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Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« on: Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:52:22 »
Mkawa was nice enough to give us a lovely introduction but it seems that we haven't been too clear in our purpose. Every so often, I see people asking about the state of the Wiki and wanting to add something to it. I wanted to put somewhere clearly what the Keepers are here for and how you can help us.

So what we do know:

A) The mediaWiki is going away. It just hasn't worked for our community.
  • I am the author of the Clack Wiki article and, from personal experience, it was a colossal pain to learn Wiki-code. In the time I spent on that article, I probably could've banged out two or three reviews in bbcode. People also seemed turned off from the fact that you need a special account to work on the current Wiki. I know there might be backlash against getting rid of it but the fact is, there are very little people who want to step up to help even though its very easy to get a Wiki account. Also, there is little point in trying to recreate the Deskthority Wiki which is very comprehensive already.

B) The new Wiki will look something like this:

  • It will be a separate tab but look like a sub-forum, with articles setup the way we're used to.

C) We are waiting for more information, just like everyone else here.
  • I've been trying to share the information I have here and there. But until I get more word from Mkawa, rknize, and the mods, this is all I know. I will post more information as I get it.

D) We are going to start projects in the mean time
  • More info further down

What the Keepers will do once the new Wiki is up:

1) Help gather and sort information
  • The community has tons of information spewed everywhere. Even our (or my) attempts at compiling this information such as the Simple Questions Simple Answers thread and Clack Wiki, are a bit clumsy. With a dedicated team and help from everyone, this can be easier

2) Create concrete goals
  • Instead having things mentioned off hand, we're going to take suggestions, and make concrete goals. Instead of just saying "I wish I knew what colors the keycaps are", we can refine this statement to say "There will be an article that has pictures of keycap sets".

3) Curate the new Wiki
  • Instead of having a fight over which mod is really a "Ghetto Purple", we can put it down that we generally agree that "Blah Stem + Meh Spring = Ghetto Purple". In that way, we have a foundation to work from in both terminology and in our heads. Which information will stay and which won't? The Keepers will keep track. Right or wrong, we'll have an agreement that we can work with or know that we have to fix.

What the community will do once the new Wiki is up:

Help us with the new Wiki. Post your ideas/comments/concerns in this thread. Help us help you.

  • We want your input, your time in helping us hunt information down, your comments, feedback, ideas, criticism. This is for the community, by the community. Just because you don't have a book next to your name doesn't mean you're not valuable and can't help.

Keepers, please let me know if there is anything you would like to add or change in this OP.

Oh and most of the projects we work on will be posted here since we have mod privileges so the team can edit posts. And just for transparency, there is a private Keepers subforum where we talk about business related to the team, and we have mod rights in Making Stuff Together and Post Wiki Workshop. I personally (CPTBadAss) have global mod rights throughout GeekHack, as of 11/3/13, so that I can move information without bugging the mod/admin team. They will be informed when I do edit things and I will let everyone, both on the Keepers team and on GH, know when I do this.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:52:32 »

Projects we are currently working on:

1) Organizing the Living Soldering Thread and How to Lube Cherry MX switches threads

OP from the Keepers private subforum:
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So I was bugging Mkawa about some soldering tips and we both realized that the Living Soldering Thread as well as the Cherry MX Lube Guide need some serious organization. Ideally, they should be a go-to guide on how to solder and lube. I think Photoelectric's Paint Thread or my own Simple Questions Simple Answers thread would be good examples.


2) Creating a centrailized list of keycap set colors
Please check it out and help.

OP from the Keepers private subforum:
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The people ask, we deliver.

We create a pictoral list of keycap sets, colors, and manufacturer. The OP has some info like pictures of the Xrite color checker (for monitor calibration), Dianoda's color ring pictures, SP's color codes, and explanation of legends/fonts. Then the entries look something like:



Name: Raindrop
Manufacturer: Signature Plastics
Material: ABS Plastic; Two-Shot Injection Molded (double shot)
Profile: DCS
Font: WYSE
Legends: 7Bit and Custom
Colors: White (WFK) and Blue (BFP)

And of course, Krogenar's helpful post found here.

3) GH Glossary
BlueBär created this Glossary to help understanding with all the abbreviations used on the site.

4) Open Source File/Resource Library
Photekq started this thread to help aggregate information pertaining to things like CAD, case design, etc. Threads that are related to this and will be folded include the GH CAD Resources Hub.

5) Switch Dampener Info Thread
I created this thread to aggregate information about soft landing pads and o-rings.

6) All Keycaps Site List
Quardah created this thread to aggregate any and all websites that sell keycaps that don't include the general GH classfieds.

7) Active Groupbuys List
This is a thread that shows all active GBs on Geekhack.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:52:41 »
Suggested Additions to the new Wiki

Have an idea? You should post in this thread and we'll add suggestions here!
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:52:51 »
And Just in case
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 09 October 2013, 21:01:03 »
I would like some stupid compilations:

  • Custom cases: everybody who has one / sells one for the edox, phantom, etc. I like seeing those
  • Novelty caps: it's kinda hard to find all of them in just one place, especially those from GBs

That's it. :)

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 09 October 2013, 22:38:25 »
It would be nice to have a compilation of GH projects.  Some that come to mind are:
  • GH60
  • GHpad
  • Phantom
  • Epsilon
  • Controllers
  • Keymap tools
  • custom cases
  • etc...

Some of these projects are extremely cool and by centralizing some of the knowledge from them it will help lower the bar for people to try new projects.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 07:30:28 »
Can you better define "GH Projects"? For example, the Phantom was a collaboration between DT and GH. You're looking for a list of custom keyboard projects?

To me, the only GH specific projects are GH60 and the GHPad. In my eyes, things like the Epsilon, TEK-80, and Longcat board are personal projects.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 10:16:34 »
Can you better define "GH Projects"? For example, the Phantom was a collaboration between DT and GH. You're looking for a list of custom keyboard projects?

To me, the only GH specific projects are GH60 and the GHPad. In my eyes, things like the Epsilon, TEK-80, and Longcat board are personal projects.

Thats fair.  The reason I was considering the others as well is because there are some good take aways from some of the other projects.  For example, the key map code that came out of the Epsilon project.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 10:21:55 »
I would like to see a centralized reference on how to design/build a keyboard, from how pcb works, how to design a pcb, how to use/design/implement a controller and references to existing controllers/converters.

Same things on designing a case, layout, etc.

Most of the information is there, but not regrouped/structured.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 10:24:00 »
Can you stick to a singular image size please :D Its so annoying to look at mega pictures followed by tiny ones  :-*
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 11:24:47 »
Can you stick to a singular image size please :D Its so annoying to look at mega pictures followed by tiny ones  :-*

For the Wiki? Where are you referring to?
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 11:38:24 »
Just in general :)

Not having a go,  things look better when they are uniform
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 11:41:45 »
Sure. I have the same thing. I don't like non uniform pictures. Takes a bit of time to figure out though.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 11:44:24 »
Sure. I have the same thing. I don't like non uniform pictures. Takes a bit of time to figure out though.

