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Offline d.caminero

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6350 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 04:27:10 »
Not a bit. They make the bottom out very pleasant since the browns have such a violent tactile event. I like soft plates for all kinds of switches since I used to have SKCM Blues on sus and it was painful to type

Interesting! I will have to try it, since the only thing I dislike (though not much) is the harsh bottom out of my SKCM brown in the Lunar AEK. Thanks!

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6351 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 21:15:08 »
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Heya folks, wanna share my little project that came to fruition recently. Featuring the King of Tactiles, Alps SKCM Browns on a FR4 plate. The enclosure is a custom cut, bonded (which failed horrendously at QC but somehow the guy let it slipped), and painted (which also failed, but hey it looks good on pics) acrylic Orion V3. Also leds because Ducks.

How are the browns on an FR4 plate? Specially compared to on a regular aluminium plate. Does the plate drown the tactility bump?
Not a bit. They make the bottom out very pleasant since the browns have such a violent tactile event. I like soft plates for all kinds of switches since I used to have SKCM Blues on sus and it was painful to type

What kind of plate would you say feels good/similar to FR4? I'm planning to build an ergonomic with blues. Have you tried anything better that you prefer more than FR4?

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6352 on: Mon, 09 December 2019, 23:31:51 »
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Heya folks, wanna share my little project that came to fruition recently. Featuring the King of Tactiles, Alps SKCM Browns on a FR4 plate. The enclosure is a custom cut, bonded (which failed horrendously at QC but somehow the guy let it slipped), and painted (which also failed, but hey it looks good on pics) acrylic Orion V3. Also leds because Ducks.

How are the browns on an FR4 plate? Specially compared to on a regular aluminium plate. Does the plate drown the tactility bump?
Not a bit. They make the bottom out very pleasant since the browns have such a violent tactile event. I like soft plates for all kinds of switches since I used to have SKCM Blues on sus and it was painful to type

What kind of plate would you say feels good/similar to FR4? I'm planning to build an ergonomic with blues. Have you tried anything better that you prefer more than FR4?
Imo any non-metal material plate would do the trick. I went with FR4 since that was the option available at the time.

On a another note, I would highly recommend a non-metal case to go with any sort of Alps. Just better sound quality.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6353 on: Tue, 10 December 2019, 21:24:48 »
Yeah, plastic really brings out the sound more. Just look at the DC2014. Better than every other Alps board because it's made out of... you guessed it! Plastic!

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6354 on: Tue, 17 December 2019, 14:51:30 »
Yeah, plastic really brings out the sound more. Just look at the DC2014. Better than every other Alps board because it's made out of... you guessed it! Plastic!

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While I agree with the sound of plastic really brings the sound for Alps by far the best chassis is the EPSON Q103A. Super hollow and all plastic like it should be. Has the right amount of hollowness that you can hear the deepness of the switches in the chassis and it for sure beats out the DC2014 if you are able to get your hands on one.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6355 on: Thu, 19 December 2019, 12:48:41 »
Cool, I just looked it up and that thing looks Huge! With a capital H :)

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6356 on: Fri, 07 February 2020, 06:54:49 »
hey guys, look! i just found grey alps switches (clone?). first time to see these.
there's at least four numpads and one seems unused. will try to get at least one home  :D

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6357 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 17:57:24 »
Today I received an ALPS Electric keyboard to replace one that I had years ago but foolishly sold to J Carpenter at a time when I needed a few bucks quick.

I have been looking for another one for a long time, and finally it turned up on ebay, here in Tennessee (right in the tornado zone). I bought it, at the time of the tornado, for a great price (<$50 shipped). I was amazed that nobody else snagged it, and I certainly wasn't going to post it in Great Finds.

The unit was a little dirty on the outside but pristine and like new inside, Pine whites with doubleshot key caps! I can't get a shot of the PCB markings without removing the switches, which I am not going to do. Note the alternate stabilizer accommodations on the space bar.


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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6358 on: Tue, 10 March 2020, 19:25:16 »
Today I received an ALPS Electric keyboard to replace one that I had years ago but foolishly sold to J Carpenter at a time when I needed a few bucks quick.

I have been looking for another one for a long time, and finally it turned up on ebay, here in Tennessee (right in the tornado zone). I bought it, at the time of the tornado, for a great price (<$50 shipped). I was amazed that nobody else snagged it, and I certainly wasn't going to post it in Great Finds.

The unit was a little dirty on the outside but pristine and like new inside, Pine whites with doubleshot key caps! I can't get a shot of the PCB markings without removing the switches, which I am not going to do. Note the alternate stabilizer accommodations on the space bar.

