When dealing with other geekhackers does age matter?

[SpAmRaY]

Just an extension from a question in the simple answers thread...

Do you ever consider age when dealing with fellow geekhackers? 

Is it important to know the age of people, especially when dealing in the classifieds/group buys/IC's etc? 

Or in general just understand and interacting with people on the forum, does age affect that?

Of course people could always lie    <- this wasn't a challenge btw

Let's hear some thoughts! 

[CPTBadAss]

The discussion stemmed from this post in Simple Questions, Simple Answers.

I personally always try and remember how old people are. For example, both jdcarpe and SmallFry "love" (read dislike) when I call everyone kid in the IRC chat. But they dislike it for different reasons. Depending on your age will often determine how people will act and might even explain certain quirks about people.

Just for reference, I tend to interact with the younger crowd on GH and I am a recent college graduate. I think people who frequent IRC know my real age though 

[therecorder]

OK...  I'm 65...  Does this mean that I get a Senior Citizen Discount on Group Buys

[Halverson]

OK...  I'm 65...  Does this mean that I get a Senior Citizen Discount on Group Buys

hehehe

[esoomenona]

im 12 and what is this

[SpAmRaY]

im 12 and what is this

You've got some mad beard skills for a 12 year old.

And I guess I honestly have not though a lot about the dealings I have had so far with fellow geekhackers.

I'm in my 30's and tend to forget some of you are in high school still (and there is nothing wrong with that), and perhaps some of you are enjoying retirement!!

I would 'assume' most geekhackers are between 18-30 but I could be way off.

I think my biggest concern is doing $xxx.xx business with a 'kid' for lack of a better term who perhaps gets his money from his mom's purse when she isn't looking. I realize this is the internet and you can be who you want blah blah but for realz people don't be doing deals with Yo Mamma's money.....unless of course she wants a mechanical keyboard. (I actually plan on geting my mother a mechanical keyboard for her birthday.)

[esoomenona]

What does it matter to you whether the kid steals money from his mother's purse? The transaction is still valid. The other part is between the child and mother and has nothing to do with you.

[alaricljs]

The only time there's an age issue is when there's an issue. 

In the US there are legal ramifications to dealing with a minor in financial or contractual terms.

[SpAmRaY]

What does it matter to you whether the kid steals money from his mother's purse? The transaction is still valid. The other part is between the child and mother and has nothing to do with you.

Until the off-duty policeman dad shows up at your door wanting the $500 back because all his kid got was an irritatingly loud keyboard 

[Tym]

What does it matter to you whether the kid steals money from his mother's purse? The transaction is still valid. The other part is between the child and mother and has nothing to do with you.

Tym Input here: I once dealt (on eBay) with someone who bought an Xbox game off me and it turned out it was a child who had stolen the money of his father and the father wanted the money back but refused to return the game and was making all sorts of interesting threats which ranged from "Tracking me down" to "Calling the Police" because some how it was my fault.

[SmallFry]

Age, in my opinion, has nothing to do with how responsible someone is. For example, TheProfosist has absolutely no control over his GB anymore, yet he is nearly 25(?). Being in high school has its challenges of navigating between sports, extra curriculars, and actual study as most students are in a classroom for 8 hours a day. College students seem to have a bit more freedom due to their schedules. 

[esoomenona]

What does it matter to you whether the kid steals money from his mother's purse? The transaction is still valid. The other part is between the child and mother and has nothing to do with you.

Tym Input here: I once dealt (on eBay) with someone who bought an Xbox game off me and it turned out it was a child who had stolen the money of his father and the father wanted the money back but refused to return the game and was making all sorts of interesting threats which ranged from "Tracking me down" to "Calling the Police" because some how it was my fault.

Except there is nothing he could do. The deal was done.

Age, in my opinion, has nothing to do with how responsible someone is. For example, TheProfosist has absolutely no control over his GB anymore, yet he is nearly 25(?). Being in high school has its challenges of navigating between sports, extra curriculars, and actual study as most students are in a classroom for 8 hours a day. College students seem to have a bit more freedom due to their schedules. 

I feel like defending people in certain generalities is useless. People are different.

[SpAmRaY]

Age, in my opinion, has nothing to do with how responsible someone is. For example, TheProfosist has absolutely no control over his GB anymore, yet he is nearly 25(?). Being in high school has its challenges of navigating between sports, extra curriculars, and actual study as most students are in a classroom for 8 hours a day. College students seem to have a bit more freedom due to their schedules. 

just wait until 20 credit hours, four labs and a part time job, freedom..meh      I kid...just a little....college is what you make of it and yes its glorious to have some freedom but that is often a double edge sword.

And your right being 'older' does not necessarily equal responsibility, just as being 'younger' does not always mean irresponsible.

I'm just curious if most people even think about, I had not really until now. 

[fohat.digs]

If by "dealing with" you are referring to doing business, then it should not matter too much. People don't change in morality very much.

On the other hand, as an old man, I find that my attitudes, feelings, and passions are very different than they were a few decades ago.

Some things have lost their interest to me, and others have become more important.

Most significantly, I "feel" that the world (ie the human race) has become a much uglier and more cynical place than it was when I was young.

[esoomenona]

Most significantly, I "feel" that the world (ie the human race) has become a much uglier and more cynical place than it was when I was young.

Because it's changed or because you actually pay attention now?

[SpAmRaY]

If by "dealing with" you are referring to doing business, then it should not matter too much. People don't change in morality very much.

