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Offline hotswank

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« on: Sat, 28 February 2009, 15:03:00 »
I really hate linear for typing on my SteelSeries 7G, but that's merely because of the huge key travel, so I figured out a way to decrease the travel and dampen the bottoming-out sound at the same time and I can't stress enough how much different (useable) the 7G now feels, very solid and 'industrial' if you like.

I also did this with my Compaq 11800 (thanks webwit!) and it feels soooo much less plastic now, I wonder why nobody here thought of doing this before (I'm aware of). I bought a couple of hundred nbr70 rubber o-rings size 5 x 2 mm. Perhaps 5 x 1,5 mm would have been better but that's just a matter of taste.

Both keyboards now feel like those laptop keyboards, but with mechanical switches  :cool:

Offline ozar

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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 28 February 2009, 15:13:52 »
That's a pretty nifty looking modification, especially if it results in the desired behavior!  :cool:

Thanks for sharing.

Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 28 February 2009, 17:19:07 »
I've done this with my buckling springs. A rubber washer around the bottom shaft that houses the spring. Has the same effect, and quite nice.

where did you buy your o-rings? (ie, do you have a link?)

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Offline hotswank

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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 28 February 2009, 18:42:27 »
Quote from: wellington1869;23123
I've done this with my buckling springs. A rubber washer around the bottom shaft that houses the spring. Has the same effect, and quite nice.

where did you buy your o-rings? (ie, do you have a link?)

http://www.technirub.nl/internet/catalog/searchCatalog.asp

> check "Groep" "o-ringen nbr 70" > Maat > "5" mm > "1 mm marge" > Zoek

Minimum order is 10 Euro = 200 o-rings. Dunno if they ship internationally...

Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 28 February 2009, 18:48:23 »
Quote from: hotswank;23137
http://www.technirub.nl/internet/catalog/searchCatalog.asp

> check "Groep" "o-ringen nbr 70" > Maat > "5" mm > "1 mm marge" > Zoek

Minimum order is 10 Euro = 200 o-rings. Dunno if they ship internationally...



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Offline Zalusithix

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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 01 March 2009, 01:56:02 »
Hmm, I just emulated this by cutting a similar o-gasket* in half. It certainly did deaden the sound of the bottoming out, but I was not thrilled with the reduction in key travel. If anything it caused me to bottom out more often and thus make even more noise lol. Still, the concept has merit, so it's just a matter of finding something thin enough... or alternatively modifying the keys so that the cross support leading to the mounting tube is notched out allowing the ring to dampen the bottoming out, but at the same time not cut down on key travel.


*(I just made that name up... I have no clue what it's really called, or even when/where they came from, but they're similar to two o-rings stacked on top of each other with a thin riser tube between them.)

Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 01 March 2009, 02:52:12 »
Quote from: Zalusithix;23168
Hmm, I just emulated this by cutting a similar o-gasket* in half. It certainly did deaden the sound of the bottoming out, but I was not thrilled with the reduction in key travel. If anything it caused me to bottom out more often and thus make even more noise lol. Still, the concept has merit, so it's just a matter of finding something thin enough... or alternatively modifying the keys so that the cross support leading to the mounting tube is notched out allowing the ring to dampen the bottoming out, but at the same time not cut down on key travel.


*(I just made that name up... I have no clue what it's really called, or even when/where they came from, but they're similar to two o-rings stacked on top of each other with a thin riser tube between them.)


what kind of board do you have? On my endurapro (bs switches) i bought very thin  and tiny washers from my local hardware store. The key travel was impacted only minimally (I basically didnt notice it; i bottom out anyway when i type no matter what i use). But side by side with an unmodded key, the key travel difference was like less than a millimeter.

The o-rings are prolly thicker than what I used tho.