Sort of on topic, is there a thread that highlights posting pics properly? Perhaps highlighting how to size them....I think I saw it here...or perhaps it was another forum....

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 11:49:26 »
It's not here. To set an inline image to a width you like try this:

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 23:00:00 »
There should be a wiki page for every single keyboard.  Every one we know about.  Current models, customs, vintage, etc.  Seriously, it wouldn't be that hard.  A hackathon would probably be needed to get it started, but I see no reason why that shouldn't happen.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 23:52:02 »
There should be a wiki page for every single keyboard.  Every one we know about.  Current models, customs, vintage, etc.  Seriously, it wouldn't be that hard.  A hackathon would probably be needed to get it started, but I see no reason why that shouldn't happen.

The main thing to organise is to make is easily searchable, so that you can quickly determine whether your particular keyboard is in the list or not.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:22:54 »
There should be a wiki page for every single keyboard.  Every one we know about.  Current models, customs, vintage, etc.  Seriously, it wouldn't be that hard.  A hackathon would probably be needed to get it started, but I see no reason why that shouldn't happen.

The main thing to organise is to make is easily searchable, so that you can quickly determine whether your particular keyboard is in the list or not.

Which is why I don't understand why the wiki concept was abandoned.

The way to do it is to made it cross referenced.  Listed by brand (Filco, IBM), type (terminal, PC), switch family (MX, Topre), year, category (Custom, Vintage, modern)

It's easy to specify those things, and that should filter the list down to a handful that will make it obvious if the keyboard has been recorded or not.  Really this is database stuff.  It could benefit from a custom setup using a spreadsheet or perhaps even SQL
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:26:30 »
There was barely any contribution to the mediaWiki and even now there isn't any. It seems that now that it's going away is anyone interested in contributing to it. It hasn't worked for the community.

You're more than welcome to grab an account right now and start proving that the mediaWiki is viable. Samwisekoi can hook you up if you PM him.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:34:07 »
I actually did try it at one point.  Somewhere in my post history there is a message where I asked why I was denied an account on the wiki.  I don't think it was ever answered.

oh, here it is: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36143.msg676658#msg676658
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:38:07 »
Try asking the mods again? I was given an account maybe 6 months ago and it was relatively pain free.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 10:11:55 »
I guess my point was that it was doomed to fail.  As kawa said, "it is necessarily obtuse for now."  In that sense I understand the move to the forum, where it takes literally zero effort for existing users to get started.  It just isn't as good for storing data of an encyclopedic nature.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 11:50:46 »
I agree with the thought that the wiki shouldn't be abandoned. Threads are great for getting a bunch of raw information at the start. But once that data is compiled and will likely only need to be tweaked or have entries updated as we go a wiki make sense.

I think the wiki could be updated in much the same fashion as the Keycap Color thread. With a call for information thread and then an editor to clean it up once it's all collected.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 12:14:23 »
It's not here. To set an inline image to a width you like try this:

Code: [Select]
[img width=<yourpixelwidthhere>]<yoururlhere>[/img]
[img height=<yourpixelheighthere>]<yoururlhere>[/img]

So if I borrow jdcarpe's avatar:

Show Image

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Show Image

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I broke your post with my new avatar. :(

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 12:32:38 »
Fixed it jdcarpe :P

And as far as I know, the mods/admins have concluded the mediaWiki doesn't work for our community. Which is why the Keepers were created to port the format to a forum-esque format.

For me personally? I agree that the Wiki as it stands isn't working. I hate editing the Wiki and so has anyone who has offered to help me in the past. Smallfry refused to work in the Clack Wiki and would ask me to make the updates because the code is frustrating to learn. As a volunteer, I'd rather not spend two hours of my spare time making a picture box work (which yes, I really did) when I can pound out a huge update to a regular forum thread. A Wiki might be way better at organizing but the learning curve for people helping is much higher, like Metalliqaz said.

If people really want, I can talk to mkawa when I see him and rknize to see what their thoughts are on keeping the mediaWiki. But like I said as far as I know, it's going away.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 13:40:32 »
What about just having a separate subforum for wiki posts, and each entry would be a single-post thread. Either lock the thread, so that no one can post comments, or make that subforum read-only except for Keepers. Things can be organized by thread (post), and the subforum links to the threads would act as the TOC.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 13:44:15 »
What about just having a separate subforum for wiki posts, and each entry would be a single-post thread.

That's what's going to happen as I understand it. If there are old timers here, it's going to be setup like the Old GH Wiki. Or if you're familiar with KBD, it's going to be setup similar to their Tips and Tricks section.

Either lock the thread, so that no one can post comments, or make that subforum read-only except for Keepers. Things can be organized by thread (post), and the subforum links to the threads would act as the TOC.

I like the idea of locking threads and then having a thread/post/link that acts as a Table of Contents.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 13:59:58 »
Santa,

I am happy to report that I was good for the first quarter and most of the second this year, and overall goodness returns appear to be trending upwards again! Here's what I want for a GH bbcode wiki-ish Christmas:

1. How awesome would it be (if it's even possible, not getting my hopes up) to write some forum code such that if someone were to write the phrase:
"OMG I cannot wait for another round of DSA Retro!" The phrase 'DSA Retro' would be auto-magically made into a hyperlink to the DSA Retro entry. The magic would come from all the sacrifices the Keerpers make to their dark gods, but still -- it would be awesome if it were possible.

2. The locked forum posts that represent a wiki-entry -- what about making it so that the 'report' button in those forums instead could be used to report inaccuracies (or objections, whatever) to the Keepers? Instead of reading, "Report to Moderator" it could say "Report to Keeper"?

3. Also, my very own Katy set for my Ducky.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 14:03:36 »
Santa,

I am happy to report that I was good for the first quarter and most of the second this year, and overall goodness returns appear to be trending upwards again! Here's what I want for a GH bbcode wiki-ish Christmas:

1. How awesome would it be (if it's even possible, not getting my hopes up) to write some forum code such that if someone were to write the phrase:
"OMG I cannot wait for another round of DSA Retro!" The phrase 'DSA Retro' would be auto-magically made into a hyperlink to the DSA Retro entry. The magic would come from all the sacrifices the Keerpers make to their dark gods, but still -- it would be awesome if it were possible.

2. The locked forum posts that represent a wiki-entry -- what about making it so that the 'report' button in those forums instead could be used to report inaccuracies (or objections, whatever) to the Keepers? Instead of reading, "Report to Moderator" it could say "Report to Keeper"?

3. Also, my very own Katy set for my Ducky.

Thanks for listening Santa. Sorry about the Sofia Vergara thing.

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Basically link keywords like some forums do for advertising purposes but for an educational purpose instead!

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 14:10:25 »
I suggest a glossary of keyboard layouts. This is a fairly obvious suggestion, but it is needed given the number of basic posts about it as well as the increasing number of layouts (40%, 65%, 65% + F keys are all examples of relatively newer layouts).

