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https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-keyboard-kit?mode=guest_open

Haata announced at Keycon West that he was creating a keyboard in collaboration with Massdrop. It seems like it's now out! I think it's interesting to see that there is a new custom keyboard out and produced by one of the members on this forum.

The board is called the Infinity Keyboard and it supports MX and Alps. And it looks like it's using this chip.

...I'm also interested in the fact that apparently they have SP caps that fit Alps stems and they have them for the modifiers?
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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:17:15 »
Well that is definitely interesting.

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:19:40 »
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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:20:55 »
That layout is killing it.  I've been looking for a new DIY project recently and I've been really wanting a 60% MX with an all 1x top row.

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[Massdrop] Infinity (hhkb3 style) keyboard kit ft. MX & ALPs
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:27:17 »
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-keyboard-kit


Designed by out very own HaaTa, check it out!


edit: CPTBadAss beat me too it.
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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:27:54 »
This looks really cool, is the PCB by any chance compatible with Poker cases?
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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:29:29 »
This looks really cool, is the PCB by any chance compatible with Poker cases?

Yeah, I'm curious about this as well.  The holes for standoffs/screws aren't necessary for the bent case, right?  I'd love to stuff one of these into a Hammer or Duck case.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:30:21 »
This looks really cool, is the PCB by any chance compatible with Poker cases?

I think it'll fit a poker case but you'd have to have a plate because it doesn't support PCB mount stabs.

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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:31:15 »
I crossed my fingers and thought, "Hall Effect", maybe?
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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:31:55 »
This looks really cool, is the PCB by any chance compatible with Poker cases?

I think it'll fit a poker case but you'd have to have a plate because it doesn't support PCB mount stabs.
oh okay cool, thanks for the info Ray! :)
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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:32:11 »
Looks good, shame we can get this before the gh60...
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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:32:18 »
CPT! FFS, you didn't put infinity in the title >_<

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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:32:19 »
This looks really cool, is the PCB by any chance compatible with Poker cases?

I think it'll fit a poker case but you'd have to have a plate because it doesn't support PCB mount stabs.

Isn't there an extra row of keys? There's that row of 1x switches above the 1-0 stripe/row. I don't think it will fit in a Poker case.

Nope, apparently I'm looking at the wrong picture. Ignore this comment :(.
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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:35:04 »
5 rows is standard, no?

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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:35:36 »
This looks really cool, is the PCB by any chance compatible with Poker cases?

I think it'll fit a poker case but you'd have to have a plate because it doesn't support PCB mount stabs.

Isn't there an extra row of keys? There's that row of 1x switches above the 1-0 stripe/row. I don't think it will fit in a Poker case.
This definitely isn't a 70% if that is what you are getting at.  It seems to take up the same space a poker would use but I don't know the size of the PCB. 
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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:36:05 »
I'm an idiot and had multiple tabs opened. Mixed two pictures. Apologies. That does look like a standard 60% layout.

And lol jwaz, I'm bad at making topics.

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Re: 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:37:20 »
I just checked out the discussion section, seems Matt3o says it will fit, but as Ray noted, you'll need to source a plate as it doesn't subbort pcb mount stabilizers.
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Re: Infinity: A 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:37:57 »
Thanks FlyersFan1. Like I said, I'm apparently full of misunderstanding today :(. Carry on everyone :D

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:40:07 »
Thanks FlyersFan1. Like I said, I'm apparently full of misunderstanding today :(. Carry on everyone :D
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Re: Infinity: A 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:48:31 »
shame the case dosent have notches for stem removal. And that you cant use it in a regular 60% without a custom plate. though if it hits the $100 price tag, I may pick one up.

( also note the keycaps for it are an additional $35 )

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Re: Infinity: A 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:49:11 »
This looks really cool, is the PCB by any chance compatible with Poker cases?

I think it'll fit a poker case but you'd have to have a plate because it doesn't support PCB mount stabs.

Problem with that is that Poker cases are tray-style cases that rely upon holes in the PCB for mounting to standoffs in the case, even when using plates. So, even with a Poker-style plate for the PCB, there is still no way to mount the PCB in a Poker case or similar. :(

Nvm, I just saw that the PCB does have mounting holes for Poker cases.
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Re: Infinity: A 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:54:55 »
This looks really cool, is the PCB by any chance compatible with Poker cases?

