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Offline inceptive

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #150 on: Wed, 13 May 2020, 18:21:37 »
I'm in super late! I stumbled across this when I wanted to lookup Matias, the good old Mac keyboard maker. Clearly it's taken a long time but it should be really special when it's done. Glad to see some updates.


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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #151 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 15:32:18 »
I'm only following this thread because of how silly it is now. It's been 7 years. If you think this is going to actually ever be released you are blissfully naive like I once was. I don't understand how a project of this complexity can take 7 years, or what factory would even work with you on something that takes that long.

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 03:40:25 »
I'm only following this thread because of how silly it is now. It's been 7 years. If you think this is going to actually ever be released you are blissfully naive like I once was. I don't understand how a project of this complexity can take 7 years, or what factory would even work with you on something that takes that long.

Well, you'll just have to wait and see.  :)

If we weren't going to do it, then we would just refund everybody's money and announce that the project is cancelled.  We obviously haven't done that.

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #153 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 07:27:39 »
I'm only following this thread because of how silly it is now. It's been 7 years. If you think this is going to actually ever be released you are blissfully naive like I once was. I don't understand how a project of this complexity can take 7 years, or what factory would even work with you on something that takes that long.

Well, you'll just have to wait and see.  :)

If we weren't going to do it, then we would just refund everybody's money and announce that the project is cancelled.  We obviously haven't done that.


It's good that good reasoning and communication govern this project, obviously. Also, to put things in perspective, 7 years is approximately the golden(?) era of keyboards, what took us from non-ergonomic beamsprings to non-ergonomic rubber. But again, it's good that things are logical and properly communicated.

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #154 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 13:09:06 »
I'm only following this thread because of how silly it is now. It's been 7 years. If you think this is going to actually ever be released you are blissfully naive like I once was. I don't understand how a project of this complexity can take 7 years, or what factory would even work with you on something that takes that long.

Well, you'll just have to wait and see.  :)

If we weren't going to do it, then we would just refund everybody's money and announce that the project is cancelled.  We obviously haven't done that.


It's good that good reasoning and communication govern this project, obviously. Also, to put things in perspective, 7 years is approximately the golden(?) era of keyboards, what took us from non-ergonomic beamsprings to non-ergonomic rubber. But again, it's good that things are logical and properly communicated.

So what is the new schedule? I think you want to make this product, but I don't think you are being realistic about it if it has taken 7 years, that is insane.
Can you lay out a clear schedule, where things are now, what the risks are and how you're going to get to production? Then follow-up on why you are not meeting that schedule and what steps you are taking to remedy it?

Nothing of value is being communicated, the last time you gave some info was june 2019 when you said the keycaps are almost ready.
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Offline Philbeey

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #155 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 13:49:07 »
I'm only following this thread because of how silly it is now. It's been 7 years. If you think this is going to actually ever be released you are blissfully naive like I once was. I don't understand how a project of this complexity can take 7 years, or what factory would even work with you on something that takes that long.

Well, you'll just have to wait and see.  :)

If we weren't going to do it, then we would just refund everybody's money and announce that the project is cancelled.  We obviously haven't done that.


It's good that good reasoning and communication govern this project, obviously. Also, to put things in perspective, 7 years is approximately the golden(?) era of keyboards, what took us from non-ergonomic beamsprings to non-ergonomic rubber. But again, it's good that things are logical and properly communicated.

So what is the new schedule? I think you want to make this product, but I don't think you are being realistic about it if it has taken 7 years, that is insane.
Can you lay out a clear schedule, where things are now, what the risks are and how you're going to get to production? Then follow-up on why you are not meeting that schedule and what steps you are taking to remedy it?

Nothing of value is being communicated, the last time you gave some info was june 2019 when you said the keycaps are almost ready.
Anyone who's bought into this has been gyped honestly.

No reasonable or even logical explanation could be made for it taking 7 years.

****ty kickstarters have delivered better than this GB. Especially considering the horrid quality of the previous boards

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #156 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 15:02:10 »
Just a reminder to everyone... if you are unwilling or unable to wait for this GB to be completed, you can request a refund at any time.

