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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 23:50:52 »
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 23:57:53 »
Duck keeps making all these amazing keyboards!  I'm a big fan :)
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 23:59:45 »
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 00:36:31 »
omfg. i just spent so much money on ergodox + accessories.
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 00:50:47 »
and I was just about to build an ergodox
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 00:51:14 »
Nobody panic. These are just renders still. Our wallets have time!

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 00:58:24 »
That looks way more appealing than an ErgoDox. Still not sure about going the ergo route...but I guess until this gets released, I have more time to warm up to the idea.
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 00:59:29 »
not sure how anyone can not like this layout if they're fine with 60% and 75% layouts. it's the best of ergo and normal worlds.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 01:16:11 »
Oh man they've been listening to me! Personally I'd lose the function columns and the arrow mods on the side and just have a split 60 but I'm glad to see some new ergo designs coming out. Hopefully once I get some more time I can work on my PCB design.
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 01:48:24 »
That looks way more appealing than an ErgoDox. Still not sure about going the ergo route...but I guess until this gets released, I have more time to warm up to the idea.

I'm not a fan of the stagger. it really helped improve my technique when using the ergodox when I first made one.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 02:09:59 »
Cheese and crackers!!!
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 02:16:39 »
I'm not a fan of the stagger. it really helped improve my technique when using the ergodox when I first made one.
This comment is confusingly worded. Which stagger aren’t you a fan of? Which “it” helped you improve your technique?

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 02:52:03 »
I'm not a fan of the stagger. it really helped improve my technique when using the ergodox when I first made one.
This comment is confusingly worded. Which stagger aren’t you a fan of? Which “it” helped you improve your technique?

sorry, I'm less coherant when I'm tired.
The above linked keyboard has a "staggered" layout, as opposed to a matrix layout, or some other layout (the ergodox has no horizontal stagger, for example). The word "staggered" commonly refers to horizontally staggered layouts, due to their proliferation, though vertically staggered ones such as the ergodox would qualify as well by most definitions.

What I meant is that eliminating horizontally staggered layouts helped improve my typing technique, or specifically, a non horizontally staggered layout helped.

The "it" refers specifically to the ergodox later in the sentence, and more generally to non-horizontally-staggered keyboards.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 03:13:26 »
A traditional stagger and enormous positive tilt built into the case? No thank you. Hopefully this is a very early render if it's a real product.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 03:15:58 »
I still love Ergodox than Ergo Duck. Although i never use Ergodox, I just talk about form. Maybe i 'll try Ergodox this year ;)

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 03:19:51 »
Make this topre please!  :thumb: :p

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 03:40:00 »
Oh my God oh my God this is so beautiful
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 03:52:40 »
I so want one!
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:01:17 »
Duck just keeps pumping out amazing keyboards!  :eek:

It's beautiful.. :'(
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:06:11 »
Typewriter-like staggering and 6 on the left side? I'll pass. If I forget about ErgoDox, still Matias Ergo Pro >>> this.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:19:26 »
^are there actually more boards with 6 on the right side?  or is it just more right for you personally?

what do you put in the 6 spot on the ergodox?  just leave it empty?
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:22:16 »
^are there actually more boards with 6 on the right side?  or is it just more right for you personally?

what do you put in the 6 spot on the ergodox?  just leave it empty?

Edited out. it's late and I'm not thinking straight.

Now that people keep bringing up the 6 key, and how the "proper" way to use it is on the right side...I'm finding myself hitting it with my left hand  :-\. It just seems like less diagonal travel for me.
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:29:05 »
6 is on the wrong side.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:30:58 »
^are there actually more boards with 6 on the right side?  or is it just more right for you personally?

what do you put in the 6 spot on the ergodox?  just leave it empty?

There's no 6 spot on the ergodox. 6 is the key above Y on QWERTY and it fits properly on matrix/columnar physical layouts.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:36:04 »
^are there actually more boards with 6 on the right side?  or is it just more right for you personally?

what do you put in the 6 spot on the ergodox?  just leave it empty?

Edited out. it's late and I'm not thinking straight.

Now that people keep bringing up the 6 key, and how the "proper" way to use it is on the right side...I'm finding myself hitting it with my left hand  :-\. It just seems like less diagonal travel for me.

that's how I've always done it...my left hand is ALWAYS on the keyboard.  for those 'middle line' keys, why bother taking my hand off of the mouse when my left hand can hit it no problem whatsoever.


There's no 6 spot on the ergodox. 6 is the key above Y on QWERTY and it fits properly on matrix/columnar physical layouts.

okay, I see what you're doing now.

you're not using a qwerty-like number row correct?  as in, at least two of the -, +, and backspace keys is not on the top row (or at least not in the top right of the board)?

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:36:50 »
^are there actually more boards with 6 on the right side?  or is it just more right for you personally?

what do you put in the 6 spot on the ergodox?  just leave it empty?

There's no 6 spot on the ergodox. 6 is the key above Y on QWERTY and it fits properly on matrix/columnar physical layouts.
Oh. You should talk clearly before :)

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:38:53 »
^are there actually more boards with 6 on the right side?  or is it just more right for you personally?

what do you put in the 6 spot on the ergodox?  just leave it empty?

There's no 6 spot on the ergodox. 6 is the key above Y on QWERTY and it fits properly on matrix/columnar physical layouts.
Oh. You should talk clearly before :)

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:58:04 »
It seems to me if someone comes up with a split keyboard, there will always be someone who 'loses out' on the 6 key.  If you are going to use the board all the time, you'll get used it quick enough.
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 07:19:26 »
^are there actually more boards with 6 on the right side?  or is it just more right for you personally?

what do you put in the 6 spot on the ergodox?  just leave it empty?