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Offline hotswank

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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 01 March 2009, 10:25:19 »
After some 'realworld' tests on the Compaq 11800, I'm convinced 2 mm is too thick, o-rings should have been 1,5 mm or even 1,25... Bottoming out still sounds plastic, just better plastic. lol

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After some time and getting used to it, I really, realy like this 'new' short travel (Compaq 11800); I'm by no means a touch typist and bottom out all the time (sorry). Can't wait to try this mod on the Filco FKBN104M/EB. I might order the 5x1.5 mm o-rings later, just for the fun of it.

Offline Zalusithix

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 01 March 2009, 13:42:46 »
Quote from: wellington1869;23169
what kind of board do you have? On my endurapro (bs switches) i bought very thin  and tiny washers from my local hardware store. The key travel was impacted only minimally (I basically didnt notice it; i bottom out anyway when i type no matter what i use). But side by side with an unmodded key, the key travel difference was like less than a millimeter.

The o-rings are prolly thicker than what I used tho.


I have the Kinesis Advantage, so I'm using the same MX type switches that hotswank is (albeit brown and not black). A washer type affixed in some manner might do the trick. I'm not sure how much dampening a super thin piece of rubber can offer though. Theoretically the softer the landing, the more dampened the sound should be. It's worth a test though, and I'll be on the lookout the next time I'm at the hardware store.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 01 March 2009, 15:30:05 »
Quote from: Zalusithix;23168
*(I just made that name up... I have no clue what it's really called, or even when/where they came from, but they're similar to two o-rings stacked on top of each other with a thin riser tube between them.)


Lmao... blame this on it being 3AM while I was raiding the workshop. The term I was looking for was 'grommet'. I still don't remember what they were bought for, but whatever. :p

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 12 April 2009, 16:31:23 »
hmm very interesting little tweak here. I just applied this to my FKNB 87m/eb it has certainly help with the annoying noise but im not sure im liking the super short key travel.

Interestingly enough my typing speed has stayed exactly the same - 60wpm over a short 2 minute test.

Offline eugenius

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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 12 April 2009, 20:26:56 »
This kind of mod would make the topre a lot quieter ... and maybe in the process take away the feeling ...

I don't bottom out the cherry browns, I don't know how useful it would be, but interesting and easy. :)

And, to answer your question: yes, of course it has been done before. You didn't think you were one of the lucky few who had at least one  COMPLETELY original idea during their life, didn't you? That was the guy who put the ring around his _you_know_what_  ... :)
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Offline karlito

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 12 April 2009, 21:12:56 »
my final verdict:

cheap easy mod that i recommend anyone unhappy w/ a cherry keyboard try.

However, i just didnt like the key feel BUT i did leave the rings on every oversized/non letter key and it has definitely helped w/ the obnoxious noise this keyboard makes. Unfortunately it didnt remove the annoying rattle sound the space bar makes when it pops back up.

The most annoying keys for me were space, and backspace which are significantly quiter now so it's a nice improvement.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 21 April 2009, 05:15:07 »
On a variation of this idea, I've been thinking about strips of rubber mat between the key rows. That might be easier to apply. If I read the MX datasheet correctly, one would need a thickness of about 8.5 mm for an effect on the last 1.5 mm of travel.
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Offline Bollwerk

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 09:52:54 »
Hm. If you use the O-Rings and press the caps back on the switch.

What makes you sure, that the "+"-bracket is fully into the cap? Theoretically the Switch needs less pressure to move down than the cap to be pressed onto the bracket. So I assume, that if you press a key modified with a ring it is still nearly bottomed out as usual because the cap is not fully mounted.

Of course that applies only if the "+"-shaft is as long as the "+"-hole in the cap or at least as much longer as the ring is thick.
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Offline inornate

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 12:22:30 »
This trial has been done in Korean keyboard community, kbdmania and otd, which was proven easiest and effective mod for topre and cherry switch.