On the other hand, as an old man, I find that my attitudes, feelings, and passions are very different than they were a few decades ago.

Some things have lost their interest to me, and others have become more important.

Most significantly, I "feel" that the world (ie the human race) has become a much uglier and more cynical place than it was when I was young.

At first I was just thinking dealing as in selling things.

But also in general because different generations of people have their own way of thinking about things and saying things.

I often find it hard to relate to other age groups.

And I realize there are other demographics that affect these things besides age, I am mostly just curious!

[SmallFry]

I find that I mostly converse well with adults, more than my peers. Just my take though.

[Photekq]

As a general rule I find people under the age of 17 to be less responsible, but this doesn't stop me from dealing with them and it is a very general rule. I just tend to take a few more precautions for example specifying exactly what delivery service I want them to use, and to tell them to make sure they package the item properly. Just like every other rule there are plenty of exceptions and I try my very best to be an exception.

Also, there are of course plenty of people over the age of 17 who are irresponsible aswell.

[jwaz]

Most significantly, I "feel" that the world (ie the human race) has become a much uglier and more cynical place than it was when I was young.

Because it's changed or because you actually pay attention now?

Doesn't this pretty much happen to everyone, loss of naivety is part of growing up.

Back on the topic of the OP, of course it matters. I'm not trying to say you should never ever do internet business with a minor... but keep in mind they often don't have a steady income or much real world experience, this makes me very hesitant. Also quite a few of those accused of running scams  have been pretty young. (Again, not saying all... just pointing to a trend.)

[vun]

Most significantly, I "feel" that the world (ie the human race) has become a much uglier and more cynical place than it was when I was young.

Because it's changed or because you actually pay attention now?

I suspect that it could be because everything these days is way more global, so you frequently have to deal with people outside of your monkeysphere, and the news don't help either. "Back in the day" there was far more human interaction and often it'd be a case of everyone knowing everyone and stores often relying on good service rather than ditching service to cut prices like a lot do these days.
This is, however, just something I think is contributing to what seems to be a rise in cynicism, I don't have anything to actually back it up. I'm not all that old either, so I can't say I know too much from experience.



Edit:
As for the age thing; I think part of the younger people on the 'net are fairly mature for their age, could be because on the internet they often have to interact with older people. But if they interact mostly with people their own age, on Steam and whatnot, then you get the mess that is the comments on everything TF2 related.

[fohat.digs]

Because it's changed or because you actually pay attention now?

As far as the media goes, everything is always "in your face" all the time. This, in turn, keeps the populace in a frenzy about everything.

If idiots and goofballs just got ignored, they would probably just crawl back in their holes and not influence anybody.

When my father was a boy, the President of the United States was pretty much confined to a wheelchair and carried on a blatant and obvious affair with his secretary for years on end.

The press ignored this altogether and the vast majority did not have a clue about any of it.

Can you imagine that today?

Now, the press ignores secret political contributions and credit default swaps. What is more harmful to our society as a whole?

[Dubsgalore]

age is only a number :3

but seriously, when i was younger, as in 14, 15 16, i never ever even considered pm-ing or communicating with anyone from the internet. I was always scared of all the **** that could go down on the internet and the fact that people could actually take your money. never revealed any personal information or pictures or stuff..

now on GH, I am close with a handfull of guys on IRC and Skype who know my name and picture...but that's pretty much the extend. waiting until I'm actually accepted into the colleges i want to be accepted to, before i post pictures or anything..
some of my IRL friends in highschool know 'dubsgalore' and can find literally everything i've said here in a second with a google search...so can't be too careful..

[esoomenona]

when i was younger, as in 14, 15 16

Now when you're older, as in 17?

[Dubsgalore]

when i was younger, as in 14, 15 16

Now when you're older, as in 17?

exactly haha
joined GH a few days *before* my 17th birthday

[Photekq]

You never PMed someone till you were 17? Dude, I was selling Runescape gold for money when I was like 8 or 9.

[hashbaz]

Age is one factor among many that informs how I deal with people.  If I know someone is 15 and I don't have previous experience with them, I am going to be a lot more cautious than with someone in their 30s.  Making sure things are spelled out and verifying that they have access to money, transportation, etc. become relevant.

[Dubsgalore]

You never PMed someone till you were 17? Dude, I was selling Runescape gold for money when I was like 8 or 9.

* Dubsgalore was cautious about strangers on the internet

[Photekq]

* Dubsgalore was too cautious about strangers on the internet

FTFY

[esoomenona]

Hey Dubs. We're not strangers anymore, right? Come take a ride in my van!

[Dubsgalore]

* Dubsgalore was too cautious about strangers on the internet

FTFY

indeed

Hey Dubs. We're not strangers anymore, right? Come take a ride in my van!

is there candy?

[esoomenona]

is there candy?

You know it! Free, too.

[SpAmRaY]

You never PMed someone till you were 17? Dude, I was selling Runescape gold for money when I was like 8 or 9.

We didn't have a computer or the internet when I was 8. I didn't get my first cell phone until I was 21

[SmallFry]

Hey Dubs. We're not strangers anymore, right? Come take a ride in my van!

[baldgye]

im 12 and what is this

Oh no rarar hacked esoom's account!

[Dubsgalore]

is there candy?

You know it! Free, too.

oooo let's go find your puppy!

[SpAmRaY]

Hey Dubs. We're not strangers anymore, right? Come take a ride in my van!

