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Offline snerual

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« on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 09:17:07 »
First one (1392934) lacks most key caps and is expensive with bids starting at $99.99 or BIN at $289.99:
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Space-Saver-Mechanical-Keyboard-/270751932998

Second one (also 1392934) is currently at $39.55:
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Space-Saver-Keyboard-Clicky-/320701841135
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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 09:29:17 »
That 2nd one is mine. Don't you even look at it!!!  :lol:
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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 09:48:24 »
Fail. The first one isn't worth that much in that condition. Sigh, if only I had the money.
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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 09:56:53 »
That and I don't have a job at the moment.

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 09:58:20 »
The keys of the first one should be an easy and relatively cheap fix. Of course the BIN is priced (too) high and starting off with a $99.99 bid price will likely scare off some buyers as well.
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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 10:00:44 »
And number 2 is at $152.53 already! Yikes.
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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 10:18:06 »
Okay, I give up.  :frown:  You guys can have it now.
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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 10:37:32 »
Quote from: acfrazier;348984
You mean you're the guy who bid repeatedly to test my max? Nice.


No, I didn't even bid on it. I gave up all hope when it went over $150. I'm more of a snipping type  :smile:
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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 11:15:06 »
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Actually getting keys showing the embedded numpad numbers won't be easy.  If you care about the embedded keypad that is.  SHIFT SCRLLOCK - get some USE out of that key.

That's very true. I don't use the numpad functionality on my SSK's, so regular M keys will do nicely to replace all those missing key caps. That is, if I were to bid on this one, which I'm not.
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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 11:19:49 »
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You mean you're the guy who bid repeatedly to test my max? Nice.
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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 14:18:59 »
Embedded numpads are overrated. I predict that keyless one's going to go lower than my max [strike]snipe[/strike] bid. Positive thinking and all.
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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 18:03:31 »
Yowza, if this trend keeps up I may have to break down and sell off a few of mine...nah.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 19:23:44 »
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You mean you're the guy who bid repeatedly to test my max? Nice.

 
Help me out here.  What's the difference to you if someone outbids you via a single bid or via a hundred bids?  The result is the same, and your max bid will be revealed.  I personally don't see one iota difference to me how I'm outbid.  The fact is someone wanted it more than me, and I'll have to rethink my max bid if I want it or else let the other person have it.  I try never to take anything personal with others outbidding me, or me outbidding others.  If I do, then I'm being way too serious about the whole thing.  Now I might get mildly upset at myself if I see something and plan to bid on it but forget about it until the auction's over.  If someone else wins something over me, I think "good for them, they must have wanted it more than me."

Now if you're a businessman, looking to buy up items for cheap and resell them, then I can see perhaps getting a bit annoyed at being outbid, but in that case you'd better choose something besides SSKs, because SSKs are always going to get posted here and everyone's going to know about them.  Your only hope of getting one cheap is if the auction is extremely poorly marked, BIN, or for an extremely short duration.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 20:44:49 »
One thing I like about snipping is that it doesn't give the other guys time to keep raising the price. Let's say an item is going for $100. My max bid is $200. The other guy's max bid is $120. If I put my max bid in too early that other guy is going to keep trying to get it and raising the price to $150 before he gives up. Now instead of paying $120 I have to pay $150 or more.
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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 20 May 2011, 21:15:51 »
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because SSKs are always going to get posted here and everyone's going to know about them.  Your only hope of getting one cheap is if the auction is extremely poorly marked, BIN, or for an extremely short duration.

Oh boy, can we PLEASE start a meme about asymmetric information!
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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 00:26:36 »
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One thing I like about snipping is that it doesn't give the other guys time to keep raising the price. Let's say an item is going for $100. My max bid is $200. The other guy's max bid is $120. If I put my max bid in too early that other guy is going to keep trying to get it and raising the price to $150 before he gives up. Now instead of paying $120 I have to pay $150 or more.

If you are referring to bidding on just one isolated item, and intend on winning the auction, then I agree sniping has the best chance at winning it.  But I can think of other situations where someone's bidding strategy might involve bidding other than sniping.  Let's take these two SSKs for example, plus the third SSK up on eBay, the NIB one.  If I wanted to win the auction for one and only one of those three, but was willing to accept any of them, it presents a bit of a problem.  I'd like to get the one which represents the best value for my money, but won't know the final prices until after all three auctions are over and I cannot bid anymore.  So making some educated guesses at what sort of price ranges they might go for, and doing some early bidding to try to force out some other maximum bids might be useful.

