new keyboard, hard decision

[cpar]

I am interested in buying a new keyboard. I have read alot about mechanical keyboards and I want one.
I was using a very cheap rubberdome keyboard forever and i want something new.

What i want to do with my keyboard is primarely playing Starcraft2 (and maybe some fps games as well).
I was looking for a cherry mx red or brown keyboard in europe, but that's a quite hard task i feel :/.

Finally i found two quite good keyboards i think:

The first possiblity is the Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry MX brown switches.

The other one would be the Cherry G80-3494LYCUS-2, which has Red switches.

since i have them to be shipped to switzerland, the filco would be about 160 euros, the cherry about 150 euros, really not big price difference, the cherry is slightly cheaper.

I think for typing both keyboards will work just fine and both support N-KRO or 6KRO over USB
So my question would be, what you think will suit me better. I know it's kind of a personal prefernece thing, but since there is NO opportunity of testing them in switzerland and mechanical keyboards are in general too expensive to buy for testing purposes, I have to try here .

I read alot about the Cherry Reds beeing the best choice for sc2, and they are almost impossible to get outside of asia, so that would be kind of a pro cherry keyboard. But I am afraid I might miss the tactile feel (or am i wrong that rubberdomes have something like a tactile feel? is it completely diffrent on cherry switches?). What you think? Is the tactile feel good or bad for gaming (especially like RTS spam heavy games)?

What you think of those two keyboards and what keyboard and why would you recommend it in my case, considering i am comming from a rubberdome keyboard?

thanks in advance and sorry for my not so good english, I don't speak it natively

[N8N]

Personally I find that the Filco feels much more solid than the Cherry keyboards, as it uses plate mounted switches.  So given the closeness in price I would go with the Filco.

The only reason I can think that you could make a case for buying the Cherry is if you were going to experiment with different stem/spring combinations.  The cherry is a great $40-50 keyboard, it's not a great $200 keyboard.

The other thing to consider is layout; the Cherry part number you mention is a US layout keyboard.  Is that what you want?  the keyboard co sells different layout filcos if you prefer German, French, etc.  What they don't sell is reds, but they do sell blacks if you think you might prefer a linear switch.

[cpar]

thanks for your answer! with the cherry not beeing worth the money idk... to me it seems like the g80 3000er series is a 50$ line, but the one i mentioned has n-kro. it might not be built as solid as the filco, but really the red switches were the reason i took it in consideration, i think it is the only keyboard in europe that has red switches atm?

and the layout doesnt really matter, because we have our own in switzerland (-.-') and it's diffrent from the german layout too, so it doesnt matter if it is us or german or whatever (only that the US has a bigger shift bar and is missing the button instead where we have "<>")

but the problem solved itself as i found a quite cheap keyboard like two hours ago. in a swiss online store i found a DasKeyboard model s ultimate silent, which is great, because the layout is no longer a problem, and if i am not making a huge mistake, the silent has brown switches?! It was like 130$ (which is about 70$ cheaper than the filco, for which i would have had to pay duty taxes) with next to no shipping costs (coz it's inland), which is unusual to have like international prizes in a swiss store^^. strange thing: the store mainly sells DVDs, but has a wide range of other things, including but not limitted to sex toys lmao x).

what you think of this choice? i am happy so far

[Clickey]

$50 for a cherry red board is ultra-cheap. If price is an issue, I would not say it is worth $150 to get a plate mounted board. You could check German ebay though, they will have cherries of every color and should not have a problem shipping to Switzerland.

Also there is a few Europeans on this forum and deskthority, which may have something. Try posting a WTB classified add.

[davkol]

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[powruser]

Yes the silent model has brown switches. I just received my first mechanical keyboard, it's a Filco Majestouch 1 Cherry Brown. I love it and I hope you love yours! I can tell this is going to be the blossoming of a brand new tech addiction... keyboards! Gotta try them all!

[cpar]

No there ain't no 50 $ Cherry reds.... Clickey got confused there, maybe because of my twisted phrasing.

As in my initial post mentioned, the cherry red would be 90 gbp which is about 140 $, probably around 200 $ including taxes and shipping.

Tomorrow though will arrive my cherry g80-3000LQCCH that i bought earlier, because in the discription was written it would be a soft tactile board, so I assumed it had to be mx browns, since there is no clear information on the cherry webside... i googled it and in some random forum someone talked about the LQ beeing mx browns, so i felt confirmed...  but it turned out there are mx clear switches inside, and they wouldn't let me return it, kind of pissed about that -.-'
should have found geekhack earlier, crap...
Hope they will send me my DAS soon, can't wait !

[VPX]

No there ain't no 50 $ Cherry reds.... Clickey got confused there, maybe because of my twisted phrasing.

As in my initial post mentioned, the cherry red would be 90 gbp which is about 140 $, probably around 200 $ including taxes and shipping.

Tomorrow though will arrive my cherry g80-3000LQCCH that i bought earlier, because in the discription was written it would be a soft tactile board, so I assumed it had to be mx browns, since there is no clear information on the cherry webside... i googled it and in some random forum someone talked about the LQ beeing mx browns, so i felt confirmed...  but it turned out there are mx clear switches inside, and they wouldn't let me return it, kind of pissed about that -.-'
should have found geekhack earlier, crap...
Hope they will send me my DAS soon, can't wait !

If it is the black one G80-3000LQCCH-2 it should be rather rare and you should appreciate it more.

