Author Topic: Why all the ducky hate!? (Read 16103 times)

darktemp · « **on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:03:14 »

Hey everyone, this is a thread to ask why everyone has been hating on the duckys? Besides having cherry stabelizers that people all hate, what really can you complain about? The board seems to be built pretty strong, keys feel really smooth?

So come on guys, why all the hate?

slueth · « **Reply #1 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:05:56 »

Its probably because of the previous versions were bad, my friend got a faulty one, so they have a bad rep. This is not that their newer versions are bad.

cactux · « **Reply #2 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:17:28 »

poor quality

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #3 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:28:20 »

as i recently stated in this post
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?26588-wow-the-Ducky-9008-keyboard-sucks!&p=500370&viewfull=1#post500370

ducky's poor quality issue were only present in the dk1087xm and early models of the 9000 series. Their current main lineup, the 9008g2 and 9008s, have superb quality and imo are one best mechanical keyboards in terms of the cost-to-benefit ratio.

My reasoning for why there is so much hate for the ducky keyboards on this site is because there are alot of filco fanboys here.
Not to hate on them, but the Filcos are superfluously overpriced. You can get a Rosewill RK9000 for less than $100 nowadays and the only difference between those two keyboards is the badge.

daerid · « **Reply #4 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:32:28 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;502650

... the only difference between those two keyboards is the badge.

Has this been verified? Anybody open up the Rosewill and see what kind of daughter board is on it? The firmware can make a very big difference, even if all the other parts of the boards are the same.

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #5 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:40:54 »

Quote from: daerid;502651

Has this been verified? Anybody open up the Rosewill and see what kind of daughter board is on it? The firmware can make a very big difference, even if all the other parts of the boards are the same.

they are both made by Costar

cactux · « **Reply #6 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:47:39 »

You are talking about full size boards, rosewill can not compit against Filco in the TKL field, because they do not offer such product

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #7 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:48:12 »

i dont really care about TKL

and if ppl who are considering buying a ducky, then the only options are the full size keyboards cus they are not known for their TKL models.

cactux · « **Reply #8 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:49:41 »

^ You do not but you are not the only one around here

ekw808 · « **Reply #9 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:52:19 »

I have a ducky tiger edition number 326, and the casing is not perfectly aligned to the keycaps. I dont know if you can see it in my attached pics, but that imperfection is laughing at me and I don't know how much longer I can ignore it.... [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] 38973[/ATTACH] [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] 38974[/ATTACH]

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #10 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:54:20 »

i wasnt saying that rosewill is a direct competitor to Filco, just saying that there are other filco-like boards that can be bought for a lot less.
Take the CM Quickfire, it is a rebadged Filco TKL that is less than $100. Granted there are only blue switches in the US, but the other switches will come in due time.

daerid · « **Reply #11 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:57:31 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;502653

they are both made by Costar

I know that, but that just means Costar is a manufacturer. The firmware on board might be completely different.

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #12 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:58:32 »

Quote from: ekw808;502659

I have a ducky tiger edition number 326, and the casing is not perfectly aligned to the keycaps. I dont know if you can see it in my attached pics, but that imperfection is laughing at me and I don't know how much longer I can ignore it.... (Attachment Link) 38973[/ATTACH] (Attachment Link) 38974[/ATTACH]

It looks to me that the alignment issue only comes from the keycaps that u replaced. That fault doesnt lie with Ducky because they do not guarantee that all cherry keycaps will fit on their keyboard with perfect alignment. Plus, it doesnt seem to be that big of an alignment issue.

pitashen · « **Reply #13 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:58:50 »

Quote from: ekw808;502659

I have a ducky tiger edition number 326, and the casing is not perfectly aligned to the keycaps. I dont know if you can see it in my attached pics, but that imperfection is laughing at me and I don't know how much longer I can ignore it.... (Attachment Link) 38973[/ATTACH] (Attachment Link) 38974[/ATTACH]

Even Filco can have misaligned case as well. Well documented in ripster's macrip effect.

cactux · « **Reply #14 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 18:59:03 »

This is like getting married your first girlfriend. You do not have any other reference beside your grilfiend.
This is the same deal with boards, you need to have a few to compare and tell good from bad.

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #15 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 19:00:53 »

Quote from: daerid;502663

I know that, but that just means Costar is a manufacturer. The firmware on board might be completely different.

Then are you saying that a firmware warrants a $40-$50 increase in price even though they perform exactly the same?

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #16 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 19:04:55 »

Quote from: cactux;502667

This is like getting married your first girlfriend. You do not have any other reference beside your grilfiend.
This is the same deal with boards, you need to have a few to compare and tell good from bad.