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/tipandtech/123658

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/files/attach/images/32780/052/608/topre-12.jpg

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/files/attach/images/32780/052/608/o-ring.jpg

For topre, most people likes it(dramatically reduces the noise) but in cherry case, someone may hate it because it changes the feeling too much.
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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 13:00:46 »
Quote from: ripster;107221

I'm gonna try with my poor broken up Boscom cutting out the portion of the keywell where the buckling spring hits.  


that will be interesting to see how it feels. basically the tactility should remain but the sound should vanish?

intriguing.

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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 13:54:56 »
Did putting the o-rings on the MX-11800 really kill the key travel?


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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 13:58:12 »
Quote from: inornate;107202
This trial has been done in Korean keyboard community, kbdmania and otd, which was proven easiest and effective mod for topre and cherry switch.

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/tipandtech/123658

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/files/attach/images/32780/052/608/topre-12.jpg

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/files/attach/images/32780/052/608/o-ring.jpg

For topre, most people likes it(dramatically reduces the noise) but in cherry case, someone may hate it because it changes the feeling too much.

Thanks allot for the links. If I'm following the thread of pictures correctly it looks like what is being done is more to dampen the noise when the key bounces back after a key press interesting.
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Offline Rajagra

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 16:33:52 »
I wonder if felt washers would make a good alternative. Should soften and quieten bottoming out without affecting travel so much.

May or may not last as long as rubber though.

Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 05 August 2009, 17:09:42 »
Quote from: ripster;107305
who needs the Topre any quieter.   Monks?


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Offline nocturn4l3030

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 03 February 2011, 21:13:15 »
so has anyone found any sort of o-ring that dampens the noise but also doesn't mess with the key travel too much?

i got the smallest o-rings from the local Home Depot and though i'm loving the sound of purely the cherry blues and not the bottoming out.. the slightly shortened key travel is just enough to bug me that i took it out

i'd really like to know if someone found some good ones!
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 28 March 2011, 18:49:52 »
I suggest you to use the silicone o-rings



They are very soft and stable over time.

And should be very easy to find in any mid sized hardware store.

Probably even better are the v-rings


due to their V shaped section are softer than o-rings if compressed axially, as in this case.

They are also available in a wide variety of elastomeric (rubber-like) materials so are well suited to some experiments and to fits different tactile tastes.
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Offline sordna

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 26 April 2011, 19:54:48 »
I can confirm silicone o-rings work great. I got some 40-durometer ones. See my post here: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:8857&viewfull=1&page=4&do=comments#post337573
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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 28 April 2011, 12:17:45 »
Here are fantastic and cheap 008 o-rings, at 50A durometer (softer, thus much better than the standard 70-90 durometer ones).
http://www.mcmaster.com/#as568a-o-rings
Drill down to AS568A size 008 round 50A durometer, they are $9.17 per 125 pack. McMaster-Carr part number is 2418T114.
Better deal than the 40A durometer ones I acquired earlier.
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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 26 May 2011, 12:57:19 »
Btw with metric parts (Europe, etc) I would recommend o-rings with 5mm inside diameter, 1.5mm thickness. You could try 1mm thickness but it might be too thin to have any effect. YMMV. There is variation from keycap to keycap sometimes, so it's good to have a few different sized o-rings or washers to handle those cases anyway.
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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 16 July 2011, 15:12:36 »
Quote from: sordna;351699
Btw with metric parts (Europe, etc) I would recommend o-rings with 5mm inside diameter, 1.5mm thickness. You could try 1mm thickness but it might be too thin to have any effect. YMMV. There is variation from keycap to keycap sometimes, so it's good to have a few different sized o-rings or washers to handle those cases anyway.


@ Sordna ... I'm still looking into O-Rings.  What are you using now?   What's your favourite?  (in metric)

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 16 July 2011, 16:06:24 »
The size I already provided is the one to get. The material doesn't matter. My favorite Shore A durometer is 40 to 50 (medium soft).
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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 21 July 2011, 22:18:00 »
Just did a partial O-ring mod on a Kinesis Contoured (it takes a while) and so far it's AWESOME!!! I am thrilled. I don't bottom out much, but when I do, is now quiet, soft, and it is far more pleasant. It also quiets the upstroke as well. It's what I've  always wanted, but didn't know it.

