[IC] full PBT (spacebar included), gray or beige set

[justnits]

SP raised some concerns about copyrighted material in the nerdom kit. I'll probably have to replace some keys.

Make sure they know, that was not a batman logo, it was the logo we use to summon mkawa when we need to bog the enemy down in details

Marvel wil not believe you though  )

hmm...i think marvel wouldn't mind or care if matt use batman logo  )

[ideus]

An small addition is that the mono legend set may have a backslash "\" in dark gray to go with the all dark gray mods layout.

[Matt3o]

I got the quote, but I asked for few changes to reduce price.

The blue enter in the mod kits turned out to be too expensive and I prefer to remove it and place it in a kit of its own.

Zoidberg has to go, sorry. I'll replace it with something else. The latest version of the nerdom doesn't have batman/superman, so no problem there. Star wars seems not to be a problem but I guess Melissa is simply not a fan. I'll double check and eventually replace them with something else.

The full touch windowed key is available only with lens on top.

Apart from that everything looks very nice. All prices at 50 tier

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common txt mod icon mod numpad text pro Icon pro
$39.00 ???? ???? $27.00 $27.00 $27.00

RGB txt RGB icon RGB blank WASD intl 1 intl 2
$17.00 $17.00 $13.00 $9.00 $28.00 $29.00

ISO enter ISO blank Mono Mono intl homing Ergodox
$6.00 $2.00 $17.00 $13.00 $9.00 $27.00

Multimedia Nerdom Apple Full blank Num blank half-ergo
$7.00 $14.00 $16.00 $51.00 $10.00 $9.00

Add blanks Windowed 7u space 625 space Lost+found
$13.00 $12.00 $4.00 $4.00 $17.00

honestly... considering how little the ISO blank cost... I would go with that all the way down are remove the legended one.

[CommonCurt]

I got the quote, but I asked for few changes to reduce price.

The blue enter in the mod kits turned out to be too expensive and I prefer to remove it and place it in a kit of its own.

Zoidberg has to go, sorry. I'll replace it with something else. The latest version of the nerdom doesn't have batman/superman, so no problem there. Starwars seem not to be a problem but I guess Melissa is simply not a fan. I'll double check and eventually replace them with something else.

The full touch windowed key is available only with lens on top.

Apart from that everything looks very nice.

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common txt mod icon mod numpad text pro Icon pro
$39.00 ???? ???? $27.00 $27.00 $27.00

RGB txt RGB icon RGB blank WASD intl 1 intl 2
$17.00 $17.00 $13.00 $9.00 $28.00 $29.00

ISO enter ISO blank Mono Mono intl homing Ergodox
$6.00 $2.00 $17.00 $13.00 $9.00 $27.00

Multimedia Nerdom Apple Full blank Num blank half-ergo
$7.00 $14.00 $16.00 $51.00 $10.00 $9.00

Add blanks Windowed 7u space 625 space Lost+found
$13.00 $12.00 $4.00 $4.00 $17.00


What kind of set are you going to put the blue enter in? That is one key that I definitely would like to get.

[Matt3o]

kit of its own with 2 keys text/icon. It will go around $7-9 I guess.

[StylinGreymon]

So far I'm out 127 bucks, plus whatever icon mods end up costing.

[LechnerDE]

Prices looking really good!

Do you think this might be as succesful as DSA Retro? I think it's realistic that the base sets breaks 150 orders

[CommonCurt]

kit of its own with 2 keys text/icon. It will go around $7-9 I guess.

Very good 

[Matt3o]

Prices looking really good!

Do you think this might be as succesful as DSA Retro? I think it's realistic that the base sets breaks 150 orders

if we go with SP system I don't know. Skull Squadron reached 80, so yes, I don't think this would have any problem going at 150. If I had to handle this myself it would probably reach DSA Retro success (if not more)

[justnits]

is there any rough estimation how much the text mod and icon mod kit will be without the blue enter?

[Matt3o]

is there any rough estimation how much the text mod and icon mod kit will be without the blue enter?

My guess is $25.

The numpad is also expensive, let me know if I can remove some keys... but I don't think.

[Matt3o]

Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!

[StylinGreymon]

 Text Num Lock, I'd say.

[justnits]

hmm...
=

oh wait.
some ppl might need it for 1u Enter.
argh! this is a tough choice you are asking matt.
it looks complete as it is now, removing one key will make it seems incomplete...

StylinGreymon made a good call...seeing all the other grey key in numpad are non-text, odd ones out is text numlock.

btw matt, wat's with the Copy Paste Undo Redo keys in Lost+Found?

[CommonCurt]

Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!

Matt have you decided that you are not going to add a text Enter on the Numpad?

[Matt3o]

Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!

Matt have you decided that you are not going to add a text Enter on the Numpad?

text OR icon. not both. sorry. and we have to remove 1u dark gray

[rowdy]

Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!

Num lock with icon.

It is the only key that is duplicated.  Plus the base set has words, not icons, so it would upset fewer people to remove it.

