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Offline E TwentyNine

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Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 18:08:56 »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301036261185

Ships US only.

Seller has all positive feedback but none in last 12 months.
« Last Edit: Thu, 05 December 2013, 18:13:51 by E TwentyNine »
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the seller has 33 feedback?

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the seller has 33 feedback?

Right you are.  I saw the last 12 months and no percentage listed.   Updated my post.

Thanks.
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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 19:24:46 »
I went 3 years without selling anything. Sold hundreds of items before, and since.

My buying and selling patterns ebb and flow considerably.

Also, I was very grateful to my first few buyers, who, by the way, got some great deals.

I would say that this guy has analyzed recent activity and priced a solid item in its current market range. Looks like a totally legit seller to me.

However, "low" starting price + reserve + BIN shows that he is not really sure of himself, and is hedging a variety of bets. He is paying ebay several unnecessary fees in buying useless bells and whistles, just like they want him to do.
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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 21:51:16 »
I agree with fohat; sometimes a seller doesn't do anything for several years and then decides to clean out his garage and sell 100 items.

Also agree with fohat that seller is paying Ebay unnecessary fees. It doesn't matter if he sells or not; ebay is already a winner because they get to charge you for putting a high reserve price.

Seller should just have done BIN at $299 with a one month deadline. As I once said to fohat, you only need to sell to ONE customer. So you only need to sell to the guy who will pay most, some impatient guy who doesn't want to wait for auctions.

In any case I am not in the market for an SSK now, but hey, to the guys working on the SSK revival project, you guys have your work cut out for you! SSK Massdrop 2014, is that possible? It should deflate this market sufficiently!


I went 3 years without selling anything. Sold hundreds of items before, and since.

My buying and selling patterns ebb and flow considerably.

Also, I was very grateful to my first few buyers, who, by the way, got some great deals.

I would say that this guy has analyzed recent activity and priced a solid item in its current market range. Looks like a totally legit seller to me.

However, "low" starting price + reserve + BIN shows that he is not really sure of himself, and is hedging a variety of bets. He is paying ebay several unnecessary fees in buying useless bells and whistles, just like they want him to do.
Most of the modding can be done on your own once you break through the psychological barriers.

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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 03:30:58 »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Model-M-Space-Saver-Clicky-85-Key-Keyboard-/181270704191?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2a3493703f

here's one ending in 18 hours.

its ISO, in texas, and currently at $202 with $12 shipping (for me)

built by Unicomp in 2002 under IBM license. <-- why don't they make more :o
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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 20:07:53 »
built by Unicomp in 2002 under IBM license. <-- why don't they make more :o

as it's been said they can't I'm told the reason is they cannot get the membranes made.

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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 21:20:41 »

is it because UNicomp isn't really interested in getting the membranes made, or because it's genuinely impossible without investing a huge amount of money into the machines?

I think this is an issue worth thinking about. If the revival project requires membranes, and nobody makes these membranes anymore and you have to pay the factory $20 million to get the membrane machinery, then the revival project won't work because even though the demand for SSKs is very substantial (eg maybe 10000 people will buy on Massdrop), even if they pre-paid $200 each that won't be enough to pay for more than 10% of a $20m investment in machines.

But if it's only a question of minor adjustments to existing machinery, say a cost of $50,000, then getting support for that is a cinch. Within a few hours of posting on Massdrop, you could probably get 500 people to prepay $100 each.

I don't believe Unicomp doesn't want to make money. I believe it's because they don't know how to, and don't want to take any risks. They prefer to make these ugly conservative old keyboards and sell to businesses and schools. A business or public institution would snap up hundreds in a single order, enough for Unicomp to customize things like business logos and keycaps if they wanted.

If somebody organizes 1,000 or more people to offer a $100k deposit to Unicomp it becomes a serious business proposition.

Seriously, I think the demand for SSKs is probably at least 10x that of Ergodoxes. If Ergodox can meet MOQ of 200 within a few weeks four times, surely a mass order that collected responses over a year can garner a few thousand responses for SSK.  We just lack a catalyst - a group buy organizer. Nobody is crazy enough to organize that kind of group buy. Can you imagine the logistics?

built by Unicomp in 2002 under IBM license. <-- why don't they make more :o

as it's been said they can't I'm told the reason is they cannot get the membranes made.
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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 07 December 2013, 21:30:02 »
Is the SSK demand really that high?

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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 05:03:00 »
Is the SSK demand really that high?

Compared to the ergodox... no... very low. Cause there is only a small number of people who want a noisy board, that is nearly as big as a modern fullsize keyboard, has no windows keys or other fancy media keys and looks like it just jumped out of a 90s movie.

Massdrop can sell huge number of ergodox, but would never sell an amount of ssks near to that. The ergodox hit a market niche. SSK is attractive to some freaks/writers/retro guys... but the ergodox is for the masses. It combines something new (that they may not have seen before), the ability to build it themself and promises comfort while typing. So... I can understand the ergodox hype. It is also popular outside of a world like geekhack. I think most of the buyers give a **** if its mechanical, they buy it cause of the layout and cause it looks fancy. I see no reason why normal people should buy an ancient keyboard like the ssk, beside the already mentioned fringe group.

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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 05:31:27 »
but guys on the fringe are quite crazy too, at least enough to really bid up the SSK in Ebay auctions.

And what's that I see in your signature? SIX SSKs? Are you an octopus? Or do you just have a bunch of work locations that you have to shuttle between, so you have an SSK in every office?


Is the SSK demand really that high?

Compared to the ergodox... no... very low. Cause there is only a small number of people who want a noisy board, that is nearly as big as a modern fullsize keyboard, has no windows keys or other fancy media keys and looks like it just jumped out of a 90s movie.

Massdrop can sell huge number of ergodox, but would never sell an amount of ssks near to that. The ergodox hit a market niche. SSK is attractive to some freaks/writers/retro guys... but the ergodox is for the masses. It combines something new (that they may not have seen before), the ability to build it themself and promises comfort while typing. So... I can understand the ergodox hype. It is also popular outside of a world like geekhack. I think most of the buyers give a **** if its mechanical, they buy it cause of the layout and cause it looks fancy. I see no reason why normal people should buy an ancient keyboard like the ssk, beside the already mentioned fringe group.
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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 08:00:15 »
The SSK is attractive to some freaks/writers/retro guys... but the ergodox is for the masses.

The "masses" don't assemble thier own keyboards  :rolleyes:

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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 08:06:35 »
The SSK is attractive to some freaks/writers/retro guys... but the ergodox is for the masses.

The "masses" don't assemble thier own keyboards  :rolleyes:

yes, should have put masses in quotation marks...

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Re: Sep 1987 SSK , $99 starting, $329 BIN, +$20 Shipped.
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 08 December 2013, 10:16:25 »
Must resist