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 14:17:53 »
Basically link keywords like some forums do for advertising purposes but for an educational purpose instead!

... what? NO! I want to link occurrences of the word "badass" to my profile. Educational purposes... pftt.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 14:28:04 »
I suggest a glossary of keyboard layouts. This is a fairly obvious suggestion, but it is needed given the number of basic posts about it as well as the increasing number of layouts (40%, 65%, 65% + F keys are all examples of relatively newer layouts).

That would be very cool -- all this screams out for a database system, or at least cross-linking. I don't know how difficult it would be to implement something like that.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 15:12:40 »
I have no clue about a database and how it would work with SMF. The Keepers and I can create a cross-linked table of contents of sorts. Similar to this one.

I wonder, if we also include a little section/sentence at the end of the OP with phrases like "Bolt Mod" or "keycap color scheme", will it pop up in a Google search? Then when you search by using "site:geekhack.org <yourqueryhere>" in Google, those articles pop up.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 15:14:39 »
pseudo-tags?

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 11 October 2013, 16:44:08 »
Fixed it jdcarpe :P

And as far as I know, the mods/admins have concluded the mediaWiki doesn't work for our community. Which is why the Keepers were created to port the format to a forum-esque format.

For me personally? I agree that the Wiki as it stands isn't working. I hate editing the Wiki and so has anyone who has offered to help me in the past. Smallfry refused to work in the Clack Wiki and would ask me to make the updates because the code is frustrating to learn. As a volunteer, I'd rather not spend two hours of my spare time making a picture box work (which yes, I really did) when I can pound out a huge update to a regular forum thread. A Wiki might be way better at organizing but the learning curve for people helping is much higher, like Metalliqaz said.

If people really want, I can talk to mkawa when I see him and rknize to see what their thoughts are on keeping the mediaWiki. But like I said as far as I know, it's going away.


we set up the mediawiki because it just seemed like a good idea at the time and we literally had no idea what we were doing. as it turned out, it was a huge pita to connect to smf, and the mediawiki language is incredibly complex and obscure. as a result, we just don't really have a base of contributors. meanwhile, everyone was filling the forum proper with some of the most amazing information ever to be collected in one place. the amount of brain we have collectively here is amazing, but the mediawiki doesn't do it justice because of the impedance of contributing to it. my initial idea was to solve this with search a la google. so we tried pushing sphinx into place (a very fast keyword searcher but with NO semantic capability) and ripped out the smf search, which is horrible. that made things a little better, but there's still a TON of information buried away in little nooks and crannies, and sometimes the only way to get that stuff out is just by tasking people with doing it. so, i started the keepers, and then rather than make them become these kind of controllers of the information stores by forcing them to use the incredibly obtuse mediawiki, russ started designing a modules that allows people to build knowledgebases INTO the forum rather than aside of the forum.

so that's the basic idea. mediawiki has too high an impedance to contribute, and we saw that by the non-participation in it while participation and information in the forum itself grew exponentially at the same time. our proposed solution is to assign a small group of librarians to help guide information organization, but to democratize the entire process by turning the library language into the forum language itself -- bbcode.

the reason not to leave the mediawiki up anyway is several-fold. first, our new module is going to made iit really easy to move between knowledgebase and active forum. this is strictly superior to the mediawiki. second, much like our informational slash discussion threads are called "the living ... thread", the knowledgebase is going to be a living, breathing thing that will deprecate the mediawiki, which frankly i see suffering a very slow painful death even if we were to leave it up. it's a better use of time now to take that information along with the information in the living breathing forum, turn it into this bridge format that uses bbcode as the common language, and then move forward from there.

sure, that's my .02c, but i've been thinking about this pretty hard for a while. when we launched the mediawiki it was only after quite a bit of nail-biting, and seeing it flounder like this has only confirmed our fears that it was the wrong choice. i'd rather back up and fix things then leave half broken projects everywhere.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 12 October 2013, 17:56:52 »
Isn't there a Markdown plugin for MediaWiki? Or you can always use pandoc to convert Markdown to MediaWiki syntax. I mean, its obscure syntax isn't a dealbreaker in the end.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 12 October 2013, 20:48:38 »
there might be, but the plugin architecture for MW is almost as obscure as MW itself. plus MW is ungodly slow and there's still the problem of multiple accounts databases. further, markdown is closer to bbcode but not actual bbcode. i think the correct way forward is to have a near full correspondence and seamless transition between posting on the forum and writing knowledgebase documents.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 05:53:20 »
Move the forum to Markdown. Problem solved. ^_^

There's a reason why StackOverflow, GitHub or Reddit use it.

My main issue with BBCode is that it's basically just retarded HTML.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 08:56:04 »
There's a reason why the forum is on SMF. Mkawa and rknize can explain better than I can though. I'm not sure I can explain well enough why that reason is.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 09:51:20 »
There's a reason why the forum is on SMF. Mkawa and rknize can explain better than I can though. I'm not sure I can explain well enough why that reason is.

Because of our name, we are a target of hacker groups. SMF was the most secure forum option they could find.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 10:40:38 »
Hmm, I would disagree on it being the safest, I would put XenForo as the safest.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 12:22:20 »
Move the forum to Markdown. Problem solved. ^_^

There's a reason why StackOverflow, GitHub or Reddit use it.

My main issue with BBCode is that it's basically just retarded HTML.
my response to this is just way more than i really have time to write right now, but there are many dialects of markdown and the simplest ones are just implicit bbcode. you may think yay that's great but ironically, people are not programmers have no idea how to use it. weird and counter-intuitive, i know, but you just demonstrated that the only forums that have moved to it are ones that programmers use. programmers understand sugar, non-programmers do not is the simple explanation.

anyway, bbcode aka html 1.0, has become the lingua franca of bulletin boards. every board package uses it. it's simple and intuitive and _explicit_. this is why smf also uses it and why people happily use it all day long here. if we suddenly switched them over to to a situation where we're like "NO, ALL THAT STUFF YOU WERE WRITING CAN BE IMPLICITLY ADDED WITH A SINGLE CHARACTER" they'd be like "GUH???".

_explicit_ cues that are extremely simple and constrained are the simplest things in the universe. sure, they're ugly if you have a lot of training in implicit cues, but for most people, bbcode tag it and done.

anyway, you can go ahead and argue markdown vs html 1.0 all you want in OT, but we're using bbcode, because _everyone understands bbcode_, period. hell, if you want something to really rile you up, the simplest markdown dialects are just bbcode where every tag is sugared. BAM, now go argue with people in OT, but not here, because the community itself decided that it preferred bbcode a hell of a long time ago and we're just catching up.


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 13:12:05 »
I've opened this because wiki often requires different stuff, e.g. definition lists, tables or even footnotes. Markdown Extra (and pandoc) supports this in a quite elegant manner, BBCode not so much, if at all. Moreover, Markdown has excellent support in Emacs, especially table-mode is extremely useful. Ordinary user probably wouldn't bother with that, but I still believe people around GH are mostly skilled with technology... it's a forum about technology after all. Thus, I don't think it's fair to speak like that about users here.

