Author Topic: Help a n00b choose a new keyboard (Read 38230 times)

Special K · « **Reply #100 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 01:35:38 »

Quote from: keyb_gr;91210

As they'd say elsewhere, welcome to Geekhack, and sorry about your wallet...

I'm also a member at head-fi, although luckily I have only bought one pair of cans since visiting the site and haven't felt the need to upgrade yet.

wbopal7 · « **Reply #101 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 01:52:52 »

Oh cool, what did you get?

wbopal7 · « **Reply #102 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 01:56:57 »

That site also got me into headphones. I bought a pair of UE super.fi 3's

Special K · « **Reply #103 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 01:59:59 »

Quote from: wbopal7;91405

Oh cool, what did you get?

I got a set of Sony MDR-XD400's. They aren't top of the line, but they were recommended as a good set of entry-level hi-fi headphones.

I like the MDR-XD400's, although I wonder what a more expensive pair like the DT770's would sound like.

itlnstln · « **Reply #104 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 08:20:31 »

IMO, the lighter the switch, the lighter any tactile bump is. I would type on both for awhile, I think you would get used to it. When I first got my MX11800, I could barely tell any tactile bump, but after I used it exclusively for a few days and got used to typing with "lighter fingers," I could easily tell where the tactile bump was, and I didn't bottom out as much. Now, when I go back and use Alps blacks, they almost feel like buckling springs.

On that note, I have found that the fake Alps blacks in the ABS M1 are more tactile than the Dell. It might be worth checking out.

MANISH7 · « **Reply #105 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 09:40:52 »

for me, what's even more important than a tactile bump is that the key switch is crisp and responsive to my fingers. then the second priority is that it be low force so my fingers exert the least. third priority, if possible, is tactility. the cherry brown mechanical switches fit the bill.

IBI · « **Reply #106 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 12:12:29 »

Quote from: Special K;91408

I got a set of Sony MDR-XD400's. They aren't top of the line, but they were recommended as a good set of entry-level hi-fi headphones.

I like the MDR-XD400's, although I wonder what a more expensive pair like the DT770's would sound like.

I bought a pair of Audio-Technica ATH-AD700s and wasn't that impressed for the price, they're good but not significantly better than my previous headphones. I think the point of diminishing returns is probably around half the price of those and the DT770s - at least with 'everyday' sound sources, A £150 headphone amp and super-audio CD might give a fair improvement but I've more interesting things to splash £300 on (such as an HHKB Pro or Realforce).

MANISH7 · « **Reply #107 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 12:32:48 »

Grado SR60 FTW!

You get the most bang for your buck with this one at $69.

Too bad I only connect it to my computer to listen to youtube videos and poor quality mp3s. So my poor source just bottle necks the head phones.

wbopal7 · « **Reply #108 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 22:09:04 »

The sennheiser HD 595 is pretty awesome. I want one of those. And something else right down your guys's alley would be fountain pens, since I'm assuming you guys write a lot.. Any of you guys use them?

MANISH7 · « **Reply #109 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 22:20:33 »

Quote from: wbopal7;91529

something else right down your guys's alley would be fountain pens, since I'm assuming you guys write a lot.. Any of you guys use them?

rofl on the contrary, i use the keyboard so much for writing/communicating that my pensmanship has considerably deteriorated.

it's gotten to bad that even if i need to send out an envelop, instead of writing it by hand, i have to type out the address, change the word processor layout to envelop, put an envelop in the printer, and then print it out! so sad. i need to do something about this.

despite that, yes, i am interested in a found pen just because i'm a snob for stuff like that lol!

wbopal7 · « **Reply #110 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 22:32:20 »

Yea I've never thought of them as snobby I just really enjoy writing with them. Bad thing is that all the kids at my school like to play with it... I had a rotring once. Great pens, but some of the ones they make are really quite ugly. My main pen now is a pelikan m805

wbopal7 · « **Reply #111 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 22:38:21 »

Haha i don't bring that one to school, thats my desk pen. I have an m200 for that.

wbopal7 · « **Reply #112 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 22:39:25 »

Oh yea.. keyboards. Has special k decided which he likes yet?

