Filco numpad or Leopold Numpad?

[absfac]

Are you looking for a numpad because you want to pair it with a TKL board? Have you looked into the QuickFire TK? It's roughly the size of a TKL and has an integrated numpad. The layout's quirky and IMO the design's a bit loud with the stock caps but if you're hurting that badly for a numpad...

(Obviously this won't help if you prefer a 60% or exotic layout, or if you want your numpad on the left.)

WTF?

Not sure what's so confusing. I was suggesting replacing a TKL entirely with a TK, instead of trying to pair a TKL with a numpad, if that's what OP was trying to do. I assume OP wasn't just looking to plug a numpad into the computer by itself, or alongside a full-size keyboard.

I'm afraid I don't quite follow.
Re: Filco numpad or Leopold Numpad?
Clearly, the OP was asking us to describe the merits of ergodox.

I was reading the thread, not just the subject line. Bucake and some others in this thread want a numpad that generates the proper scancodes. Neither the Leopold nor Filco numpads that are available for purchase generate proper scancodes, or at least nobody is sure whether anyone has numpads in stock that do so. I was suggesting an alternative way to solve the problem they might have. I don't think anyone in this thread is confused but you.

[Dyslexic]

By replacing his high end tkl or 60% with a cheap CM product so that he can have numpad functionality? Like...the mind boggles at this recommendation.

[vivalarevolución]

Are you looking for a numpad because you want to pair it with a TKL board? Have you looked into the QuickFire TK? It's roughly the size of a TKL and has an integrated numpad. The layout's quirky and IMO the design's a bit loud with the stock caps but if you're hurting that badly for a numpad...

(Obviously this won't help if you prefer a 60% or exotic layout, or if you want your numpad on the left.)

Thanks, I realize that you are trying to help, but I plan to use this numpad with my ergonomic boards or compact boards when I need it for number heavy applications or heavy navigation.  And I have no desire to own a full-size Cherry board.

 I did end up buying the Leopold numpad from Qtan for layout and color scheme.  I was pleasantly surprised that the navigation functions worked on Mac OS.  I have not tested it to see if it sends to the correct keycodes, but I should get to that soon.

[QuadGMoto]

I was pleasantly surprised that the navigation functions worked on Mac OS.  I have not tested it to see if it sends to the correct keycodes, but I should get to that soon.

The version you got may actually send the correct codes. If not, it's a good thing you're on the Mac, because there is a solution. See here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.msg1241098#msg1241098

[vivalarevolución]

I was pleasantly surprised that the navigation functions worked on Mac OS.  I have not tested it to see if it sends to the correct keycodes, but I should get to that soon.

The version you got may actually send the correct codes. If not, it's a good thing you're on the Mac, because there is a solution. See here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.msg1241098#msg1241098

Thanks, I am familiar with that thread.  Since Mac keyboards typically do not have navigation keys on the numpad, I was worried that I could not use KeyRemap4Macbook for using the numpad for navigation.  But that does not seem to be a problem if the numpad has navigation capabilities without resorting to KeyRemap4Macbook.

[QuadGMoto]

Thanks, I am familiar with that thread.  Since Mac keyboards typically do not have navigation keys on the numpad, I was worried that I could not use KeyRemap4Macbook for using the numpad for navigation.  But that does not seem to be a problem if the numpad has navigation capabilities without resorting to KeyRemap4Macbook.

The codes send when the number lock is off are exactly the same codes as hitting dedicated navigation keys. That makes it easy. 

[vivalarevolución]

Thanks, I am familiar with that thread.  Since Mac keyboards typically do not have navigation keys on the numpad, I was worried that I could not use KeyRemap4Macbook for using the numpad for navigation.  But that does not seem to be a problem if the numpad has navigation capabilities without resorting to KeyRemap4Macbook.

The codes send when the number lock is off are exactly the same codes as hitting dedicated navigation keys. That makes it easy. 

Nice.  I did not know that.