For example, let's say I estimate that the keycapless SSK will go for the cheapest, and the NIB will go for the most.  The auction for the NIB finishes first.  I balance out the fact that the NIB one is a brand new keyboard vs. this one is a used one, and come up with some percent over the used price that the NIB is worth.  Let's say I calculate that for me, the NIB is worth twice that of the used one.  So if I can force out of the used SSK a price of $150 before the bidding is finished on the NIB one, then I know that I can bid $300 on the NIB one and feel good that I'm getting good value for my money, being the used one is already half that price.

So someone may try to out another's maximum bid in the manner as what was done for such a reason.

As for reasons why someone might want to make a lot of small bid increments:

As stated above, maybe they only want one of the three keyboards up for auction, and don't want their bid to go significantly over the present bidder's maximum bid, being they're just trying to feel it out before the close of a different keyboard's auction.

Maybe they're interested in this or another totally different item, but only have funds to buy one.  Buy feeling out the price this one might go for, and if the price goes beyond some point early enough, they can forget about it and concentrate on the other item they're interested in.

Maybe they're just having a bit of fun while bidding, and like to see how many bids they can get the auction up to.  An auction with 50 bids looks more impressive than one with only 5 bids, even if the item ends up selling for the same amount.  Beyond looking impressive though, it doesn't really mean anything, other than it might get more people interested in the auction.

Maybe they just like auctions where there's a lot of action, giving them some of the feelings of a real physical auction, rather than an online auction.  Lots of emotions and psychological factors go into people bidding in auctions.

So the point is, you don't know the reasons for why someone else is bidding the way they do.  You can think to yourself, they're bidding silly or foolishly, and maybe they are.  But without knowing what's going on in their head, you might also be wrong.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 21:20:06 »
Okay  - because I love you guys I'm gonna go ahead and shoot myself in the foot for future deals and share my ultimate wisdom RE:ebay strategy...

This depends on the rarity/frequency of the items you want coming to auction, but actually the only way to avoid paying the absolute max you are willing to pay is probably sniping.  By doing that properly with the absolute maximum bid you are willing to pay, you often end up getting it for considerably less (unless what you are willing to pay is below the market tolerance that is...)   When multiples are in play, use a sniping tool that auto cancels the other snipes after you win as many as you want.    I figure it like this, if you win one even at your max then you still have one at a price you are willing to pay.  Sometimes I'll put in a bid early on at a lower max too just to get my foot in the door in case of a tie at snipe time.  That way I win a draw due to the early bid and most bidding is done in the last seconds.  What I really hate is when I really want something bad enough that I know I'll pay through the nose and then the nibblers drive up the price and eventually fail to win anyway, and this way that is avoided by letting them stay comfortable at a lower price and in the lead until I take it at the end.  

 You can get an idea of what the minimum bid will need to be if you look at the recent history of completed listings and see what the range is.  If you're a risk taker but you REALLY want it, you can snipe it with some absolutely outrageous max and pray no else is doing a kamakaze snipe on the same item; you're pretty much guaranteed to win, but it could be a stupidly high price if someone else gets the same idea. ( I did this by accident once when bidding on a PS2 bundle - I forgot that the ebay system doesn't have a fixed decimal point like some forms and entered a max bid of $4,400 instead of $44 with an hour or so left to go.  You can only retract your bid under certain circumstances and by the time I realized what I had done it was too late to fix.  Fortunately, I am a night owl and the reason this auction was so low was because it was like a 3 or 4 in the morning end time on a Wednesday or something and I figured there wasn't too much demand at that time to drive up the price.  I got lucky and took it for $42 in the end and it came with a couple controllers, cables, and memory cards and a lovely carrying case - and a bonus psx disc in the drive when it arrived!  One of the best deals I ever got and the going rate at the time was still at least twice that on the bottom end. ) But for something like that I usually snipe with the max I'm willing to go plus up to $20 for the "shoulda coulda" regret insurance.  That way if it goes for higher I know I wouldn't have wanted it at that price anyway...

