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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 15 February 2014, 23:12:26 »
well jd is doing another teensy group buy, and if one were to hurry, he might get an order submitted in time.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 15 February 2014, 23:15:03 »
well jd is doing another teensy group buy, and if one were to hurry, he might get an order submitted in time.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 15 February 2014, 23:15:55 »
well jd is doing another teensy group buy, and if one were to hurry, he might get an order submitted in time.

Already have 2 ordered and paid :p

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 15 February 2014, 23:31:45 »
I got a little bit fancier with my converter. A little overbuilt, but it was fun. It is completely detachable. I need to clean up the USB side hole, but here she is:

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 15 February 2014, 23:48:39 »
I did not buy all of these specifically for this converter, but I had them so I used them. Main parts:


I also used some screws and standoffs:

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I had some of these DIY USB connectors which I used to make a short little cable to go from the sparkfun breakout board to the teensy.

I cut up some more of the WYSE PCB to have something to mount everything on. That project box has slots on the sides for a PCB to slide in.

For the 4P4C connector, it would have been too tall with standoffs, so Icut up some foam shelf liner and put three layers of it between the bottom PCB and the connector PCB for a cushion, and then I screwed it to the bottom piece of PCB with m3x8mm screws and some spare M3 dome nuts from one of MOZ's cases.

Oh, and obviously I had to drill my own holes in everything  :p

Amazing.  I How do you like that teensy break out board?

I really liked using the teensy breakout board. Such a great idea you had there. This is the first thing I have found to use it on. I'm really not sure how I would have mounted the teensy without it. I guess using a bread board like metalliqaz did would have been the best. I think his converter box looks really sharp. I wanted mine to be completely detachable though, and I also like the idea of not having to plug the USB cable directly into the teensy so as not to stress the solder joints on it. If the breakout board fails, it was very cheap and will probably be easier to fix or replace than the teensy.
 
ETA: @melvang, if the teensy breakout board ever gets a redesign, maybe you should consider having the mounting holes so that you could mount it close to the edge of whatever enclosure it is in so that the USB socket is more accessible. Just a thought. That is the main reason I had to use a second breakout board here.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 16 February 2014, 00:16:35 »
Nice idea there.  I think there might be enough room if you use motherboard standoffs to put the teensy on the bottom of the breakout board.  Just eyeballing it it should fit but I know what you are saying.  ODH actually did all the Kicad work on it.  All I really did was promoted the idea and then got the pieces made from OshPark.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 16 February 2014, 00:31:43 »
Yeah, i think it will fit on the bottom no problem. But I was thinking that the whole thing could be made shorter and wider so that the mounting holes are out to the sides.

Also, I think I just made this thing even more awesome:

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 16 February 2014, 00:37:50 »
I see what you are saying.  Problem is I have no idea how to work Kicad.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 20 February 2014, 00:14:46 »
Hey all.  I was poking around ebay earlier and found these; the connector looks like nothing I've seen on WYSE thus far, and it has alps instead of cherry switches.  If anyone has anymore information on it that'd be interesting, at the very least.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 20 February 2014, 04:37:03 »
The connector is the same as a WY50, but the layout is certainly not! It ought to be possible to make it work by removing the cable and using my Controller firmware in the same way as the WY50, although of course the key mappings will be different.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 25 February 2014, 18:39:09 »
Just finished mine, I'll probably clean up the connection though.  I like the project box idea.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 11:11:37 »
Found where I can buy Teensy 2.0 in my country. As I have spare WYSE board, why not?

But I want elaborate about socket. When I'll plug cable into socket on by board, lines on them (if I look front into socket on board) will be mirrored? So where are "data" line on pic will be "ground" and vice versa?
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 15:23:11 »
Found where I can buy Teensy 2.0 in my country. As I have spare WYSE board, why not?

But I want elaborate about socket. When I'll plug cable into socket on by board, lines on them (if I look front into socket on board) will be mirrored? So where are "data" line on pic will be "ground" and vice versa?

Yes, I think that is correct.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 21:43:14 »
I still need a source of 4p4c connectors that I can mount easily. This is thus far proving to be the hardest part. Maybe I'll just get some cables and cut the ends off.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 21:51:32 »
I still need a source of 4p4c connectors that I can mount easily. This is thus far proving to be the hardest part. Maybe I'll just get some cables and cut the ends off.