BTW we can probably agree that MediaWiki syntax is awkward, but at same time... I've heard countless times it was one of the reasons behind Wikipedia's success.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 13:36:28 »
I've opened this because wiki often requires different stuff, e.g. definition lists, tables or even footnotes. Markdown Extra (and pandoc) supports this in a quite elegant manner, BBCode not so much, if at all. Moreover, Markdown has excellent support in Emacs, especially table-mode is extremely useful. Ordinary user probably wouldn't bother with that, but I still believe people around GH are mostly skilled with technology... it's a forum about technology after all. Thus, I don't think it's fair to speak like that about users here.

I have no idea what any of what you just mentioned is. I don't understand any of the forum differences between Markdown, pandoc, and SMF. I don't know what Emacs is. And unfortunately, I don't have that much free time to figure it all out. It's nice to talk about and wish you could have someone step up and handle all this. But honestly? I've stepped up and I'm not interested in spending *more* of my free time learning coding and forum back code. Bbcode is very nice because it's easy for me to come on and bang out information and contribute. And for as long as I've been here, I've never seen anyone else contribute to the Wiki or even care about it except to talk wistfully about it. I'm not saying I'm the be-all-end-all contributor. I'm just saying that for me, it's nice to just be able to come on for an hour or two, bang out articles and updates, then move on. My time is more efficiently used because there is a lower learning curve. I would happily trade this efficiency for elegance or whatever, even if it means we don't get nice things like a "proper" Wiki.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 14:38:07 »
Markdown is a lightweight markup language just like BBCode and MediaWiki's syntax. It has roots in the long-gone ages when people used simple syntax like *this* and text smileys instead of full blown graphics and HTML—mostly for technical reasons, partly because of netiquette. There are several implementations of Markdown, the most powerful being pandoc and Markdown Extra.

Emacs is a powerful text editor just like Vim. Unlike most 'modern' editors, those support macros, advanced text editing and stuff like scripting. For example, take a look at Emacs' table mode. It make it possible to create good looking tables in plain text with very little effort. Those tables can be used in Markdown documents and exported to plenty of formats using pandoc.

I use extended Markdown to write my thesis, notes in classes, documentation for my projects and even create presentations. I can use just one pandoc call to export the plain text document to HTML, MediaWiki syntax, nice LaTeX template (and then good looking PDF), HTML slides etc. My wiki understands it as well. Once you learn to use these tools, you may experience a great boost in productivity.

Mods, if it's off topic, feel free to move it somewhere else.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 18:13:09 »
i think it's completely appropriate discussion, but i still find it hilarious that you think we should ask the forum users to write their quick and dirty in-progress worklogs and articles in the same SGML derivative that you used to write your thesis in.

again, bbcode is the language of the forum; everyone who posts here learns it, and it's dead simple, since it's just HTML 1.0 (or 0.1 depending on what your view of the w3c was back in the day) with brackets instead of langle and rangle. it's also strict and ridiculously explicit. now that i've been considering the problem for a while i find _myself_ to have been completely misguided in thinking "sure, let's ask everyone to learn a new weird language for marking up their crap for no particular reason!" at any point in time. to echo clinton ca. 92 "it's the content, stupid". people have content coming out of their ears, and you just want to find the lowest common denominator over plain text to let them do that.

markdown is for people who understand unnatural implicit cues and compile stuff in their head. super ****ing explicit and highly restricted SGML aka HTML1 aka bbcode are for people who just want to post some **** and call it a day. that's it.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 13 October 2013, 22:46:53 »
I have build and managed huge forums in the past and they are not as easy to run as you think.

The processing involved to manage the number of topics and who has read what is non-trivial.  The forum software is fast and get the job done.  I would prefer fast to any other feature.

Markdown is alright, but people still have to learn it.  BBCode has worked just fine for longer than any other markup in this field.  MediaWiki markup is painful, that is true, it is harder to learn than Markdown for sure.  The barrier of entry for the majority of people to feel comfortable using it is too high in my opinion.

I don't know who is paying for the servers and dealing with maintenance, but I have to say 'good on ya'.  It is very difficult to manage a community this large and to have the features and hardware to make it run so smoothly. 

Cheers to the keepers, we owe you a drink...

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 10:14:59 »
I am respectfully requesting Keeper of the Faith membership, so that I might deliver more wretched souls unto Geekhack's dark demesne.

EDIT: Also, the bbcode decision is working. If even a troglodytic mouth-breather like me can make it work, then anyone can do it.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 10:18:38 »
Also, the bbcode decision is working. If even a troglodytic mouth-breather like jdcarpe can make it work, then anyone can do it.

QFT

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 10:35:37 »
Also, the bbcode decision is working. If even a troglodytic mouth-breather like jdcarpe can make it work, then anyone can do it.

QFT

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 11:11:30 »
I am respectfully requesting Keeper of the Faith membership, so that I might deliver more wretched souls unto Geekhack's dark demesne.

EDIT: Also, the bbcode decision is working. If even a troglodytic mouth-breather like me can make it work, then anyone can do it.
convince cptbadass. he is head keeper. he's sleeping on my couch right now though, so you might have to wait a bit ;)


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #51 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 11:38:00 »
I am respectfully requesting Keeper of the Faith membership, so that I might deliver more wretched souls unto Geekhack's dark demesne.

EDIT: Also, the bbcode decision is working. If even a troglodytic mouth-breather like me can make it work, then anyone can do it.
convince cptbadass. he is head keeper. he's sleeping on my couch right now though, so you might have to wait a bit ;)

And you can't do anything? Kick the couch, dammit. Step away from your 3D printer for two seconds.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #52 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 21:06:23 »
Any chance we could activate the bbcode for anchor tags? Its very Web 1.0 (pre CSS) but it is easy to use and might make it easier for people to navigate the information. Rather than scroll through a long list, make anchor links at the top.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 21:24:36 »
I'm pretty sure anchors work now.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 06:25:51 »
I'm pretty sure anchors work now.

Just testing: "Everyone at work loves the subtle coloring and style of my Handarbeit keyboard."
Another: "I ****ed my ***** when my SoWaRe arrived, and then I ***** on **** and ****ed all over."
Finally, opening a new window? Let's try: "Should the White Valentine and Valentine sets be considered the same color scheme?"
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 11:39:08 »
I am respectfully requesting Keeper of the Faith membership, so that I might deliver more wretched souls unto Geekhack's dark demesne.

EDIT: Also, the bbcode decision is working. If even a troglodytic mouth-breather like me can make it work, then anyone can do it.
convince cptbadass. he is head keeper. he's sleeping on my couch right now though, so you might have to wait a bit ;)

And you can't do anything? Kick the couch, dammit. Step away from your 3D printer for two seconds.