I think it'll fit a poker case but you'd have to have a plate because it doesn't support PCB mount stabs.

Problem with that is that Poker cases are tray-style cases that rely upon holes in the PCB for mounting to standoffs in the case, even when using plates. So, even with a Poker-style plate for the PCB, there is still no way to mount the PCB in a Poker case or similar. :(

Nvm, I just saw that the PCB does have mounting holes for Poker cases.

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Re: Infinity: A 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:56:26 »
The PCB very nice looks matrix schematic ;D
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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:57:17 »
Even at the lowest price ($100), that's still too much IMO for just a PCB and bent plate. For that price, switches should be included. :(
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Re: Infinity: A 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:59:08 »
PCB was designed to fit in a poker case.
A poker plate was also designed but not released as part of the drop. Though if there's demand, we can start another drop for a poker version.
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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 11:59:19 »
switches are included, ( you can get it without and save $30 ) keycaps are extra though.

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 12:01:58 »
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Included

  • Dual Cherry MX / Matias silk screened printer circuit board
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I don't see switches listed there...

Edit: Okay, I see they are an option when going through the checkout process. Confusing.] :(
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Included

  • Dual Cherry MX / Matias silk screened printer circuit board
  • Stainless steel bent metal case plate
  • Option to add Black, Blank PBT keycaps in the DSA Profile from Signature Plastics for additional cost
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I don't see switches listed there...

Switches are included, matias switches -$10 and no switches -$30.

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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 12:36:18 »
I crossed my fingers and thought, "Hall Effect", maybe?
Not yet. Once I get this PCB designed, I'll start work on that.

Hall effect sensors require a PCB, sadly.
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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 12:42:14 »
I definitely will be getting this with Clears.
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 12:51:03 »
finally a keyboard with 6x space bottom row :thumb:


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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 12:54:32 »
but, no LED :(
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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:01:07 »
finally a keyboard with 6x space bottom row :thumb:


but, no LED :(
If you go with the Matias switches just run a EL wire back and forth between the plate and PCB.

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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 14:33:58 »
The missing plate sucks but u am very interested and an angle grinder on a dremel may solve that.
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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 14:35:23 »
The missing plate sucks but u am very interested and an angle grinder on a dremel may solve that.

It would be easier to cut a small hole in a poker case for the edges of the provided plate/case.

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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 15:02:20 »
So is there software for creating custom layouts.
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Re: Infinity: A 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 15:38:59 »
This looks quite enticing.

Naive question: I assume that "compatible with Matias/Alps or Cherry keycaps" only refers to the initial choice of switches, correct? That is, the stems are not going to be dual-compatible, or there is not going to be some sort of adapter to enable dual keycap compatibility -- correct?

There are obviously many keycap sets available for Cherry switches, but what about Matias/Alps? Are Alps keycaps available only through SP and harvesting them from Alps keyboards? Can you get PBT keycaps for Matias/Alps switches?

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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 15:40:42 »
This looks quite enticing.

Naive question: I assume that "compatible with Matias/Alps or Cherry keycaps" only refers to the initial choice of switches, correct? That is, the stems are not going to be dual-compatible, or there is not going to be some sort of adapter to enable dual keycap compatibility -- correct?

There are obviously many keycap sets available for Cherry switches, but what about Matias/Alps? Are Alps keycaps available only through SP and harvesting them from Alps keyboards? Can you get PBT keycaps for Matias/Alps switches?

You are going to get one or the other not both on switches, but the PCB supports both types of switches as far as pinout goes.

The ALPS caps massdrop is selling with the kit are from SP since they are DSA caps and they are PBT.
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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 15:56:11 »
Are Alps keycaps available only through SP and harvesting them from Alps keyboards? Can you get PBT keycaps for Matias/Alps switches?

Currently you'll need to harvest Alps caps from old Alps keyboards such as an AEK II or Wang 724. Matias is planning on releasing PBT and ABS caps soonTM so hopefully we'll see more sets and variety since we can source most caps from SP and mods from Matias. I'm not sure where the spacebars for this board are coming from though. Perhaps Tai Hao? They have molding to do Alps but their MOQ is something very high.

