Not really happy with cherry brown :/

[The Solutor]

No, I was a bit too busy to gather the appropriate parts.

 

But not busy enough to avoid to call braindead someone who suggest something you never tried.

[ch_123]

This coming from the "don't waste your time and money in anything else" guy. Ho-hum.

I also think you're slightly missing my point, slightly.

[The Solutor]

This coming from the "don't waste your time and money in anything else" guy. Ho-hum.

Don't waste money in anything else was intended as "don't buy a blue, and then sell it because it's noisy, don't buy a black just to find it is unpleasant, and so on"

BS are nice, I agree with you, but have a number of drawbacks that can't made them an item easy to suggest to a newcomer, the should be a complement to any keyboard "collection" but not as first board to buy. IMO

I also think you're slightly missing my point, slightly.

Throwing "bombs" in to the crowd is always a risky operation, a precision gun should be used in those cases.

BTW nice to hear i was not the target.

[ch_123]

Sure, the buckling springs are not 100% ideal, but neither is combining two switch types, especially given the relative scarcity of Clear switches. Lot of work required for someone who may not be into modding.

[The Solutor]

given the relative scarcity of Clear switches.

 

They are really easy to find.

In the US they are easily available from mouser or from cherry pos boards off ebay, in Europe you can get a brand new cherry g80 for 44€ (or again look to ebay) and use it as donor or receiver board.

Lot of work required for someone who may not be into modding.

As I said before we are on geeckhack not on lazy****, even a newcomer that register itself here is supposed to like a bit of research, modding, experiments.

Personally I spent a lot for a couple of boards but now they are exactly what I wanted, ISO enter excluded (BTW an UK Qpad is on its way right now).

Cooking something you like it's a pleasure that no restaurant can give.

Then I repeat myself, swapping the stems on a PCB mount board is matter of 1h  work, nothing to do with the 7+ hours spent on my xarmor.

If the receiver board is a basic plate mounted one, like a Filco, the time may rise to a couple of hours or more, depending on the soldering and desoldering tools used.

[Adhesive_X]

They had  clears at digikey a few months ago.
Pick up 3 or 4 switches and plant them in a piece of clay to make a quick gaming cluster to get the feel.
$20 experiment is cheaper than buying a deck and getting stuck with it.

[ch_123]

BS are nice, I agree with you, but have a number of drawbacks that can't made them an item easy to suggest to a newcomer, the should be a complement to any keyboard "collection" but not as first board to buy. IMO

Why though? Just about any keyboard has disadvantages associated with it. Why are the Model M's so bad?

[The Solutor]

Why are the Model M's so bad?

 
If someone tell me a generic "i don't like my car, what one you suggest ?", w/o adding anything else, i don't go to suggest a Smart or a Hummer, nor a Ferrari or a Trabant, I suggest a Golf or a Grande Punto, even if I consider the smart one of the more intelligent cars ever, even if I like a lot a Ferrari.

For keyboards is the same BS are extreme, bulky, not so nice looking, with interface problems if old IBM ones (and if connected to a ripster's PC), stiff and loud.

You can love them, but you can hate them, they can be also felt as a too long jump from RD or scissors.

Browns are the exact opposite, not too loud, not too stiff, not too tactile, not too linear, not too bad, not too good. The average joe's keyboard.

Ergo clears have a bit more pepper and salt, are tasty w/o being noisy or affected by great hysteresis, a Golf GTI to continue with cars analogies...

[ch_123]

Looks are entirely subjective, and largely meaningless anyway. Interface - just get a USB Unicomp, or a PS/2 adapter. Some people may want the stiffness, as the OP implied. Many people around here have had buckling springs as their first mech keyboards, myself included.

[The Solutor]

Many people around here have had buckling springs as their first mech keyboards, myself included.

But likely they tried it before and they found them good, hardly someone will wake up some morning and go to buy blindly a BS board.

[Astounding]

Fukka Alps Filco Zero!!!

[HaiiYaa]

None of you are actual gamers. What he wants is a keyboard thats great for gaming not for typing

I get it that most of you guys hate blacks for typing and would never recommmend it but why can't you look past your personal preference and see its exactly what he needs and want?