Special K · « **Reply #113 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 22:53:08 »

Quote from: wbopal7;91540

Oh yea.. keyboards. Has special k decided which he likes yet?

Right now I'm really liking the cherry browns on my MX-11800. Next on the list to try will be a vintage IBM model M for buckling spring keys and a Scorpius M10 for cherry blues.

There really doesn't seem to be any good choice for cherry blues. The M10 is the cheapest, but it's still $50 and from what I understand, the build quality isn't so great. The Das 3 has verified issues with key rollover (see the huge thread on the front page of the keyboards forum).

Special K · « **Reply #114 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 23:13:14 »

Quote from: ripster;91548

SpecialK, you are showing true signs of keyboard addiction. In 139 posts (admittedly about half of them are complete garbage) we've witnessed a major Geekhacker forming.

I had been meaning to buy a new keyboard for quite awhile. I hated the generic rubber membrane Dell I was using, but when I went to Best Buy to look at their display of keyboards, I didn't really like anything I saw (or felt) there either. These mechanical keyboards are exactly what I was looking for. It's just a pity they don't carry these in retail stores, otherwise I would have bought one a long time ago.

Quote from: ripster;91548

I was going to recommend the blue cherry Chinese Lettered G80-3000 but it looks like they are out of stock.

Yeah I saw that one too, but I'm wondering how big of a deal the "scooped" F and J keys would be, since I am so used to having the raised bumps on the keys.

o2dazone · « **Reply #115 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 23:19:36 »

from what I've read here it's a big deal to a lot of people. I've been touch typing for a few years and use the edge of the desk against my forearm to keep my hands in place, so none of the "flaws" of the keyboard (no nipples on F/J, Chinese legends) bother me. It's my second favorite keyboard! (...ok I only own two lol)

Special K · « **Reply #116 on:** Mon, 18 May 2009, 23:33:00 »

Quote from: ripster;91551

Well, the Chinese Lettered one is still available here. Hate it when they show a picture of a white keyboard and say you're ordering the black version.

The other option is to wait for the blue cherry Filcos to show up but they won't be cheap - it's a special order. I'm not going to defend the Das any more, I give up on those guys. The M10 isn't THAT risky - if you get a bad one just return it.

Good time maybe to wait a few weeks and watch the fun as Filcos ship, Das blows up, and maybe Cherry wises up and ships a clicky keyboard to THE BIGGEST MARKET IN THE WORLD DAMMIT. Naah, the last one will never happen.

The Filco is an interesting option, but I read through that thread and it seems the tenkeyless variant is much more popular than the standard 104-key board. I use the numpad a lot, so I would be primarily interested in a 104-key Filco board with blue cherries, but if these boards are special ordered, it sounds like they will only make the tenkeyless version.

I don't understand why the tenkeyless verisons are so popular on here. Are people really that pressed for desk space?

msiegel · « **Reply #117 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 00:24:40 »

yeah, that guy's shirt is definitely an eyesore

itlnstln · « **Reply #118 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 07:48:28 »

Quote from: ripster;91556

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People generally say ergonomics.

Lots of opinions on that one.

Just get what you need. If you like having a numpad and don't mind reaching a little more for that mouse then go for it. Interesting though the Japanese keyboard geeks like the smaller boards too. Trendy I guess.

That pic is well over-exaggerated. I would say that a numpad sasves about 4 inches at best. People's computer habits vary, but in my case, I ususally only mouse or only type. I don't really switch that often in order to notice the distance I move my arm to get to my mouse. Long live the numpad!

o2dazone · « **Reply #119 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 08:33:12 »

I used to be a big fan of having a full size keyboard. That slowly dissipated when I realized how nice it would be to have the mouse right next to the area I type most. When you really think about how often your hand travels from your keyboard to your mouse and then back to your keyboard, and also where your hand naturally rests on your mouse, it makes more sense to ditch the numpad. If you did a lot of taxes on a daily basis, I could see keeping a numpad, but Elitekeyboards sells an external Filco numpad now...so you can satiate that desire. Get a tenkeyless, and put the external numpad to the right of your mouse.