I agree, but that doesnt mean that filcos should totally outclass everything else by a vast majority. Why can't we just say that Ducky's are good, but just not quite as good as Filco's. We don't have to spout such words as suck, or poor quality, or ****ty product.

Tempest790 · « **Reply #17 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 19:11:42 »

My first foray into the mechanical keyboard world is my Ducky Shine with Cherry MX blues. While I can't comment on the Filcos, I will say this keyboard is a major improvement over my old Logitech keyboard. I'm sure out there, there is the ultimate keyboard that is greater than any other, but my Ducky feels great for me. Plus Filco doesn't offer a backlit version, so it was a no-go for me anyway.

daerid · « **Reply #18 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 19:17:48 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;502669

Then are you saying that a firmware warrants a $40-$50 increase in price even though they perform exactly the same?

Not necessarily. I'm just asking. However, sub-par firmware can cause problems that a lot of people will mistake for hardware problems. I don't think it's worth an extra $50, but it is worth more.

ekw808 · « **Reply #19 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 19:18:08 »

Its not the keycap problem its the actual switch alignment.

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laffindude · « **Reply #20 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 19:21:57 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;502669

Then are you saying that a firmware warrants a $40-$50 increase in price even though they perform exactly the same?

You're assuming it perform exactly the same, which they don't. Try a G2 on a Mac.
I've heard that Ducky 9000 is built by Costar also. Filco still has more consistent QC than other stuff that comes out of the same factory.

cactux · « **Reply #21 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 19:27:22 »

^ Not because they come from the same factory the quality control is the same. Some custmers specialy Japanes request an aditional set of quality assurance process during and after manufacturing

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #22 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:13:53 »

ok, look, my point is not that X or Y brand is the same as Filco. What I am trying to say is that there are other keyboards that are almost as good as them that can be bought for a lot less. If you have lots of money to kill, sure go ahead and spend $150+ on a Filco, but i assume that for a majority of the people here, we have to take into consideration the cost-to-benefit ratio, or in layman's term, bang for your buck. Therefore, what i was trying to saywith my rosewill vs filco or cm vs filco statement was that keyboards made by the same company with similar quality control can be bought for dollars less. There maybe a few bad batches here and there for the keyboards with less quality control, but for the most part, they are virtually the same.

Thus, Filco's should not be the go to keyboard that everyone should idolize over. They may be great keyboards, but they do not stand alone at the top of the pyramid. Ducky's, rebadged Filcos (Rosewill and CM), and leopolds are behind Filcos in terms of quality, but not by much. However, when you consider price, imo ,they beat Filcos by a long stretch.

slueth · « **Reply #23 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:19:54 »

As a consumer you can choose what you want.

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #24 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:25:33 »

Quote from: slueth;502746

As a consumer you can choose what you want.

yes, but i feel that people are biased towards Filcos just because everyone else says that they are better.
Its as if people don't take into account prices when comparing keyboards.

laffindude · « **Reply #25 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:34:38 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;502737

ok, look, my point is not that X or Y brand is the same as Filco. What I am trying to say is that there are other keyboards that are almost as good as them that can be bought for a lot less.

Really?

Quote from: CaiSter21;502650

My reasoning for why there is so much hate for the ducky keyboards on this site is because there are alot of filco fanboys here.
Not to hate on them, but the Filcos are superfluously overpriced. You can get a Rosewill RK9000 for less than $100 nowadays and the only difference between those two keyboards is the badge.

Quote from: CaiSter21;502660

Take the CM Quickfire, it is a rebadged Filco TKL that is less than $100.

You paid how much for a Ducky Shining?

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #26 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:39:09 »

i bought my ducky on an ebay auction for $140 along with a new razer abyssus, a 3m wr310le wrist rest, and a diablo 3 qck mousepad

i got really lucky

slueth · « **Reply #27 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:41:52 »

that a ducking awesome deal ...

laffindude · « **Reply #28 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:43:23 »

You don't see the irony of calling Filcos a ripoff when they're 150 shipped, vs 145 for a Ducky Shining + shipping?

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #29 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:47:05 »

Quote from: laffindude;502777

You don't see the irony of calling Filcos a ripoff when they're 150 shipped, vs 145 for a Ducky Shining + shipping?

Ducky Shinings are backlit, so no

laffindude · « **Reply #30 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:50:28 »

Apparently LED are worth $50+. You called us Filco fanboys, and now we know what you are.