Bucklings springs keyboards will only give him 2nrko so thats not what he wants
Blues only requires slighty more force and is horrible for double tapping so how can you even think about that?
Clears is not good great for double tapping either.
Reds are horrible light, feels even lighter than browns
Ergo clears for first mechanical... really?
Topres? His parents already things he is crazy for spending 150$


Blacks is the perfect gaming switch, high force, great for double tapping, spamming keys and easy to find for less than 150$ with full NRKO

[theferenc]

HaiiYaa, I don't know about that, I get the impression a lot of folks here are gamers.

But given that the OP states:

when one key is pressed repeatedly very fast, it just feels like im sliding a piece of plastic up and down.... it doesn't feel like i'm actually pressing something...

I read that as "the lack of apparent tactility in brown is unsatisfying, as I don't feel like I'm actuating the key". It's even repeated in a later post. Of course, we may have different opinions on that, and unless the OP clarifies, either is valid.

In other words, linear is likely a poor choice. Given that most laptop keyboards are 2KRO, I also don't think that's much of an issue, either.

[onesie]

actually im a sc2 player as well and i dont like blacks for it. imo playing SC2 is more similar to typing rather than FPS games. i think the OP would be best suited with clears or ergo clears. i liked the tactileness of blues but cant stand the clickiness myself.

[wompwomp]

.

[Reason]

ahhhhhhhhhhh so many differing opinions T_T
I don't know what to choose...
and I don't think the try out board is gonna reach me soon lol

[scribble]

actually im a sc2 player as well and i dont like blacks for it. imo playing SC2 is more similar to typing rather than FPS games. i think the OP would be best suited with clears or ergo clears. i liked the tactileness of blues but cant stand the clickiness myself.

i love the clicks of the blue when i play, so much so that i make sure either the volume of my music is turned down, or one of the sides of the headphones isn't covering my ear

[HaiiYaa]

ahhhhhhhhhhh so many differing opinions T_T
I don't know what to choose...
and I don't think the try out board is gonna reach me soon lol

 
Do you want easy to press switches that you can feel and hear when you press the key? Get cherry mx blue
Do you want harder to press switches that you can't feel or hear when you press, but is great for spamming the same key? get cherry mx black
Do you want harder to press switches that you can feel when you press? Get cherry mx white

the others are not an option because you dont want to be limited to only pressing 2keys at once in sc2

[onesie]

Do you want easy to press switches that you can feel and hear when you press the key? Get cherry mx blue
Do you want harder to press switches that you can't feel or hear when you press, but is great for spamming the same key? get cherry mx black
Do you want harder to press switches that you can feel when you press? Get cherry mx white

the others are not an option because you dont want to be limited to only pressing 2keys at once in sc2

what do you mean by limiting to two keys at once, Nkro or not doesnt have anything to do with what the switch types are.

[HaiiYaa]

what do you mean by limiting to two keys at once, Nkro or not doesnt have anything to do with what the switch types are.

 
I never heard about buckling springs, apls or topre with more than 2nrko

reds are too light

[HaiiYaa]

Topres are 6KRO over USB.

If the lazy ass Topre engineers did more than dye keycaps they could match the Leopold and get 18KRO over USB easy.

ok then topres do 6KRO but I doubt his parents would let him get a 300$ keyboard when they think he is crazy for paying 150$ for one

[HaiiYaa]

I agree with that.  Just like The Solutor keeps recommending every noob put in modified Cherry Clears the people who recommend $300 keyboards to a guy with a $150 budget crack me up.

How come you're not recommending he get a Razer?
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I just wouldn't sleep well at night recommending him a Razer.

Did you know I'm from the country of lego?

[HaiiYaa]

Danish?

You listen to Tommy Seebach a lot?
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ofcourse and we live in lego houses

[Arc'xer]

ok then topres do 6KRO but I doubt his parents would let him get a 300$ keyboard when they think he is crazy for paying 150$ for one

Topres are port limited, they use a nestled hierarchy for full-NKRO it's just some specialty versions which use PS/2 like the Gtune, though I'm not sure if it can utilize a PS/2-to-USB adapter.

As for the browns I'm on the same side of "never really been happy". I'll admit they feel a hell of a lot better than some of the keyboards I've had to use but they just aren't all that great. I hate to sound like I don't like mechanical keyboards but I've certainly haven't been too happy with them. Key reliability and feel is top notch; they are as good as the day they were broken in. But I just never really feel much almost a straining myself not to bottom out as if I strain myself just to apply enough force for a tactile element I barely feel. Strangely enough I feel slightly more tactility if the switch were upside down that way the tactile point is towards the finger pad i.e. cherry branding name facing the person. And yet other times they feel really tactility and notable to a degree though not a "whoa" in a way like a two-face one time yes, other time no.