This is a special project, with new tech that is not yet announced.  If that's not your thing, the refund option is always there.

Thanks again to everyone who has chosen to wait.

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #157 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 15:26:02 »
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Offline Philbeey

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #158 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 07:53:13 »
Just a reminder to everyone... if you are unwilling or unable to wait for this GB to be completed, you can request a refund at any time.

This is a special project, with new tech that is not yet announced.  If that's not your thing, the refund option is always there.

Thanks again to everyone who has chosen to wait.
What a surprise, a non-response.

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #159 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 15:49:38 »
To be fair, you've been incredibly rude and didn't have much to say other than a complaint.

Offline Philbeey

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #160 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 16:01:49 »
To be fair, you've been incredibly rude and didn't have much to say other than a complaint.
I mean yes, I won't disagree there but my point still stands.

There has been 0 true update at all.

Just Soon(TM)

A soon which is constantly shifting by the way.

I'd provide more in-depth discussion if there was anything to work with  but when was his last actual update. Or a picture.

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #161 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 22:59:46 »
To be fair, you've been incredibly rude and didn't have much to say other than a complaint.
I mean yes, I won't disagree there but my point still stands.

There has been 0 true update at all.

Just Soon(TM)

A soon which is constantly shifting by the way.

I'd provide more in-depth discussion if there was anything to work with  but when was his last actual update. Or a picture.


What's with all the outrage?  Are you having a bad day?

I've been pretty clear about what's on offer here...  It's new, unannounced tech, so I can't disclose many details until it's ready.  We've offered to refund anybody who isn't happy about those conditions.  You don't seem happy.

I don't know what more I can do for you.


Offline Philbeey

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #162 on: Sat, 15 August 2020, 07:50:37 »
To be fair, you've been incredibly rude and didn't have much to say other than a complaint.
I mean yes, I won't disagree there but my point still stands.

There has been 0 true update at all.

Just Soon(TM)

A soon which is constantly shifting by the way.

I'd provide more in-depth discussion if there was anything to work with  but when was his last actual update. Or a picture.


What's with all the outrage?  Are you having a bad day?

I've been pretty clear about what's on offer here...  It's new, unannounced tech, so I can't disclose many details until it's ready.  We've offered to refund anybody who isn't happy about those conditions.  You don't seem happy.

I don't know what more I can do for you.
Oh you don't have to do anything for me I'm more curious about the plethora of mentions of any proper updates dating back to about well 2015.

PBT, hybrids, balance bars and a logo.

Impressive but I dare say perhaps not 7 years worth of work imptessive.
Hence why even 3-4 years ago people were here posting about their complete generic responses from you.
With a little smile and a wink from you too instead of a response.

"You'll see"

I would love to hear why even a long design and manufacturing process seems to be taking about umpteenth times longer than any project I have EVER seen.


I mean if you have an actual  job that will actually pay the bills and have issues dedicating yourself to a build then so be it. But hard to tell with your lack of transparency of any kind (no one wants the CAD files just be honest about what you're doing) and people will surmise what is blatantly available.

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Offline Meyvn

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Re: Matias 60% Keyboard Group Buy
« Reply #163 on: Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:07:54 »
Ultimately, I think there's just a fundamental difference between your perspective as an outside person/potential customer and Matias's re: the level of transparency you are owed. As an Alps fan, while I was still backing the project I was frustrated too. The fact that they're willing to fully refund even years later, frankly, I think satisfies their obligations. Their continued existence as a stable-enough company to provide said refunds is evidence enough for me that they should be taken at their word at least as far as their intentions and plain statements of fact go (even if time estimates are way way out the window).

No one is being cheated. This is just Matias's pet project. It's not a Kickstarter, and it's not a primary breadwinner for anything they do. It's a labor of love that clearly has to take a backseat to other projects that keep the company afloat. This shouldn't be compared to keycap runs with GMK, or PCB kit group buys. A better comparison would be to consider this along the lines of Unicomp introducing new products. Matias can't rely on tons of existing Cherry MX clone makers for parts. They're having to create their own infrastructure. It sucks that it's taking so long, but you can still pull out, and just buy if and when the product actually releases.