Disrupting my sleep won garner any good will with me Krog :P
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 11:46:11 »
I am respectfully requesting Keeper of the Faith membership, so that I might deliver more wretched souls unto Geekhack's dark demesne.

EDIT: Also, the bbcode decision is working. If even a troglodytic mouth-breather like me can make it work, then anyone can do it.
convince cptbadass. he is head keeper. he's sleeping on my couch right now though, so you might have to wait a bit ;)

And you can't do anything? Kick the couch, dammit. Step away from your 3D printer for two seconds.

Disrupting my sleep won garner any good will with me Krog :P

Why are you sleeping? Lazy bum...

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 11:47:40 »
I am respectfully requesting Keeper of the Faith membership, so that I might deliver more wretched souls unto Geekhack's dark demesne.

EDIT: Also, the bbcode decision is working. If even a troglodytic mouth-breather like me can make it work, then anyone can do it.
convince cptbadass. he is head keeper. he's sleeping on my couch right now though, so you might have to wait a bit ;)

And you can't do anything? Kick the couch, dammit. Step away from your 3D printer for two seconds.

Disrupting my sleep won garner any good will with me Krog :P

Why are you sleeping? Lazy bum...

... probably covered in pork rind fragments.
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"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 11:49:08 »
Busy sleeping off all this good food I'm eating in LA jdcarpe :P

And Krog....calling me fat and waking me up? Come on, do you even know what "flattery" means?? It might help you to get this position.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 11:52:22 »
Busy sleeping off all this good food I'm eating in LA jdcarpe :P

And Krog....calling me fat --

(Krog shakes bag of pork rinds enticingly)

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and waking me up? Come on, do

(shakes bag a bit more)

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you even know what "flattery" means?? It might help you to get this position.

Fine, another tack: *ahem* "In the annals of keyboard nerdery, no one else but CaptBadass embodies the verve, panache of this noble, noble discipline. Cpt, when you're done receiving your award (having an element named after you must be nice -- but hey, you did discover it) please consider me for a Keeper position, so that I might index more information?"
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Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 11:52:26 »
Busy sleeping off all this good food I'm eating in LA jdcarpe :P

And Krog....calling me fat and waking me up? Come on, do you even know what "flattery" means?? It might help you to get this position.

You better not forget my Japanese curry. Just saying.





I'm kidding...





...or am I?

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 11:56:22 »
We had Japanese food last night and I actually talked about this with mkawa but he won't get his vaccuum seal/pack stuff soon or else we could've gotten you food jdcarpe :P.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 11:57:56 »
I'm kidding...
...or am I?

Already looked. pork rinds have apparently never become animated gifs. Ever.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 12:07:43 »
I'm kidding...
...or am I?

Already looked. pork rinds have apparently never become animated gifs. Ever.

there's always this

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 12:18:36 »
We had Japanese food last night and I actually talked about this with mkawa but he won't get his vaccuum seal/pack stuff soon or else we could've gotten you food jdcarpe :P.

Excuses.

I refuse to believe a couple of engineers couldn't figure out how to connect that 2HP Datavac to his bag sealer. :))


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 12:54:32 »
Well? Do I get to be a Keeper? I mean, I did go ahead and learn how to use anchor tags.
ANCHOR TAGS.
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"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:00:43 »
He has made some contributions to the forum, I guess. He made those banners, and some graphics and stuff. Maybe we should let him in?

:D

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:02:53 »
Keep the ship in place = Anchor the ship in place

keep = anchor

and since keep ~ keeper

thus keeper = anchor

Maths, you gotta love it.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:11:39 »
Krog if they dont let you in their group, you can join mine. The little crown.
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« Last Edit: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:13:56 by Tym »
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:12:26 »
Keep the ship in place = Anchor the ship in place

keep = anchor

and since keep ~ keeper

thus keeper = anchor

Maths, you gotta love it.

The Grand Unified Theory is not far off, folks.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:14:01 »
Korg if they dont let you in their group, you can join mine. The little crown.
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Done! Keepers will rue the day.
Also, sorry about that bit earlier about how "Margaret Thatcher was the last real man in Great Britain." I meant it in a good way.
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"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:14:10 »
He has made some contributions to the forum, I guess. He made those banners, and some graphics and stuff. Maybe we should induct him?

:D
FTFY

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #72 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:16:49 »
So many groups!
Meanwhile, jdcarpe's avatar continues to have Ioun Stones in orbit.
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"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #73 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:18:57 »
Moz why not? :))

Krog, I had a fair bit of respect for her :Massive off-topic political discussion here:
But youre both in!
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:20:24 »
Krog if they dont let you in their group, you can join mine. The little crown.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:22:27 »
Sure thing Brian!
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #76 on: Wed, 16 October 2013, 13:24:44 »
Krog if they dont let you in their group, you can join mine. The little crown.
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Can I be the dark lord of ordinary?

Not unless you go back to the old avatar! Ray eating Invisi-Hoagie was great!
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 09:51:26 »
In the interest of keeping the Keepers of the Faith operation as transparent as possible, I would like to inform everyone that I now have global moderator privileges but not moderator responsibilities. This is so I can edit and move information without bugging mkawa or hashbaz or the mod/admin team.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 18:07:09 »
In the interest of keeping the Keepers of the Faith operation as transparent as possible, I would like to inform everyone that I now have global moderator privileges but not moderator responsibilities. This is so I can edit and move information without bugging mkawa or hashbaz or the mod/admin team.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 19:02:41 »
I don't like this. You're too new. You don't even know where things should be moved...

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 19:03:16 »
Sure I do!

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 19:07:05 »
FFFUUUUUUUU-

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 19:26:01 »
You must use your powers for good.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #83 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 22:30:39 »
^^ I needed the laugh!!

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 20 November 2013, 08:14:44 »

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 20 November 2013, 08:26:13 »
I have little motivation to learn mediawiki to be frank bpiphany. I'd rather spend my time working on bbcode posts. I think the Simple Questions thread is a good show of how often I update threads.

Daniel Beardsmore is incredible and the DT Wiki is lucky to have him. Hell I think I read everything he posts here on GH 'cause I have a lot of respect for him. But I don't think the GH Wiki needs to be a copy of the DT Wiki, nor do I really want work in mediawiki. And I've asked a lot of people for help and all have said for format of mediawiki isn't for them. We haven't found anyone who wants to be dedicated to setting it up and maintain it.

Different strokes for different folks? :D
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 20 November 2013, 09:34:49 »
Or you could just use the tool made for the job. Wiki engine for the wiki, forum engine for the forum. It's not like mediawiki is some fringe-odd-one-out-wiki-markup, it's used on freakin' wikipedia (which should account for a lot in itself) and many many thousands of other wikis.

And yes, a lot of the activity on the DT wiki is from Daniel. There probably needs to be someone putting in a lot of hard work keeping a wiki organized. Perhaps there is someone who would do that in a subforum here, or that person is simply missing on GH and that's why the wiki is in the state it is.