The browns are also obnoxious at times when it comes to use. Sometimes they feel so linear with no tactility and yet other times it's almost as if the resistance increases significantly in a negative way. And other times I sort of have to make myself an excuse as to thinking there is tactility hence what I said above about "straining to type". Gaming wise for FPS they are terrible compared to linear or hell even membrane/rubber domes the tactility while feeling like it's not there really messes up your movements make them very sloppy especially for small corrections there's just something annoying about the tactility and it's effect at least for me.

I hate to say this but my old G11 had more tactility. I know the G11 and subsequent Logi-Gboards are gimmicky and use the same "membrane tops" as a 1 dollar keyboard. But for some reason I feel it a hell of a lot more. Maybe it's me but except for a super cheapo keyboard I never really had the negative reactions for keyboard occasionally with some of the more heavily used keyboards people use. It's sort of like other products people use they have all kinds of problems and issues and other **** and yet I've barely if ever suffered them.

Again I'm not hating on mechanical keyboards or anything for that matter. It's sure as hell worth the price compared to what is spoon fed to people. But I think I either may not like the browns or I may not like specifically the cherry mx switch system. I've never tried anything but blues, black, and brown never used some of the other like clear, red etc.etc. But even with the blues despite how in the flow I would get with them I barely felt the tactility. I even have posts of me mentioning how I felt the G11 tactility to be stronger than the mx blue.

I think one of the things that needs to be talked about is the difference between artificial vs elastic systems. Maybe a topre would be my answer being a rubber based keyboard or keytronic or mx red or whatever not to jack this thread. Though to be honest with the costs to all the different components it gets pretty expensive so I don't really go out of my way to try. Strangely enough I don't really mind bottoming out with the membrane domes at least for me it feels like a chore trying to stop exactly at the 2.0mm mark.

In a way mechanical keyboards maybe to me specifically is sorta like a mouse or monitor. After a while you change your sensitivity, change grip(claw, fingertip, palm), or different mousepad, mouse, or better monitor etc.etc. and you keep trying to find all the intricacies and nuisances and whatnot and try to I wouldn't say find the perfect device but find something along the lines of "Alright this is feels right, this is a winner". But instead you keep picking up all the negatives and never stay happy with what you have.

[bhtooefr]

Bucklings springs keyboards will only give him 2nrko so thats not what he wants

Except gaming worked for years on 2KRO - not to mention, he has 2KRO right now, and it works fine. But, if NKRO were necessary, there's always modding a 122 F to USB - full NKRO, no soldering needed (but a clean install will be soldered in). But, given that the budget is likely strongly biased towards going under the budget, rather than right up to it, a normal 101-key Model M or a Unicomp is a better bet.

Blacks is the perfect gaming switch, high force, great for double tapping, spamming keys and easy to find for less than 150$ with full NRKO

But no tactility, and that appears to be one of his two complaints about browns.

[HaiiYaa]

Except gaming worked for years on 2KRO - not to mention, he has 2KRO right now, and it works fine. But, if NKRO were necessary, there's always modding a 122 F to USB - full NKRO, no soldering needed (but a clean install will be soldered in). But, given that the budget is likely strongly biased towards going under the budget, rather than right up to it, a normal 101-key Model M or a Unicomp is a better bet.

2KRNO is definately not enough for sc2 or many other games

But no tactility, and that appears to be one of his two complaints about browns.

How can you be sure of that? To be it just seems like he complain that the keys on browns are so light that he cant actually feel when he press it down

[bhtooefr]

Take a look at this, though:

I just want the keys to respond to my touch when I press on them unlike brown..
I really like the feel when I bottom out the browns but I usually have really light touch and when I press the buttons lightly, I just don't feel any response... and that really bugs me.. I mean I like it because the keys are recognized without jamming on the key but it also feels unsatisfying

 
That reads like he wants more tactility.

[The Solutor]

I agree with that.  Just like The Solutor keeps recommending every noob put in modified Cherry Clears

 
You had the keyboard knowledge integrated in your firmware or you learned something later ?

Everyone is a noob before starting to do something, including me and you.

I got my Xarmor just a three months ago, I used it with browns for a couple of hours, then I modded it even if I haven't opened a cherry switch in my whole life.

