Panda Clears and Ghost Blacks are better than Stock Clears and Stock Blacks

[Defect]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Panda Clears > 62g Lubed and Ghost Blacks are the best gaming switch.


Bring it on.


Edit to make post less trolly:
Swapping the 60 cherry spring in blacks with the 65/80 spring in clears is a better match imo.  These should be the default switches
Clear spring in clears makes them too mushy, but clear spring is black is great for gaming.  NEVER bottom out, feel like my fingers are always supported, and to actuate the switch takes little force.  Bottoming out requires a lot of force (80g).  Don't say anything until you've tried it.  I SWEAR BY IT.  Ghost blacks are god tier for gaming.

And clears with black spring are snappier than stock clears on the upstroke, and (opinion) are more joyful to type on.  Especially with super thick pbt and no lube on the bump (but lube on sliders)

[keymaster]

Warning: Preferences and opinions ahead

[Photekq]

This is a good thread. Good job OP

[SpAmRaY]

#Thorpe

[rowdy]

BS!

[Xowie]

10/10, would read again.

[Blackehart]

scissor switch?

[noisyturtle]

To be fair, Panda Clears are pretty much better than anything.

[Zeal]

Incoming lubed, 62g #GOLD clears.

[Defect]

Incoming lubed, 62g #GOLD clears.

About to desolder and replace with pandas.  /gg

What to do with 200 lubed 62g springs?

[Zeal]

Incoming lubed, 62g #GOLD clears.

About to desolder and replace with pandas.  /gg

What to do with 200 lubed 62g springs?

Record yourself burning it.

[CK Briefs]

Incoming lubed, 62g #GOLD clears.

About to desolder and replace with pandas.  /gg

What to do with 200 lubed 62g springs?

Record yourself burning it.

It's not about the #goldspringsburning, it's about sending a message.

[Zeal]

Incoming lubed, 62g #GOLD clears.

About to desolder and replace with pandas.  /gg

What to do with 200 lubed 62g springs?

Record yourself burning it.

It's not about the #goldspringsburning, it's about sending a message.

Actually, do the kirkle test. Microwave all 200 switches for a couple minutes, and see if cherry mx switches are microwave proof.

If they survive, bring on the blow torch.

[daerid]

Stock all the way.

COME AT ME BRO

[Zeal]

Stock all the way.

COME AT ME BRO

o**** son, that's rough.

[Pacifist]

clears literature is so convoluted

first there's the classic 62g ergo clear (of which there is regular, limited, and #gold) then you got your stock clear enthusiasts, panda clears, and then there is 45g with thin lube. Also 65g, 67g, all kinds of people who prefer different weights for the same stem

[Zeal]

clears literature is so convoluted

first there's the classic 62g ergo clear (of which there is regular, limited, and #gold) then you got your stock clear enthusiasts, panda clears, and then there is 45g with thin lube

Clears with 200g #GOLD springs, lubed. New super clear switch.

[Melvang]

clears literature is so convoluted

first there's the classic 62g ergo clear (of which there is regular, limited, and #gold) then you got your stock clear enthusiasts, panda clears, and then there is 45g with thin lube

Rockin the thin lubed clears with springs from year and a half old browns.  Not one switch sticks.  Though the space bar is a stock clear spring with thin lube. 

[feizor]

So if you just swap the springs on stock clears and stock blacks, you get two ideal switches?

[Zeal]

So if you just swap the springs on stock clears and stock blacks, you get two ideal switches?

"Ideal" switch feel is subjective.

[Defect]

So if you just swap the springs on stock clears and stock blacks, you get two ideal switches?

Yeah, I was 1. having fun 2. being serious.

Started swapping switches for a gaming board rotation (rather than my usual switch tests) and started to find that ghost blacks are AMAZING for gaming.  Also found that (without lube) panda clears are much snappier on the upstroke than stock clears.  They feel less mushy, too, and mushiness is often a big complaint with stock clears.