No, the cover-all-keyboard-stuff wiki on GH does of course not need to be a copy of the cover-all-keyboard-stuff wiki on DT. But I, for one, would pick one wiki and concentrate on adding material there. I don't believe users in general are going to care too much to add the same things in two locations.

There are going to be two camp for sure, nothing wrong with that, but I just can't see the markup language being a major obstacle. Mediawiki is quite simple, there are a few common things you'll learn quickly, and then you google the more uncommon commands when you need them. I don't know bbcode almost at all, but that doesn't stop me from posting on the forums...

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 20 November 2013, 09:45:38 »
Mediawiki is quite simple, there are a few common things you'll learn quickly, and then you google the more uncommon commands when you need them. I don't know bbcode almost at all, but that doesn't stop me from posting on the forums...

But that's the thing. It's simple for you since you're used to writing code. I'm not. The Clack Wiki article I made has taken way more time than I'd like to admit and like I said before, I no longer have interest in dealing with the mediawiki code. It's not simple or intuitive for me. Those little picture box windows in the Clack Wiki article? Just the picture took me two hours to figure out. I don't have that much time to figure out and sort every article. Easier to crowdsource and compile bbcode threads.

And yes, a lot of the activity on the DT wiki is from Daniel. There probably needs to be someone putting in a lot of hard work keeping a wiki organized. Perhaps there is someone who would do that in a subforum here, or that person is simply missing on GH and that's why the wiki is in the state it is.

I think this is the case. I've stepped up to be this person on GeekHack and I've stated my opinion on Mediawiki. I'm more than happy if you want to help with mediawiki or can refer me to someone who is willing to help with the GH wiki.

But I, for one, would pick one wiki and concentrate on adding material there. I don't believe users in general are going to care too much to add the same things in two locations.

I'm more than happy to work with the DT Wiki team if they're looking for help and if that's what you're suggesting. I think that the GH Wiki should cover other things such as guides and instructions rather than raw info like the DT Wiki does. But I'm not sure how the GH Wiki is going to shape up in the end.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 24 November 2013, 18:30:37 »
What the Keepers will do once the new Wiki is up:

1) Help gather and sort information
  • The community has tons of information spewed everywhere. Even our (or my) attempts at compiling this information such as the Simple Questions Simple Answers thread and Clack Wiki, are a bit clumsy. With a dedicated team and help from everyone, this can be easier

2) Create concrete goals
  • Instead having things mentioned off hand, we're going to take suggestions, and make concrete goals...


What the community will do once the new Wiki is up:

Help us with the new Wiki. Post your ideas/comments/concerns in this thread. Help us help you.

  • We want your input, your time in helping us hunt information down, your comments, feedback, ideas, criticism...


My post in a another section, about a comprehensive FAQ, was in the spirit of the above -- before I realized this section was here.  The questions I suggested added to the FAQ are NOT questions I personally have at this time.  They were just suggestions.  The various comments I am listing below are also just suggestions.

1) In my brief experience here there are some things I have noticed about searching. 
  • I am finding keyword matches which more often than not do not really address the question.  That is OK of course as I can look at all of the results, but this is generally a problem solved by searching on tags rather than content keywords.
  • In search results pages I have to remember to open results in a new tab because for some reason I can't navigate back to the search results page (expired).
  • I have found what I have been looking for in a search, then decided to go back and reread the post again, but having forgotten to bookmark the page I could not find it a second time by searching.  It was a one word search term so I don't know why this is.
2) A valuable tool in both program design and user-interface design is a use-case-approach.   For the most part this is dealt with here by the different top-level topics.  But what it misses is consideration of types of users. And this is why it matters:

At one extreme are the one time visitor looking for an answer, when found or not they will never return to the board.  The other extreme is for enthusiasts who sees this as part of their extended community.  Bare with me here, but the first type of user might check the FAQ, might search, might post a question that has been answered many times before, and might not even return to check if the post was answered.  My description of my search experience is in reference to this.  A comprehensive FAQ solves the problem of extraneous account creation and repetitive asking of the same question. It lets that type of user ricochet off the site.    This leaves the rest of the site for others wanting more depth, interaction that does not fall neatly into a FAQ.  If I am right, that is sort of a goal here. But, I'll wait for feedback before commenting further.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 24 November 2013, 20:01:12 »
If you're looking to improve the search experience, I'm totally with you. The GH search is horrible and I use Google to search the site more often than not. That being said, the staff knows it and rkinze has actually already upgraded the site once this year.

So I hate to be this guy but I'm just organizing the Wiki. The actual backend stuff is out of my hands. I'm not sure if you've seen the Feedback/Suggestions sub-forum but that's the place to take up the search suggestions.

I directed you here after you posted in Simple Questions. I believe the OP covers your questions but I'm open to discussion if you'd like to expand on that here. I believe the Simple Questions thread is extremely comprehensive as is. Things like a full listing of keyboards doesnt fall into tha FAQ in my opinion. Especially since the DT Wiki has much of the info you wanted such as the list of Topre Boards.

My vision is for the GH Wiki be for things like SQSA, mods, and guides on things like where to get LEDs. I feel the DT Wiki does a fantastic job of doing straight facts. I think that's what you're hinting at. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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« Reply #90 on: Mon, 25 November 2013, 06:53:53 »
Ah,  the previous link I clicked for the DT Wiki was a sub-page and I didn't realize it.  Now seeing the top-level it does look comprehensive.

Searching via Google addresses the remainder of my suggestion (except for tags) - and is easy since you can create shortcuts for site specific searching from the location bar in Firefox (and Chrome, perhaps others too). Nice explanation here.

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« Reply #91 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 11:45:33 »
I do not think it is a technical limitation.  I expressed interest in the wiki months ago and still do not have an account.  Not that I care to anymore.  When the wiki first came about it seemed very "cool kids club" or "vip".  This will limit community involvement.  Now I see a thread on librarians.  Will they just help maintain content?  Are they the only people that can contribute content?  It's not clear.  Meanwhile at DT I show up during the time of rootworm and make one wiki page.  I later find out someone on DT noticed that I did that and even entered me in some wiki contest.  I got no votes and did not win anything but you can imagine that as a user, to some degree, I felt included in something.  Your job should be simple: choose the tool, configure, harden, integrate, and open the floodgate to authenticated users.  As long as it is not illegal, spam, or against the mission statement of your wiki you shouldn't care who or how information is contributed.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #92 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 11:52:22 »
Now I see a thread on librarians.  Will they just help maintain content?  Are they the only people that can contribute content?  It's not clear.

I thought I mentioned this in the OP but just to clarify we're just here to curate the content. Yes we still head up projects but my hope is that the community will create what they want and maintain their threads. Good examples of this include the All Keycaps Thread, vun's mouse thread, and Krogenar's SP ABS color ring work.


Your job should be simple: choose the tool, configure, harden, integrate, and open the floodgate to authenticated users.  As long as it is not illegal, spam, or against the mission statement of your wiki you shouldn't care who or how information is contributed.