Where's the problem ?

Well... I know perfectly where's the problem: you consider this place something yours, and you consider any other expert user a danger for your position.

So I have to inform you that no one here want to steal something, no one want to attack your "nation", including me.

But forget that I keep my mout closed just to please you, I'll keep to give reasonable suggestion and/or solution as I did in the last 15 years of internet, as I did in my whole life.

It's just a forum, people are here to compare their opinions with other people, and not to blindly accept your opinion.

Accept it and your life will get better.

How come you're not recommending he get a Razer?

Wow what a difficult question !!!

Maybe because I was dumb enough to get one and i found it crap (and broken)?

[ch_123]

But likely they tried it before and they found them good, hardly someone will wake up some morning and go to buy blindly a BS board.

 
Again, why not?

Sounds like you're forcing your own subjective views about keyboards onto other people instead of providing people with some sensible practical options to choose from.

2KRNO is definately not enough for sc2 or many other games

 
Given that I play SC2 on a Model M, I'm going to have to disagree.

Given that the pros in Korea play on cheap rubber dome keyboards, I'm going to have to double disagree.

Topres are port limited, they use a nestled hierarchy for full-NKRO

I'm pretty sure it's just because they are capacitive. Capacitive and Hall Effect switches tend to be inherently NKRO because you don't have issues with uncontrolled current flow.

Also sounds like you need to broaden your horizons switch wise

[The Solutor]

Again, why not?

 

Deja Vu, something in the matrix is changed

I haven't already replied to the same question just few hours ago ?

[ch_123]

Yes, it was something to the effect of "I think they look ugly and some people might find them too stiff"

I was looking for decent reasons to bad mouth Unicomp's keyboards.

[The Solutor]

I was looking for decent reasons to bad mouth Unicomp's keyboards.

 
Firstly where you saw "a bad mouth" ?

Secondly I have already replied, i suggest to buy one of them only after a real test.

BS aren't average boards, are boards with a strong taste, you can love it, you can hate it.

[ch_123]

Considering the amount of people around here who use buckling spring keyboards, and how popular they are on the switch polls, I'm thinking that they are a pretty likeable switch.

Now, look at Browns. I hate browns much for the same reasons that the OP does. If I were you, I'd probably start going around saying that the browns are a switch with "strong taste" and that they aren't really a mainstream switch. I might make some completely superfluous and meaningless comment about the boards that use them looking ugly. Thankfully I have more perspective than that and I appreciate that many people consider them to be excellent switches.

I suggest you do something similar.

[bhtooefr]

Actually, back in the day, BS keyboards WERE average boards. If you bought an IBM PC up through the PS/2 era, you pretty much automatically got a BS board.

[The Solutor]

I'm thinking that they are a pretty likeable switch.

Me too, so where's the problem ?

Considering the amount of people around here who use buckling spring keyboards, and how popular they are on the switch polls,

Around = keyboard experts ? If so we are talking about giving suggestions to a not expert?

Now, look at Browns. I hate browns much for the same reasons that the OP does.

So we are three

If I were you, I'd probably start going around saying that the browns are a switch with "strong taste" and that they aren't really a mainstream switch.

I don't know if my English is so bad or if you refuse to understand what I'm saying.

Brown switch is the EXACT OPPOSITE of a switch with strong taste.

I might make some completely superfluous and meaningless comment about the boards that use them looking ugly.

Can I post my opinion about the look of something ?

Like it or not look is a feature, maybe not the main one, but still is a parameter evaluated when something is bought.

BTW I never said that BS are ugly. Decks are ugly, BS are just not so nice.

Thankfully I have more perspective than that and I appreciate that many people consider them to be excellent switches.

I think you should use such wide perspective to understand what's the point and what other people are saying. Because I don't like to reply to something I never said.

[ch_123]

Me too, so where's the problem ?

Well, apparently they are not mainstream enough to be recommended to people or something, or something. I'm not really too sure what you're trying to say any more.

I don't know if my English is so bad or if you refuse to understand what I'm saying.

Brown switch is the EXACT OPPOSITE of a switch with strong taste.

But why? By whose metric? All I've seen so far is a lot of subjective opinions to back up an assertion that buckling springs are somehow not a mainstream keyboard. These aren't really useful to people who are looking for switches to try out.

