wife go at it.



... Sounds fap-tastic...

I mean...

It's a shame they don't get along... *shifty eyes*

I'm sure there's enough people in enough countries who weren't breaking any laws that have a legal leg to stand on that something will be done to compensate any losses to their law-abiding customers.

I would never gamble myself, but  still wish you luck and hope it works out for you.

It's one thing to lose your money in a hand. It's another to have a foreign country's police confiscate it when you haven't broken any laws.

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« Reply #86 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:24:59 »
What argument? I could post a full page of actual direct insults RiGS has made towards me.

Yet I have never actually directly insulted him ONCE. (Unless you count calling him a troll).

RiGS trolls consistently, I call him out on it, he DIRECTLY insults me, and it goes on like that. That's what these squabbles are.
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« Reply #87 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:29:10 »
I think I prefer to be the teenager...I don't want to think about getting "ripstered" in the bedroom at night ;)

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« Reply #88 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 10:59:04 »
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It's one thing to lose your money in a hand. It's another to have a foreign country's police confiscate it when you haven't broken any laws.


This is my biggest gripe with this situation. But big business has gotten so powerful here in the US they pretty much run the country now.

There's a good chance the larger banks outed the small banks because they got jealous of the profits they were making. And had the larger banks been doing this, there's a good chance this wouldn't hit the news.

But it was smaller, regional banks doing it. They're free game. The actual IMPORTANT banks in this country that have, in the last year, been doing very very well as people turn away from the larger banks. But now this whole 'scandal' comes out.

I don't know. A lot of this reeks.

Small banks doing well - US govt shuts down Poker websites which were a good part of the profits of many smaller banks and makes small banks look bad. Big banks profit.

It's a bit of a half-baked statement but you never know these days :p

Oh, and like I said before...it's a bit infuriating that our govt thinks they can take down websites forever when they aren't even based in the US and serve mostly foreign customers. Blocking access I'd understand, but not shutting down completely.
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« Reply #89 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 11:08:23 »
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Are you in line to become the next RiGS or something? Your posts make about as much sense as his.

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« Reply #90 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 11:14:05 »
If you haven't had a sex ed class yet, you can pm me or ask my Uncle Google for more information.

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« Reply #91 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 11:28:42 »
I don't follow this in much detail, but I think it's only the domain names that US government got, the companies themselves are perfectly fine. So if you got money in there I don't think there is much reason to panic. That's basically all US government can do, confiscate .com domains and threaten executives with arrest if they ever set foot on US soil. Any foreign court would throw the case out if it was ever filed, and US government knows it.

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« Reply #92 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 11:32:59 »
Well, if those websites were breaking US laws and committing fraud through US banks, then I can understand them shutting the sites down. It could just be temporary seizure of the site and its assets as evidence for all I know.

After the US banks needed a bail-out, most of which wasn't kept track of very well, and now these other banks have been tricked and bribed so easily...

People still put undoubting faith in banks to hold and manage nearly every penny of their money. It's sort of nuts... But I guess whenever money is involved, risks and corruption are always a possibility.

Anyways... I would think (mind you I'm no lawyer) confiscating money from people around the world would probably jeopardize or at least inhibit any prosecutions against these people, if they had no plans of returning this money to its rightful owners, or allowing the owners a means of reclaiming their loss.

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« Reply #93 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 11:48:24 »
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BUT...

I never actually did that. Did you even read the thread?


Yes, you did. By asserting that someone who loses money by these gambling sites being shut down by the FBI deserves that loss of money, you are simultaneously asserting that said activity is worthless and that their claim to it as a valid pastime is worthless.

As others have said, you crapping on what seems to be every Rigs comment (whether said comments are misled or not, which can certainly be the case) is tiring.

You might feel validated in attacking anything Rigs does or says because of his personal beliefs (which is a stupid position imo), but you have to realise that Rigs isn't the only person who plays poker...

Also I don't appreciate you preaching Christian(inan)ity in defence of your position, it's disingenuous and insulting to those of us who are able to justify our activities rationally without resorting to some two thousand year old piece of papyrus as proof of their legitimacy.

I'm over and out but thought I'd 'chip' in with my disgust as I am an avid poker player...
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« Reply #94 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 11:51:13 »
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Hahaha - that's what the tax evaders that had money in the Swiss Bank UBS thought!


How is that relevant? Those "tax evaders" were in US themselves. Of course US government could get them easily. We are talking about people who are not themselves in US, and who have money in these companies which are also not in US. I think they will be fine.

But if any of you who lives in US was stupid enough to think he lives in a free country and can visit any sites he wants and waste his own money however he wants, than yes - you are ****ed.

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« Reply #95 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 12:04:05 »
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Assets were held in Swiss vaults.

You'd be amazed to learn how Governments tend to have lots of incentive to cooperate on financial things.


So that's your prediction, US government will be able to shutdown worldwide online gambling industry? Perhaps you also think the TE will actually ship this year?

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« Reply #96 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 12:08:23 »
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By asserting that someone who loses money by these gambling sites being shut down by the FBI deserves that loss of money, you are simultaneously asserting that said activity is worthless and that their claim to it as a valid pastime is worthless.


But...I never said that he couldn't or shouldn't do it, did I? I just said that it's dumb. Get it right.

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Also I don't appreciate you preaching Christian(inan)ity in defence of your position, it's disingenuous and insulting to those of us who are able to justify our activities rationally without resorting to some two thousand year old piece of papyrus as proof of their legitimacy.


I never preached anything. Read the damn thread! Rigs was the one who attacked my values and I defended my position as such.
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« Reply #97 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 12:13:55 »
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There you go again.  Preaching to the choir.

Lol. Seems like you're trolling me to make rigs feel better.

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« Reply #98 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 12:31:23 »
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You seem upset.

Are you saying you lied and aren't buying five of them?


You never seen me upset.
And yes, I lie all the time.
Just like you.

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« Reply #99 on: Sat, 16 April 2011, 12:44:00 »
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You lie about me lying.


And you lie about me lying about you lying.