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Congratulations on your find! I myself love pine whites.  Looking at my earlier comments, I was a bit naive... strange how things can change in just a few months.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6359 on: Thu, 12 March 2020, 15:44:41 »
Forgot I never posted my board here, this thing took entirely too long to build:




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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6360 on: Thu, 12 March 2020, 15:46:00 »
@monteyalps - looks great! what caps you planning on using?
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6361 on: Thu, 12 March 2020, 15:55:07 »
@monteyalps - looks great! what caps you planning on using?

I had a typo in my op, fixed it. Caps are a nice doubleshot set from an MCK-101FT that I picked up years ago, by far the best feeling caps I've used.

Unfortunately the layout wasn't the same so I had to pick up a AT-101 to steal the Stepped caps, \, enter, and backspace off of. I'm currently looking for a better set to replace those keys that can rival the MCK-101FT keycaps.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6362 on: Thu, 12 March 2020, 15:57:14 »
nice! i see the caps now
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6363 on: Thu, 12 March 2020, 22:16:36 »
Hi all-

Really enjoy seeing all these boards!!!

I have never tried Alps before and am wondering how I can get one. After some googling, it seems like blue, orange, salmon alps are most recommended, while people don't like the black ones as much.

Is there a board that's not too difficult to get or too expensive? If you're thinking about getting rid of a board that's actually decent for a beginner, please do not hesitate to message me.

Thanks!

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6364 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 01:47:18 »
Hi all-

Really enjoy seeing all these boards!!!

I have never tried Alps before and am wondering how I can get one. After some googling, it seems like blue, orange, salmon alps are most recommended, while people don't like the black ones as much.

Is there a board that's not too difficult to get or too expensive? If you're thinking about getting rid of a board that's actually decent for a beginner, please do not hesitate to message me.

Thanks!

An AEK1 or M0116. They all have salmon or orange alps which are excellent, and they're pretty easy to find and are not hideously expensive. Just make sure you get a clean one.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6365 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 04:39:13 »

An AEK1 or M0116. They all have salmon or orange alps which are excellent, and they're pretty easy to find and are not hideously expensive. Just make sure you get a clean one.

Thanks! I saw some M0116s on eBay that go around $100-$150. Got an offer of a 60% rebuilt with with linearized lubed dampened cream for $125 and one with orange but not case for $300. Getting it from eBay seems to make most sense but I'm also worried that I can't remap the keys. Should I jump on any of these or wait it out. Another option I see is Leading Edge DC-2014 for $280... If it's not difficult to resell it maybe that's what I should go for?

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6366 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 07:38:11 »
@gnho - you can use hasu's adb to usb converter (or build one yourself) to reprogram the apple adb boards. hasu also has one for other protocols and soarer's converter is popular as well. easy way to convert to usb and custom keymap to test and play with a board without having to mess with any of the internals of a board.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6367 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 16:25:02 »
@gnho - you can use hasu's adb to usb converter (or build one yourself) to reprogram the apple adb boards. hasu also has one for other protocols and soarer's converter is popular as well. easy way to convert to usb and custom keymap to test and play with a board without having to mess with any of the internals of a board.

Thanks! This is very helpful! Now I finally have a map to explore ALPS world!!!

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6368 on: Fri, 13 March 2020, 17:31:49 »
no problem.
shy of some strange size/placement of keys on old apple boards, they are by far some of my favorites.
take a look at deskthority's wiki to identify specific models and what switches should be in them.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6369 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 22:55:30 »
Has anyone tried WD-40 PTFE dry lube before? I'm asking because even though it's a garbage scam "dry" (read: extremely waxy) lube that I almost washed off it's made my worn in salmon m0116 feel almost identical to my barely used one. It's still slightly rougher feeling but the binding, upstroke clicking, and heaviness are all gone without changing the sound.
I've had it on a test key for two weeks and the rest of the board for one without issues, but despite saying it's plastic safe it contains petroleum solvents and cyclohexane, which isn't filling me with confidence.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6370 on: Wed, 18 March 2020, 23:26:49 »
i've used Dry PTFE Spray Lube (i only coated the stems) for an initial/partial test with decent results. this coming from using PTFE spray with machinery, bushings, bearings, moving parts and such for say... last 20+ years? and knowing the properties of the dry lube. i currently have a can from CRC.

the one i have does say liquified petroleum gas (but that's probably just the propellant) the main spray is an isopropyl alcohol base which is why it dies so fast.

i'd probably stay away from the common household brands and go for more of the industrial or less common brand. household brands seem to be a little "dummy proof" in my opinion. instead of an industrial brand that is adhering to more strict specs, makeup, MSDS, etc...

you don't have to use a dry lube on alps. it's just most alp switches are very old (even new old stock) and after a couple decades, the lube that the factory may have put in the switches has probably dried out. this seems to be a common misconception.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6371 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 03:57:15 »
I have tried this dry PTFE spray on white dampened sliders.