ps. I jerryrigged a "tenkeyless" by popping off all the keycaps and building a little shelf over the right side of my keyboard out of foam board. I loved it so much, that I regret not getting a tenkeyless Filco. I use the numpad...but not as much as I move my hand from the mouse to the keyboard

Mittens · « **Reply #120 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 16:51:48 »

Hi, I thought I'd sign up to say thanks to the geekhack community for teaching me a little about keyboards. But more importantly, saving me from going out out and buying yet another $4 keyboard, then needing more the next week because I couldn't smash in the right key combo in-game and my fist went through the current one.

Hopefully a Das Keyboard is going to last a bit longer with it's n-key fight diffusion technology and knuckle resistant construction. As well as the ****-waving points for anyone that happens to see it.

cchan · « **Reply #121 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 18:27:03 »

Shoot, I'm a page late. I like exotic writing instruments from Japan - I carry a Mitsubishi Uni Kuru Toga pencil and a Pentel Karen C4 multipen with me, as well as a Parker 45 fountain pen. I like to compare the 45 to the Model M: long-lasting, utilitarian but beautifully designed, and American-made. The Karen and Kuru Toga are like Filcos - precise and high style.

IBI · « **Reply #122 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 18:47:03 »

Quote from: Mittens;91664

As well as the ****-waving points for anyone that happens to see it.

You must be another American.

What sort of key combos are you failing on? If you're after build quality primarily then a decent but basic rubber dome keyboard might be a better choice - rubber and plastic sheeting should be less fist-sensitive than a mechanical switch - although you will have trouble finding one with full n-key rollover.

Mittens · « **Reply #123 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 20:14:14 »

Quote from: IBI;91683

You must be another American.

What sort of key combos are you failing on? If you're after build quality primarily then a decent but basic rubber dome keyboard might be a better choice - rubber and plastic sheeting should be less fist-sensitive than a mechanical switch - although you will have trouble finding one with full n-key rollover.

American? Way to insult every Australian on Earth. Mind you, we're just as fat and just as angry, but we have silly accents and drink a whole lot more. For key combos, I play using the arrow keys most of the time and Up + Left + Num 0 doesn't work (Move diagonally + Reload), but Left + Down + Num 0 does, Up + Left + Del doesn't work either (Move diagonally + Crouch), but Down + Left + Del does. Unfortunately, when I'm trying to crouch, check the scoreboard, strafe and reload all at the same time, it never ends well.

Also, in my second year of some sort of programming degree, I assume I'm eventually going to be doing more than **** all and it'll probably involve clacking away on codes or feasibility reports or something, so a good quality keyboard probably can't be any worse than what I'm currently on, yeah?

MANISH7 · « **Reply #124 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 22:12:25 »

Quote from: Mittens;91695

American? Way to insult every Australian on Earth.

ROFL!:usa2:

wheel83 · « **Reply #125 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 22:17:50 »

i am ignorant. i havent read any part of this thread. all i can say is buy a model m.

Special K · « **Reply #126 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 22:30:40 »

Quote from: wheel83;91703

i am ignorant. i havent read any part of this thread. all i can say is buy a model m.

It's the next one on my list of keyboards to get, along with a Scorpius M10.

o2dazone · « **Reply #127 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 23:10:16 »

Quote from: wheel83;91703

i am ignorant. i havent read any part of this thread. all i can say is buy a model m.

Another ignorant American chiming in. Is your president Crocodile Dundee?

wheel83 · « **Reply #128 on:** Tue, 19 May 2009, 23:24:13 »

no my presidents names rhyme with iraq osama and bin laden. isnt crocodile dundee the president of austria ?

btw i would FULLY recommend this seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-CLICKY-VINTAGE-KEYBOARD-Model-M-REFURBISHED-1391401_W0QQitemZ290317535193QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item43984607d9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

his keyboards are all tested, and bleached, and every spring is tested, etc. i would say they are better than new, with the extensiveness he takes the cleaining.

