[IC] GMK sets interest check and planning

[pix3l_fodder]

want a white on black iso ds set! for the love of god i hope thats an option!

[bazemk1979]

want a white on black iso ds set! for the love of god i hope thats an option!

it isn't, combo is black for modifiers and the alpha numeric as the original dolch grey aka in retro style

[Moosecraft]

want a white on black iso ds set! for the love of god i hope thats an option!

it isn't, combo is black for modifiers and the alpha numeric as the original dolch grey aka in retro style

Slightly darker than dolch grey if I'm not mistaken.

[Broadmonkey]

Yes, it will be a darker version of Dolch

OH, and also... I will go ahead and announce the winner, which little surprise is grey with 53% of votes and runner up blue with 39%. That means we will be doing darker Dolch like scheme.

[Halvar]

want a white on black iso ds set! for the love of god i hope thats an option!

it isn't, combo is black for modifiers and the alpha numeric as the original dolch grey aka in retro style

Slightly darker than dolch grey if I'm not mistaken.

That's what I remember, too.

So if you want a white on black ISO DS set, you can either decide to settle on white-on-dark-grey alphas, which will be in this GB in several national layouts.

Or you could combine a vintage Cherry white-on-black ANSI set with just the modifiers from this GB. That's not a 100% ISO UK set of course, but it's a pretty good option nevertheless..

[Moosecraft]

I will order a set for sure, gotta love GMK

[IvanIvanovich]

It will resemble something like this...

[LONGZILLA]

It will resemble something like this...
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Good looking color scheme.

[Moosecraft]

It will resemble something like this...
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DOLCH DOLCH DOLCH

[LechnerDE]

Looking forward to this GB. I think we have a goood chance to reach MOQ with it!

Wasn't too surprising that grey won

[korrelate]

Dolch on the Dark Side. I'm in.

[SeriouSSpotS]

So pumped

[bueller]

It will resemble something like this...
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Looks like I'll be buying two sets then!

[inlikeflynn]

It will resemble something like this...
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so the alpha's are going to be darker gray? Same dark gray as the modifiers? Or in other words if I take my scitex board and put black mods on it it will be this GB is?

[agor]

Looks incredibly good. Probably in for 2 Sets aswell

[IvanIvanovich]

Yes, the alphas will be like the Dolch modifiers color, with black mods. If you want to do a favor and stick some white on black mods on your scitex and snap picture it would probably be a lot better than my debrightnessed 1813 picture.

[damorgue]

Good idea! Lowering the brightness of the entire image just makes it look there was less lightning when the photo was taken and doesn't affect the colour you interpret the item to have. Your image actually looks like like a dolch with less lightning in the room and I would guess that it doesn't represent the end result very well. A real photo like that would be really useful to accurately portray the end result and perhaps make people more sure of their orders, increase the number of them and have an easier time hitting MOQ.

[Photoelectric]

I'm sad that it started out as an opportunity to get interesting colorful sets (like the unusual purple modifiers and the CMYK set), but devolved into a plain black + very dark gray set for this round.  The redeeming factor for actual Dolch sets is that they have an interesting creamy tone to the grays and are light enough to not be "plain Jane black".

[IvanIvanovich]

I feel you, but remember that these kind of neutral keys will mix well with other things in the future with white legends or color legends on dark keys. I don't think it's a bad plan to get the neutral things like this or black on white/beige done so people are happy and might be more inclined to go for colors after that.

[SeriouSSpotS]

Totally agree.

[bueller]

Yep me too. Once this is done it would be cool to do some color schemes like below, do some bright alphas with white mods and then people can pair them up with other mods as well for a more traditional looking color scheme. Or just go one solid color for the whole lot with an additional mod color available. Doesn't have to be blue but this illustrated my point, if we're careful with colorway selection we can get some interesting alphas that will work as a standalone set or in conjunction with stuff people have already purchased.





Blue Alphas/Dolch Mods

[LechnerDE]

The upper one is soooo ****ing awesome! But I guess we shouldn't get all hyped up on new sets before the current ones are being produced

[SeriouSSpotS]

We'll just have to wait...

