Cherry g80-3000 (pics inside)

[patrickgeekhack]

I'm just reacting to this.  When I have a typo it has nothing to do with the key size.  Key feel and texture.... maybe.

But numbers don't lie. In the case of the G80-3000 vs. ABS M1, the gap, the key feel, and the texture, all feel different. Each contributed a bit.

[patrickgeekhack]

Allow me to go on a rant...to be honest, I only find "word per minute" to be good for bragging rights for social networking virtuoso's. Otherwise, I'm busy staring at code forming logic in my head more than I am furiously striking keys. Most wpm tests don't really use characters I'm familiar to using (regular expressions anyone?) anyways...so I find them to be less important the more tests I take.

Edit: I take that back, having a fast WPM does have it's niche. Things like word processing or a secretary position, basically looking at a sheet of paper and typing it into a computer still requires that you type very fast. But more and more as paper is phased out, I find this becoming less important.

It is a bragging right in a way. I won't deny that. It's also very satisfying for my ego :-). The reason why I learned to touch type was because I was wasting too much time when I was learning to code, and when I started to code for a living (long time ago).  But, like you said, it does have its benefits. I'm currently working towards an Arts degree part-time which means a lot of essays to write. I'm so glad I can type fast. Now, I'm trying to be as accurate as possible. Typing fast is useless if I'm going to leave mistakes everywhere and have to go back and make some corrections.

I'm not so sure about a paperless world though. I find people printing more as  a result. People print more e-mails, print more invoices, etc. The same amount of printing is occurring, but shifted from being done by the service companies to being done by the customers.

[itlnstln]

It is a bragging right in a way. I won't deny that. It's also very satisfying for my ego :-). The reason why I learned to touch type was because I was wasting too much time when I was learning to code, and when I started to code for a living (long time ago). But, like you said, it does have its benefits. I'm currently working towards an Arts degree part-time which means a lot of essays to write. I'm so glad I can type fast. Now, I'm trying to be as accurate as possible. Typing fast is useless if I'm going to leave mistakes everywhere and have to go back and make some corrections.
 
I'm not so sure about a paperless world though. I find people printing more as a result. People print more e-mails, print more invoices, etc. The same amount of printing is occurring, but shifted from being done by the service companies to being done by the customers.

The only professions I see where pure typing speed is beneficial are in writing, dictation and transcribing fields.  I code at work, and I spend more time thinking about what to type than actually typing it.  Same thing posting here.  My thought process slows down my typing since I have to think about what I type.  I almost never do any straight transcription.

[patrickgeekhack]

The only professions I see where pure typing speed is beneficial are in writing, dictation and transcribing fields.  I code at work, and I spend more time thinking about what to type than actually typing it.  Same thing posting here.  My thought process slows down my typing since I have to think about what I type.  I almost never do any straight transcription.

I went from hunt and peck to touch typing. Therefore, I noticed a big difference. Please note, that from 1992 to 1996, I did not touch a keyboard at all, so when I went to learn programming, typing was a nightmare.

Today, it's a skill I'm glad I acquired. Because I work full-time and study part-time, I'm glad I can spend more time reading textbook than typing. I like to read, and then summarize what I've read.

[itlnstln]

I went from hunt and peck to touch typing. Therefore, I noticed a big difference. Please note, that from 1992 to 1996, I did not touch a keyboard at all, so when I went to learn programming, typing was a nightmare.
 
Today, it's a skill I'm glad I acquired. Because I work full-time and study part-time, I'm glad I can spend more time reading textbook than typing. I like to read, and then summarize what I've read.

I learned to touch type in 1995 when I got my first ergo 'board (the original MS Natural).  I was pretty much forced to since you really can't hunt and peck on those (that, and pretty much defeats the purpose of having an ergo 'board).

[patrickgeekhack]

I learned to touch type in 1995 when I got my first ergo 'board (the original MS Natural).  I was pretty much forced to since you really can't hunt and peck on those (that, and pretty much defeats the purpose of having an ergo 'board).