Fortunately I bought #250 O-rings so I can do more than just my daily driver :)

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 21 July 2011, 22:32:44 »
haha
It's an amazing difference between the 50A and 70A durometer o-rings. 50A is so much better.
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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 21 July 2011, 23:16:59 »
Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed the various durometers would make a key feel very different. I would have thought having any O-ring would be almost the entire effect.  This is definitely a Cherry MX switch keyboard UPGRADE. I got plenty of O-rings (#250), they're going on all the Kinesis mod boards I have. I suggest everyone try this, it's very dramatic, the quieter downstroke/upstroke, and soft landing. Takes away 'Pinnngg!!' and makes the feel more solid. Thanks for doing the R+D!
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The Kinesis Advantage O-rings with 2 types of keys, on left white doubleshots, on right black singleshots. Half the white and black keys with O-rings, half without so can compare all 4 different feels. Then switch all keys to the best feel.
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The key feel, best to worst on a Kinesis Contoured:
Doubleshot O-rings better than singleshot O-rings better than doubleshots better than singleshots. Doubleshot O-rings and singleshot O-rings are almost the same, the doubleshots are slightly quieter, smoother, cleaner looking due to no decals. No surprises here.

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Select AS568A size 008 round 50A durometer Soft Buna-N O-rings $9.17 per 125 pack. Or just enter part number #2418T114 in their search field.
Order page with noted areas:
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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 24 July 2011, 22:50:17 »
Whoo hoo just bought my O-rings through the same supplier as the Army... LOL.

Thanks for the part number, Sordna.

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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 22 August 2011, 00:33:47 »
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Whoo hoo just bought my O-rings through the same supplier as the Army... LOL.
Thanks for the part number, Sordna.

Did you get them yet? How do you like them?
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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 09:49:09 »
I'm transferring this post from a different thread since this wiki here should be the source for o-ring information:

Quote from: nikonf5;412945
I have yet to see whether the O-rings from sordna's mod feel any different as McMaster Carr wont ship to Canada and oringsusa costs too much to ship here even if I knew the part#.
sordna uses silicone duro 50 but WASD hasnt specified anything except industrial nitrile rubber and although the duro isnt mentioned, I can tell you from pinching them that they aint soft at all.

The wasdkeyboards o-rings are the same as the mcmaster ones (part number 2418T114) I was recommending. They are 50-durometer hardness.
They are considered soft actually, noticeably softer than the standard 70-90 durometer o-rings.

The red silicon ones that can be seen in some photos I posted came from oringsusa.com and are 40 durometer (slightly softer than the mcmaster/wasdkeyboards ones) but still firmer than the firm (gray) landing pads.

I've tried all of the following, here's how I rank them:

#1: 40-durometer red silicon o-rings, feel great and are easier to find when they fall on a black keyboard. They are the easiest to install too.
#2: 50-durometer black rubber o-rings from wasdkeyboards/mcMaster Carr: they feel almost the same as #1, but are a bit harder
#3: Firm (gray) landing pads (slightly mushy, I estimate their Shore A durometer as 30)
#4: Dental bands (feel ok but hard to find the right size, they are not very uniform, and don't last very long)
#5: 70-durometer black rubber o-rings (too hard for my taste, and the least sound-dampening)
#6: Black soft landing pads (too soft/mushy for my taste, I estimate their durometer as 20)

I usually recommend #2 because they are easier to order, and available in 2 different places. For #1 you have to call oringsusa.com to order over the phone (although they seem to have switched to an online ticketing system now), and order enough to cover the minimum order amount: 250 o-rings / $25 before shipping. Hmm, I should mention this to wasdkeyboards, they can get a good deal if they order a big quantity to resell.