There's no 6 spot on the ergodox. 6 is the key above Y on QWERTY and it fits properly on matrix/columnar physical layouts.
Oh. You should talk clearly before :)

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 07:38:19 »
So tempting...
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 09:02:09 »
If it didn't have all those extra keys on the left and right, I'd definitely grab it. As is though, it's not really up my alley.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 09:09:53 »
wow, gonna be my next buy.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 10:17:23 »
Sigh...

It's not Ergo if it's staggered qwerty

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:40:12 »
Sigh...

It's not Ergo if it's staggered qwerty

Matias, Microsoft and a bunch of other companies would disagree.

Man I hate the Ergodox circlejerk around here. If you're not interested then why post? I don't go into Ergodox saying how much I hate matrix layouts.
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:59:44 »
The ErgoDox has plenty of room for improvement, not the least of which is availability and price. It's very disappointing every time a company announces one of these half-hearted ergo keyboards instead of a really transformative product.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 11:59:57 »
Sigh...

It's not Ergo if it's staggered qwerty

Matias, Microsoft and a bunch of other companies would disagree.

Man I hate the Ergodox circlejerk around here. If you're not interested then why post? I don't go into Ergodox saying how much I hate matrix layouts.
Why? Can you let me know reason?

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 12:55:40 »
Thank goodness it's a render. Last thing I need right now is another board to shred my wallet.  :-[

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 12:59:01 »
This might be my end game.........

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:16:58 »
whoa! nice! if it's not ridiculous in pricing, I might go for this!

But the real question is... Where is the space bar...? :eek:
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:20:40 »
whoa! nice! if it's not ridiculous in pricing, I might go for this!

But the real question is... Where is the space bar...? :eek:

Korean custom ergo keyboard with a metal case - take a guess about the price ;)
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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:26:04 »
whoa! nice! if it's not ridiculous in pricing, I might go for this!

But the real question is... Where is the space bar...? :eek:

Korean custom ergo keyboard with a metal case - take a guess about the price ;)
Those two shifts probably act as spacebars.

The way I see it, you're basically paying for 2 60% customs.  So take the price of one of them and double that - guessing around $475, but could be higher or lower depending on various factors.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:28:09 »
Matias, Microsoft and a bunch of other companies would disagree.

Man I hate the Ergodox circlejerk around here. If you're not interested then why post? I don't go into Ergodox saying how much I hate matrix layouts.

Hey, sorry I didn't mean to step on anybody's toes. I probably could have worded that better. It's no secret that I definitely prefer the ErgoDox layout to a standard QWERTY (it's not a matrix, btw, it's actually called "columnar").

I guess what I was trying to say is that doing nothing but splitting a standard layout is pretty much the bare minimum that can be done to increase ergonomics. While I applaud Duck (not to mention Matias) for moving in the direction, but just as I commented on the Matias thread, I think that more could be done. Also, I used Microsoft's Natural line of keyboards for 10 years, so I'm very familiar with what Microsoft considers ergonomic.

Regardless, that is a definitely sexy board. It's all love around here!!

PS: I'm genuinely curious, have you tried an ErgoDox? I definitely don't think that it's the perfect keyboard (far from it), but I, and many others, feel that it's a great improvement over standard layouts. Much in the same way that most of us here feel that mechanical keyboards are an improvement over rubber domes.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 14:56:16 »
^are there actually more boards with 6 on the right side?  or is it just more right for you personally?

what do you put in the 6 spot on the ergodox?  just leave it empty?

There's no 6 spot on the ergodox. 6 is the key above Y on QWERTY and it fits properly on matrix/columnar physical layouts.
See, I never understood this. The offset between those rows is 0.5 so the 6 is above Y and F in Dvorak, or between T and Y in QWERTY. This is why you see it both ways in ergo boards. I know a lot of your people are set in your ways, but I feel like it'd be easy to get used to either way. I know it was for me when I had an ergodox.

Sigh...

It's not Ergo if it's staggered qwerty

It's fully programmable, so you pick any layout you want (not just QWERTY). I think you're right about the stagger, but the real factor is the extreme slope of 11 degrees. That said, it's an awesome looking keyboard, and probably somewhat wore ergonomic than a normal one. I wouldn't get it for its ergonomic aspects, but rather for other reasons.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 15:41:21 »
If it'll be possible to tent it, the angle shouldn't be that much of an issue, although it's still big. OTOH it'd be rather difficult to fix the asymmetric stagger, only limit its effect, but see, humans are essentially symmetric, but those keyboards aren't. I understand it as more of a philosophical argument (possibly similar to your objections to Colemak).

Offset on the number row is different from offset on the other rows. That's why I've always struggled with reaching to the parenthesis and such symbols, while touch typing. In the end, I develop my own fingering technique, but it was a workaround... again.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 15:54:00 »
This is the first so called ergonomic keyboard I really like. Does someone have a link to a place with information on the board in English?

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 15:58:22 »
Make this topre please!  :thumb: :p


Maybe both, cherry and topre. If they want to make two different developments though.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #47 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 16:18:21 »
This is the first so called ergonomic keyboard I really like. Does someone have a link to a place with information on the board in English?

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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 16:23:39 »
Make this topre please!  :thumb: :p


Maybe both, cherry and topre. If they want to make two different developments though.

Its pretty much impossible to make DIY topre at this point.

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Re: ErgoDuck
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 16:42:35 »
I just hope this does not cost a fortune. The renders show what appears to be an aluminum case. Awghh!