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how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs?
« on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 17:50:22 »
Rough mockup:


Edit: sometime later became a real physical thing:
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 17:51:56 »
I like that font but please, no more monochromatic colors. I don't know if I can handle another bit based around gray/black/white.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 17:56:47 »
that's blue, buddy! (but Iím not really too attached to the color scheme)
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 17:56:59 »
Red/Blue/Green on Cream Cheese dyesub on DCS would be cool. Maybe an option for blank mods in the legend color. Would look best with small legends, though, like on Filco caps.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 18:04:36 »
The alphas in that picture look pretty gray to me...I'm no expert on colors or anything though.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 18:40:32 »
Red/Blue/Green on Cream Cheese dyesub on DCS would be cool. Maybe an option for blank mods in the legend color. Would look best with small legends, though, like on Filco caps.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 18:41:09 »
The alphas in that picture look pretty gray to me...I'm no expert on colors or anything though.

Happy?


(Though I think this changes the aesthetic from gleaming to Soviet.)
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 18:49:18 »
here we gooooooo :p

blue does look better ;D

so the red, green could be an option for mods, etc?
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 18:50:46 »
Saw title, thought it said futurama, got excited  :'(

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 18:53:24 »
Saw title, thought it said futurama, got excited  :'(
Donít worry, Paul Renner is way cooler than any cartoon.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 20:31:49 »
Can we get a Wes Anderson cap with it?

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 21:42:01 »
I like the "FUN" key - more keyboards should have one :p
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 21:54:35 »
Saw title, thought it said futurama, got excited  :'(
i thought the same thing.  :-[

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 22:01:39 »
Saw title, thought it said futurama, got excited  :'(
i thought the same thing.  :-[

me to :facepalm:

and is this an interest check? there's a subforum for that  ;D

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 22:41:19 »
Not really an interest check (since I donít plan on offering full keycap sets per se), but more of a call for feedback.

The goal is to make some keycaps for one of Massdropís upcoming keyboards thatís new/fun, as an alternative to blanks.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 22:48:31 »
i like the set from the original post. looks good to me.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 22:52:19 »
The alphas in that picture look pretty gray to me...I'm no expert on colors or anything though.

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(Though I think this changes the aesthetic from gleaming to Soviet.)

Alphas are still beige/gray. Like I said, I'd really like to see a departure from the beige/monochrome colorways.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 22:55:19 »
i love monochromatic things. +1 to the OG vision. I don't even want to imagine any more color to the original. I had to work so hard to erase the blue mod updated picture from my memories.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 00:00:07 »
I'm starting to think Geekhack needs to have a group buy for some display calibrators...

Note: Needs to support multiple monitors.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 00:10:21 »
I'm starting to think Geekhack needs to have a group buy for some display calibrators...

Note: Needs to support multiple monitors.

Maybe ColorHug might be a good and hopefully inexpensive place to start, if this is to become a reality.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 00:25:14 »
Alphas are still beige/gray. Like I said, I'd really like to see a departure from the beige/monochrome colorways.
Okay. Well Iím going to give up on pleasing you on this particular project (unless you want to suggest some specifics, ideally with pictures).

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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 00:38:09 »
i love monochromatic things. +1 to the OG vision. I don't even want to imagine any more color to the original. I had to work so hard to erase the blue mod updated picture from my memories.

Okay. How about this? (Iím trying to match SPís PBT colors WFJ and BFE)

Or is that still too blue? (What color would you prefer for the mods, clacktalk?)

(Note to everyone: this is misleading if you have a light background on your geekhack theme; the light color here will look closer to white in person.)
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 01:14:56 »
Alphas are still beige/gray. Like I said, I'd really like to see a departure from the beige/monochrome colorways.
Okay. Well Iím going to give up on pleasing you on this particular project (unless you want to suggest some specifics, ideally with pictures).

I'm starting to think Geekhack needs to have a group buy for some display calibrators...

Note: Needs to support multiple monitors.

Lmao. You guys just aren't grasping what I'm trying to say. Isn't anyone else tired of having boring colors?? White on something. Monochrome. Grey Grey Grey. If we get a new font, why not shake it all up and get some new colors in here.