This works even if you're dead set on getting it at a steal price, you just have to be patient and only snipe up to the steal price you are willing to pay.  But the chances that you'll win one increase dramatically if you are up at odd hours and use the save search feature to alert you to new listings as they come and use an auto-sniping tool to group items you want.  It keeps the emotional part to a minimum and keeps the nibblers (and shills, for that matter)  from needlessly pushing your bid higher.  I learned this lesson after getting bitten by a sniper or two myself when I was still green at the auctions.  I got fed up and googled "how to win ebay auctions" and read a great article detailing why sniping was really the most effective and fairest way to go with the way ebay is set up.    The only time I will nibble bid is if I want to expose a reserve price on something I really want  and I need to know if my max is anywhere near the ballpark or if I should just give up
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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 21:38:22 »
Tl;dr

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 21:52:47 »
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Sometimes I'll put in a bid early on at a lower max too just to get my foot in the door in case of a tie at snipe time.  That way I win a draw due to the early bid and most bidding is done in the last seconds.

Wouldn't bidding some odd amount slightly higher than what you planned on work as well?  I mean, if you were planning your max bid at $50 for something, bid $50.06.  It's very unlikely that anyone would be the exact amount if you're bidding in odd amounts.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 22:22:32 »
@Voixdelion: I'll set my alarm clock and get up at 3-4 am to put in a bid if I really want that item. I also add similar items to my watch list to see what the winning bids are. That way I can judge how much I'll have to bid. I recently lost my bid on NIB Apple Extended II (M0312) because I didn't do that. Who here got my Apple keyboard!!!

@Sam: I do put in some weird amount  :)
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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 22:36:02 »
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54 bids for the second one with 4 days to go?

Lol.

If this was in a Mexican stall even the owner would be getting ready to kick out the customer by now.


Crap! I guess I'll never get to have one of those SSKs  :Cry:  What if I saw off my Model M...

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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 22:45:40 »
Daniel Beaver made a post several months ago doing just that, and one or two others tried his technique as well, I think with mixed results.  The finished product had some cosmetic issues, but if you have some time and a spare full-size Model M, it might be the way to go if you really want a SSK but don't want to pay for it.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 27 May 2011, 00:29:51 »
2nd one on the list ended at $266.10

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 27 May 2011, 11:33:23 »
$266 for a used Space Saver--Wow. The economy has tanked but keyboards are off the charts.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 01 June 2011, 06:47:02 »
I'm sorry, did I read that correctly?  A keyboard WITHOUT keys has been sold for more than 160 dollars?  0.o
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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 03:23:27 »
You know, those pics of your ssk boxes just enlightened me as to what "PS/2" actually represents.   I wondered, but never enough to investigate - besides I usually refer to it as "the keyboard hole" ...What was the PS/1?
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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 07:27:22 »


A cheap home computer, usually shipped with the Model M2.

Somewhat counter-intuitively, the PS/1 came after the PS/2. I think the 2 in PS/2 was to designate that it was a successor to the original IBM PC architecture. The PS/1 used PS/2 ports :3

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 12:22:07 »
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I'm sorry, did I read that correctly?  A keyboard WITHOUT keys has been sold for more than 160 dollars?  0.o

Seen that it's not that hard to fetch an IBM board with compatible key stem and keycaps for less than $1 the fact that this mini only has the key stem and not the keycaps doesn't seem to change much: simply take the key caps from a donor board and you're good to go.

I bought a terminal IBM keyboard two weeks ago for $1.

Also, several keyboard enthusiasts here have additional sets of keycaps (I just participated in a group buy for two all-black keysets).

So maybe the buyer already has all the keycaps he needs for that board.

Not to mention that seen how the prices of these kind of keyboards are going up, it's not impossible that in one year that $160 keyboard will be worth even more (while it's still going to be trivial to find keycaps).
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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 13:02:24 »
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One without keys ended at $178 with 8 bids.

All of mine I paid less for NIB.

What a difference a year makes.  

Timing.  Or Threadcrapper Revenge.  You decide.

I think it is because the keyboard fever is catching on, and the enoconmy is slowly coming back.  Keyboards are the only computer hardware that doesn't depreciate as quickly as other hardware parts.  Maybe even OCN folks will start buying more than a ducky!  Haha!

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 13:23:44 »
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You should see when a Buckling Spring keyboard is posted at OCN.

I don't go there often.  What happened?  Do they not like buckling spring?

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 19:05:08 »
They recoil in horror because they aren't backlit.

Seriously.

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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 22:30:41 »
Poor OCNers who can't touch type must rely on backlit keyboards to type in the dark.