[Bucake]

thanks for the input absfac. unfortunately i'm looking for a standalone numpad (which sends the proper codes) to use with my 60% :x

[Tiramisuu]

Just an update in case anyone ever reads this thread.

Do not buy the Filco if you hope to run under Mac or Linux.    It doesn't work and the company doesn't appear to provide firmware updates.

[Macsmasher]

I have the Realforce 23U and just tested it with EK's Switch Hitter and it sends the correct codes. They are as follows:

Keys 0 - 9...

14:41.0138 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:41.0138 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:41.0138 0 (0x60, BIOS 0x52) DOWN
14:41.0241 0 (0x60, BIOS 0x52) UP -> 95ms
14:41.0241 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:41.0257 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:41.0602 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:41.0618 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 16ms
14:41.0618 1 (0x61, BIOS 0x4F) DOWN
14:41.0722 1 (0x61, BIOS 0x4F) UP -> 103ms
14:41.0722 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:41.0738 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:41.0847 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:41.0863 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 16ms
14:41.0863 2 (0x62, BIOS 0x50) DOWN
14:41.0957 2 (0x62, BIOS 0x50) UP -> 103ms
14:41.0978 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:41.0978 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:42.0090 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:42.0102 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 16ms
14:42.0102 3 (0x63, BIOS 0x51) DOWN
14:42.0149 3 (0x63, BIOS 0x51) UP -> 47ms
14:42.0149 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:42.0165 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:42.0322 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:42.0322 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:42.0322 Num 4 (0x64, BIOS 0x4B) DOWN
14:42.0398 Num 4 (0x64, BIOS 0x4B) UP -> 79ms
14:42.0418 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:42.0418 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:42.0574 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:42.0574 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:42.0574 Num 5 (0x65, BIOS 0x4C) DOWN
14:42.0652 Num 5 (0x65, BIOS 0x4C) UP -> 71ms
14:42.0652 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:42.0668 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:42.0792 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:42.0807 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 16ms
14:42.0807 Num 6 (0x66, BIOS 0x4D) DOWN
14:42.0854 Num 6 (0x66, BIOS 0x4D) UP -> 55ms
14:42.0870 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:42.0870 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:43.0072 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:43.0072 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:43.0072 Num 7 (0x67, BIOS 0x47) DOWN
14:43.0170 Num 7 (0x67, BIOS 0x47) UP -> 87ms
14:43.0178 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:43.0186 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:43.0320 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:43.0320 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:43.0320 Num 8 (0x68, BIOS 0x48) DOWN
14:43.0398 Num 8 (0x68, BIOS 0x48) UP -> 71ms
14:43.0398 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:43.0418 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
14:43.0543 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
14:43.0559 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 16ms
14:43.0559 Num 9 (0x69, BIOS 0x49) DOWN
14:43.0606 Num 9 (0x69, BIOS 0x49) UP -> 47ms


Non-number keys in this order:    .  Enter  +  -  *  \

• 14:43.0621 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
  14:43.0621 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
  15:11.0831 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 34238ms
  15:11.0831 LShift (0x10, BIOS 0x2A) UP -> 34249ms
  15:11.0831 RShift (0x10, BIOS 0x36) UP -> 34250ms
  15:11.0831 LCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0x1D) UP -> 34251ms
  15:11.0831 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 34251ms
  15:11.0831 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 9ms
  15:11.0831 LAlt (0x12, BIOS 0x38) UP -> 34253ms
  15:11.0831 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 4ms
  15:11.0831 RAlt (0x12, BIOS 0xE038) UP -> 34253ms
  15:11.0847 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 3ms
  15:11.0847 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 2ms
  15:11.0847 LShift (0x10, BIOS 0x2A) UP -> 17ms
  15:11.0847 RShift (0x10, BIOS 0x36) UP -> 18ms
  15:11.0847 LCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0x1D) UP -> 20ms
  15:11.0865 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 29ms
  15:11.0871 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 23ms
  15:11.0871 LAlt (0x12, BIOS 0x38) UP -> 31ms
  15:11.0871 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 13ms
  15:11.0887 RAlt (0x12, BIOS 0xE038) UP -> 42ms
  15:11.0887 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 3ms
  15:11.0995 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 122ms
  15:12.0011 LShift (0x10, BIOS 0x2A) UP -> 161ms
  15:12.0011 RShift (0x10, BIOS 0x36) UP -> 159ms
  15:12.0011 LCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0x1D) UP -> 156ms
  15:12.0011 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 147ms
  15:12.0011 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 5ms
  15:12.0011 LAlt (0x12, BIOS 0x38) UP -> 143ms
  15:12.0011 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 2ms
  15:12.0011 RAlt (0x12, BIOS 0xE038) UP -> 131ms
  15:12.0011 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 2ms
  20:14.0627 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 302613ms
  20:14.0627 LShift (0x10, BIOS 0x2A) UP -> 302622ms
  20:14.0627 RShift (0x10, BIOS 0x36) UP -> 302622ms
  20:14.0627 LCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0x1D) UP -> 302622ms
  20:14.0627 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 302622ms
  20:14.0627 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 5ms
  20:14.0627 LAlt (0x12, BIOS 0x38) UP -> 302622ms
  20:14.0627 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 2ms
  20:14.0642 RAlt (0x12, BIOS 0xE038) UP -> 302624ms
  20:14.0642 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 7ms
  20:14.0642 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 3ms
  20:14.0642 LShift (0x10, BIOS 0x2A) UP -> 18ms
  20:14.0642 RShift (0x10, BIOS 0x36) UP -> 18ms
  20:14.0642 LCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0x1D) UP -> 18ms
  20:14.0642 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 18ms
  20:14.0658 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 9ms
  20:14.0658 LAlt (0x12, BIOS 0x38) UP -> 21ms
  20:14.0658 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 2ms
  20:14.0658 RAlt (0x12, BIOS 0xE038) UP -> 19ms
  20:14.0658 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 2ms
  20:14.0767 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 118ms
  20:14.0767 LShift (0x10, BIOS 0x2A) UP -> 130ms
  20:14.0767 RShift (0x10, BIOS 0x36) UP -> 130ms
  20:14.0783 LCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0x1D) UP -> 130ms
  20:14.0783 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 130ms
  20:14.0783 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 5ms
  20:14.0783 LAlt (0x12, BIOS 0x38) UP -> 127ms
  20:14.0783 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 2ms
  20:14.0783 RAlt (0x12, BIOS 0xE038) UP -> 127ms
  20:14.0783 Tab (0x09, BIOS 0x0F) UP -> 2ms
  20:20.0818 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
  20:20.0818 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
  20:20.0818 . (0x6E, BIOS 0x53) DOWN
  20:20.0911 . (0x6E, BIOS 0x53) UP -> 95ms
  20:20.0927 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) DOWN
  20:20.0927 Num Lock (0x90, BIOS 0x45) UP -> 8ms
  20:22.0210 Enter (0x0D, BIOS 0xE01C) DOWN
  20:22.0299 Enter (0x0D, BIOS 0xE01C) UP -> 104ms
  20:22.0858 Num + (0x6B, BIOS 0x4E) DOWN
  20:22.0921 Num + (0x6B, BIOS 0x4E) UP -> 72ms
  20:25.0850 Num - (0x6D, BIOS 0x4A) DOWN
  20:25.0927 Num - (0x6D, BIOS 0x4A) UP -> 80ms
  20:26.0306 Num * (0x6A, BIOS 0x37) DOWN
  20:26.0384 Num * (0x6A, BIOS 0x37) UP -> 88ms
  20:26.0706 Num / (0x6F, BIOS 0xE035) DOWN
  20:26.0782 Num / (0x6F, BIOS 0xE035) UP -> 80ms
  
  
  And this is how the UI displays the keystrokes from the 23U...