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Offline kishy

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« Reply #50 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 08:50:54 »
Explorer windows overall took a turn for...total garbage...with Vista/7.

Network settings are another bad thing, as pointed out.

Anything they've done which "dumbs things down" more than XP did, IMHO, is ultimately bad for the customer and computer users in general.

The beauty of "IMHO": I don't need to spend time justifying my views.
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« Reply #51 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 08:53:23 »
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Explorer windows overall took a turn for...total garbage...with Vista/7.

It looks identical to me.  A little more polish and shine, but identical.
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« Reply #52 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 11:44:32 »
Windows XP, put in this particular appearance via GUI-provided options, nothing extravagant that could be classed as a "modification"



Windows 7, AFAIK defaults, and from experience it's pretty hard to get it too far from this:



Now, with the assistance of my good friend Microsoft Paint (if only to keep the effort I put into this quite low), I will show you all the things I don't like that ultimately can't really be changed.

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« Reply #53 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 11:50:16 »
If you right-click the start menu in XP and click Explore, you get essentially the same Explorer window as Windows 7.  What I think MS did, just from what I have seen in my own experience, is that people used the "Explore" in XP more than "My Computer," so they made the "Computer" functionality work like the "Explore."  Even the most novice users here seem to always use the "Explore" window and not the "My Computer" (they don't even know what it is, even though it is quicker to open than "Explore").
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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 12:00:33 »
I just wish the stupid list on the left would GO AWAY. However, last I checked, that isn't possible...

When I say "explorer window", that is any window within the operating system that displays the contents of a directory, not specifically the "Windows Explorer" version of it (which can pretty much be created by opening My Computer or My Documents or really any folder and clicking "Folders" on the toolbar).

Novice users dragging the rest of us...or at least me...down.
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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 12:14:46 »
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I just wish the stupid list on the left would GO AWAY. However, last I checked, that isn't possible...

Explore your options in the "Organize" menu at the top.  You aren't checking hard enough.
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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 14:39:00 »
That wasn't my screenshot, lmao. Though when I was running 7 it was on an A64 3200 2.2 (and it ran quite well too, it even ran decently on my Pentium M 740 with intel graphics).

I searched the web, I asked people, I clicked all that could be clicked. The pane on the left did not want to go away. In any event I no longer have 7 on any of my systems so I'm not concerned anymore.
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Offline Zalusithix

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« Reply #57 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 14:50:26 »
As itlnstln said, 'Organize' -> 'Layout' -> untick 'Navigation pane' and 'Details pane'. All you'll have left at that point are the top bars. If that didn't work for you, then something was very wrong. (Pirated copy perhaps?)
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« Reply #58 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 14:51:17 »
Check it:

Before -


After -
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Offline Zalusithix

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« Reply #59 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 15:03:11 »
The part that annoys me on the Win 7 browser is that after you get up to 16 items selected, the details pane goes from actual information to the "show more details" link. It's a complete pain in the ass for quickly seeing how much you can throw on a DVD for instance.

I like most of the changes they've made to the browser, but that one is just... stupid beyond belief.
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« Reply #60 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 15:23:23 »
Needs moar MC

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« Reply #61 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 15:48:33 »
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Needs moar MC

yep
« Last Edit: Thu, 21 April 2011, 01:53:42 by bitflipper »
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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 16:49:18 »
Ahhhh that explains why Norton Commander used "NC" as the command to start their shell...

And itlnstln, that's...awesome. Of course, the destruction of a full time address bar and proper Up button (I realize the functionality was implemented in another way, but a proper dedicated button is best IMO) reduces the functionality of the window without the folder list...just can't seem to win here...
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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 16:56:45 »
Midnight Commander came after Norton Commander; it's a clone of it.
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« Reply #64 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 17:19:44 »
Whoops, I'm dumb. Oh well.

I just got used to the general fact that *nix stuff is generally stolen by the Windoze world, that's all.
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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 17:32:44 »
Well, UNIX was a nasty mainframe OS, and people gradually stole ideas from the Windows/DOS world so that it would be more familar and easy to use. If you look at some of UNIX's contemporaries such as DEC's VMS, you'd find that they're horrifyingly arcane... Example, guess what the following does -

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SET DEF DUA0:[000000]
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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 17:58:33 »
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Ahhhh that explains why Norton Commander used "NC" as the command to start their shell...

And itlnstln, that's...awesome. Of course, the destruction of a full time address bar and proper Up button (I realize the functionality was implemented in another way, but a proper dedicated button is best IMO) reduces the functionality of the window without the folder list...just can't seem to win here...
IMO, the trailing view of the Win 7 address bar is better than the old stlye. Click in the whitespace, and you're at traditional address bar for location entry. Click on a past entry and you're back however many directories up the tree in a single click. Need to go back (up) just one? Back button on the mouse handles it most of the time since you've typically navigated from that directory in the first place. Finally, click the arrow following a directory in the trailing view, and you're one click away from choosing what directory you want to move to from that location. I think that's about as optimal as you're going to get in a navigation bar.
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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 21 April 2010, 18:14:59 »
I'm sorta happy that MC's not installed by default. I never use it.

coreutils + zsh FTW!
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« Reply #68 on: Thu, 22 April 2010, 07:29:39 »
Ah, Norton Commander.  Those were the days...
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« Reply #69 on: Thu, 22 April 2010, 08:09:03 »
Xtree Gold FTW
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« Reply #70 on: Thu, 22 April 2010, 12:27:49 »
Microsoft Word 4 for DOS. DesQview. Lotus Agenda.
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« Reply #71 on: Thu, 22 April 2010, 12:53:12 »
WordPerfect, Harvard Graphics, Lotus 1-2-3, FoxPro, UNIX... wait.
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« Reply #72 on: Fri, 23 April 2010, 00:14:31 »
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Ah, Norton Commander.  Those were the days...


There's some DOS Box people made run norton commander automatically. I don't like it...
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« Reply #73 on: Fri, 23 April 2010, 07:17:00 »
I had it in the Autoexec.bat for awhile, so it would come up automatically.  After awhile, I preferred just doing stuff from the prompt instead, especially when I was more into gaming.
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