Special K · « **Reply #129 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 00:37:53 »

Quote from: ripster;91706

Here's a NIB Model M from what looks to be a decent Ebay seller - 100% rating, low shipping, and even has a RMA policy. I wouldn't pay more than $70 though, at that point you might as well just get a Unicomp.

Ignore this joker. He started with a $185 BIN - I want to see him suffer for trying to raise the price for all of us.

Good find, although I'm more interested in the 1391401 models.

IBI · « **Reply #130 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 09:15:52 »

Quote from: Mittens;91695

American? Way to insult every Australian on Earth. Mind you, we're just as fat and just as angry, but we have silly accents and drink a whole lot more.

Ah, I'm sorry. Such vulgarity is usually the preserve of the Americans.

Quote from: Mittens;91695

For key combos, I play using the arrow keys most of the time and Up + Left + Num 0 doesn't work (Move diagonally + Reload), but Left + Down + Num 0 does, Up + Left + Del doesn't work either (Move diagonally + Crouch), but Down + Left + Del does. Unfortunately, when I'm trying to crouch, check the scoreboard, strafe and reload all at the same time, it never ends well.

Yeah, if you play with the arrow keys you're probably either looking at an old keyboard with a different matrix (if you can get hold of one there) or a new one with full n-key rollover. The Model M/Unicomp is unlikely to be any good to be since I think they're fairly similar to modern keyboards in that respect (does anyone have one plugged in that they could check?)

Quote from: Mittens;91695

Also, in my second year of some sort of programming degree, I assume I'm eventually going to be doing more than **** all and it'll probably involve clacking away on codes or feasibility reports or something, so a good quality keyboard probably can't be any worse than what I'm currently on, yeah?

You could also have a look at importing a filco keyboard from Japan, that uses the US layout I believe is common in your country and you apparently have generous customs laws over there and don't have to pay any charges to import things under 1000AUD.

I don't know what the build quality of the Das and Filco are like, the only cherry switch keyboard I had was the Raptor-Gaming K1, which seemed so fragile inside with it's free floating circuit board I didn't even dare to hit it.

itlnstln · « **Reply #131 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 09:19:18 »

Quote from: IBI;91738

I don't know what the build quality of the Das and Filco are like, the only cherry switch keyboard I had was the Raptor-Gaming K1, which seemed so fragile inside with it's free floating circuit board I didn't even dare to hit it.

The Filco is solid. So is the G80-3000 from Cherry.

ironcoder · « **Reply #132 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 09:37:46 »

"LOL - we're on post #163 of this mega-thread and you've gone from"keyboard n00b" to "keyboard sn0b". We've done our job."

What a classic line! I like this forum!

itlnstln · « **Reply #133 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 09:47:40 »

Quote from: ironcoder;91745

"What a classic line! I like this forum!

You'll see plenty of them. Usually not from me, though. Bigpook and Webwit keep me rolling.

MANISH7 · « **Reply #134 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 13:29:53 »

Quote from: ripster;91706

Ignore this joker. He started with a $185 BIN - I want to see him suffer for trying to raise the price for all of us.

Actually, I'd recommend, for anyone interested, to offer this fella $60 - $70 and see if he'll sell it like that. He may be inclined if there are no bids. Such a deal may not be as good as me getting mine for $50 but it is fair. His keyboard is a Dec '88 which I can respect. My only tiff may be that I like my keyboards to be sealed in the box.

IBI · « **Reply #135 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 14:23:28 »

Quote from: itlnstln;91739

The Filco is solid. So is the G80-3000 from Cherry.

I thought the G80-3000 used the same design as the G80-1800? Keys mounted on a circuit board that was only supposed by the edges and maybe a few ridges underneath.

itlnstln · « **Reply #136 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 14:28:47 »

Quote from: IBI;91790

I thought the G80-3000 used the same design as the G80-1800? Keys mounted on a circuit board that was only supposed by the edges and maybe a few ridges underneath.

It might be, but I don't have any problems with flexing or any other structural issues. It is lighter than the Filco, but it doesn't feel fragile, by any means. I get a little better key feel from the G80 than I do from the Filco as well, but I think that is more due to the material used in the keycaps more than anything else structural.