You've got it. The current Wiki format wasn't inclusive and the shift to an open bbcode format will allow any member to contribute. The Keepers are here to curate, fact-check, and aggregate the information that the community provides.


Meanwhile at DT I show up during the time of rootworm and make one wiki page.  I later find out someone on DT noticed that I did that and even entered me in some wiki contest.  I got no votes and did not win anything but you can imagine that as a user, to some degree, I felt included in something. 

Again, this is exactly what I'm hoping the new Wiki will do. Open the Wiki/information environment to everyone so everyone can contribute.
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« Reply #93 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 11:54:21 »
So when is this new wiki magic going to happen??

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 11:56:34 »
So when is this new wiki magic going to happen??

http://pimpmykeyboard.com/

isn't it obvious?
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 11:56:55 »
So when is this new wiki magic going to happen??

Again, it's not up to me/us. We're waiting on news just like everyone else. mkawa and rkinze would be better people to ask.
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« Reply #96 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 12:00:14 »
So when is this new wiki magic going to happen??

http://pimpmykeyboard.com/

isn't it obvious?

No thats the new group buy platform  ::)

Unless your referring to mkawa becoming CEO of SP and releasing an SSK after buying up enough shares of their stock for a hostile takeover with all that geekhackers money.
 
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement
« Reply #97 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 08:46:07 »
So when is this new wiki magic going to happen??

Again, it's not up to me/us. We're waiting on news just like everyone else. mkawa and rkinze would be better people to ask.

Got an update from rkinze today.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #98 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 08:00:38 »
I read through this thread and understand the direction you guys are going in, and why, but I'm wondering if you ever checked this site out:

http://www.wikimatrix.org

There are probably more options out there for wikis than anything else  :)

There's a wiki wizard and pretty advanced search where you can choose the options you're looking for. There's quite a bit to choose from. You can even search for ones that support bbcode, although it seems the most mature and current ones are commercial.

We use confluence at work. No writing code, you just use the WYSIWYG. Atlassian products are expensive, but you can apply for a community license. No source code access with one of those licenses though.

https://www.atlassian.com/software/views/community-license-request


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #99 on: Fri, 18 April 2014, 08:32:36 »
No I haven't. I'll have to take a look through that and see if it's compatible with the GH forum software. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #100 on: Fri, 18 April 2014, 12:27:29 »
I doubt confluence would work well with simple machines. It would also have heavier system requirements, it's a big java app. It was more of an example of what else could be out there...even in the commercial world of software.

I did come across 1 interesting wiki after a couple more searches. It's called docuwiki. I remember looking at it briefly years ago, I ruled it out because I was set on having a wiki that stores its data in mysql - it uses files on the file system. But it does look incredibly easy to integrate its authentication module with a simple machines database (or any database for that matter)...and the maintainers claim flat files are an advantage for scalability.

https://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:authmysql

Anyway, as long as whatever you guys are doing has a good search feature and the information is easy to find, it'll be a great information repository, which is really all that's important IMHO.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #101 on: Fri, 18 April 2014, 13:09:03 »
I've PMed some people about the Confluence plugin. I'm intrigued by that. Docuwiki still has some syntax to learn that isn't bbcode/Markdown so I'm not thrilled with that idea. I'm looking into it more :D. Thanks for the suggestions.
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« Reply #102 on: Fri, 18 April 2014, 17:09:40 »
Oh, I didn't mean to imply there's an integration with confluence. Sorry for the confusion! Or did you find something?

If someone here is a java wizard, I think you can still develop plugins with the plugin SDK even without the confluence source code (though don't quote me on that.)


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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #103 on: Fri, 18 April 2014, 17:12:02 »
Oh...I'm actually horrible with code which is why I sent out PMs. I need to ask people who do know like mkawa :D
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« Reply #104 on: Fri, 18 April 2014, 19:34:30 »
Dokuwiki supports Markdown with a plugin.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #105 on: Sat, 03 May 2014, 09:35:12 »
There was a discussion in the clack wiki thread that I'd thought I'd link here in case there's been a change in the tides. Previously it seemed that there was no interest in helping work on the wiki.

And that goes for anyone else. While the mediawiki is up, you can get am account and start helping. All I ever see is people complain about the wiki going away. Don't want it to? Prove to me that it's useful and viable for geekhack. Yes I am the head off the wikiteam/Keepers of the faith so I can ask the admins and mods to keep the status quo. And of course I'm sure the team will let me and everyone else know their opinion as as well.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 16:43:13 »
Maybe a list of wiki articles that have been updated since this was introduced would be warranted.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 18 May 2014, 02:48:42 »
For some reason, I'm not getting info when I try and see the most recent changes in the Wiki. I will say that if I recall correctly that the last huge rash of changes was when I was working on the Clack Wiki.



I've updated the second post to better reflect what the team has been working on.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #108 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:09:54 »
I would like to build/maintain a professional services area of the wiki.
Articles/Guides explaining what a mod is and how to do it can link to people that will do the mods for you etc etc.
Please let me know if your interested after the wiki is in place.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:15:44 »
Those sound great! You can start those threads now in Post Wiki Workshop and I'll make sure they get moved into the new Wiki. And we can migrate your thread that you have now for Professional Services over as well!
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:43:10 »
Can you sticky it to classified after you move it?

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:48:42 »
I don't know but I can always sticky a link in the Classifieds with a link to the Wiki page.
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« Reply #112 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 20:05:03 »
in that case let me learn and buildup the new page first.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #113 on: Fri, 04 July 2014, 10:20:33 »
just caught up to this-- big task guys

thanks for taking on the endeavor.................hopefully after you guys get it out and running we won't lose like when GH crashed a couple years ago

that was pretty brutal for a while :-\

whatever us dweebs can provide to help let us know

one thing i have enjoyed is a few of you guys, GH'rs have uploaded video and audio relating to particular switch sounds and effects. that would be pretty informative if we could round that out even further; example cpt and his KS with blue alps, model m's (bolt modded - non bolt modded) and so forth...........

there is a lot already available on youtube, etc.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #114 on: Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:37:27 »
I have a suggestion: open up editing the wiki to the userbase, moderate it, keep certain pages locked down and get it growing. There would be some quality issues, but those could be ironed out I think that's better than having massive voids. Even stub entries with external links would be better than no page at all.

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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 03 March 2015, 09:42:09 »
I have a suggestion: open up editing the wiki to the userbase, moderate it, keep certain pages locked down and get it growing. There would be some quality issues, but those could be ironed out I think that's better than having massive voids. Even stub entries with external links would be better than no page at all.

I think they've given up on the wiki, most people use the one over at deskthority.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #116 on: Tue, 03 March 2015, 10:48:10 »
Before I left the Curator posting, I was told that rkinze was ready to roll something out. Jdcarpe and the admin/mod team would know better than I at this point.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #117 on: Tue, 03 March 2015, 10:53:25 »
I have a suggestion: open up editing the wiki to the userbase, moderate it, keep certain pages locked down and get it growing. There would be some quality issues, but those could be ironed out I think that's better than having massive voids. Even stub entries with external links would be better than no page at all.