Clear spring with black stem does also have this mushiness, only it feels more like cushioniness (lol words).  Typing on ghost blacks is pretty weird, and pressing ghost blacks without a board plugged in feels bad.  But if you've ever gamed on it (I rotated hours of RTS and FPS), its absolutely amazing.  The strength of that heavy spring makes the key feel like it reacts faster.  On lighter switches I find that my fingers fatigue more than they do with these padded feeling ghost blacks.

But yes, it is all opinion.  What else is new, we all know that.  I'm sharing because I found through weeks of rotating that taking these two stock switches and swapping springs gives better spring/stem matches.  I wish these were the default setups rather than what they are now, and I encourage many people to try it out!

[genkidama]

What are Panda Clears? Ghost Blacks? Gold Clears?
Who am I? Where am I? What am I?   

I feel like I've been away for like a decade and new forms of keys pop up on every corner of my fine geekhack universe.

I just want Ergo Clears 

[SpAmRaY]

Stock all the way.

COME AT ME BRO

This guy know whats up.

[Defect]

What are Panda Clears? Ghost Blacks? Gold Clears?
Who am I? Where am I? What am I?   

I feel like I've been away for like a decade and new forms of keys pop up on every corner of my fine geekhack universe.

I just want Ergo Clears 

Actually working on an info graphic for this.  Busy week at work though so we'll see when I can post.

Basically,  ergo usually means light spring, can mean cherry 45/50 or korean 62 or anything really.  Some would say Panda clears are a form of ergo
Panda is black spring
Ghost is clear spring
62g usually refers to korean.  Gold plate optional (really I don't think it affects anything.   Looks great for hobby build pictures though)

[TheSoulhunter]

70g Clears and Ghost Blacks FTW!

[Sagii]

Screw you guys and your switches ! :c now I'd decided on brown cherry switches, after debating wether I'd get clears or browns for ages. Now I'm unsure again.  I hate you guys

Panda clears do sound nice though

[Folio]

200g springs under brown switches. Feels good man.

[bazh]

What are Panda Clears? Ghost Blacks? Gold Clears?
Who am I? Where am I? What am I?   

I feel like I've been away for like a decade and new forms of keys pop up on every corner of my fine geekhack universe.

I just want Ergo Clears 

Black spring + Clear/White stem = Panda
Clear spring + any stem = Ghost
#GOLD is for #SWAG

[Folio]

Black spring + Clear/White stem = Panda
Clear spring + any stem = Ghost
#GOLD is for #SWAG

But what about #DIAMOND?

[Zeal]

Black spring + Clear/White stem = Panda
Clear spring + any stem = Ghost
#GOLD is for #SWAG

But what about #DIAMOND?

#PLATINUM 62g springs. Get on my level.

[Folio]

Black spring + Clear/White stem = Panda
Clear spring + any stem = Ghost
#GOLD is for #SWAG

But what about #DIAMOND?

#PLATINUM 62g springs. Get on my level.

On a more serious note, Is it really GOLD GOLD? Or is it just brass? I can't see gold holding up that well as a thin little spring being compressed up and down all the time.

[CPTBadAss]

I think it's spring steel plated with gold.

[Zeal]

Black spring + Clear/White stem = Panda
Clear spring + any stem = Ghost
#GOLD is for #SWAG

But what about #DIAMOND?

#PLATINUM 62g springs. Get on my level.

On a more serious note, Is it really GOLD GOLD? Or is it just brass? I can't see gold holding up that well as a thin little spring being compressed up and down all the time.

No, if they were 999k gold, we'd spend more on springs than keyboards. (And it probably wouldn't even rebound.)

Not sure about the old "first generation" gold springs, but the recent GB sprit had were 18k gold plated springs. 

[bazh]

Black spring + Clear/White stem = Panda
Clear spring + any stem = Ghost
#GOLD is for #SWAG

But what about #DIAMOND?

#PLATINUM 62g springs. Get on my level.

On a more serious note, Is it really GOLD GOLD? Or is it just brass? I can't see gold holding up that well as a thin little spring being compressed up and down all the time.

No, if they were 999k gold, we'd spend more on springs than keyboards. (And it probably wouldn't even rebound.)