Show Image

now I know why moose has to travel so much...... :o

[tp4tissue]

The only issue that could possibly be of problem is -sexual-

Financially, at worst we're out a hundred bux, w/e, people waste more than that on groceries


There are only 2 confirmed female sightings on GH.... and they both seem quite advanced in age so we're good on the "hitting on female children issue"


And I don't think "boy-predators" usually collect keyboards, because the two hobbies would never mix...  I'd think boy-predators would spend an insane amount of time on "other" ventures, vs collecting keyboards.   


This really wouldn't be the forum where it happens..

[nathairtras]

Interesting question that isn't just limited to here.  All forums are a bit different than other interactions, and age can matter a lot less here.

• Posts take time, so thinking, composing, and proofreading can remove some indications of age, or other attributes for that matter
• Age has no social value on a forum - people can have more or less experience / insight regardless of their age, and due to the above, that can really show in places like this
• Age is not readily discernible.  Again, due to above, there are no obvious markers of how old someone is, unless they provide them.  (References to school or work, or age-specific limitations or situations, or photos.)

Especially with a focused subject matter, keyboards or otherwise, age can become largely irrelevant.  Which is quite nice, actually.  It (largely) isn't relevant, and a forum can let it stay out of the way unless there is an instance where it is relevant.

[WhiteFireDragon]

I'm halfway through high school ;p

[Badwrench]

I don't see it on GH, but on other forums (OCN .... cough.....cough.....), there are a lot of younger (not as mature) people.  I don't care how old you are, but if you act like a child, I will treat you like one.  Some of the younger people I have worked with have been very mature about the way they handle the sale/purchase and about how they treated their hardware.

Edit:  removed rant 

[tp4tissue]

I'm halfway through high school ;p

no you're not... you look late 20ish...

[SpAmRaY]

I'm halfway through high school ;p

no you're not... you look late 20ish...

I've seen 20 somethings in high school still

[alaricljs]

We didn't have a computer or the internet when I was 8. I didn't get my first cell phone until I was 21

The 'internet' didn't exist when I was 8, but we did have a computer.  It didn't have "graphics" it had lines and characters.  My first cellphone (and quite a few since) was paid for by my job.  I did however foot it for a pager for a few years.  Get off my LAWN!!!!

The only issue that could possibly be of problem is -sexual-

Count on tp.

Financially, at worst we're out a hundred bux, w/e, people waste more than that on groceries

Uh, waste on groceries?  Groceries are the fruit/veg/meat... do you mean cigarettes, alcohol, junk food and lottery tix?  There actually are people that don't do that, you know.

[vivalarevolución]

Does age matter?  I don't know.  I've found reliable people and clowns of all ages.  I think the habits and behavior of a young person's parents might be a better indicator.  So for all those still living at home, we will need parental profiles before we do business.

[tp4tissue]

Does age matter?  I don't know.  I've found reliable people and clowns of all ages.  I think the habits and behavior of a young person's parents might be a better indicator.  So for all those still living at home, we will need parental profiles before we do business.

you must be a kid, because only kids would thing that were ever possible to enforce over the internet.

[Glod]

Its more about maturity level, I think young people can be trusted on geekhack but they have to earn trust, just as people of all ages maturity level needs to be tested.

Honestly I've dealt with some pretty mature young people lately outside of geekhack, it makes me feel bad about myself. I was an immature idiot when i was a teenager up to my early 20's. I wouldn't have done business with me as a teenager, hell no. The career changed me; set me straight.

[Lighthouse1]

I tend to treat people as I find them..if people can hold a mature and sensible conversation and not behave like idiots then age simply doesn't come into it. If they are selling something like a keycap and send it, again age doesn't seem to make a difference.

I believe a lot of the time you can spot immaturity before you can spot age and the two are not necessarily related.

The only time it might be an issue is if people here are forming a relationship or trying to get one but I am not sure this would be quite the forum for that sort of thing. One some forums I think one would have to be conscious of it but I doubt I am on any of those.

[esoomenona]

What's up, Lighthouse?  You, me, and a bottle of wine?

[Lighthouse1]

Blimey, it is that sort of forum after all!

[CPTBadAss]

Moose, calm down buddy.

[tp4tissue]

Its more about maturity level, I think young people can be trusted on geekhack but they have to earn trust, just as people of all ages maturity level needs to be tested.

Honestly I've dealt with some pretty mature young people lately outside of geekhack, it makes me feel bad about myself. I was an immature idiot when i was a teenager up to my early 20's. I wouldn't have done business with me as a teenager, hell no. The career changed me; set me straight.

Well since the only way to earn trust is to PAY on-time.. You can't overcome the intial risk of the first ever deal... I think this is what people are worried about...

But I think that's silly because there's so little money involved..

[tp4tissue]

I tend to treat people as I find them..if people can hold a mature and sensible conversation and not behave like idiots then age simply doesn't come into it. If they are selling something like a keycap and send it, again age doesn't seem to make a difference.

I believe a lot of the time you can spot immaturity before you can spot age and the two are not necessarily related.

The only time it might be an issue is if people here are forming a relationship or trying to get one but I am not sure this would be quite the forum for that sort of thing. One some forums I think one would have to be conscious of it but I doubt I am on any of those.

Ah, didn't you hear, there are no chix here... 

[esoomenona]

Moose, calm down buddy.

Don't be jealous. I'm gonna see you later. 