I think they've given up on the wiki, most people use the one over at deskthority.

It would still be nice to have our own that could be edited.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #118 on: Tue, 03 March 2015, 13:29:45 »
It would still be nice to have our own that could be edited.

It would. GH has a solid community and double the users (I just made this up from the online accounts on both sites right now), we'd make short work of a community wiki and I think it would be good for the community. We could make it a GeekHack wiki in the sense that there can be pages about the community included - such as for Brobots etc.

Any mods or admins reading this thread? I'll have to check that list you made CPTBadAss.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #119 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:54:10 »
As the Keepers have been disbanded (at least for now), should this thread no longer be sticky (for now)?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #120 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:01:28 »
As the Keepers have been disbanded (at least for now), should this thread no longer be sticky (for now)?

Ahem...

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #121 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:03:16 »
As the Keepers have been disbanded (at least for now), should this thread no longer be sticky (for now)?

Ahem...

Is Curator the same as Keeper?

I read somewhere that the Keepers had been disbanded.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #122 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:05:29 »
As the Keepers have been disbanded (at least for now), should this thread no longer be sticky (for now)?

Ahem...

Is Curator the same as Keeper?

I read somewhere that the Keepers had been disbanded.

Yes, the name was changed from Keepers of the Faith to Curators. I am the last one, as the rest quit.

I may be moving to a different staff position, since the Curator role can probably be rolled into another job or team.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #123 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:06:52 »
As the Keepers have been disbanded (at least for now), should this thread no longer be sticky (for now)?

Ahem...

Is Curator the same as Keeper?

I read somewhere that the Keepers had been disbanded.

Yes, the name was changed from Keepers of the Faith to Curators. I am the last one, as the rest quit.

I may be moving to a different staff position, since the Curator role can probably be rolled into another job or team.

Then my question still stands (although perhaps slightly pre-emptive) - should this thread no longer be sticky?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #124 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:27:59 »
As the Keepers have been disbanded (at least for now), should this thread no longer be sticky (for now)?

Ahem...

Is Curator the same as Keeper?

I read somewhere that the Keepers had been disbanded.

Yes, the name was changed from Keepers of the Faith to Curators. I am the last one, as the rest quit.

I may be moving to a different staff position, since the Curator role can probably be rolled into another job or team.

Then my question still stands (although perhaps slightly pre-emptive) - should this thread no longer be sticky?
Yeah, it will probably be archived with the other Keeper/Curator stuff when that happens.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #125 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:28:38 »
As the Keepers have been disbanded (at least for now), should this thread no longer be sticky (for now)?

Ahem...

Is Curator the same as Keeper?

I read somewhere that the Keepers had been disbanded.

Yes, the name was changed from Keepers of the Faith to Curators. I am the last one, as the rest quit.

I may be moving to a different staff position, since the Curator role can probably be rolled into another job or team.

Then my question still stands (although perhaps slightly pre-emptive) - should this thread no longer be sticky?
Yeah, it will probably be archived with the other Keeper/Curator stuff when that happens.

It's a shame.  I guess GH just wasn't ready for that kind of thing.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #126 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 23:06:53 »
So have we given up on the idea of a Wiki?

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #127 on: Thu, 26 March 2015, 23:19:16 »


If the wiki ever does get revived, I would be DTE (down to edit).

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #128 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 10:04:09 »
So have we given up on the idea of a Wiki?

This is why I populated the old wiki with the "[Artisan Services] - Directory"
I plan to move it to the new wiki whenever it is available.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #129 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 10:10:07 »
So have we given up on the idea of a Wiki?

What do you think of a "wiki" in this style? This was my effort to present information in a logical way.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69582.0

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #130 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 10:30:12 »


I may be moving to a different staff position

#hype

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #131 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 10:59:02 »
There's always the Deskthority Wiki, eh.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #132 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 11:00:24 »
There's always the Deskthority Wiki, eh.

Yes, and really not much of a need to overlap information, I don't think.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #133 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 11:18:06 »
So have we given up on the idea of a Wiki?

What do you think of a "wiki" in this style? This was my effort to present information in a logical way.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69582.0

It's ok, but it's still missing a lot and some good links.  There's also the problem that some of the guides have newer counterparts, some of which are better in some areas maybe worse in others.  A proper wiki gives more room to add and adjust things, to make it so people are better informed, and make it so people don't have to go digging through sometimes 50+ pages to find something helpful.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #134 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 11:28:56 »
So have we given up on the idea of a Wiki?

What do you think of a "wiki" in this style? This was my effort to present information in a logical way.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69582.0

It's ok, but it's still missing a lot and some good links.  There's also the problem that some of the guides have newer counterparts, some of which are better in some areas maybe worse in others.  A proper wiki gives more room to add and adjust things, to make it so people are better informed, and make it so people don't have to go digging through sometimes 50+ pages to find something helpful.

It wasn't supposed to be all-inclusive. That was just a test of how to organize the information without having 20+ stickies at the top of MST.

What's the point of having a proper wiki, when DT has one? Having the info indexed in a post, and pointing to another thread allows for the information to be thoroughly discussed.

If people want a true wiki, that's fine. I didn't think there was enough interest to get one going.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #135 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 11:50:45 »
I was always an advocate of updating the DT Wiki to have a "real Wiki" and then having a Wiki entry like what JD has which is more based on making guides. Like how to do a bolt mod for Model Ms.
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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #136 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 11:57:31 »
I think CPTBadAss better states what I'm trying to say JD.  A collection of guides like that is all fine and good, but a wiki with guides is better.  In the article, you can point to other threads, but also have a how-to that can be updated or that contains multiple ways of doing something.  It's an easier to use and easier to search format.

Not only that, but if and when a photo is no longer valid in a thread, it's gone forever.  If you have a wiki, you can update them or host them onsite.  It makes for less data loss.

I get what you're saying about the keyboard wiki on DT too, but I also know there has been a lot of frustration with how things get handled there. It would be nice to have the option to update stuff here if we wanted to.

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #137 on: Fri, 27 March 2015, 12:55:11 »
So have we given up on the idea of a Wiki?

What do you think of a "wiki" in this style? This was my effort to present information in a logical way.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69582.0

I would like a actual wiki app that we can all contribute to like these http://www.gamepedia.com/wikis

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #138 on: Sun, 24 May 2015, 15:11:01 »
So, about that whole Wiki thing... Is it officially dead? Or as close around the corner as the GH60?

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Re: Keepers of the Faith Mission Statement - New GH Wiki
« Reply #139 on: Sun, 31 May 2015, 10:44:48 »
I was always an advocate of updating the DT Wiki to have a "real Wiki" and then having a Wiki entry like what JD has which is more based on making guides. Like how to do a bolt mod for Model Ms.

This sounds a good idea. Factual information should be kept separate and distinguished from guides; but both should have a place within a good wiki.