I have a bunch of pcbs with 4p4c connectors. I just cut the corner off of one and used it as you can see in my pics somewhere above. PM me if you want to get some of these from me.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 22:39:32 »
I still need a source of 4p4c connectors that I can mount easily. This is thus far proving to be the hardest part. Maybe I'll just get some cables and cut the ends off.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 15 April 2014, 23:45:16 »
Look Ma, no external converter box!

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 01:08:04 »
Look Ma, no external converter box!

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Very nice.

On a side note, I have that exact speaker setup connected to my PS3 in the living room.  Great speakers for home audio on a very strict budget (if you can find them anymore).
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 13:42:33 »
Look Ma, no external converter box!

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Very nice.

On a side note, I have that exact speaker setup connected to my PS3 in the living room.  Great speakers for home audio on a very strict budget (if you can find them anymore).

Cool. Yeah, somebody gave me those speakers, but I like them, mostly because of the big volume knob which is not directly attached to one of the speakers.

Also, you might be interested to know that I mounted a pro micro in that WYSE board using one of the original teensy breakout boards from OSH Park that you had the idea for. There was just barely enough room for it to be mounted. At some point I will take pictures and post, but I forgot to take any before I put the whole thing back together.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 24 May 2014, 07:31:38 »
Confirmation that it works with WY30 (840013-01).  Thanks...   :thumb:

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 17:01:39 »
For both ATmega32U4 and AT90USB1286, connect as follows:
Data -> PD0
Clock -> PD1
+5V -> VCC
GND -> GND

what about Pro Micro?

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 17:18:30 »
Here is the pinout:
73175-0

Not sure where PD0 is routed on that thing, but you should be able to trace it yourself.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #74 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 17:41:00 »
For both ATmega32U4 and AT90USB1286, connect as follows:
Data -> PD0
Clock -> PD1
+5V -> VCC
GND -> GND

what about Pro Micro?
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 12:07:14 »
Someone can explain it to me how to make it work step by step for "newbie".

I have got everything soldered, installed driver for Pro Micro.
Now what? :/

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 17:26:43 »
I followed this guide:
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/how-to-use-a-pro-micro-as-a-cheap-controller-converter-like-soarer-s-t8448.html

Once you have the driver, you need to get the pro micro into bootloader mode. Open a command prompt and the device manager for windows. Bridge the boot pin to the USB case twice and then wait. It should change devices to a new USB serial port and then change back a few seconds later. Remember what one it was.

Then download the flashing program and then on the command line type out the command to flash it. I renamed my HEX file to "SW130.hex" be easier to type

I put the firmware in c:\kb\soarer. In my case the command looked like this:
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avrdude -p atmega32u4 -P COM4  -c avr109  -U flash:w:SW130.hex
Don't press enter yet. Instead put the pro micro in USB boot mode again by bridging the boot pin to the USB port twice with a wire (paperclip works). click on the CMD window and press enter. It should work.

Once the FW is on there you can use soarer's tools SCAS and SCWR (and SCASWR in windows) to write the new layout to the KB.

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I'll go through this after dinner and edit it to be more of a guide.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 22 August 2014, 12:31:20 »
...to write the new layout to the KB.



I'm on that step, don't know what to do next.

I do not know anything about it.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 22 August 2014, 17:05:18 »
So you have to make a layout file if you want to change the layout from default. Save it as anything (I called mine wy30.sc) and put it in the same folder as scas (not necessary, but makes it easier), the "tools" folder.

So I have the file wy30.sc in the folder c:\kb\soarer_wyse\tools\wy30.sc

Then I navigate to the tools folder and run the following:
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scas wy30.sc wy30.scbNow there is wy30.scb in the folder as well.
Then I run scwr to write it to the KB firmware
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scwr wy30.scbSince you are in windows, you can combine the two steps with scaswr. This saves a lot of time if you have no errors in your layout file.
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scaswr wy30.scb
If you are having trouble building a layout file from nothing, you can always pull the default file from the KB and use that.

Use scrd to read the current config and write it to a file on your computer
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scrd wy30.scb
use scdis to disassemble the binary config file into a text file you can read and edit

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scdis wy30.scb wy30.sc
open the file in notepad and take a look. This is actually really helpful for me 'cause I lost the original file I used, and so now I don't know what the layout is. looks like I have it set up for either qwerty or dvorak. This is the disassembled file I got back.
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# block length: 3
ifset any
ifkeyboard any
ifselect any
# configblock
# config count: 0
# end

# block length: 5
ifset any
ifkeyboard any
ifselect any
layerblock
# count: 1
fn1 1
end

# block length: 28
ifset any
ifkeyboard any
ifselect any
remapblock
layer 1
# count: 12
1 F1
2 F2
3 F3
4 F4
5 F5
6 F6
7 F7
8 F8
9 F9
0 F10
MINUS F11
EQUAL F12
end

