Author Topic: should i complete my collection with cherry blues?  (Read 4703 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline jacobolus

  • Posts: 3639
  • Location: San Francisco, CA
Re: should i complete my collection with cherry blues?
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:48:04 »
Here are some measurements of various clicky switches made last week using HaaTaís force gauge. Note, these are just measuring a single switch from a single keyboard, so might not be ideally representative. x-axis is micrometers, y-axis is grams-force.

Cherry MX blue:


IBM Model F:


Amber Omron B3G-S:


Cyan Omron B3G-S


Blue SMK Alps-mount:


Marquardt butterfly switch:
« Last Edit: Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:57:49 by jacobolus »

Offline fohat.digs

  • * Elevated Elder
  • Posts: 5585
  • Location: 34.04 N 84.47 W
  • weird funny old guy
Re: should i complete my collection with cherry blues?
« Reply #51 on: Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:50:14 »
Awesome! Totally explains why Model F and Alps/SMK blues are my favorites.

But just what are the axes measuring?
ďAs psychoanalysts we understand how one of the things that makes for a certain kind of mental pathology is a hatred of reality and an attack on thought. Donald Trump hates reality .... there are so many different factors psychologically and emotionally that are involved with his behavior that to really understand Donald Trump would mean that you would understand of all of psychiatry. Trump is against any kind of rules or regulation. He sees everything as a kind of psychological straitjacket. Donald Trump probably has the lowest frustration tolerance of any president I have ever witnessed. It is very hard for most people to accept that Donald Trump is not normal, because it is such an unusual situation. He doesnít believe in rules. Not ever - Donald Trump is like a two-year-old child.
Donald Trump actually hates loving families. He hates a deep connection between mothers and children. Donald Trump hates mothers and children. He cannot control those feelings. Therefore Trumpís goal is to separate mothers and children. He wants to punish them. Other people identify with the aggressor, the abuser. This is what Donald Trump did. He became cruel, like the parent, as a way of protecting himself from his own anxiety. Donald Trumpís father always wanted him to be a killer. So psychologically Donald Trump functions like a killer ó but he doesnít kill directly."
- Justin A Frank - Trump on the Couch - 2019

Offline jacobolus

  • Posts: 3639
  • Location: San Francisco, CA
Re: should i complete my collection with cherry blues?
« Reply #52 on: Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:51:24 »
But just what are the axes measuring?
x-axis is micrometers, y-axis is grams-force.

Offline False_Dmitry_II

  • Posts: 1106
Re: should i complete my collection with cherry blues?
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 08 April 2014, 17:55:28 »
I've clearly tried four, read a little harder.

No, that's two different types. Greens and blues have a spring strength difference, and F and M are still both buckling springs. i.e. You've tried MX clicky and BS. That's two types. Preemptive explanation: If you consider greens and blues as fundamentally different, then the number of varieties of cherry mx switches approaches infinity; and that's before any other manufacturers are considered.

But thanks to this thread I finaly know why I don't find Mx Blues really awesome (and Cherry's switches in general, even though I kinda like clears) :
- too linears in the force you have to give, just a little click "in the middle" and that's all (kind of exagerated but still kinda true)
- the way the key is mounted on the switch gives a little lousy feeling while on other switches the keys are better seated on the switches

Then again I like blues, just not as much as some other switches

Yeah, I probably would have used blues more, but I got those and SI at roughly the same time. I eventually just decided that I liked those more, it's not that I necessarily dislike blues. I even used it for another day or two before I sold mine so I could be sure I was willing to. If it was between blues and back to RD's I'd obviously choose blues, but that's a bit extreme.

You should see what matias says about MX, though.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin (11 Nov. 1755)


Offline Red0y0s

  • Posts: 10
Re: should i complete my collection with cherry blues?
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 08 April 2014, 18:38:11 »
Dude, the click is where it's at!!!

Got a ducky shine 3 (Blue) for home and much to the disappointment of my co-workers, got a Filco Majestouch 2 (Blue) for work.

I do recommend using o-rings though! They are a must in my opinion.

Offline Kliee

  • Posts: 42
  • Location: France
Re: should i complete my collection with cherry blues?
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 08 April 2014, 18:45:41 »
You should see what matias says about MX, though.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1wknkm/i_am_edgar_matias_designer_of_matias_keyboards/cf30dlk

I kind of agree with what he says, makes me want to try Matias keyboards/Alps even more !
That said, saying the Cherry switches feel like cheap rubber domes, he's dramaticaly exagerating... or trolling.

Simple solution, try typing at about an average of 120 wpm or so when doing everyday tasks on heavier switches. See how it feels to be me.

Hmmm, I confess I don't type that fast. With BS I reach 60/65 WPM with 100% accuracy, with Topre and Cherry (even clears), 55 with 100% accuracy. So yeah, maybe with that speed it would get tiring (and awfully loud  ;D).
Then again, a lot of typists from the times of the model M, or even before the computer era with typewriters, used heavy switches for 8 hours of furious typing everyday. So I still tend to think it's a habit to take.
I'm absolutely not saying that BS is the way to go and that light switches are wrong. As usual, it's a matter of feeling.

« Last Edit: Tue, 08 April 2014, 18:47:14 by Kliee »
Topre Realforce 104UB | IBM model M 1391401 (1987 & 1991), 52G9658 (1993), 51G8572 (1994) | Unicomp Customizer 105 (fr) | Unicomp Customizer 101 | Cherry G80-3000 MX Clear | Noppoo Choc Mini Mx Blue | Steelseries Steelkeys 6G V1 Mx Black

Offline fohat.digs

  • * Elevated Elder
  • Posts: 5585
  • Location: 34.04 N 84.47 W
  • weird funny old guy
Re: should i complete my collection with cherry blues?
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 08 April 2014, 19:01:53 »
I do recommend using o-rings though! They are a must in my opinion.

O-rings are best for all other Cherries, but for blue I like soft landing pads.
ďAs psychoanalysts we understand how one of the things that makes for a certain kind of mental pathology is a hatred of reality and an attack on thought. Donald Trump hates reality .... there are so many different factors psychologically and emotionally that are involved with his behavior that to really understand Donald Trump would mean that you would understand of all of psychiatry. Trump is against any kind of rules or regulation. He sees everything as a kind of psychological straitjacket. Donald Trump probably has the lowest frustration tolerance of any president I have ever witnessed. It is very hard for most people to accept that Donald Trump is not normal, because it is such an unusual situation. He doesnít believe in rules. Not ever - Donald Trump is like a two-year-old child.
Donald Trump actually hates loving families. He hates a deep connection between mothers and children. Donald Trump hates mothers and children. He cannot control those feelings. Therefore Trumpís goal is to separate mothers and children. He wants to punish them. Other people identify with the aggressor, the abuser. This is what Donald Trump did. He became cruel, like the parent, as a way of protecting himself from his own anxiety. Donald Trumpís father always wanted him to be a killer. So psychologically Donald Trump functions like a killer ó but he doesnít kill directly."
- Justin A Frank - Trump on the Couch - 2019