MANISH7 · « **Reply #137 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 14:29:45 »

Quote from: ripster;91777

I get no pleasure out of scraping that 20 year old tape off the boards either - let them do it.

WHAT! Are you sure you're geek girl approved? Scraping that 20 year old tape is like ripping the wrapping of a Christmas present!

Mittens · « **Reply #138 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 16:51:53 »

Quote from: IBI;91738

You could also have a look at importing a filco keyboard from Japan, that uses the US layout I believe is common in your country and you apparently have generous customs laws over there and don't have to pay any charges to import things under 1000AUD.

I considered it, but EliteKeyboards quoted me $50 for shipping and the Yen exchange rate is not doing so well, making either option more expensive than the Das Keyboard by no small amount. It's too late to change my mind anyway, I've just now gone to my favourite online store and paid my $214.50 to, hopefully, be having finger orgasms by tomorrow afternoon.

itlnstln · « **Reply #139 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 16:53:45 »

Quote from: Mittens;91826

hopefully, be having finger orgasms tomorrow afternoon.

You better take your mittens off first.

Unless, you're using them to keep your keyboard clean.

IBI · « **Reply #140 on:** Wed, 20 May 2009, 18:36:57 »

Quote from: itlnstln;91794

It might be, but I don't have any problems with flexing or any other structural issues. It is lighter than the Filco, but it doesn't feel fragile, by any means. I get a little better key feel from the G80 than I do from the Filco as well, but I think that is more due to the material used in the keycaps more than anything else structural.

Yeah, while they're all likely to be solid for typing but if you're going to thump it you either want plastic that'll bend back into it's original shape, something that won't bend at all or something well-supported all the way through so it doesn't have room to bend (i.e. only compression with no tension). A lot of these mechanical keyboards have metal plates and soldered connections that won't like being deformed, but I don't know how much that's offset by the stiffness of construction.

Of course, I assuming Mittens was serious when he said he'd put his fist through the keyboard since I've given mine a few good thumpings, but maybe you were exaggerating. Even if not, I guess the price of the new keyboard will stop you thumping it for the first few months

p.s. I pulled the back off my shortboard today, while the 9.5 catalyst drivers were downloading, and was surprised to see that it's got a metal plate in it (screwed to the rest of the internals, urgh).

Special K · « **Reply #141 on:** Thu, 21 May 2009, 00:34:19 »

Quote from: ripster;91740

LOL - we're on post #163 of this mega-thread and you've gone from"keyboard n00b" to "keyboard sn0b". We've done our job.

LOL, I should put that in my sig.

EDIT: am I not able to see my own sig? I added that quote to my sig but I don't see it in my posts.

kyamei · « **Reply #142 on:** Thu, 21 May 2009, 01:59:33 »

Changing your sig doesn't update posts made before the change. I think.

Zathras · « **Reply #143 on:** Thu, 21 May 2009, 05:32:32 »

Quote from: Mittens;91826

I considered it, but EliteKeyboards quoted me $50 for shipping and the Yen exchange rate is not doing so well, making either option more expensive than the Das Keyboard by no small amount.

Tell me about it

Even though the Euro vs the Yen isn't too bad, by the time I get past the buyers service fee, shipping costs and additional taxes I'm going to end up paying double the actual cost price for a filco.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #144 on:** Thu, 21 May 2009, 07:37:06 »

Quote from: Zathras;91878

Even though the Euro vs the Yen isn't too bad, by the time I get past the buyers service fee, shipping costs and additional taxes I'm going to end up paying double the actual cost price for a filco.

Yikes. What about a plain ol' Cherry board then?

huha · « **Reply #145 on:** Thu, 21 May 2009, 13:27:25 »

Quote from: ripster;91551

Good time maybe to wait a few weeks and watch the fun as Filcos ship, Das blows up, and maybe Cherry wises up and ships a clicky keyboard to THE BIGGEST MARKET IN THE WORLD DAMMIT. Naah, the last one will never happen.