[cpar]

Nope, it's the LQCCH-0, the grey one. But I think this one is pretty rare too, and I am looking forward to compare the clear switches with the browns! The thing that bothers me is that I just payed way too much i think, including express delivery I payed around 85$ for a cherry g80-3000, i was willing to pay it because it was the only keyboard with CH layout and brown switches i could find (or even exists at all?), at least that was what i thought...I might test it and sell it or keep it, anyway not too bad. I am just disappointed in the store for not taking it back... :/

[cpar]

Sooooo, my cherry g80-3000LQCCH-0 (grey and with Swiss layout) arrived today. I am typing this massage on it right now . The "Q" means it has cherry mx clear switches in it.
It is my first mechanical keyboard and i love it so far. The clear switches are pretty much like i expected them to be. If you bottom out all the time, it requires quite a bit of force, my hands are getting tired rather quick. But since you don't have to bottom out, I am trying to avoid it, and it's feeling better and better. But still, i think the brown switches will be way better to type on than the clears, thats why i wanted to order the brown in the first place but got this cherry with clears by misunderstanding of my part.... But i think i will keep this cherry board, since it feels great, and i think especially for fps games, the clear switches are pretty much the way to go.

I am a bit disappointed in the building quality though... I feel like the frame of the board is very soft, it almost bends... and i wouldnt want it to fall to the ground, i think you might have to burry it then.... i expect boards like a filco to be much more solid. but thats a price related question, so it's ok.

For starcraft2, which is what i play most of the time, i think the clear switches are a bit too stiff, I mean playing starcraft is almost like typing... But I am getting the DAS with the browns soon, so no problem there.

an advantage of the stiff keys is that you pretty much don't make any mistakes writing, you will hardly ever press an unwanted key.

If anyone wants, i can make some pictures i could upload, but since the cherry board looks pretty lame, especially in grey i think, i haven't made any pictures yet.

Greetings

[N8N]

Sooooo, my cherry g80-3000LQCCH-0 (grey and with Swiss layout) arrived today. I am typing this massage on it right now . The "Q" means it has cherry mx clear switches in it.
It is my first mechanical keyboard and i love it so far. The clear switches are pretty much like i expected them to be. If you bottom out all the time, it requires quite a bit of force, my hands are getting tired rather quick. But since you don't have to bottom out, I am trying to avoid it, and it's feeling better and better. But still, i think the brown switches will be way better to type on than the clears, thats why i wanted to order the brown in the first place but got this cherry with clears by misunderstanding of my part.... But i think i will keep this cherry board, since it feels great, and i think especially for fps games, the clear switches are pretty much the way to go.

I am a bit disappointed in the building quality though... I feel like the frame of the board is very soft, it almost bends... and i wouldnt want it to fall to the ground, i think you might have to burry it then.... i expect boards like a filco to be much more solid. but thats a price related question, so it's ok.

For starcraft2, which is what i play most of the time, i think the clear switches are a bit too stiff, I mean playing starcraft is almost like typing... But I am getting the DAS with the browns soon, so no problem there.

an advantage of the stiff keys is that you pretty much don't make any mistakes writing, you will hardly ever press an unwanted key.

If anyone wants, i can make some pictures i could upload, but since the cherry board looks pretty lame, especially in grey i think, i haven't made any pictures yet.

Greetings

You've precisely described why I said that for the small price difference you described between the Cherry and Filco in your market that I'd spend the few extra ducats for the Filco.  I personally think that the clears are a fantastic switch, but on the first board I had with them, a G80-8200 POS board, the flexiness of the PCB really annoyed me.  A Cherry board w/ browns is less annoying, I think the heavier springs of the clears exacerbate the flex, esp. on a big board like mine (wider than a standard 104-key.)  So I bought a Filco w/ browns, and changed the switches to clears.  (this was before Leopold released their "tactile force" models.)  Aaah, that's better.

Granted, either is better - markedly so - than the POS that I was using at work initially (probably a 7-8 year old Dell rubber dome salvaged from the server room - I was issued a laptop so I was on my own for finding a proper keyboard) or the one that followed it (a G81 server-width board that one of our techs picked up at a job site - but that one yielded some nice doubleshots for my Filco!) but for 10 euros, I would go with the Filco.

Now in all seriousness, since you *have* a Cherry board, I would say that if you can pick up some stems and springs from various different flavors of switches, it's easy enough to test drive the different switches before committing to a Filco.  I've traded stems/springs with a few members here, but I'm in the US... not sure how hard it would be to find browns over there.  But if you could get a set of browns and blacks, then you could try browns, blacks, *and* reds (a red is essentially a black with a brown spring) before buying a plate mount board which is much harder to mod.  If you're in the mood for some variety you could try blues as well, what the hey.

[cpar]

i think you got it wrong n8n, the question wether it be a filco with brown switches or a cherry with reds was decided by me, i wanted the brown switches. but i found a swiss store where they bought a cherry board described as soft tactile, the other options were linear and clickey tactile. i heard that clear switches are very rare, so i thought the soft tactile can only be brown swtiches, and some guy who doesn't know anything about keyboards apparently told me that the board i was considering indeed has brown switches, and because the cherry board i have now is much cheaper than the filco, and it would not have been importet with taxes and duties etc. i decided to go for a cherry with browns. Well after i purchased it, i realized that the particular board i bought had clear and not brown switches... i wouldn't buy another cherry, i think they are like cheap compared to other mechanical keyboards, but they are still way more expensive than most rubberdomes. but i feel like there are alot of rubberdomes that are built more solid than the cherry....

but i dont regret it, i can test the clear switches now and compare