It was … useless after 2 days. At first it was a little bit better but not crazy, even with 2 applications.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6372 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 07:19:43 »
you don't have to use a dry lube on alps. it's just most alp switches are very old (even new old stock) and after a couple decades, the lube that the factory may have put in the switches has probably dried out. this seems to be a common misconception.
Yeah that's definitely my takeaway since the stuff I sprayed on looks like teflon in a really thick mineral oil or something and it works really well.
Also these worn in alps were almost immaculate (a deep clean barely did anything), and when I compared them to my good salmons the only visible damage was from the tactile leaf tearing up the side of the slider from years of use. So lubing just to prevent wear seems wise.
Anyone have suggestions? Anything's probably wiser than the oil refinery runoff I sprayed all over this thing at least.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6373 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 07:28:21 »
any of the common lubes is fine. (3203, 3204, 205g0, etc... plus, many alternatives)
- the consensus is not to use something too thick a lube on tactiles
- springs can be lubed as well to help reduce ping
- watch a couple videos as tutorials if needed
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6374 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 08:01:24 »
I think Chyros' video summed up lubing SKCM/L ALPS the best, it's really not worth it. He did a video where he tried a bunch of different lubes & they all either worked very poorly, lost thier effect very quickly, or changed the keyfeel & sound drastically. It might be worth lubing really bad condition ALPS, but if they are in the 7/10 range & above I would avoid lubing them IME.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6375 on: Sun, 22 March 2020, 08:21:28 »
Depends on the switch, his video focused on skcm orange. I can’t find a lube that works well on them either, but lube works great on skcm salmons as the slider is a completely different type of plastic.

Can’t figure out of a good lube for blues either.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6376 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 11:11:32 »
I snapped up an apple M0110A

Anyone got any tips for reconditioning the SKCC tall creams in it? Same kinda treatment as SKCM, open and remove chow?

Will be my first linear board, not sure I'll use it properly, I just punted a lowball offer on it and won!

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6377 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 11:16:42 »
watch Chyrosran22's exceptional (an through) Alps Restoration Guide.

... and congrats on the M0110A! :thumb:
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6378 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 11:17:55 »
watch Chyrosran22's exceptional (an through) Alps Restoration Guide.

That's for SKCM though, which I'm very familiar with cleaning up, SKCC are somewhat different.

Do they take the same size spring? I'd like to drop in some 50cN alps springs I have to lighten them up.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6379 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 11:32:22 »
i believe so. i have some loose of both. let me compare.

...yes, springs are same dimensions. sprit makes aftermarket alps springs in varying weights, or you could pull the springs from a lighter linear like SKCL greens (50~g). switch plates are also almost identical to complicated SKCL/M

also check out lowpoly's M0110 rebuild on deskthority.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6380 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 12:11:30 »
I snapped up an apple M0110A

Anyone got any tips for reconditioning the SKCC tall creams in it? Same kinda treatment as SKCM, open and remove chow?

Will be my first linear board, not sure I'll use it properly, I just punted a lowball offer on it and won!
If you can't do it with my procedure, you can still buy these NOS.

Note that the retainer tabs on SKCC are MUCH more fragile than on SKCL/M. Also, you'll need to desolder, as the switches are held to the plate top-side.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6381 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 12:48:46 »
I snapped up an apple M0110A

Anyone got any tips for reconditioning the SKCC tall creams in it? Same kinda treatment as SKCM, open and remove chow?

Will be my first linear board, not sure I'll use it properly, I just punted a lowball offer on it and won!
If you can't do it with my procedure, you can still buy these NOS.

Note that the retainer tabs on SKCC are MUCH more fragile than on SKCL/M. Also, you'll need to desolder, as the switches are held to the plate top-side.


So, hope it comes in good condition eh? It looked relatively clean.

If not I guess I’ll buy some spare switches for any casualties and take it apart :)

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6382 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 14:26:26 »
i bet SKCC would sound amazing in only an FR4 plate. the sound they make when loose is so much different than any other switch.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6383 on: Sun, 29 March 2020, 05:54:39 »
Is anyone else now contemplating using all this time we have stuck at home tearing down and reconditioning all of their dirtier alps boards?

I have two AEK2 and an M0116 I've yet to strip back and clean, guess that'll keep me busy for a fair few evenings.

One of my AEK2 has pine SKCM cream and the switches don't feel at all bad, so I'm pondering undamping them and swapping in 45G springs, it'll be interesting to see how close this gets in keyfeel to my SKCM orange/salmon boards.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6384 on: Mon, 30 March 2020, 03:59:52 »
It's funny, not that I have all this extra time I don't actual feel like doing anything with my boards. Once everything goes back to normal I'm sure I'll regret wasting all this time.
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