Well, they already sell them in Europe.

-huha

Special K · « **Reply #146 on:** Fri, 12 June 2009, 16:13:38 »

Well I've had a chance to use my AT101W and MX-11800 for a few weeks now, and here are my impressions:

I definitely prefer the MX-11800 over the AT101W. I can type faster and more accurately on the MX-11800, although I'm not exactly sure why. Here are a couple theories:

1. The keys of the MX-11800 "rebound" quicker than those of the AT101W
2. The keys of the MX-11800 require less force to press than those of the AT101W

Other than those two ideas, I'm not exactly sure why I am both a faster and more accurate typer on the MX-11800. I always bottom out on every keystroke on both boards. The AT101W is still a nice keyboard, but the MX-11800 is definitely my favorite.

Another interesting thing I noticed is that I don't really have a strong preference between the two keyboards when playing FPS games. I think it has to do with typical key patterns when playing these games. Normally I have two fingers resting on two of the WASD keys, and then periodically hit/hold 1-2 adjacent keys. For this limited range of movement, I don't notice much difference between the AT101W and MX-18000. Both boards handle off-center keypresses perfectly, unlike my old rubber dome board. I experience the largest difference between the boards when I'm typing at full speed.

I'm not sure how much of my perceived difference between these boards has to do with the switches, and how much is due to the boards themselves. That is, would I have the same experience if I were comparing a Filco FKBN104M/EB and an ABS M1?

Also, do most/all mechanical keyboards have a metal plate in them? I really like that the AT101W has some heft to it due to the metal plate inside.

itlnstln · « **Reply #147 on:** Fri, 12 June 2009, 16:17:34 »

Quote from: Special K;95808

1. The keys of the MX-11800 "rebound" quicker than those of the AT101W
2. The keys of the MX-11800 require less force to press than those of the AT101W

That's pretty much what I found. The lighter the keys, the faster I type, personally. What is kinda baffling is how springy the Cherry switches are. I am not too sure how the springs in the Cherrys can be any more springy than a spring in an Alps switch or BS switch. Then again, I am not a physicist, chemist, alchemist, whatever.

IBI · « **Reply #148 on:** Fri, 12 June 2009, 17:44:57 »

Quote from: Special K;95808

Well I've had a chance to use my AT101W and MX-11800 for a few weeks now, and here are my impressions:

I definitely prefer the MX-11800 over the AT101W. I can type faster and more accurately on the MX-11800, although I'm not exactly sure why. Here are a couple theories:

1. The keys of the MX-11800 "rebound" quicker than those of the AT101W
2. The keys of the MX-11800 require less force to press than those of the AT101W

I doubt return speed has any effect, although bounciness at the bottom of the travel may do. I'm not convinced force has any great effect either as there are keys with a wide ranges of forces that are nice to type on. Rather I feel it's a combination of the force graph of the switch, the shape and fitting of the keycaps, the tilting of the rows and the accoustics of the keyboard.

Quote from: Special K;95808

Also, do most/all mechanical keyboards have a metal plate in them? I really like that the AT101W has some heft to it due to the metal plate inside.

Most cherry/alps ones are mounted on a metal plate, but I think all the buckling spring keyboards are plastic (or is that metal painted black?). They do have a metal plate in them for stiffness and weight, but so do a lot of rubber dome and scissor switch keyboards.

Special K · « **Reply #149 on:** Fri, 12 June 2009, 19:35:11 »

Quote from: IBI;95830

I doubt return speed has any effect, although bounciness at the bottom of the travel may do. I'm not convinced force has any great effect either as there are keys with a wide ranges of forces that are nice to type on. Rather I feel it's a combination of the force graph of the switch, the shape and fitting of the keycaps, the tilting of the rows and the accoustics of the keyboard.

First you said "I'm not convinced force has any great effect either as there are keys with a wide ranges of forces that are nice to type on", but then you said "I feel it's a combination of the force graph of the switch".

What's the difference between the force and the force graph of the switch? Aren't they the same thing?

Also how do the acoustics of the keyboard affect ones typing speed and accuracy?

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