I'll suggest this like I do in every IC for keycap colors:



Pink on Purple.

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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 01:31:50 »
Lmao. You guys just aren't grasping what I'm trying to say. Isn't anyone else tired of having boring colors?? White on something. Monochrome. Grey Grey Grey. If we get a new font, why not shake it all up and get some new colors in here.
If the goal here was only to make some fun keycaps that people might buy separately because they like the color scheme and want to put it on some existing keyboard, Iíd be right there with you.

For this project in particular, pink and purple have the problem that they donít really fit in on lots of peopleís desks.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 01:43:46 »


Okay. How about this? (Iím trying to match SPís PBT colors WFJ and BFE)
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Or is that still too blue? (What color would you prefer for the mods, clacktalk?)

(Note to everyone: this is misleading if you have a light background on your geekhack theme; the light color here will look closer to white in person.)

I can definitely stand behind this. Maybe more than the first proposed. The legends as well as the colors feel so clean/crisp, just a bit like a pristine scifi future filled with chrome hahaha. Am I reaching with that imagery?

I can see where CPTBadAss is coming from, but my personal preference wants nothing to do with vibrant colors. Maybe one day.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 02:17:15 »
I keep misreading the title and expecting to find busty women with large penises in this thread.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #26 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 03:25:56 »
I can definitely stand behind this. Maybe more than the first proposed. The legends as well as the colors feel so clean/crisp, just a bit like a pristine scifi future filled with chrome hahaha. Am I reaching with that imagery?
Yup, thatís the idea: chrome and robots and flying cars.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 21:52:33 »
I've never felt as close to a keyset as I have with this potential one. How do you want me to support your endeavor?
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #28 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 22:08:18 »
I still think we need some Wes Andersen inspired mods if you do a Futura font.

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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 22:16:33 »
Maybe it could ship with 2 blank 1.5x1 keys, 2 globe 1.5x1 keys, and 2 wes anderson themed 1.5x1 keys, and then people could pick which to use.

What would Wes Anderson themed keycaps have on them? A steve zissou beanie and glock? Owen Wilson, Jason Schwartzman, and Bill Murrayís faces?

Are you willing to design some WA caps for us? :)
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #30 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 22:28:02 »
There are so many awesome things that it could be.  You could do binoculars and compass (Moonrise Kingdom), a beanie and beard or submarine (Life Aquatic), Glock and bottle rocket (Bottle Rocket, of course), beret/glasses/go kart/epee/swiss army knife/etc (Rushmore), cigarette and tennis racquet (Royal Tenenbaums), luggage and train car (The Darjeeling Limited), and so on.

Or, just to be Wes Anderson style hipster, a pack of cigarettes and typewriter would probably do it.

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« Reply #31 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 22:45:49 »
I've never felt as close to a keyset as I have with this potential one. How do you want me to support your endeavor?

Wow. Well, Massdrop, as you may know (there was a brief talk about this at KeyCon), is trying to build a bunch of new keyboards, to see if we (we = a handful of us who donít work for MD but are helping them on design) can iterate quickly and try new and interesting things.

Anyway, the plan is to start with a 60% keyboard, and so they put up a poll about possible 60% keyboard layouts (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/60-keyboard-layouts) which was dramatically won by the hypothetical ďHHKB 3Ē layout (which doesnít currently exist in any keyboard). Since part of the point is to prove that itís possible to make any layout that the community wants to see made, the first keyboard will probably be that layout.

No keycap sets currently target an MX or Matias switch keyboard with a layout like that, so the easy obvious thing is to just sell these keyboards with blank keycaps. But as a more exciting alternative, we wanted to make some nice looking legends. Since thereís just a single design (or blanks), take it or leave it, it should hopefully be possible to print enough of these to hit some reasonable scale to keep per-unit price down. Easy option would be to just do lasered caps, but depending on the price I think dye-subs should also be in the realm of possibility.

No promises yet, since the precise manufacturing costs have to be figured out, and there are some other parts of the keyboard design to finish still (luckily for me thatís someone elseís responsibility). But Iím hoping that dye-sub caps with this design (or something equally cool; still open to suggestions) will be available for a small 60%-ish keyboard with either MX or Matias switches, and fully programmable firmware. Fingers crossed.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 09 August 2014, 23:03:33 »
I'll keep all my fingers crossed haha
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:48:48 »
Badass. I'd definitely buy it in a darker color.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 10 August 2014, 21:17:50 »
What are those keyboards you were talking about?