Besides, even if we roll with your bizarre "strong taste" argument, as you said earlier -

As I said before we are on geeckhack not on lazy****, even a newcomer that register itself here is supposed to like a bit of research, modding, experiments.

So, apparently people are meant to be brave about ripping keyboards apart, but not buying a buckling spring keyboard. Ho-hum.

Can I post my opinion about the look of something ?

Like it or not look is a feature, maybe not the main one, but still is a parameter evaluated when something is bought.

BTW I never said that BS are ugly. Decks are ugly, BS are just not so nice.

For keyboards is the same BS are extreme, bulky, not so nice looking,

[The Solutor]

Well, apparently they are not mainstream enough to be recommended to people

 
Indeed, they aren't.

But why? By whose metric?

What metric you want ? Brown switches are meant exactly to be average from any point of view, and this (unlike the look) is not an opinion, this is a fact. They are the standard hamburger sold by cherry's fast food.

Besides, even if we roll with your bizarre "strong taste" argument, as you said earlier

So let me switch a second in ripster mode.

Italian logic.

If there is something where we are light years ahead other people is in design and food matters, so I use those analogies.

We can argue a whole day if caviar is a superb food of is a disgusting one, the point is that is not average and BS keyboars are exactly like that, strong taste.

So, apparently people are meant to be brave about ripping keyboards apart, but not buying a buckling spring keyboard. Ho-hum.

Well, yes

I think that when one is doing something with his own hands the end result is immensely more satisfying than, blindly using the wallet.

Cooking v.s. using frozen dishes.

[bhtooefr]

I think we're hitting a language barrier with the "strong taste" thing, maybe?

Does "strong taste" mean "stiff key feel"? Or does it mean that it's an acquired taste - something that many people won't like, but if you get used to it, you love it?

I'm getting the impression that The Solutor is using the former definition, and ch_123 is using the latter.

[The Solutor]

I think we're hitting a language barrier with the "strong taste" thing, maybe?

 
Strong taste for me, means just strong taste, definite, firm... call it whatever.

Maybe you use it as a synonym of bad taste in that case is clear why ch 123 doesn't understand my point (btw I'm sure it is not devastated by a single wrong word)

[bhtooefr]

We don't use it as a synonym of bad taste, but rather... a taste that isn't normal, and some may consider bad, but some consider good.

I'll note that Cherry themselves don't consider browns to be normal - they consider them to be an ergonomic switch, and IIRC designed them for an ergonomic keyboard. They have the clear for a soft-tactile normal switch. (Granted, browns are now more common than clears, but...)

[The Solutor]

We don't use it as a synonym of bad taste, but rather... a taste that isn't normal, and some may consider bad, but some consider good.

 
Ok, thanks.

So I used it correctly.

I'll note that Cherry themselves don't consider browns to be normal - they consider them to be an ergonomic switch, and IIRC designed them for an ergonomic keyboard. They have the clear for a soft-tactile normal switch. (Granted, browns are now more common than clears, but...)

Tastes are evolving while nomenclature doesen't.

Cherry switches are on the market since the time when buckling springs were commonly used and sold keyboards, and other producers are used to mimic whatever IBM was doing.

Now the average keyboards are softer than in the past and in the eastern countries the brown switch has completely superceded the clear ones (that are completely discontinued there).

So the concept of average switch is moved but the brown switches still have their old name.

[ch_123]

Indeed, they aren't.

But why?

Again, this is from the guy who thinks we should all rip apart Cherry keyboards and mix them together.

What metric you want ? Brown switches are meant exactly to be average from any point of view, and this (unlike the look) is not an opinion, this is a fact. They are the standard hamburger sold by cherry's fast food.

When you say "any", you mean to say "my".

Language barrier, as you say.

Well, yes

I think that when one is doing something with his own hands the end result is immensely more satisfying than, blindly using the wallet.

Cooking v.s. using frozen dishes.

Ok. So, if the OP were to buy a terminal IBM keyboard and mod it to be PC compatible, would that make it mainstream enough for you?

Tastes are evolving while nomenclature doesen't.

Cherry switches are on the market since the time when buckling springs were commonly used and sold keyboards, and other producers are used to mimic whatever IBM was doing.

Now the average keyboards are softer than in the past and in the eastern countries the brown switch has completely superceded the clear ones (that are completely discontinued there).

So the concept of average switch is moved but the brown switches still have their old name.