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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 15:56:14 »
Went in @ $99 with a standard layout w/clears, this will be interesting as i am quite brutal with a soldering iron  :-X, will be a fun little project. Always wanted an mx board with 1x1 backspace and a pure layout
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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:10:43 »
By the way, the plan, I believe, is to offer up cylindrical (DCS) mono-legend Futura dye-subs, like:


I think it might take a few months for SP to have capacity to produce those, but we’ll see.

The goal is to get those for both Alps and MX.

Then again, I’m not really in the loop on discussions with SP, so I don’t know for sure what’s going to happen.
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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:14:42 »
Went in @ $99 with a standard layout w/clears, this will be interesting as i am quite brutal with a soldering iron  :-X, will be a fun little project. Always wanted an mx board with 1x1 backspace and a pure layout

This is going to end up being my first DIY keyboard project.  However I'm going to see if I can find a local GeekHacker who can watch over my shoulder to make sure I won't screw it up.

Either it will be a horrific tragedy or I will become so addicted I'll never buy a preassembled keyboard again.

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« Reply #44 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:15:20 »
Are Alps keycaps available only through SP and harvesting them from Alps keyboards? Can you get PBT keycaps for Matias/Alps switches?

Currently you'll need to harvest Alps caps from old Alps keyboards such as an AEK II or Wang 724. Matias is planning on releasing PBT and ABS caps soonTM so hopefully we'll see more sets and variety since we can source most caps from SP and mods from Matias. I'm not sure where the spacebars for this board are coming from though. Perhaps Tai Hao? They have molding to do Alps but their MOQ is something very high.
I am not very familiar with the Alps/Matias world except to know that I like the feel of Matias switches better than any Cherry mx switch I have tried (blue, brown, vintage black, clear, and green).

Would I be more likely to find Alps-compatible keycaps with the standard layout rather than the hacker layout? I suppose this depends upon whether I would be getting caps from vintage Alps boards or from those that Matias might be releasing.

Spacebars are often a problem. For the 6.00x and 6.25x Alps spacebars, what will the spacing be for the spacebar stems?

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« Reply #45 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:21:25 »
pointing at configuration does not answer if layouts are user customizable,  how many layers or the level of macro support for the controller.   

pointing at a blank configuration suggests there may be little software support for this chip.   More information please.

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Re: Infinity: A 60% Keyboard Designed by Haata now Available on Massdrop!
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:22:27 »
I am not very familiar with the Alps/Matias world except to know that I like the feel of Matias switches better than any Cherry mx switch I have tried (blue, brown, vintage black, clear, and green).

Would I be more likely to find Alps-compatible keycaps with the standard layout rather than the hacker layout? I suppose this depends upon whether I would be getting caps from vintage Alps boards or from those that Matias might be releasing.

Spacebars are often a problem. For the 6.00x and 6.25x Alps spacebars, what will the spacing be for the spacebar stems?

I don't know what the hacker layout is that you're referring to. There is also no standard ANSI layout unfortunately. Alps has a maddeningly confusing keycap scheme which is why Matias' caps coming out is a big deal. We'll finally be able to get a standard ANSI layout setup for modern Alps customs. I have no idea what spacing of the stems will be. I honestly didn't know even that SP had Alps spacebars if that is where Massdrop is getting their spacebars from.

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« Reply #47 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:23:11 »
On the Alps versions, everyone should note that at the moment keycaps harvested from old Alps boards mostly won’t work for stabilized keys, because the stabilizers are different.

(Certain old Alps-mount-switch boards, mainly ones with cheap printed ABS keycaps, such as old Chicony boards, will work with Costar-style stabilizers. But those tend to have bigass enter keys, and the cheap thin ABS sucks, so that’s also not a great solution. All the nice PBT or thick doubleshot Alps caps I’ve seen use standard Alps-style stabilizers.)
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« Reply #48 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:24:31 »
Where are those modifiers/spacebars coming from jacoblous and what stabilizers are they using? Is it the Costar stabilizers?

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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 15 October 2014, 16:28:12 »
Yep, costar stabilizers. SP’s Alps keycaps use Alps mounts for the switches and MX cruciforms at standard MX spacing for the stabilizer inserts.

I’m not precisely sure what shapes of spacebars they are capable of doing.

I’m hoping that later versions of keyboards like this can use Matias’s new stabilizers, which should be compatible with both standard Alps-style and Costar-style stabilizer keycap mounts. Again though, we'll see how things go.
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