And, BTW, I liked the original design.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 01:50:27 »
I noticed this IC: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61661.0

Perhaps a collaboration is in order?
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 01:54:03 »
Well, they have a fairly different purpose, so I donít really think thereís too much overlap (again, the plan with these keycaps isnít to be useful for any generic keyboard, but only to fill in one particular board). Iíd be happy to spend a few minutes helping them with the vectors for futura legends though.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 12 August 2014, 18:40:15 »
Really beautiful
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 02:51:39 »
Your last mockup is really nice, jacobulus. Brings to mind Bioshock and Metropolis. I'd love to have a set of caps like that on my 60%. Would you consider starting a GB later for these in "normal" layouts? Perhaps a little while after the main project? Very interested in the "HHKB3" layout board project, too, though. Would be awesome to have a programmable MX board with that layout and these caps!

I think IMSTO can do dyesubs on sets for a "reasonable" price. IvanIvanovich is getting him to do the dyesub on the Round 3 black on black sets.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 04:37:34 »
Jacobolus, if you can make it work great with the Smallfry 40, or have an option to have enough blanks/small modifiers to use with it, I would be totally down :)

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 01:31:02 »
Your last mockup is really nice, jacobulus. [sic]
Thanks! :)

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I'd love to have a set of caps like that on my 60%. Would you consider starting a GB later for these in "normal" layouts? Perhaps a little while after the main project?
I donít want to organize it, but Iíd be happy to put a tiny bit of design work in, and share what I've done so far with anyone who wanted to pick up the ball.

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Very interested in the "HHKB3" layout board project, too, though. Would be awesome to have a programmable MX board with that layout and these caps!
It should hopefully be happening soon, but no promises. Also Alps, hopefully. (I think SP needs a couple months still before theyíre ready to do dye-sub Alps sets though.)

Jacobolus, if you can make it work great with the Smallfry 40, or have an option to have enough blanks/small modifiers to use with it, I would be totally down :)
Once again, I donít want to organize it, but Iím happy to help a bit with design. :-)
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 01:35:35 »
Minor alignment tweaks:

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 29 August 2014, 14:53:53 »
More slight tweaks:

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 29 August 2014, 16:19:01 »
might wanna move this thread to interest check forum maybe
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 29 August 2014, 16:50:49 »
Itís not an interest check really. Which I explained above.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs (DCS)?
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 29 August 2014, 17:22:13 »
feels like the white hhkb keyset

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs?
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 22 October 2014, 13:12:13 »
Okay, these are now up:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-dye-sublimated-keycap-set?mode=guest_open

Unfortunately, DSA not DCS, and MX only, no Alps.

In general designed to go with the Infinity keyboard:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64198
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-keyboard-kit?mode=guest_open

But thereís a compatibility set to work with standard 60% ANSI boards.




Above, ďhackerĒ and ďstandardĒ layouts; top 4 rows are the same for each.

Below, on the left, bottom row and compatibility kits. On the right, a couple of the layouts supported with the compatibility kit.

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs?
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 02:43:41 »
Okay, these are now up:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-dye-sublimated-keycap-set?mode=guest_open

Unfortunately, DSA not DCS, and MX only, no Alps.

In general designed to go with the Infinity keyboard:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64198
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-keyboard-kit?mode=guest_open

But thereís a compatibility set to work with standard 60% ANSI boards.

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Above, ďhackerĒ and ďstandardĒ layouts; top 4 rows are the same for each.

Below, on the left, bottom row and compatibility kits. On the right, a couple of the layouts supported with the compatibility kit.
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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs?
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 03:43:42 »
Saw title, thought it said futurama, got excited  :'(

Did the same thing.
eh o well

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Re: how would folks feel about Futura dye-subs?
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 23 October 2014, 03:58:07 »
One question, is there any homing on the F and J? Because this was designed with the Infinity in mind and I was thinking of totally goofing around with the layouts on that, so homing would not be necessary for me.