Author Topic: All RF 87U $300 on EK (till end of year). Leopold TKL (Black) with Red Switches $89 (Read 10740 times)

TheProfosist · « **Reply #50 on:** Wed, 14 December 2011, 21:50:23 »

Quote from: javifast;470946

Yes,....a very expensive Christmas.

Yes very very much so

burlburrbrian · « **Reply #51 on:** Wed, 14 December 2011, 21:53:54 »

I think I'm going to pick up a RF87U, though I still can't decide between the variable and 45g. I touch type and do mostly programming stuff. I don't play any games at the moment. Any advice? I also already have a HHKB Pro 2.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #52 on:** Wed, 14 December 2011, 21:57:02 »

Quote from: burlburrbrian;471023

I think I'm going to pick up a RF87U, though I still can't decide between the variable and 45g. I touch type and do mostly programming stuff. I don't play any games at the moment. Any advice? I also already have a HHKB Pro 2.

HHKB is 45g so go with the 45g sice thats what your used to and itll be easier to switch beteeen the 2.

ladiesman2927 · « **Reply #53 on:** Wed, 14 December 2011, 22:15:08 »

Quote from: burlburrbrian;471023

I think I'm going to pick up a RF87U, though I still can't decide between the variable and 45g. I touch type and do mostly programming stuff. I don't play any games at the moment. Any advice? I also already have a HHKB Pro 2.

The variable is engineered for those who use a formal method of typing in which each of the typist's individual fingers are used to type within specific 'zones' of the keyboard. If the typist does not adhere to this method of formal typing (i.e. the typist uses his ring finger to type 'a' instead of his pinky), then the appeal of the variable weighting to create a more ergonomic experience is lost. Observe the way that you type and base your decision from there.

Furthermore, a problem with the variable weighted RF's is that the keys designed for the pinkies to type on are so light that you are not able to rest your fingers on homerow without accidentally depressing 'a' and ';'. Personally, I didn't like the variable weight's feel and would recommend for you to go with the uniform 45g.

hashbaz · « **Reply #54 on:** Wed, 14 December 2011, 23:15:52 »

That "formal method of typing" is how most people are taught to type in school. It's nothing special. If you touch type, then you probably won't notice the Realforce's variable weighting (while typing at least). If you hunt and peck, its benefit is lost as ladiesman points out.

Jim66 · « **Reply #55 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 05:50:04 »

For some reason I haven't been able to access the EK website for the past couple of days. Is anyone else having this problem?

kinkng · « **Reply #56 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 09:50:25 »

Quote from: Jim66;471234

For some reason I haven't been able to access the EK website for the past couple of days. Is anyone else having this problem?

I just tried it and it works for me.

Jim66 · « **Reply #57 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 11:21:09 »

Quote from: ripster;471349

Did you insult Carl Matsu?

I don't think so...

I can't access EK from either Chrome or IE. Annoying.

hashbaz · « **Reply #58 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 12:00:01 »

Works for me as of three seconds ago.

litster · « **Reply #59 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 12:24:41 »

Works for me on all the browsers I use. Jim, it could be your computer, your proxy, or your ISP. Try it on your phone if you have internet access on your phone, or try it on a different computer or with a different internet connection.

RiGS · « **Reply #60 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 12:52:10 »

Quote from: ladiesman2927;471032

Furthermore, a problem with the variable weighted RF's is that the keys designed for the pinkies to type on are so light that you are not able to rest your fingers on homerow without accidentally depressing 'a' and ';'. Personally, I didn't like the variable weight's feel and would recommend for you to go with the uniform 45g.

That's BS. It has never happened to me.

ladiesman2927 · « **Reply #61 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 14:00:36 »

Lol I'm sure there are many other people that can attest to a's and ;'s spamming on their screen out of nowhere.

My sources? Google it

hashbaz · « **Reply #62 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 14:02:21 »

It's happened to me, but it's just a matter of getting used to the lightness. No biggie (for me at least).

ladiesman2927 · « **Reply #63 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 14:04:54 »

It can be a problem for WASD games. I found myself turning left randomly very oftenly and I had to consciously prevent my finger from fully resting on 'a'.

Kisakuku · « **Reply #64 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 14:05:58 »

Quote from: ladiesman2927;471535

it can be a problem for wasd games. I found myself turning left randomly very oftenly and i had to consciously prevent my finger from fully resting on 'a'.

esdf > wasd

Jim66 · « **Reply #65 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 14:06:12 »

Quote from: RiGS;471486

That's BS. It has never happened to me.

+1, I'm typing on one write now aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa;;;.

EDIT: No seriously it is BS, It has never happened to me. When my fingers are not typing they are very lightly touching the home row, I wouldn't say that I press them.

ladiesman2927 · « **Reply #66 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 14:18:21 »

Lol by calling it bs you're completely dismissing the problem from the keyboard. You should take into consideration the other people that rest their fingers on homerow with a slightly heavier touch.

Kisakuku · « **Reply #67 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 15:08:56 »

Quote from: ripster;471570

Stupidest design decision that Topre ever made.

Not the ABS spacebars? *gasp*

Kisakuku · « **Reply #68 on:** Thu, 15 December 2011, 15:37:08 »

Quote from: ripster;471590

OK. Second Stupidest.

But they made that one LOOOOooooonnngggg ago.

It's called the HOME ROW for a REASON Topre!