So, we should not recommend buckling springs because people in China use brown switches? In other words, we should go by what other people buy whatever other people people buy. In other words we should all just use rubber dome keyboards, right? We certainly shouldn't be making magic mixes of random Cherry switches, because those sure as hell aren't "average"

[HaiiYaa]

So Reason, are you more or less confused on what switch to get now?

[Ink`Eyes]

I never heard about buckling springs, apls or topre with more than 2nrko

reds are too light

 
I just ran Aqua's test on my model M using PS/2 and I was able to press many combinations of 6 keys down at the same time without any errors.  Pressing 7 keys down at the same time always caused jamming.  However when I started pressing down Shift, the keyboard could only handle 4 keys down at the same time, the fifth key always jammed.  When I held down both Shift Keys at the same time, the keys t y [ ] \ z x c v m , . /  would not work at all.

[The Solutor]

But why?

 

Just read two pages back, I don't think that repeating something you don't wont to listen could be useful for anyone.

Again, this is from the guy who thinks we should all rip apart Cherry keyboards and mix them together

You can do whatever you want with your keyboards and with your likings and you cold still arguing about something you never tried, is not a problem for me.

But keeping scaring the newcomers just because something you don't like is not helpful for them. At all.

When you say "any", you mean to say "my".

You should sue the real life, like in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, whenever it differs from your likings, and this is the case.

Language barrier, as you say.

There's no language barrier here, and I never said it. Was a more than reasonable hypothesis by bhtooefr, he was too optimist.

Ok. So, if the OP were to buy a terminal IBM keyboard and mod it to be PC compatible, would that make it mainstream enough for you?

So you started mixing my opinions in a random way to impose your point of view ?

What has to do the pleasure of doing something for yourself (which is still a pleasure no matter what keyboard is taken in account) with the average likings of the keyboard users ?

So, we should not recommend buckling springs because people in China use brown switches?

You must be the guy that blend anything with his blender, he does it with iphones, you do it with my posts.

I suggest to mix the single letters instead of pieces of sentences, you will get more flexibility.

In other words we should all just use rubber dome keyboards, right?

This was already happened long time ago. Likely mech boards are the 0.1% of the whole market and BS are likely the the 10% or less of this nice.

If you don't like it there's always the option of suing the real world.

We certainly shouldn't be making magic mixes of random Cherry switches, because those sure as hell aren't "average"

As usual you start with reasonable sentences, and end with incredibly silly ones when you can't impose your POV.

[Ink`Eyes]

Try ASX.  Should block.  Unicomps are a bit different.

NKRO wiki has all the details.   I posted one where you can get 8 keys to register.

Yeah ASX jams it too.  That Wiki is a good read, I hadn't gotten that far into it when I posted before.

[keyboardlover]

At least that proves you're actually #1 at something.

[looserboy]

So I bought the filco ninja with brown switch 2 weeks ago
and it felt amazing at first... but as I type more and more on it, I just can't get myself to like it

the main problem for me is that the keys feel too light and there is barely no resistance at all against my fingers... they just seem to push down too effortlessly...

I spam same keys a lot over and over again when playing games (starcraft 2)
and the lack of the resistance when pressing the key is really unsatisfying for me...
when one key is pressed repeatedly very fast, it just feels like im sliding a piece of plastic up and down.... it doesn't feel like i'm actually pressing something...

and bottoming out the keys feels a bit off too...

can anyone else recommend other type of switch for me?

in your case you should use black switches or my switches. or clear (heavy) switches
because with your hard pressing you dont realise the bump or it is getting on your nervers while playing at all
as far as i have read your posting.

get a black switch keyboard or a my-switch keyboard that would make you rly happy^^ i tried a lot of switches and black switches are well for gaming and typing..
 they feel like browns without this little tiny bump that harasses you.

first of all you re buying a keyboard not for prestige you buy a keyboard for your rly needs! and black switches with doubleshots would make you rly happy^^

[The Solutor]

or you're an arrogant imbecile.

Typical of pointless fetishist sheep. When you can't "assimilate" other people, when you can't keep up with their toughs, start insulting them, maybe they reply with the same tone and will be banned.

Isn't it ?

[Ink`Eyes]

Typical of pointless fetishist sheep. When you can't "assimilate" other people, when you can't keep up with their toughs, start insulting them, maybe they reply with the same tone and will be banned.

Isn't it ?

Wait, I think I missed something.  Are you trolling your self now? lol