Exactly. Forgot to mention that my first PC in 1997 came with an ergo keyboard, similar to the MS Natural, but better in my opinion because it had a nice feel to it and a nice clacking sound :-) Like you said, hunt and peck is not the greatest thing to do on an ergo keyboard.

[o2dazone]

Oh, add 'stenographer' to the list of having "skills to pay the bills" lol

[lowpoly]

Someone pull two adjacent standard keycaps on a Filco and measure the distance from switch end to switch end with a caliper. Standard is 19.05mm.

[IBI]

Measuring the main key cluster:

IBM - Width 11" (CTL to CTL)
          Height 3.5" (~ to CTL)
Filco - Same
Realforce - Same
Das - Same
$10 Logitech - tad bigger and kinda weird left CTL placement (LOL)

Using a Starrett Hardened Steel Machinist Ruler - Precision measurements since 1880.

A more precise unit would have been nice, milimetres say.

Certainly measuring my keyboards the height is well over 3.5", it looks like 94mm by 284mm is standard

[D-EJ915]

don't get caught up in buzzwords, being precise has nothing to do with your unit of measure and is also the wrong word in the first place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision

[IBI]

LOL - I actually measured using the 1/64th inch scale but it worked out exact IF you measure from top of key cap edge to edge.  We're only talking the part your fingers touch. Area and spacing, not whether it's scooped etc.

Ah, I was assuming you'd measured from the bottom of each key and rounded it off to the nearest half-inch instead of trying to work out whether it was nine sixteenths or seventeen thirty-twoths.

D-EJ915: No, it was the right word. I don't know what precision ripster's super-rule has but my ruler is only marked in tenths of an inch which are significantly bigger than the milimetres on the other side. (come to think of it, they must be 2.54 times bigger)

[patrickgeekhack]

LOL - I actually measured using the 1/64th inch scale but it worked out exact IF you measure from top of key cap edge to edge.  We're only talking the part your fingers touch. Area and spacing, not whether it's scooped etc.

Don't make me buy another Starret rule - they're expensive!

You can always return it after, can't you? :whoo:

[D-EJ915]

D-EJ915: No, it was the right word. I don't know what precision ripster's super-rule has but my ruler is only marked in tenths of an inch which are significantly bigger than the milimetres on the other side. (come to think of it, they must be 2.54 times bigger)

Precision has nothing to do with accuracy, just closeness, it could be totally incorrect but precise.  You can say that the millimeter is a better form of measurement and provides higher accuracy for the measurement but that has nothing to do with precision.  Even this is a bit wrong lol.

Accuracy = how many places you get.  So having 1/64" marks is more accurate than having 1/32" marks by 1/64" like a millimeter adds accuracy to the meter, say 1.0 meter vs 1.00 meter 1.00 is the most accurate

I'm also going to say I could be totally incorrect, lol, but that is not likely.

[jayray999]

I am reminded of the 1999 Mars Orbiter.

[D-EJ915]

that was a huge facepalm when that went down lol

[patrickgeekhack]

Geminicomputers.com have them in stock again.

[patrickgeekhack]

LOL - that's no fun.

Why not? LOL...makes it easier to spend money.

[neptunebadger]

Thanks for the heads up on geminicomputers.com having them back in stock. Just ordered mine.

[Idiot_Hacker]

I just received this keyboard today and using it to type this reply.  This is my first blue cherry switch keyboard.  It has a definitely higher pitch click then my model Ms.  The keys feel crisp but that maybe because it's new.  I do love the look of the keyboard on my desk.....  It does a better job of matching my monitors and pc.  I am not sure if I love the feel of the blue cherry switch but I will give it some time for me to adjust to it.  Since I switch keyboards depending on my mood and I have so many model Ms with different degrees of spring tension, I have to say I have been leaning towards my compaq 11800 these days but will probably revert to back to my trusty Model M from '88 soon.  It's weird that when I do a typing speed test, I type fastest on my IBM Ultranav keyboard.  Go figure!