[vivalarevolución]

Does age matter?  I don't know.  I've found reliable people and clowns of all ages.  I think the habits and behavior of a young person's parents might be a better indicator.  So for all those still living at home, we will need parental profiles before we do business.

you must be a kid, because only kids would thing that were ever possible to enforce over the internet.

Not sure if I want to feed the troll.  Ok no, I'm not going to feed the troll.

[esoomenona]

The correct answer is: It IS possible. Poor dumb tp4 doesn't know about backtracing.

[tp4tissue]

The correct answer is: It IS possible. Poor dumb tp4 doesn't know about backtracing.

I don't see how you could enforce a parental consent form, unless you skype with the person's parents... In which case,, who would go through the trouble to join this forum.

[noisyturtle]

Who's the oldest GH'er?

[therecorder]

If by "dealing with" you are referring to doing business, then it should not matter too much. People don't change in morality very much.

On the other hand, as an old man, I find that my attitudes, feelings, and passions are very different than they were a few decades ago.

Some things have lost their interest to me, and others have become more important.

Most significantly, I "feel" that the world (ie the human race) has become a much uglier and more cynical place than it was when I was young.

As I said before, I'm 65.  fohat.dig says that he is an "old man"...  Older than I am?  Don't think there's a way to find out who is the oldest Geekhacker.

[aggiejy]

I'm 33 now, but I was a very responsible kid at 16+. I started a business making websites for local businesses in my small town with another guy who was 18. We had an office and everything. Meeting people in person almost never landed us work. Our luck either came from pity or people we let believe we were older. I remember how offended I was to be discriminated against for age at the time. But looking back, I totally understand it. A 16 year old making websites in '96 wasn't the problem, but giving him money from your business is different.  So yeah, age matters. But everyone is different and lots of other factors matter more. Building trust is key... Just might be slower and harder being young.

[rowdy]

Kids (seem to) mature faster these days than they did back in the day.

[noisyturtle]

Kids (seem to) mature faster these days than they did back in the day.

I blame the rap music

[Grim Fandango]

Generally, their behavior will tell you more about them than their age. Sure, people under 16 are generally less mature than people over 16, but once you know a little bit about them you can pretty much ignore age, since you have a lot more useful info than such an inaccurate proxy for maturity.

[rowdy]

Kids (seem to) mature faster these days than they did back in the day.

I blame the rap music

Just remember that in 50 year's time rap music will be the music all the oldies are listening to.

[mauri]

But officer she looked 16

[Shadovved]

Yay!

You guys need to stop buying stickers from me man!

I was underage 2 months ago

[Tym]

Yay!

You guys need to stop buying stickers from me man!

I was underage 2 months ago

That business plan doesn't make much sense friend.

[Shadovved]

Yay!

You guys need to stop buying stickers from me man!

I was underage 2 months ago

That business plan doesn't make much sense friend.

What business plan? 

 

[nathairtras]

Kids (seem to) mature faster these days than they did back in the day.

Really?  Seems like there are (still) plenty of immature ones, and immature adults as well.  I have had moments where I was tempted  to make a claim opposite to yours, now I simply think that the Internet has made it easier to spot maturity (or a lack of it) regardless of age.

(Did tapatalk steal my leading "R"?)

[SpAmRaY]

(Did tapatalk steal my leading "R"?)

I have been noticing these oddities lately in tapatalk as well....and many smilies that don't work properly....

[domoaligato]

(Did tapatalk steal my leading "R"?)

I have been noticing these oddities lately in tapatalk as well....and many smilies that don't work properly....

I have seen the same thing as well. btw I am 32

[jabar]

Generally, their behavior will tell you more about their parents than their age.

FTFY

As an aside, I really hope no one under 18 has run a group buy. But even then there's been a few college students who have run group buys here and got lost in their studies (I cannot fathom how college students cannot dedicate even an hour or two a week to dealing with their GBs - I was no slouch of a student and I still had loads of free time). That sort of stuff should be really left to adults who can better gauge whether or not they can devote the time to running these community operations.

[lightsout714]

I would prefer to do business with an adult. Just preference. Had some interesting deals on ocn with youngsters. That said I think my first deal on here was with small fry which was about 2 years ago maybe?

[SmallFry]

Yes, it was a little over a year and a half now. I bought a Leopold with Clears from ya. I thin that the payment was quick, and I was very happy with the purchase.

[lightsout714]

Yes it went smooth no problems there. And now I'm interested in clears again lol.

[poxeclipse]

We're talking about age ? Hmmm .... I have on my desk now a 30 years old keyboard and a 2 months old one. I like and use both.

[iri]

But officer she looked 16

[Shadovved]

Generally, their behavior will tell you more about their parents than their age.

FTFY

As an aside, I really hope no one under 18 has run a group buy. But even then there's been a few college students who have run group buys here and got lost in their studies (I cannot fathom how college students cannot dedicate even an hour or two a week to dealing with their GBs - I was no slouch of a student and I still had loads of free time). That sort of stuff should be really left to adults who can better gauge whether or not they can devote the time to running these community operations.

I ran bunches of GB, sir

Although they are not that big

[davkol]

We have a saying in the movement that we don't trust anybody over 30.

[therecorder]

We have a saying in the movement that we don't trust anybody over 30.

Is that the bowel movement?

Proud to be "way" over 30...

[ekw808]

Yes

[davkol]

We have a saying in the movement that we don't trust anybody over 30.