Deverica Wolf · « **Reply #31 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 20:51:50 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;502737

Thus, Filco's should not be the go to keyboard that everyone should idolize over. They may be great keyboards, but they do not stand alone at the top of the pyramid. Ducky's, rebadged Filcos (Rosewill and CM), and leopolds are behind Filcos in terms of quality, but not by much. However, when you consider price, imo ,they beat Filcos by a long stretch.

You quickly forget about the price when you start typing on one. :drum:

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #32 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:13:03 »

Quote from: laffindude;502782

Apparently LED are worth $50+. You called us Filco fanboys, and now we know what you are.

on wat site does shipping cost more than $15?

Ducky shines are at most $20 more than a Filco within the US.

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #33 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:13:41 »

As a college student, i never forget about price

laffindude · « **Reply #34 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:17:11 »

How much is it over a Rosewill? Since Rosewill = Filco according to you.

HeavyArms · « **Reply #35 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:19:12 »

These "Filco fanboys" exist because Filco brand keyboards are some of the best quality boards your precious little fingertips can get in touch with, not because they are a fad. There is no perfect company, Filco has had it's issues as well.

Deadly55 · « **Reply #36 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:22:15 »

Quote from: laffindude;502804

How much is it over a Rosewill? Since Rosewill = Filco according to you.

99.99 when it's not on sale.. been that way since they launched..

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #37 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:24:54 »

Quote from: HeavyArms;502805

These "Filco fanboys" exist because Filco brand keyboards are some of the best quality boards your precious little fingertips can get in touch with, not because they are a fad. There is no perfect company, Filco has had it's issues as well.

As previously stated, Filcos may be the best quality-wise, but when u also look at the cost of owning one, it doesnt seem that appealing when other keyboards that are almost as good can be bought for alot less.

Also Rosewills are generally $100-110.

squarebox · « **Reply #38 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:29:47 »

Rosewill = USD$100
Filco = USD$140

Rosewill is basically a Filco MJ1.
If you are on budget and dont mind the fugly branding, get the Rosewill.
If you have a little more to spend and cant stand the fugly branding, get the Filco.

After owning so many keyboards, if I can do it all again, I will only buy Filco and Cherry.

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #39 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:34:33 »

Quote from: squarebox;502813

Rosewill = USD$100
Filco = USD$140

Rosewill is basically a Filco MJ1.
If you are on budget and dont mind the fugly branding, get the Rosewill.
If you have a little more to spend and cant stand the fugly branding, get the Filco.

thats wat im been trying to say all along.
i expect that most people are on a budget. Therefore, they have to consider prices when buying a keyboard. Based on the cost-to-benefit ratio, a lot of other keyboards are better than the Filcos.

cactux · « **Reply #40 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:36:55 »

^ Vintage yes new ones I do not think so. Beside topre boards ;-)

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #41 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:39:19 »

How are the latest filcos the best in terms of cost-to-benefit?
do plz explain...

lol, lets leave topres and alps out of this. only Cherries.

cactux · « **Reply #42 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:41:18 »

Define benefit?

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #43 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:43:45 »

^build quality and options (such as backlighting, pbt caps, media keys)

laffindude · « **Reply #44 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:43:58 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;502816

thats wat im been trying to say all along.

Read through your own posts again. You backpedaled into this position.

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #45 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:49:12 »

how did i backpedal into that position. from the very start, i talked about cost-to-benefit and how rosewills are rebadged filcos.

also, u have yet to address my response to your statement on LED's adding a $50+ pricetag

slueth · « **Reply #46 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:51:05 »

caister, man give it up, I think we get the point lol, dragging this on won't change peoples minds, there are still people willing to front the cash to pay for the filco, there are still people who think duckys sucky.

cactux · « **Reply #47 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:51:47 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;502822

^build quality and options (such as backlighting, pbt caps, media keys)

If you choose the GH community as an example ( people that love boards). The core keyboard users know how to touchtype, so that usless lights are not needed nor the media keys (how offten those usless keys get use?). I am agree with the PBT keycaps ;-)

squarebox · « **Reply #48 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:53:01 »

Backlighting = fanboys (cant see in the dark? use the money for some proper typing class)
PBT = overrated... wait till you try POM
Media keys = nice feature but how often does one use them? if so, there's Autohotkey

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #49 on:** Sun, 29 January 2012, 21:54:12 »

nothing wrong with having a little backlight when ur typin or gaming in the dark. It adds some ambience to a person's computer setup

and i also touch type, so dont bash at me about learning to type.

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Author Topic: Why all the ducky hate!? (Read 16103 times)