[agor]

Please don't think the need for Dolch is fulfilled by originative, as there are other layouts on earth than just ansi.

[rindorbrot]

*impatiently awaits Ivan with updated pricing*

[damorgue]

so the alpha's are going to be darker gray? Same dark gray as the modifiers? Or in other words if I take my scitex board and put black mods on it it will be this GB is?

Please do and take pictures. It would be VERY helpful.

[BimboBB]

There is a picture of the Scitex Board on DT Wiki: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-1824

But yes, would be even better to see a picture with black modifiers.


Anyway, I am glad that grey made it. 

[IvanIvanovich]

Sorry for the hold up, there have been some concerns about legends so making sure to have all of that worked out first.

[damorgue]

Sorry for the hold up, there have been some concerns about legends so making sure to have all of that worked out first.

Have the layouts of the sets been roughly finalized? Eg: stepped caps lock, fulltouch caps lock or both? Any windowed caps? I don't remember if you already said what was the deal with windows legend. Control/Caps Lock exchange? There are probably more of these details which people might be interested in. I am unsure what legends GMK has.

[IvanIvanovich]

Some of the languages we are asking for have not been made by GMK yet so they have to check them against the tooling inventory which is taking some time. I updated the OP with current charts of what I requested for each pack.

[Halvar]

I updated the OP with current charts of what I requested for each pack.

Wow, that's terrific, Ivan! I imagine you must have spend hours and hours to assemble the legends for these international packs. Here's to a huge success, and that GMK can handle it. I guess this will be one of the most demanding orders they have had so far.

[IvanIvanovich]

I have to give props to 7bit for doing most of the work on the Euro pack contents.

[osxoep]

Nice.
Can't wait to see pricing. Looking to get at least 1 alpha set and 1 GB extra. If the price is right probably gonna get one more + mods.

[nilpt]

Good job!
I notice one key missing in the "Alpha language pack 2" -  PT layout "4" is:


The home keys "FJ" will be deep dished? Any options?
Thanks.

[Moosecraft]

Scoops, I need scoops

[domoaligato]

Scoops, I need scoops

Two Scoops!

[IvanIvanovich]

Scooped F J home keys of course. There are some key variants that are missing the third alt gr legend, in an attempt to keep the number of keys down. Some of those could be reduced even further if cost is too high for example we could only have a single * + key <> key and so on.

[damorgue]

Are the windows logo pad printed or DS? As a general inquiry, do they have the molds for an older type win logo as well as the win8 logo?

[LechnerDE]

Hey Ivan,

do you really think we should go for so many keys in the language pack 2?

There are so many caps that are almost the same. I think we should just ignore tertiary legends like this (just keep the circled ones)



Otherwise this language pack will be more expensive than the base set...

Just an idea though. I appreciate all the hard work you already put into this!

[Halvar]

I'd rather have the large pack and the full legends. Making compromises for 13 keys isn't worth it, given how many caps there are in the whole set.

If you want to save on something, I'd rather scrap all the blanks and number row keys that come with the base alpha set. Nobody will want to use that without a language pack anyway IMO.

[LechnerDE]

I am fine with the full set, I am just afraid it will be so expensive that many people will be discouraged to participate in this GB and we won't be able to reach MOQ with this set.

Btw, I didn't even realize those are supposed to be blanks in the base set. I just thought Ivan used an old mockup and was to lazy to delete the extra caps

[domoaligato]

I think it looks great the way it is.
Great work Lysol!

[rowdy]

Yep me too. Once this is done it would be cool to do some color schemes like below, do some bright alphas with white mods and then people can pair them up with other mods as well for a more traditional looking color scheme. Or just go one solid color for the whole lot with an additional mod color available. Doesn't have to be blue but this illustrated my point, if we're careful with colorway selection we can get some interesting alphas that will work as a standalone set or in conjunction with stuff people have already purchased.

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Rowdy is still waiting for the inverse of this with a darker blue, which has been rumoured in various guises and from various places for at least a year now.

Although it will be an uphill struggle to fund yet another keycap set at the moment.