Is that the bowel movement?

Proud to be "way" over 30...

There was a punk song that ended with something like "never trust anyone over ten", let me find it...

[Krogenar]

Hey Dubs. We're not strangers anymore, right? Come take a ride in my van!

Show Image

Seems legit.

[therecorder]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_in_the_Streets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_in_the_Streets

[demik]

under 18, i hate you.

over 40, i hate you.

unless i like you, then i don't hate you.

[fohat.digs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_in_the_Streets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_in_the_Streets

Breathtakingly lame movie but incredible theme song "Shape of Things to Come"

[kurplop]

Thanks fohat.digs. For about ten years  I've been trying to identify that movie and song. For some reason I thought the song was performed by Paul Revere and the Raiders.

I seem to remember liking the movie back when I was 13.  But I also thought Billy Jack was Oscar worthy back then.

[fohat.digs]

Thanks fohat.digs. For about ten years  I've been trying to identify that movie and song. For some reason I thought the song was performed by Paul Revere and the Raiders.

I seem to remember liking the movie back when I was 13.  But I also thought Billy Jack was Oscar worthy back then.

Max Frost and the Troopers was not a real band, but that song, utter classic! I still have the original 45 from 1969.

I am a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, but I cringe at how weak and predictable Billy Jack was. Even the martial art scenes were too short and tame.

The TV show "Kung Fu" was really outstanding, however, probably because it had dozens of episodes to really develop.

[nebo]

No. Tinlong was (is?) a kid and I went with his first GB he ever did with the poker and that was probably one of the most seamless GBs I've partook in. Currently dealing with TP who is in his 20s and it is a nightmare.

[SpAmRaY]

under 18, i hate you.

over 40, i hate you.

unless i like you, then i don't hate you.

so much love around here!

[SpAmRaY]

under 18, i hate you.

over 40, i hate you.

unless i like you, then i don't hate you.

I understand this now

[tp4tissue]

under 18, i hate you.

over 40, i hate you.

unless i like you, then i don't hate you.

I understand this now

enlighten.. I no get...

[SpAmRaY]

under 18, i hate you.

over 40, i hate you.

unless i like you, then i don't hate you.

I understand this now

enlighten.. I no get...

just give it some time, you'll get it one day

[tp4tissue]

under 18, i hate you.

over 40, i hate you.

unless i like you, then i don't hate you.

I understand this now

enlighten.. I no get...

just give it some time, you'll get it one day

[microsoft windows]

I don't care how old you are just so long as you use Windows.

[SpAmRaY]

Bump for relevance.

[Oobly]

You're only as old as your behaviour on the 'net.

It's funny, I always associate beards with "old" people. Realise it's something from my childhood, but I still assumed Spamray is "really old" (tm) due to the bearded avatars he uses. Now I discover we're both "in our 30's".

IMO, age is a factor, but it's maturity that matters. Of course the older you are, the more you know (generally speaking) and the less likely you are to be naive, ignorant or immature. In most cases, dealing with a young person who is mature is fine, unless their lack of experience affects things.

[rowdy]

You're only as old as your behaviour on the 'net.

It's funny, I always associate beards with "old" people. Realise it's something from my childhood, but I still assumed Spamray is "really old" (tm) due to the bearded avatars he uses. Now I discover we're both "in our 30's".

IMO, age is a factor, but it's maturity that matters. Of course the older you are, the more you know (generally speaking) and the less likely you are to be naive, ignorant or immature. In most cases, dealing with a young person who is mature is fine, unless their lack of experience affects things.

SpAmRaY's only in his 30s?

[Moosecraft]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

[iri]

It's funny, I always associate beards with "old" people. Realise it's something from my childhood, but I still assumed Spamray is "really old" (tm) due to the bearded avatars he uses. Now I discover we're both "in our 30's".

i'm in my 20's.

[yasuo]

i think member  DT a lot 30+

[kenmai9]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Some teens are more advanced than others.

I thought I was pretty mature at 17, but 4 years later I realized I was a moron.

I think this will continue until I die.

[yasuo]

under 18, i hate you.

over 40, i hate you.

unless i like you, then i don't hate you.

I understand this now

arround 20-30

[paicrai]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

[SpAmRaY]

You're only as old as your behaviour on the 'net.

It's funny, I always associate beards with "old" people. Realise it's something from my childhood, but I still assumed Spamray is "really old" (tm) due to the bearded avatars he uses. Now I discover we're both "in our 30's".

IMO, age is a factor, but it's maturity that matters. Of course the older you are, the more you know (generally speaking) and the less likely you are to be naive, ignorant or immature. In most cases, dealing with a young person who is mature is fine, unless their lack of experience affects things.

SpAmRaY's only in his 30s?

Huehuehue

[regack]

You're only as old as your behaviour on the 'net.

It's funny, I always associate beards with "old" people. Realise it's something from my childhood, but I still assumed Spamray is "really old" (tm) due to the bearded avatars he uses. Now I discover we're both "in our 30's".

IMO, age is a factor, but it's maturity that matters. Of course the older you are, the more you know (generally speaking) and the less likely you are to be naive, ignorant or immature. In most cases, dealing with a young person who is mature is fine, unless their lack of experience affects things.

SpAmRaY's only in his 30s?

Huehuehue

Prince Vultan and previous bearded old guy avatars always make me think SpAmRaY is older than he is...