People who sit in the home row should get out more.

jpm804 · « **Reply #69 on:** Fri, 16 December 2011, 04:29:50 »

Any who was thinking of getting the 87UB 45g , there is one left so better get on it ... Also 6 left of the 87U 45g.

Got my boards nice and safe today....

Kisakuku · « **Reply #70 on:** Fri, 16 December 2011, 07:39:55 »

I hurd SC2 and WoW console ports are great.

Quote from: ripster;471712

Hah - look who's talking. You're an ESDF user. You haven't heard PC Gaming is Dead.

Anyhoo when you sell lots of key sets at $110 you can afford to drop prices on the keyboards.

RiGS · « **Reply #71 on:** Fri, 16 December 2011, 08:16:40 »

Quote from: ladiesman2927;471547

Lol by calling it bs you're completely dismissing the problem from the keyboard. You should take into consideration the other people that rest their fingers on homerow with a slightly heavier touch.

I have a heavier touch, and cherry blacks is my favourite switch, yet I have not experienced that problem with the RF.

ladiesman2927 · « **Reply #72 on:** Fri, 16 December 2011, 11:24:56 »

Good for you. The matter-of-fact is that many other owners experience the problem I stated earlier, including me.

The problem obviously pertains to some individuals while not to others. Don't be so close minded.

RiGS · « **Reply #73 on:** Fri, 16 December 2011, 11:47:08 »

I just wanted to share a different experience, though I agree it could be a problem with the lighter 30g keys on the 86u.
However the 87U variable has 35g pinkies.

Jim66 · « **Reply #74 on:** Fri, 16 December 2011, 11:53:05 »

Same for me, I just wanted to share my personal experience that I don't have a problem with variable weighted Topre. I didn't want potential buyers to miss out on the joys of typing on a variable weighted board based on your personal experience alone.

Perhaps I was a little zealous to jump on the BW band wagon. Sorry.

ladiesman2927 · « **Reply #75 on:** Fri, 16 December 2011, 11:53:42 »

My variable was an 86ub so if what you're saying is valid then that would explain why you didn't experience the same thing.

The 87u variable specs on ek lists the weighting as 30, 45, and 55g, and that was what I was going by when I was following through with my argument. Those specs could be wrong though for all I know.

Bongoojingie · « **Reply #76 on:** Sat, 17 December 2011, 05:36:28 »

Quote from: ripster;472163

Somebody check the 86 using the RipOmeter.

I don't have an 86U, but the Topre Uniform 30g I used for my mod RipOmetered exactly the same as the "35g" of the 87U variable. I'm not sure where the "35g" comes from, as Topre publishes it as 30g, and there doesn't appear to be a difference.

ascii · « **Reply #77 on:** Mon, 19 December 2011, 13:36:48 »

I just received my 87USB this morning along with a set of blue topre key caps.

Something is retarded with the key caps though. I'm sure this has been covered elsewhere, but I think someone screwed up in the "makes sense" department.

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I was going to swap around my ctrl and caps locks keys... but that's going to be even MORE confusing... Way to think things through guys.

tsangan · « **Reply #78 on:** Mon, 19 December 2011, 13:47:08 »

Quote from: ascii;473878

I just received my 87USB this morning along with a set of blue topre key caps.

Something is retarded with the key caps though. I'm sure this has been covered elsewhere, but I think someone screwed up in the "makes sense" department.

I was going to swap around my ctrl and caps locks keys... but that's going to be even MORE confusing... Way to think things through guys.

Yeah I don't why when you buy a RF 87U it comes with the changeable caps lock <->ctrl keys but with the 104 keyset it doesn't :frusty:

I just keep the ctrl and caps lock the keys the way it is but its really the other way around lol

ascii · « **Reply #79 on:** Mon, 19 December 2011, 13:49:33 »

well, it's odd, it seems to come with the changeable caps lock keys... just that someone screwed up and printed "Caps Lock" on the non-lit version that SHOULD say "Ctrl" and "Ctrl" on the smaller lit one that should say "Caps Lock"

TheProfosist · « **Reply #80 on:** Mon, 19 December 2011, 13:55:14 »

Quote from: ascii;473889

well, it's odd, it seems to come with the changeable caps lock keys... just that someone screwed up and printed "Caps Lock" on the non-lit version that SHOULD say "Ctrl" and "Ctrl" on the smaller lit one that should say "Caps Lock"

Looks that way to me Im glad I didnt get a set now and that would rather tick me off and well I cant get keys for my 23UB.

Kisakuku · « **Reply #81 on:** Mon, 19 December 2011, 18:30:07 »

Quote from: ascii;473889

well, it's odd, it seems to come with the changeable caps lock keys... just that someone screwed up and printed "Caps Lock" on the non-lit version that SHOULD say "Ctrl" and "Ctrl" on the smaller lit one that should say "Caps Lock"

No, the windowed keys are for 87U, the windowless ones are for 104U, same deal as the numlock. Those color sets don't have swapped capslock/ctrl keys for 87U.

tsangan · « **Reply #82 on:** Mon, 19 December 2011, 18:48:50 »

Quote from: Kisakuku;474077

No, the windowed keys are for 87U, the windowless ones are for 104U, same deal as the numlock. Those color sets don't have swapped capslock/ctrl keys for 87U.

So sad about that

Oh well my ctrl is my caps lock, and vice versa that's the best I can do

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Author Topic: All RF 87U $300 on EK (till end of year). Leopold TKL (Black) with Red Switches $89 (Read 10740 times)