Not sure about the old "first generation" gold springs, but the recent GB sprit had were 18k gold plated springs. 

plus if they were, they wouldn't be springs, gold are too soft

but, will #PLATINUM beat #TITAN?

[Folio]

I guess it really is just for DA SWAGGGGGGGGGGGG

[TheSoulhunter]

No! It's to prevent corrosion when typing at 500WPM dropping all that salty sweat on the board...

[Zeal]

If we're so into matching colours, why has no one hosted a GB for anodized springs...? Red springs for red cases, black springs for black cases, etc.

[CPTBadAss]

Plating diff materials on the springs makes the springs feel a little different in my opinion. If you just make different colors, unless you have a clear top, there's no way you're going to see the springs.

[Defect]

Thread derail successful

[ferociousfingerings]

No! It's to prevent corrosion when typing at 500WPM dropping all that salty sweat on the board...

Or you could coat the entire thing with NeverWet...

[handystack]

unless you have a clear top, there's no way you're going to see the springs.

I missed the clear switch case GB, and I have clear keycaps on gold plated 62g clears 

[nubbinator]

Why are Ghost Blacks still not mentioned in the Deskthority wiki?  They are, afterall, the best switch ever.  And no, I'm not biased in any way about that.

[Melvang]

Why are Ghost Blacks still not mentioned in the Deskthority wiki?  They are, afterall, the best switch ever.  And no, I'm not biased in any way about that.

My guess would be due to the closeness of clear springs vs black springs.  I know they are different beasts with the clears having a much steeper compression rate.

[nubbinator]

Why are Ghost Blacks still not mentioned in the Deskthority wiki?  They are, afterall, the best switch ever.  And no, I'm not biased in any way about that.

My guess would be due to the closeness of clear springs vs black springs.  I know they are different beasts with the clears having a much steeper compression rate.

Maybe, but they feel so dramatically different, in a good way.  There wouldn't be so many converts if that weren't the case.

[Melvang]

Why are Ghost Blacks still not mentioned in the Deskthority wiki?  They are, afterall, the best switch ever.  And no, I'm not biased in any way about that.

My guess would be due to the closeness of clear springs vs black springs.  I know they are different beasts with the clears having a much steeper compression rate.

Maybe, but they feel so dramatically different, in a good way.  There wouldn't be so many converts if that weren't the case.

If I can find the springs I might just put them in the lubed blacks I have in my WYSE, when I get around to putting that together with the Enablers (not sure if vintage or modern with a build stamp of 96).

[Defect]

Why are Ghost Blacks still not mentioned in the Deskthority wiki?  They are, afterall, the best switch ever.  And no, I'm not biased in any way about that.

My guess would be due to the closeness of clear springs vs black springs.  I know they are different beasts with the clears having a much steeper compression rate.

Maybe, but they feel so dramatically different, in a good way.  There wouldn't be so many converts if that weren't the case.

If I can find the springs I might just put them in the lubed blacks I have in my WYSE, when I get around to putting that together with the Enablers (not sure if vintage or modern with a build stamp of 96).

After you do that, game on them for 3 hours (consecutive if you got that fever) and then tell me Blues are for gaming (hello Razer).  "For gamers.  By gamers 3 year olds"

[epzy]

Every switch is equal for gaming. Come @ me.

[Sagii]

I got no clue which one is better yet. Come at me.


Seriously though.. for the small amount of time I had reds I didn't like the linear feel when gaming.

[Defect]

Every switch is equal for gaming. Come @ me.

All except click types (blue/green/white), which blow for gaming (just look at the engineering design..) but are an absolute JOY for typing.  Rest is personal preference which sparks endless discussion.

I got no clue which one is better yet. Come at me.
Seriously though.. for the small amount of time I had reds I didn't like the linear feel when gaming.

Once you've used all switches you learn to love them all and you'll find certain ones are better for certain tasks/times of day/current mood.

My 62g lubed blacks are still my primary for gaming and instead of swapping to ghost blacks I'm just gonna buy another 60 and put ghosts in that.  For slow pace/rts gaming at night.

62g in the morning, ghosts at night.

[epzy]

MX Blue for LoL all day.