[tgujay]

I'm 23, I feel young compared to all you old farts.

[Moosecraft]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

[paicrai]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

I know, just pointed out that you're far from the youngest.

[HPE1000]

Age ≠ maturity but if I had the choice of dealing with someone in their early teens or someone who is older I will pick the older person 9 times out of 10..

[SpAmRaY]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

I know, just pointed out that you're far from the youngest.

so are we talking 12 or what?

[ideus]

I'm 23, I feel young compared to all you old farts.

Well the sentence does not appear to come from a 23 y/o. Anyways.

[tgujay]

I'm 23, I feel young compared to all you old farts.

Well the sentence does not appear to come from a 23 y/o. Anyways.

Wat.

[SpAmRaY]

I'm 23, I feel young compared to all you old farts.

Well the sentence does not appear to come from a 23 y/o. Anyways.

Wat.

[paicrai]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

I know, just pointed out that you're far from the youngest.

so are we talking 12 or what?

How am I not surprised that came from you?

And to be honest, you missed by one year. I'm 13.
Also, if you guys wouldn't take cheap shots and act like you're 8 and ***** about my fixed genetics afterwards, that would be great.

[SpAmRaY]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

I know, just pointed out that you're far from the youngest.

so are we talking 12 or what?

How am I not surprised that came from you?

And to be honest, you missed by one year. I'm 13.
Also, if you guys wouldn't take cheap shots and act like you're 8 and ***** about my fixed genetics afterwards, that would be great.

Genetics? What? You lost me.

[ideus]

The correct question should be about maturity, not age. I think most of us would agree that maturity does matter.

[paicrai]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

I know, just pointed out that you're far from the youngest.

so are we talking 12 or what?

How am I not surprised that came from you?

And to be honest, you missed by one year. I'm 13.
Also, if you guys wouldn't take cheap shots and act like you're 8 and ***** about my fixed genetics afterwards, that would be great.

Genetics? What? You lost me.

... Complaints about MY personality and MY other personal traits. Those can be related to MY genetics, right?

EDIT: Inb4 blatant trolling

The action of complaints and stuff about my person itself performed by others is not related to my genetics, so toss your above mentioned in the bag again. I bet I called it there, considering your other genius (read stupid) remarks towards me.

[HPE1000]

[SpAmRaY]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

I know, just pointed out that you're far from the youngest.

so are we talking 12 or what?

How am I not surprised that came from you?

And to be honest, you missed by one year. I'm 13.
Also, if you guys wouldn't take cheap shots and act like you're 8 and ***** about my fixed genetics afterwards, that would be great.

Genetics? What? You lost me.

... Complaints about personality and other personal traits. Those can be related to genetics, right?

Oh.....so your saying you can't fix stupid?

Seems legit.

[paicrai]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

I know, just pointed out that you're far from the youngest.

so are we talking 12 or what?

How am I not surprised that came from you?

And to be honest, you missed by one year. I'm 13.
Also, if you guys wouldn't take cheap shots and act like you're 8 and ***** about my fixed genetics afterwards, that would be great.

Genetics? What? You lost me.

... Complaints about personality and other personal traits. Those can be related to genetics, right?

stupid?

At least be glad I'm not calling you all boring and starting CoD trickshot related threads and other such buffoonery, and keep in mind I'm thirteen. You're in your thirties. You will behave differently and prefer the behaviour of people around your age. Right now there's nothing we can do about my age and my mental maturity but wait, and that's a fact. And since it's a fact I have no problem with it, it's inevitable. Calling me an immature 13 year old has about as much impact as saying somebody else's potato is an edible food, it's the obvious and a fact.


mod edit: watch your language

[SpAmRaY]

So because your 13 you can say whatever you want and/or act in anyway you feel like?

I don't think the world works that way.....

But this is the internet so whatever.

Knowing is half the battle.

[paicrai]

So because your 13 you can say whatever you want and/or act in anyway you feel like?

yep defending oneself is inappropriate and you need a certain amount of anonymity and relative disconnection to the format in which you express yourself with to do so

[HPE1000]

Oh the irony

[sth]

At least be glad I'm not calling you all boring ***gots and starting CoD trickshot related threads and other such buffoonery

no dude, that doesn't get any kudos from anybody, that's baseline not-even-approaching-decency-just-functioning-within-a-community level right there.

but 13? get the **** outside and get in trouble while you can. video games and keyboards are a waste of time at your age if you're not stuck at a desk all day for work.

[paicrai]

oh for ****'s sake lock this thread before all the "maturies" gang up ironically in front of their screens and ***** about something they could just ignore and start derailing worse than tp4 on cocaine just to bash me for no ****ing gain in any imaginable way

[sth]

oh for ****'s sake lock this thread before all the "maturies" gang up ironically behind their screens and ***** about something they could just ignore and start derailing worse than tp4 on cocaine just to bash me for no ****ing gain in any imaginable way

your life

seriously go smoke pot and skate or something

[ideus]

Experience is proportional to age, but age is not a justification for not being responsible. The first is a fact, the second is a joke.

[HPE1000]

HAHAHA

Lock the thread because his feelings are hurt 

[paicrai]

HAHAHA

Lock the thread because his feelings are hurt 

nice try

I want the thread locked because this was about how age matters in business terms, not how much a bunch of people I don't know think of me. I think every thread where that happens, including other people of course, should be locked, just like the one were pacifist went rampant. Locked because it's a personal attack competition, as the OP said in that thread.