[IvanIvanovich]

Actually the EURO pack price will probably be the same as the base set price, or very close as it is. It's true we could get the price down by removing those extra 3rd legend versions, but I don't see the fun in not doing the layouts right. I think those little details are one of the things that may draw in more people by having their correct layout. But it's just a guess.
I want to keep in the BASE set the blank and numbers row without any shifted legends as an option for all the people who use other national layout that can't be included right now. I think it may be a good compromise situation as one can use those generic keys which some may feel are better than a wrong character. Additionally the blank keys can come in handy on some other keyboards like 75% or 122key, some may prefer the less busy look of the numbers only , or they could be used as the upper deck of function keys on a 122.

Windows and menu keys are doubleshots. There is not mold for old style 9x Windows logo, all those were always pad print on Cherry keyboards. GMK made their own windows doubleshots in the last years 7 and now 8 style.

[Tarzan]

Blanks are also very handy for those of us with keyboards with media or macro keys - like the CM Storm Trigger.

I really appreciate the attention to detail on the Euro legends, it'll make it much easier to swap key sets on many ISO boards.

Actually the EURO pack price will probably be the same as the base set price, or very close as it is. It's true we could get the price down by removing those extra 3rd legend versions, but I don't see the fun in not doing the layouts right. I think those little details are one of the things that may draw in more people by having their correct layout. But it's just a guess.
I want to keep in the BASE set the blank and numbers row without any shifted legends as an option for all the people who use other national layout that can't be included right now. I think it may be a good compromise situation as one can use those generic keys which some may feel are better than a wrong character. Additionally the blank keys can come in handy on some other keyboards like 75% or 122key, some may prefer the less busy look of the numbers only , or they could be used as the upper deck of function keys on a 122.

[korrelate]

Blanks are also very handy for those of us with keyboards with media or macro keys - like the CM Storm Trigger.

I really appreciate the attention to detail on the Euro legends, it'll make it much easier to swap key sets on many ISO boards.

Actually the EURO pack price will probably be the same as the base set price, or very close as it is. It's true we could get the price down by removing those extra 3rd legend versions, but I don't see the fun in not doing the layouts right. I think those little details are one of the things that may draw in more people by having their correct layout. But it's just a guess.
I want to keep in the BASE set the blank and numbers row without any shifted legends as an option for all the people who use other national layout that can't be included right now. I think it may be a good compromise situation as one can use those generic keys which some may feel are better than a wrong character. Additionally the blank keys can come in handy on some other keyboards like 75% or 122key, some may prefer the less busy look of the numbers only , or they could be used as the upper deck of function keys on a 122.

I Heartily agree with this blanks notion!

- Although I don't own a Ducky it seems most of their come with the +4 media keys.
- Redline's Full Size comes with +4, etc. I'm sure there are others.

Especially because the icons on these stock keys are usually pretty disgusting.

[inlikeflynn]

Ok here are images of the actual colors on an actual keyboard. And yes it does look awesome in person and everyone should buy 2 sets when the GB begins 
-white-on-black modifiers are just the normal ones from any Cherry keyboard
-white-on-DARK-gray alpha+num are from a scitex board and are the same DARK gray color as the modifiers on a standard Dolch keyboard
--I put it in a beige case as the dark gray scitex made it too hard to see the differences




And yes the F1-F4 are blue-on-dark-gray and in my humble opinion this color scheme with blue like here or green text would look way better

[SpAmRaY]

Ok here are images of the actual colors on an actual keyboard. And yes it does look awesome in person and everyone should buy 2 sets when the GB begins 
-white-on-black modifiers are just the normal ones from any Cherry keyboard
-white-on-DARK-gray alpha+num are from a scitex board and are the same DARK gray color as the modifiers on a standard Dolch keyboard
--I put it in a beige case as the dark gray scitex made it too hard to see the differences

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And yes the F1-F4 are blue-on-dark-gray and in my humble opinion this color scheme with blue like here or green text would look way better

If they could do a bright green legend that would be wicked!

[Elrick]

Couldn't care less what colour scheme is chosen as long as it's made by GMK.

I can almost lick the juicy thickness of those babies, no matter what colour they're in.  Please Ivan, make up your mind on the final colour - so that we can send you the moolah.

[bueller]

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I am so freaking excited for this, those are going to look amazing with the purple mods