[StylinGreymon]

What set is the other icon num lock in?
Am I just blind?

[CommonCurt]

Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!

Num lock with icon.

It is the only key that is duplicated.  Plus the base set has words, not icons, so it would upset fewer people to remove it.

I agree.

[Matt3o]

there's no "default" style. we split alpha from mods.

[justnits]

text numlock or icon numlock, i'm fine with either.

btw matt, wat's with the Copy Paste Undo Redo keys in Lost+Found?

[Matt3o]

btw matt, wat's with the Copy Paste Undo Redo keys in Lost+Found?

no idea... they asked for them, since the kit ended up pretty inexpensive I'm keen on keeping it

[CommonCurt]

there's no "default" style. we split alpha from mods.

Sorry, I meant I agree that the Numlock icon can go.

[StylinGreymon]

Okay, I keep pouring over the sets, and I can't find that duplicate num lock icon.
I reeeeally don't wanna see that go, if I can't get another one.

[Matt3o]

or we go full TEXT on the numpad or I remove the =

[StylinGreymon]

I just realized that I wouldn't be using the =, so I can't say I'd be suffering if we got rid of it.

[jacobolus]

What if you just add 'enter' and 'num lock' to the regular mods kits (icon & text), and take them out of the numpad kit? Or does that piss of people who *only* want the numpad caps?

[Matt3o]

What if you just add 'enter' and 'num lock' to the regular mods kits (icon & text), and take them out of the numpad kit? Or does that piss of people who *only* want the numpad caps?

no, I can't add them to the base mods because that would imply adding an additional setup cost to the kit.

[jacobolus]

no, I can't add them to the base mods because that would imply adding an additional setup cost to the kit.

I don’t follow. Adding 2 extra keys to the base mods, for keys which are likely to be useful for at least half of people (anyone whose keyboard has a numpad), doesn’t seem like a big deal. The price of the numpad kit will be correspondingly reduced.

[Matt3o]

Each kit has the following costs:
- setup
- plastic
- printing (sublimation)

the setup is the most expensive (human labor time). Adding those 2 keys to the mods means adding a x2 setup cost.

Sometimes even just 1u triggers the additional setup cost (that's why I need to remove 1u from the numpad and I removed the blue enter from the mods)

[jacobolus]

I still don’t understand. Adding 1 extra key doubles the setup cost for the kit?

[Matt3o]

I still don’t understand. Adding 1 extra key doubles the setup cost for the kit?

YES!

sorry, it must be my very bad English...

[Matt3o]

let's be more specific.

say that I want to do a numpad. say that the default config SP uses for the numpad has 20 keys. If we use exactly those 20 keys the setup cost is just one. If we use 21 keys we pay 1 setup for the default numpad + 1 setup for the additional key, even if that key is one 1u.

hope it is clear now.

[SpAmRaY]

Why not just remove the '5' that isn't scooped.

[Matt3o]

Why not just remove the '5' that isn't scooped.

it's not dark gray

[SpAmRaY]

Why not just remove the '5' that isn't scooped.

it's not dark gray

my reading comprehension sucks

[CommonCurt]

Matt,

has anyone objected to removing the = key?

[Matt3o]

Matt,

has anyone objected to removing the = key?

don't think so.

[CommonCurt]

Matt,

has anyone objected to removing the = key?

don't think so.

Well since some people don't want to get rid of the numlock icon. I vote to lose the = key.

[justnits]

hmm...
=

[ideus]

Prices are reasonable, and I really think the tiers may go beyond 50. Do you have a final mockup?

[Matt3o]

I have the specs for DSA, I will prepare the templates and start working on the final design during the GB.

I'll post final kits config as soon as SP confirms the modifications I asked.

[stoic-lemon]

let's be more specific.

say that I want to do a numpad. say that the default config SP uses for the numpad has 20 keys. If we use exactly those 20 keys the setup cost is just one. If we use 21 keys we pay 1 setup for the default numpad + 1 setup for the additional key, even if that key is one 1u.

hope it is clear now.

Interesting. There must be many things like this that noobs such as myself don't understand about what goes into making keys.

[avtar]

CMY +1

[Matt3o]

CMY +1

there's no M in PBT and besides... it's too late

[boost]

CMY +1

there's no M in PBT and besides... it's too late

GET GB STARTED!

[Matt3o]

The quote for the numpad was wrong. I can put the 1u back to the Numpad. Sorry about the mess.

Everything's ready. We can start the GB.

[ideus]

The quote for the numpad was wrong. I can put the 1u back to the Numpad. Sorry about the mess.

Everything's ready. We can start the GB.

Great, let see the link then. Are you going to use SP GB system?

[wuqe]

The quote for the numpad was wrong. I can put the 1u back to the Numpad. Sorry about the mess.

Everything's ready. We can start the GB.

Yay! :thumbs up:

[justnits]

dunno if i'm excited for this gb to start or excited to know how much i'm gonna spend on this