[sth]

HAHAHA

Lock the thread because his feelings are hurt 

nice try

I want the thread locked because this was about how age matters in business terms, not how much a bunch of people I don't know think of me. I think every thread where that happens, including other people of course, should be locked, just like the one were pacifist went rampant. Locked because it's a personal attack competition, as the OP said.

you are 13. you have no business in business or forum moderation and that is a GOOD THING for you should you choose to take advantage of it

[SpAmRaY]

HAHAHA

Lock the thread because his feelings are hurt 

nice try

I want the thread locked because this was about how age matters in business terms, not how much a bunch of people I don't know think of me. I think every thread where that happens, including other people of course, should be locked, just like the one were pacifist went rampant. Locked because it's a personal attack competition, as the OP said in that thread.

Wow....so much entitlement.

And attacking you? Really?

[paicrai]

HAHAHA

Lock the thread because his feelings are hurt 

nice try

I want the thread locked because this was about how age matters in business terms, not how much a bunch of people I don't know think of me. I think every thread where that happens, including other people of course, should be locked, just like the one were pacifist went rampant. Locked because it's a personal attack competition, as the OP said in that thread.

Wow....so much entitlement.

And attacking you? Really?

"Wow...so much entitlement."
well played

"And attacking you? Really?"
It's what ->I HAVE<- seen all of you call it on pretty much every other thread this sort of thing happens, so I think I should be safe in calling it that, unless you want to create double standards just to bash me.

[SpAmRaY]

Who is bashing you?

I mean your trying pretty hard to incite things.

[riotonthebay]

Who is bashing you?

I mean your trying pretty hard to incite things.

I feel inclined to second this. I understand how this thread might make you feel as a younger person, but you're not doing yourself any favors at the moment. No one's trying to kick you off geekhack – step away from the computer for a bit and come back once you've leveled out.

[HoffmanMyster]

At least be glad I'm not calling you all boring and starting CoD trickshot related threads and other such buffoonery, and keep in mind I'm thirteen. You're in your thirties. You will behave differently and prefer the behaviour of people around your age. Right now there's nothing we can do about my age and my mental maturity but wait, and that's a fact. And since it's a fact I have no problem with it, it's inevitable. Calling me an immature 13 year old has about as much impact as saying somebody else's potato is an edible food, it's the obvious and a fact.


mod edit: watch your language

I have never dealt with you or talked to you, so this isn't an attack on you, but rather on your logic.

Just because you're 13 doesn't mean you should act 13 and just say "oops, looks like I'm 13!" when people call you out.  You could always try to act in a respectable manner and take advantage of the anonymity of the internet.  We don't know you're 13 unless you act 13 and subsequently admit to it.

[paicrai]

People have kept calling me out on my age and behaviour, and I don't think it came as a surprise to people. Probably just a confirmation to smack-talk in some new way without getting any backlash (being "How do you know he's 13 or so? What gives you the right to such assumptions?" stuff kind of backlash). Or so far, that's what it seems. If people also would calm down a bit, not calling myself innocent, and stop trying to contort me to conform to YOUR standards or personal preference, or just complaining about stuff when it's not needed. Many times I rephrase posts, regret statements, and just wished I had stayed out of threads, too. However, sometimes I genuinely can't say the right things, as it appears. I have some moments when people agree with me and start a two quote discussion, but hey, save a hundred be a hero, kill one be a villain no matter what.

Sorry if I've blindly written bull**** in here, my apologies.

all lf that ignored for a second, man you guys just kill it sometimes

i've seen the stereotypical instagram community handle conflict better than some of you

[Photoelectric]

Sorry if I've blindly written bull**** in here, my apologies.

all lf that ignored for a second, man you guys just kill it sometimes

Everyone, gather around for a big group hug please.  Look at this little guy for some distraction:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1169815#msg1169815

he will make you feel better, as he has magical powers. 

There's too much pot/kettle going on in all the recent personal drama debates, and admitting fault from all sides is like pulling teeth.

[SpAmRaY]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52666.msg1169924.msg#1169924

Tried starting that thread to have an actual discussion but I guess that is impossible around here.

Think everyone took it the wrong way.

[sth]

you started the same thread as this one that you already started.

[Beca]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52666.msg1169924.msg#1169924

Tried starting that thread to have an actual discussion but I guess that is impossible around here.

Think everyone took it the wrong way.

Were posts deleted in this thread? I'm still confused on where paicrai felt he was attacked for his age.

[SpAmRaY]

you started the same thread as this one that you already started.

Paicrai was complaining this thread was more about conducting business so I was trying to appease him.

[iri]

i wish topic starters were granted mod privileges in their threads. so they could clean the crap.

[ninjadoc]

OK...  I'm 65...  Does this mean that I get a Senior Citizen Discount on Group Buys

No, it we charge you more!

[demik]

i wish topic starters were granted mod privileges in their threads. so they could clean the crap.

this would be awesome

[HipsterPunks]

I'm 25 with mindset of a 15 year old, plus I imagine everyone I talk to on here as a beautiful blonde with big juggs. Seriously though if you have done your research on whatever it is your discussing/selling, or you're paypal verified I could careless if you're 16-80

I feel inclined to second this. I understand how this thread might make you feel as a younger person, but you're not doing yourself any favors at the moment. No one's trying to kick you off geekhack – step away from the computer for a bit and come back once you've leveled out.