Here is the source for #1, oringsusa.com part number: -008 S40

O-RINGS, INC.
3311 PEPPER AVENUE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90065
PHONE (323) 343-9500
FAX (323) 343-9505
sales@oringsUSA.com

Here's some photos I took of #1 in their package, along with other stuff:

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 10:49:38 »
Nice job!
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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 10:54:26 »
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I'd recommend a title change.

Maybe iMav can simply rename this wiki to: The o-ring dampening mod
I'll PM him and ask.

EDIT: This warning next to the title box in the wiki edit tab scares me:

Do not modify this value unless you know exactly what you are doing. Doing so can radically change the page's behavior.
« Last Edit: Fri, 09 September 2011, 10:56:41 by sordna »
Kinesis Contoured Advantage LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Contoured Model 110, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, KBC Poker (Cherry MX Red), IBM Space Saving keyboard (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 10:59:17 »
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You can change it yourself, it'll create a ghost wiki, then ask iMav to delete the old one.

There are a bunch of these Ghost Wikis littering the Wiki subforum too.

The new ghost wiki will have a different id, and old links to this wiki (after it's deleted) will break, no?
Kinesis Contoured Advantage LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Contoured Model 110, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, KBC Poker (Cherry MX Red), IBM Space Saving keyboard (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

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« Reply #37 on: Wed, 21 September 2011, 16:05:27 »
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Here is the source for #1, oringsusa.com part number: -008 S40

O-RINGS, INC.
3311 PEPPER AVENUE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90065
PHONE (323) 343-9500
FAX (323) 343-9505
sales@oringsUSA.com

They just quoted me 500 pieces at $0.05 each in order to make their minimum order of $25 (and I pay shipping, of course).

I spoke to Mayra (pronounced "Myra").

They have them in stock. (At first she said it would be a couple weeks lead time, but then she noticed they're in stock.)

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« Reply #38 on: Wed, 21 September 2011, 18:12:52 »
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They just quoted me 500 pieces at $0.05 each in order to make their minimum order of $25 (and I pay shipping, of course).

I spoke to Mayra (pronounced "Myra").

They have them in stock. (At first she said it would be a couple weeks lead time, but then she noticed they're in stock.)

Nice, that's enough for several keyboards, or you can sell the extras here.
Kinesis Contoured Advantage LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Contoured Model 110, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, KBC Poker (Cherry MX Red), IBM Space Saving keyboard (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 22 September 2011, 01:51:48 »
I might be interested in a set for a Kinesis Contoured if they are floating around for sale.....
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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 27 September 2011, 00:36:46 »
I have a Leopold brown full-size.

If using the #1 or #2 o-ring choices above (roughly 4.47mm x 1.7mm, or 5mm x 1.5mm), should I place them also on the mounts going over stabilizers (spacebar, Shift, Enter...)?

Thanks.

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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 27 September 2011, 02:26:14 »
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I have a Leopold brown full-size.

If using the #1 or #2 o-ring choices above (roughly 4.47mm x 1.7mm, or 5mm x 1.5mm), should I place them also on the mounts going over stabilizers (spacebar, Shift, Enter...)?

Thanks.

You don't need to, but you can try and see. Actually, at least on my Poker which has similar stabilizers, the stabilized keys feel like they are already dampened, so I put o-rings on all of the Poker's keys except the stabilized keys, and it feels very nicely uniform this way!
Kinesis Contoured Advantage LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Contoured Model 110, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, KBC Poker (Cherry MX Red), IBM Space Saving keyboard (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 11 November 2011, 01:20:02 »
wasdkeyboards.com carries two kinds of o-rings now, black 50A and the new softer pink 40A durometer, which feel just like the rust-color silicon ones I posted about in the past. Here's a comparison photo:

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The pink o-rings are probably the best o-rings you can get, and with shipping less than $2.50 for international destinations, I think it solves the issue for the European folks who couldn't find soft o-rings in Europe.
Kinesis Contoured Advantage LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Contoured Model 110, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, KBC Poker (Cherry MX Red), IBM Space Saving keyboard (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard