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Offline CK Briefs

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #550 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 22:15:46 »
So are the conciliatory side windows that came with the grey colour orders of the Orion variety?

Yes they fit the Orion, obviously.

Lol iunno, for some reason I thought they were leftovers from lightsaver/butterfly
Anyway, is double-sided tape seriously the only described method of attaching these things lol? Should I be the guinea pig and super glue them on? :S
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #551 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 22:20:31 »
Somewhere I saw a post from Duck where he taped them.  I really think that's the way to go.

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #552 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 22:34:52 »
Apologies for the mess, couldn't resist posting after getting it done!  GON's 62g stickered+lubed blues and DSA Dolch. This is my first DSA set, still growing on me, I think.

What's with the flashing ESC led, btw?

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #553 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 22:35:54 »
What's with the flashing ESC led, btw?

Yeah 0 idea about that too.
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #554 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 22:51:22 »
Apologies for the mess, couldn't resist posting after getting it done!  GON's 62g stickered+lubed blues and DSA Dolch. This is my first DSA set, still growing on me, I think.

What's with the flashing ESC led, btw?

What do you need so many displays for?
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #555 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 23:02:03 »
Apologies for the mess, couldn't resist posting after getting it done!  GON's 62g stickered+lubed blues and DSA Dolch. This is my first DSA set, still growing on me, I think.

What's with the flashing ESC led, btw?

What do you need so many displays for?

For programming, really helpful to have the full portrait screens. Although nothing helps as much as a mech keyboard :)

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #556 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 23:28:01 »
Apologies for the mess, couldn't resist posting after getting it done!  GON's 62g stickered+lubed blues and DSA Dolch. This is my first DSA set, still growing on me, I think.

What's with the flashing ESC led, btw?

Maybe you needa exit the keymapping/lighting mode thing in order for the esc to properly function :P

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #557 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 23:56:25 »
I have mine all put together and it's freaking awesome... pictures to come: warning, the initial keyset is a little take on quas wex exort for you DotA folks =) although I am trying to locate a Dolch or other thick keycap set. To the classifieds I go!

I think I'm going to upload a new key map but the LED brightness has not been working for me.... maybe it will be fine with a new keymap.

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #558 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 02:24:26 »
I have mine all put together and it's freaking awesome... pictures to come: warning, the initial keyset is a little take on quas wex exort for you DotA folks =) although I am trying to locate a Dolch or other thick keycap set. To the classifieds I go!

I think I'm going to upload a new key map but the LED brightness has not been working for me.... maybe it will be fine with a new keymap.

That sounds sick!
You have a custom keymap to add on, or do you mean your own configuration? Sounds promising either way :P
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Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #559 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 09:27:39 »
What's with the flashing ESC led, btw?

Yeah 0 idea about that too.

The ESC key blinks a certain number of times every two seconds. The number of blinks corresponds to the layer you are in. E.g., three blinks = you're in layer 3. If you enter control mode you can turn this feature ("layer status") to blink only when you change layers.

I plan on putting together a little brain dump of everything I've learned getting this thing up and running as I want it, probably in the DIY section tonight.

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #560 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 09:48:56 »
You can see the lightsaver thread for some of that information, including a flashing LED--locations are different for the Lightsaver, but the gist is the same:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53942.0
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #561 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 10:10:56 »

You can see the lightsaver thread for some of that information, including a flashing LED--locations are different for the Lightsaver, but the gist is the same:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53942.0

Nice! Lots of great info!

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #562 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 21:02:07 »
http://duck0113.tistory.com/94

here are the acrylic insert drawings for all related keyboards

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #563 on: Fri, 16 May 2014, 08:52:17 »
Yeah, in case anyone doesn't know, it goes behind the PCB and spreads out the back-facing LED light around as an edge glow.

The plate at MOQ 5 is $7.30, plus organizer ship, plus taxes/fees, plus shipping.
The inserts at MOQ 10 are $3.99 ($8 for a set of two) plus all shipping/fees.

rough estimate is 1 kit to be about $20 plus shipping to you.

Will the inserts fit the Lightsaver 1 or 2?

I see my question was answered above by Elton. Oh well, wishful thinking looses! :(
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #564 on: Fri, 16 May 2014, 09:23:59 »
Nice keyboard , enjoy it

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #565 on: Fri, 16 May 2014, 22:04:20 »
Any update on the acrylics IC? I definitely want that plate =)

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #566 on: Sat, 17 May 2014, 01:45:07 »
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkKZGmCj3KtadG91Ym96UkxWbVpFOHBPOE54RVozWUE&usp=sharing\\

Plenty of responses.  We can move forward, no doubt.  Only question is now that elton got us all the drawings, should it be expanded to include inserts for the other boards too?

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #567 on: Sat, 17 May 2014, 01:55:01 »
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkKZGmCj3KtadG91Ym96UkxWbVpFOHBPOE54RVozWUE&usp=sharing\\

Plenty of responses.  We can move forward, no doubt.  Only question is now that elton got us all the drawings, should it be expanded to include inserts for the other boards too?

I think the Viper will be very popular.
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #568 on: Wed, 28 May 2014, 21:00:16 »
So what's the word on the acrylic inserts?

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #569 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 00:20:23 »
this keyboard has killer LEDs. do all keyboards employ the same LED (for lack of a better word) technology? if so, why do these have the best looking LEDs i've come across.. good photographer? (i'm referring to the photos in OP's link)

hope you don't mind the offtopic question

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #570 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 00:28:47 »
this keyboard has killer LEDs. do all keyboards employ the same LED (for lack of a better word) technology? if so, why do these have the best looking LEDs i've come across.. good photographer? (i'm referring to the photos in OP's link)

hope you don't mind the offtopic question

It has side LEDs

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #571 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 01:04:36 »
i'm a bit lost - side LEDs are those under the keys and not literally on the sides of the case?

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #572 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 01:09:41 »
i'm a bit lost - side LEDs are those under the keys and not literally on the sides of the case?

They are attached to the pcb and stick out on the sides of the case. The keyboard in OP's picture also has an acrylic plate in the middle that spreads the light around the entire keyboard.

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #573 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 02:44:51 »
oh right, of course. i was referring to the pictures from the link the OP provided - here is one of them:



the intensity (for lack of better word) of the color and lighting is superior to most backlit keyboards i've seen, so i'm merely curious as to whether it uses a different type of LED/bulb or the same type but just with different colors. kinda like how monitors can employ IPS or TN panels. sorry for the confusion
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #574 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 02:47:20 »
oh right, of course. i was referring to the pictures from the link the OP provided - here is one of them:

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the intensity (for lack of better word) of the color and lighting is superior to most backlit keyboards i've seen, so i'm merely curious as to whether it uses a different type of LED/bulb or the same type but just with different colors. sorry for the confusion

Oh. I noticed that myself and I suppose he must be using some super bright LEDs or else just taking pictures in a way that accentuates the light.

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #575 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 03:49:04 »
thanks for the help. guess we won't find out unless someone in the know chimes in, but in the meantime i'll go back to admiring this magnificent board

speaking of which, do you know how often keyboard groupbuys reappear, if ever? first-time groupbuys for keyboards seem to be rare enough already, but i'll be majorly bummed if i have absolutely no shot of ever getting one of these

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #576 on: Fri, 30 May 2014, 02:01:27 »
thanks for the help. guess we won't find out unless someone in the know chimes in, but in the meantime i'll go back to admiring this magnificent board

speaking of which, do you know how often keyboard groupbuys reappear, if ever? first-time groupbuys for keyboards seem to be rare enough already, but i'll be majorly bummed if i have absolutely no shot of ever getting one of these

I'm sure elton, the groupbuy runner, can answer this question. There will probably be other boards in the future, even if this one doesn't reappear.

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #577 on: Fri, 30 May 2014, 15:46:13 »
thanks for the help. guess we won't find out unless someone in the know chimes in, but in the meantime i'll go back to admiring this magnificent board

speaking of which, do you know how often keyboard groupbuys reappear, if ever? first-time groupbuys for keyboards seem to be rare enough already, but i'll be majorly bummed if i have absolutely no shot of ever getting one of these

I'm sure elton, the groupbuy runner, can answer this question. There will probably be other boards in the future, even if this one doesn't reappear.

Yeah, watch out for TKL FMJ kit. That's what I look forward most this year.
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #578 on: Thu, 19 June 2014, 12:05:09 »
Did a GB for the plates and inserts ever took off?
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #579 on: Thu, 19 June 2014, 13:29:21 »
Did a GB for the plates and inserts ever took off?

nope

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« Reply #580 on: Thu, 19 June 2014, 17:08:36 »
That's a shame. Guess I will have to look at a local place for these.
Where was that post again that showed the sizes?
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #581 on: Thu, 19 June 2014, 17:33:37 »
That's a shame. Guess I will have to look at a local place for these.
Where was that post again that showed the sizes?

Yeah, still wondering what to do myself.

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #582 on: Sun, 29 June 2014, 16:00:19 »
Does anyone know how to use the darn keymapper on this thing?  Man that software isn't very intuitive and it's not in english!

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #583 on: Sun, 29 June 2014, 16:01:55 »

Does anyone know how to use the darn keymapper on this thing?  Man that software isn't very intuitive and it's not in english!

Ikr
I asked Elton a while ago, we still got nothing

I just wanna make my caps lock normal and have the esc stop blinking :P
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #584 on: Sun, 29 June 2014, 16:04:02 »
I have no idea how it works.  I'm definitely porting my firmware to it.  Screw this crap.  I don't even know how to get it into programming mode.

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #585 on: Sun, 29 June 2014, 17:18:31 »
Hm?  It's really not very difficult :(  See the summary in the OP here:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53942.0

Same deal as usual: create a hex file using the layout mapping software, hold the "flip" key as indicated and plug in the USB cable, run flip.
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #586 on: Sun, 29 June 2014, 17:51:34 »
What's the flip key on the Orion?

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #587 on: Sun, 29 June 2014, 17:53:48 »
What's the flip key on the Orion?

Backspace

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #588 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 07:25:10 »

Does anyone know how to use the darn keymapper on this thing?  Man that software isn't very intuitive and it's not in english!

Ikr
I asked Elton a while ago, we still got nothing

I just wanna make my caps lock normal and have the esc stop blinking :P

Wait did I not map it back to normal???....
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #589 on: Mon, 30 June 2014, 15:38:35 »


Does anyone know how to use the darn keymapper on this thing?  Man that software isn't very intuitive and it's not in english!

Ikr
I asked Elton a while ago, we still got nothing

I just wanna make my caps lock normal and have the esc stop blinking :P

Wait did I not map it back to normal???....

I think the norm is the blinking esc

And I'll send it over in like a week when I can finally use my HHKB :P
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #590 on: Wed, 09 July 2014, 10:05:50 »
Orders:

Sets: 13
PCBs: 3
Plates: 3


Question to those ordered extra PCB + Plate set (I am one of them):
Any idea to get a case for Duck Orion TKL?
An acrylic case for steel plate + PCB?

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #591 on: Sun, 13 July 2014, 16:38:18 »
Alright, so I found a place nearby that has a wide range of quality acrylic Bouwplastics.nl and I will ask them to make me one of the plates and a set of side-inserts.

Other than the side window dimensions, the DXF-files and the plate drawings, what other info should I send them?

I believe the bottom plate was 2mm and the side windows 12mm? Will they be able to lasercut it based on just that?
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #592 on: Tue, 15 July 2014, 12:42:02 »
Alright, so I found a place nearby that has a wide range of quality acrylic Bouwplastics.nl and I will ask them to make me one of the plates and a set of side-inserts.

Other than the side window dimensions, the DXF-files and the plate drawings, what other info should I send them?

I believe the bottom plate was 2mm and the side windows 12mm? Will they be able to lasercut it based on just that?

Hmm, I see the side window models but is there one for the acrylic plate?
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #593 on: Tue, 15 July 2014, 13:22:14 »
Updated with bottom plate. ;)

My original question still stands though. How thick is the bottom plate?
And it seems like it doesn't offer any dimensions so it is practically useless.
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #594 on: Tue, 15 July 2014, 15:28:16 »
Thanks, I missed that.

Updated with bottom plate. ;)

My original question still stands though. How thick is the bottom plate?
And it seems like it doesn't offer any dimensions so it is practically useless.

Looks like 2mm based on Google Translation for that link. I'll try to help you out and reach out to some plastic machine cutters to see if there's anything else needed outside of the DXF files and thickness
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #595 on: Tue, 15 July 2014, 16:33:26 »
Thanks, I missed that.

Updated with bottom plate. ;)
My original question still stands though. How thick is the bottom plate?
And it seems like it doesn't offer any dimensions so it is practically useless.
Looks like 2mm based on Google Translation for that link. I'll try to help you out and reach out to some plastic machine cutters to see if there's anything else needed outside of the DXF files and thickness
Thanks, appreciated. I haven't heard from the company I sent my request to yet. Could be that they are on holidays.
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #596 on: Tue, 15 July 2014, 16:35:54 »
Thanks, I missed that.

Updated with bottom plate. ;)
My original question still stands though. How thick is the bottom plate?
And it seems like it doesn't offer any dimensions so it is practically useless.
Looks like 2mm based on Google Translation for that link. I'll try to help you out and reach out to some plastic machine cutters to see if there's anything else needed outside of the DXF files and thickness
Thanks, appreciated. I haven't heard from the company I sent my request to yet. Could be that they are on holidays.

Watching your progress intently. GL  :thumb: Going to have to do the same myself at some point. Do you know how the acrylic plate works? Does it just sit between the two case pieces?

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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #597 on: Tue, 15 July 2014, 17:23:32 »
Watching your progress intently. GL  :thumb: Going to have to do the same myself at some point. Do you know how the acrylic plate works? Does it just sit between the two case pieces?

Duck never really posted a picture the case inside with a plate... but based on the DXF file, looks like it's a solid layer of acrylic with holes presumably for the screws to just pass through between the top/bottom of the keyboard case. So the PCB likely sits above the acrylic, not sure what kind of clearance there will be
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #598 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 19:11:59 »
When I held it together there seemed to be plenty of clearance. I even recall there was a picture where he just left off the bottom part and used the acrylic plate with some new feet for a flatter profile.

Question, are there any markers for the polarity of the LEDs? Margon is building mine now and he thinks he needs to load the firmware first to figure it out. If I can I would like to try to save him some time.
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Re: Orion TKL Group Buy
« Reply #599 on: Mon, 21 July 2014, 19:22:11 »
Question, are there any markers for the polarity of the LEDs? Margon is building mine now and he thinks he needs to load the firmware first to figure it out. If I can I would like to try to save him some time.

I haven't installed LEDs on mine yet (next up), but I'm assuming it's the same as the Lightsaver:

PLEASE NOTE when installing LEDs, polarity is not indicated on the PCB, but it's the standard + on the right, - on the left, when looking at the PCB from the top (not from the bottom).  BUT, if you're doing a 1.5x modifier layout on the bottom row, note that the LEDs for the right-side Alt/GUI/Ctrl should be reversed in orientation to - / +.

Hope that helps
G.O.A.T.