Great advice, happened to me last week. Sometimes you just need to stop typing

[HPE1000]

HAHAHA

Lock the thread because his feelings are hurt 

nice try

I want the thread locked because this was about how age matters in business terms, not how much a bunch of people I don't know think of me. I think every thread where that happens, including other people of course, should be locked, just like the one were pacifist went rampant. Locked because it's a personal attack competition, as the OP said in that thread.

Since when was that? Did you even read the OP?

"Is it important to know the age of people, especially when dealing in the classifieds/group buys/IC's etc? 

Or in general just understand and interacting with people on the forum, does age affect that?"


I'm done..

[paicrai]

HAHAHA

Lock the thread because his feelings are hurt 

nice try

I want the thread locked because this was about how age matters in business terms, not how much a bunch of people I don't know think of me. I think every thread where that happens, including other people of course, should be locked, just like the one were pacifist went rampant. Locked because it's a personal attack competition, as the OP said in that thread.

Since when was that? Did you even read the OP?

"Is it important to know the age of people, especially when dealing in the classifieds/group buys/IC's etc? 

Or in general just understand and interacting with people on the forum, does age affect that?"


I'm done..

That'd be valid if I wasn't talking about a completely different thread :b

[SpAmRaY]

HAHAHA

Lock the thread because his feelings are hurt 

nice try

I want the thread locked because this was about how age matters in business terms, not how much a bunch of people I don't know think of me. I think every thread where that happens, including other people of course, should be locked, just like the one were pacifist went rampant. Locked because it's a personal attack competition, as the OP said in that thread.

Since when was that? Did you even read the OP?

"Is it important to know the age of people, especially when dealing in the classifieds/group buys/IC's etc? 

Or in general just understand and interacting with people on the forum, does age affect that?"


I'm done..

That'd be valid if I wasn't talking about a completely different thread :b

What?

[Signature]

Well I'm probably among the youngest here at 17 but still I haven't felt like someone has looked down upon me here because of my age.

Dude, you're far from the youngest...

Well I said among the youngest not THE youngest

I know, just pointed out that you're far from the youngest.

so are we talking 12 or what?

How am I not surprised that came from you?

And to be honest, you missed by one year. I'm 13.
Also, if you guys wouldn't take cheap shots and act like you're 8 and ***** about my fixed genetics afterwards, that would be great.

Genetics? What? You lost me.

... Complaints about personality and other personal traits. Those can be related to genetics, right?

stupid?

At least be glad I'm not calling you all boring and starting CoD trickshot related threads and other such buffoonery, and keep in mind I'm thirteen. You're in your thirties. You will behave differently and prefer the behaviour of people around your age. Right now there's nothing we can do about my age and my mental maturity but wait, and that's a fact. And since it's a fact I have no problem with it, it's inevitable. Calling me an immature 13 year old has about as much impact as saying somebody else's potato is an edible food, it's the obvious and a fact.


mod edit: watch your language

Dude we got it you are 13

[paicrai]

That wasn't "lol iz turdeen" at all, it was just pointing out he was talking about this thread instead of the one I mentioned.

[SpAmRaY]

That wasn't "lol iz turdeen" at all, it was just pointing out he was talking about this thread instead of the one I mentioned.

You said this thread should be closed, now your saying you meant some other thread.

We don't know what your talking about.

[riotonthebay]

[paicrai]

That wasn't "lol iz turdeen" at all, it was just pointing out he was talking about this thread instead of the one I mentioned.

You said this thread should be closed, now your saying you meant some other thread.

We don't know what your talking about.

I used another thread as an example... Sorry if it was unclear bro, my English is not perfect, I'm from Norway.

[SpAmRaY]

That wasn't "lol iz turdeen" at all, it was just pointing out he was talking about this thread instead of the one I mentioned.

You said this thread should be closed, now your saying you meant some other thread.

We don't know what your talking about.

I used another thread as an example... Sorry if it was unclear bro, my English is not perfect, I'm from Norway.

oh for ****'s sake lock this thread before all the "maturies" gang up ironically in front of their screens and ***** about something they could just ignore and start derailing worse than tp4 on cocaine just to bash me for no ****ing gain in any imaginable way

So what was that post about?

[paicrai]

That wasn't "lol iz turdeen" at all, it was just pointing out he was talking about this thread instead of the one I mentioned.

You said this thread should be closed, now your saying you meant some other thread.

We don't know what your talking about.

I used another thread as an example... Sorry if it was unclear bro, my English is not perfect, I'm from Norway.

oh for ****'s sake lock this thread before all the "maturies" gang up ironically in front of their screens and ***** about something they could just ignore and start derailing worse than tp4 on cocaine just to bash me for no ****ing gain in any imaginable way

So what was that post about?

That was about this thread, but he quoted me referring to another thread. Two unrelated posts.

[SpAmRaY]

I am so confused

[fourzeropooh]

I am so confused

Me too

Just don't try to figure out what is happening.

[paicrai]

I am so confused

HPE quoted my post referencing another thread. He talked about THIS thread, not the one I was using as an example. So I pointed out that his arguments would've been valid if I'd referenced this thread instead of the "No such thing as free lunch" thread or whatever.

[fourzeropooh]

I am so confused

HPE quoted my post referencing another thread. He talked about THIS thread, not the one I was using as an example. So I pointed out that his arguments would've been valid if I'd referenced this thread instead of the "No such thing as free lunch" thread or whatever.

Oh...Okay....