# block length: 70
ifset any
ifkeyboard any
ifselect 1
remapblock
layer 0
# count: 33
MINUS LEFT_BRACE
EQUAL RIGHT_BRACE
Q COMMA
W PERIOD
E QUOTE
R P
T Y
Y F
U G
I C
O R
P L
LEFT_BRACE SLASH
RIGHT_BRACE EQUAL
S O
D E
F U
G I
H D
J H
K T
L N
SEMICOLON S
QUOTE MINUS
Z SEMICOLON
X Q
C J
V K
B X
N B
COMMA W
PERIOD V
SLASH Z
end

# block length: 18
ifset any
ifkeyboard any
ifselect any
remapblock
layer 0
# count: 7
SCROLL_LOCK SELECT_1
CAPS_LOCK LALT
LALT FN1
HOME PAGE_DOWN
PAGE_DOWN PAGE_UP
PRINTSCREEN DELETE
PAD_COMMA LGUI
end

You can use that to remap your KB, but it should work with a default layout as-is.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #79 on: Sun, 24 August 2014, 04:53:45 »
I've been away from the site for a while so I didn't see this until last week.  I've had a WYSE terminal keyboard and a Teensy 2.0 sitting around for a couple of years and I had been thinking I would have to replace the onboard controller to get the keyboard working with a PC, but thanks to this firmware it works perfectly with the teensy as an adapter.  I'll have to stop being lazy and finish the retrobrite job I started on the case.  It's from the 80s so it needs a lot of work reduce the yellow and get it back towards the original grey.

Thanks a ton, Soarer!

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #80 on: Sun, 24 August 2014, 11:33:28 »
I've been away from the site for a while so I didn't see this until last week.  I've had a WYSE terminal keyboard and a Teensy 2.0 sitting around for a couple of years and I had been thinking I would have to replace the onboard controller to get the keyboard working with a PC, but thanks to this firmware it works perfectly with the teensy as an adapter.  I'll have to stop being lazy and finish the retrobrite job I started on the case.  It's from the 80s so it needs a lot of work reduce the yellow and get it back towards the original grey.

Thanks a ton, Soarer!

Glad you got it working!

Me, I'm too lazy to clean it. Mine's not even yellowed, it's just got dirt on it. I've been too busy using it

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 29 August 2014, 10:33:01 »
PCB inscription:
"WYSE TECHNOLOGY 1986"
990137- 01
REV A1
CPC-49



still not working, dont know what to do next ;/
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #82 on: Fri, 29 August 2014, 10:33:57 »
dbl post

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #83 on: Fri, 29 August 2014, 17:27:07 »
I will have to check to be sure but it looks like you are using soarer's converter firmware for IBM terminal and PS/2 instead of soarer's wyse converter firmware.

You can check by running the "scinfo" command.

You need the firmware from the post in this thread and the "tools" from the firmware in the other thread.

reflash the teensy with the .HEX file in this thread, then test it again and if it works (with the default layout), then remap it with a new layout using scaswr.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 30 August 2014, 06:48:43 »
Keyboard is working :D

Thanks for everything!
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #85 on: Tue, 09 September 2014, 13:48:53 »
I have issue with this converter, or with my keyboard. I can't press 4 buttons at once. In gaming it matters in typing not really :P.

Is there any way to solve this?

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #86 on: Tue, 09 September 2014, 16:29:44 »
I have issue with this converter, or with my keyboard. I can't press 4 buttons at once. In gaming it matters in typing not really :P.

Is there any way to solve this?

I believe those old WYSE terminal keyboards only support 2KRO, like the Model M.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #87 on: Fri, 05 December 2014, 11:23:59 »
I have an old Televideo keyboard with a 4P4C connector that I would love to get running again.

The Teensy is flashed and I think that I have gotten the wires right.

hid_listen returns WY50 as the device but that may just be the default for the firmware. Pressing keys does not get any response.

Any suggestions for what to try next?

Thanks!

PS - I see that Soarer has connections for the LEDs on the Teensy, but I can't see anywhere to bring them off the keyboard.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #88 on: Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:29:24 »
PS - I see that Soarer has connections for the LEDs on the Teensy, but I can't see anywhere to bring them off the keyboard.

I believe you enable the LEDs in the firmware config file and list what pin they're connected to and what LED they're supposed to act as. Once that's done, wire up a resistor and a lead to the LED or two leads and use the resistor on the PCB.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 21 December 2014, 23:52:53 »
Awesome converter Soarer. Got my WYSE ASCII cleaned up and ready to go, tested the leads and keys were being registered, but unfortunately the 4P4C connector had cloth insulators which made it impossible to solder on like I was planning. Now I'm going to have to hardwire the Teensy to the board.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 24 December 2014, 00:53:06 »
Awesome converter Soarer. Got my WYSE ASCII cleaned up and ready to go, tested the leads and keys were being registered, but unfortunately the 4P4C connector had cloth insulators which made it impossible to solder on like I was planning. Now I'm going to have to hardwire the Teensy to the board.

I had the same trouble with almost all 4p4c modular connector cables

I eventually gave up and put the controller and USB cable inside.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 09 February 2015, 18:28:33 »


I'm not at all knowledgeable about the Teensy. I have dumb question.

I'm trying to figure out what to solder where. It's obvious where the 5V and the ground goes but I can't figure out where the wires for Clock and Data on the 4P4C should be soldered. Any help would be fantastic! Thanks. 

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #92 on: Mon, 09 February 2015, 19:12:13 »
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I'm not at all knowledgeable about the Teensy. I have dumb question.

I'm trying to figure out what to solder where. It's obvious where the 5V and the ground goes but I can't figure out where the wires for Clock and Data on the 4P4C should be soldered. Any help would be fantastic! Thanks.

It is listed in the Original Post.  PD0 and PD1.  They are labeled on the Teensy as "D0" and "D1".  A little hard to read in the pic but that looks like pins 5 and 6.

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 09 February 2015, 19:14:30 »
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I'm not at all knowledgeable about the Teensy. I have dumb question.

I'm trying to figure out what to solder where. It's obvious where the 5V and the ground goes but I can't figure out where the wires for Clock and Data on the 4P4C should be soldered. Any help would be fantastic! Thanks.

It is listed in the Original Post.  PD0 and PD1.  They are labeled on the Teensy as "D0" and "D1".  A little hard to read in the pic but that looks like pins 5 and 6.

My mistake, I must have missed it. Thank you!

This image is much more clear:
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #94 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 12:49:26 »
So I have flashed the firmware and soldered a 4P4C connector terminator to my pro micro but I'm only getting solid LED's and no key output.  Any help?
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #95 on: Sat, 14 March 2015, 13:05:44 »
Here are some pictures of my board and my connector soldered to the pro micro.

94096-0
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 05 April 2015, 10:01:51 »
Hi all!

I have what I believe to be a 990112-12 wyse keyboard and would like to build this converter. This model number isn't mentioned in the "model's supported" list, but does anyone know if it will work anyway?

Thanks for the help!

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #97 on: Sun, 31 May 2015, 16:01:27 »
Will this converter work for the 900023-01? A standard telephone cable does not fit the socket.
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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 08:22:48 »
Hey, I don't know if I should start a new thread or just bump this one.

I got my WYSE #840362-01 working with a generic, blue Pro Micro, everything works fine besides:
-Iffy key rollover, I only noticed this because of that old "hold down both shift keys and type out TQBF" exercise, the spacebar doesn't work when holding down both shift keys among other weird combos.
-The numpad doesn't output numbers or symbols besides slashes and plus/minus, plus doing the arrowkey and home/pgup/etc options. I CAN see the keypresses in hid_listen under windows, though, this is a sequence from 0-9 then the other keys:

What am I missing here?

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Re: Soarer's WYSE Converter firmware
« Reply #99 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 09:00:01 »
Hey, I don't know if I should start a new thread or just bump this one.

I got my WYSE #840362-01 working with a generic, blue Pro Micro, everything works fine besides:
-Iffy key rollover, I only noticed this because of that old "hold down both shift keys and type out TQBF" exercise, the spacebar doesn't work when holding down both shift keys among other weird combos.
-The numpad doesn't output numbers or symbols besides slashes and plus/minus, plus doing the arrowkey and home/pgup/etc options. I CAN see the keypresses in hid_listen under windows, though, this is a sequence from 0-9 then the other keys:
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What am I missing here?
I don't know about the numpad thing, but the rollover on wyse keyboards is pretty bad. Your experience is normal I would say. I typed on a wyse pce using this converter for a while, and I could not get used to it. Space bar often would not register because of the limitations of the way the board is wired when pressing other commonly used keys like shift. Which is why I plan to hand wire one instead. (Of course pile that on top of all my other keyboard projects that'll never get done)

Not sure about the numpad thing though. No help there, sorry
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