[neptunebadger]

My girlfriend says that there are two ways to type Chinese, and those different sets are for different parts of a character.

[sixty]

Just got this board in the mail. Have to say I'm shocked how big it is. Guess I am too spoiled my the HHKB and Majestouch. Also for some reason it refuses to work on the mac at all. Gotta look into this later.

[Hak Foo]

I just broke down and ordered one from TotalBarcode-- anyone dealt with 'em?  (I can't keep them straight-- it's 'one of those till dealers')

[Hak Foo]

As long as they don't have P.O.S. in the title you should be OK.

Here's one person who bought from them.

Backordered til December.

I tried Barcode Giant now.

[Hak Foo]

Out of stock there too.  Nice of them to wait days to let me know.

Evidently, I may be just putting the G80 on my christmas list.  "I want Japanese comics and keyboards."  Is that wrong to say at my age and career level?

[patrickgeekhack]

Out of stock there too.  Nice of them to wait days to let me know.

Evidently, I may be just putting the G80 on my christmas list.  "I want Japanese comics and keyboards."  Is that wrong to say at my age and career level?

Have you tried geminicomputers.com? I bought my first one from them. Then I wanted one for backup and they were out of stock. However, they custom ordered one and did charge anything extra.

[HOLYCOWBATMAN]

if any canadian want a G803000LSCRC2 you could try :
http://www.1click2computers.com/product_details/detail.asp?prod_id=G803000LSCRC2&from_dist=I

i bought mine there, they seem out of stock for now... but sending an email to know the eta isnt that hard =)

[patrickgeekhack]

if any canadian want a G803000LSCRC2 you could try :
http://www.1click2computers.com/product_details/detail.asp?prod_id=G803000LSCRC2&from_dist=I

i bought mine there, they seem out of stock for now... but sending an email to know the eta isnt that hard =)

How much did it cost for shipping?

[HOLYCOWBATMAN]

How much did it cost for shipping?

Cherry - G80-3000LSCRC-2 $73.46

Sub Total: $73.46
Shipping and Handling: $15.00
(5.00%)   Gst: $4.42
(7.50%)   Qst: $6.97
Total:$99.85

order date 12/8/2008

[patrickgeekhack]

Cherry - G80-3000LSCRC-2 $73.46

Sub Total: $73.46
Shipping and Handling: $15.00
(5.00%)   Gst: $4.42
(7.50%)   Qst: $6.97
Total:$99.85

order date 12/8/2008

Not bad, but not much different from geminicomputers.com if you are in Ontario. I paid roughly the same amount for my first one and a little about CAD $90 for my second one. Of course, exchange rate played a role since the price of the keyboard in US $ did not change nor did the cost of shipping.

[HOLYCOWBATMAN]

just something that some might find usefull... when i got the keyboard the spacebar was really stiff because it was actually a green keyswitch so i took it apart and changed it for a blue one from some other useless key...i used the print screen keyswitch if i remember correctly.

[patrickgeekhack]

just something that some might find usefull... when i got the keyboard the spacebar was really stiff because it was actually a green keyswitch so i took it apart and changed it for a blue one from some other useless key...i used the print screen keyswitch if i remember correctly.

True, since it's usually harder for Canadians to get mechanical keyboard in Canada. It's nice to see that there are some options.

Yes, I found the spacebar and the backspace to be stiffer. I got used to them after a while. It's my favourite keyboard even though I've tried brown cherries, buckling spring and black ALPS and like them too. In fact, I'm much faster and make less typo on my G80.

[patrickgeekhack]

Musta been on your Filco typing this.

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[itlnstln]

You misspelled "typos;" you forgot the "s."

[patrickgeekhack]

You misspelled "typos;" you forgot the "s."

Ah...

[patrickgeekhack]

just something that some might find usefull... when i got the keyboard the spacebar was really stiff because it was actually a green keyswitch so i took it apart and changed it for a blue one from some other useless key...i used the print screen keyswitch if i remember correctly.

How do you like besides the swap in the switch?