It's a simple fact that the original Kone had an issue with broken wheels and that some people RMAed their Kone 4 times just to see the 5th braking again. Again, at no point did i say that Roccat still has quality issues, but this whole story still gives them a bad reputation (at least in the eyes of some people).
doesn't really matter whether it's a "simple fact" or a complex fact. what you don't get is that i'm not arguing your point here. i take your word for it that there were broken wheels on Kone mice.
and now you've changed your wording to "at no point did i say that Roccat still has quality issues. true, Roccat might not have quality issues now. time will tell.
I didn't change the wording on purpose (the meaning is the same), the present tense alone wasn't enough for you to understand that I'm talking about the present anyway.
i'd never heard of roccat's bad reputation in the past.
That just means that you aren't as educated on that matter as you thought.
there are probably some who are very spiteful toward roccat. some people have difficulty and want to live in the past, rather than the present.
So now you are pretty much agreeing on my original statement.
Why do you come up with the MX500?
to provide exhibit A that the great grandfather of today's logitech gaming mice was not labeled as a "gaming mouse" by the manufacturer (logitech). furthermore, i highly doubt logitech, at the release of the mx500 mouse, was a full-blown gaming company. if you were to look at the logitech website under the us website version, there's still barely, and i emphasize barely, any reference to gaming at all.
now, if you look at the de version of logitech, you'll see a gaming mouse prominently displayed on the homepage of logitech de.
so in this case, i'm right in my opinion that logitech is not emphasizing the gaming aspect of the website. however, we can see that you are right about logitech de, in that it is well, maybe a full-blown gaming organization.
I never called Logitech a "full-blown gaming company", I called them a big gaming brand (because they are the biggest manufacturer of gaming mice).
If you insist on looking on Logitech's us-webpage you may notice that one of their 3 sub-pages is "Gaming" ("Ultimate Ears"and "for business" are the other 2), just saying.
German design is certainly not legendary for being flashy.
uh-huh. http://www.lamborghini.com/de/home/#!slide/3009. German owned Lamborghini. nothing flashy about those cars eh? how about Audi R8? 550hp. nothing flashy there either? how about Porsche 911 GT3? yea, you're right, nothing flashy about that. or the carrera GT. or basically any BMW, nothing flashy about those. you know what? i find myself agreeing with you. nothing flashy about any of those cars. how many people do you think will agree with us? answer: not many
Lamborghini is still owned by Audi, respectively VW. Lambos are designed and manufactured in Italy which makes them Italian Cars, they don't become German just because the company is owned by a German one.
Since when is a car flashy because of the hp under the hood? Rolls Royce certainly disagrees.
The R8 is kind of Audi's version of the Gallardo, which is in probaly most eyes way more flashy.
GT3 is rather flashy, basic 911 not so much. Dunno what's so flashy about a BMW.
German supercars aren't flashy compared to other supercar manufacturers.
Kind of funny that you argue the "flashyness" of german cars mainly with their supercars which obviously only makes a small percentage of their cars but at the same time you insist to not call Logitech a gaming brand (in a discussion about gaming mice) because they make many other non-gaming products.
Sure I heard of them but I don't play CS, not my game, although I sometimes watch some matches. Still no reason to rate peoples choice of mouse based on their skill, especially if they are sponsored, which often limits their options.
I know that thread on ESReality but I find labeling sensors (or their particular implementation in a certain mouse) as flawless rather stupid and not helpful.Btw, I wouldn't even put the MLT04 in that category if I would have to.
that's fine that you don't play cs. just wanted to get a feel for your general gaming knowledge.
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Not sure if trolling or stupid... Probably both.
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if you're going to come in with a troll blast, you should probly name the offender, else no one knows who you're referring to. just sayin'
At least we can agree on that.
To settle the original argument I contacted a trustworthy source in that matter, not surprisingly he wants to keep it of the record, so I won't name him and only summarize his statement.
Yes, the whole story with the Kone did hurt Roccat's image and it isn't simply a thing that is forgotten and lays in the past, especially in Germany because at that time Roccat was only present in Europe.
Not that you will believe me that anyway.
Imho it speaks for Roccat that they're still around, it could have sunk them.
