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« Reply #200 on: Sat, 12 December 2009, 19:17:09 »
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« Reply #201 on: Sun, 13 December 2009, 14:55:21 »
Got the 'yellowing special' as a switch donor for my red calculator. Thanks for the tip.
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« Reply #202 on: Mon, 14 December 2009, 13:25:01 »
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Lowpoly,  When you open up your Alpsulator please post tips on how you did it.  I halfheartedly tried with mine and it didn't budge.
Remove the two screws under the feet near the display. Then remove all keycaps. The plastic switch holder plate is clipped into the outer shell with five clips. Two clips in the M+ row, three clilps in the '0' row (two at the sides, one at the bottom in the middle).

I used a watchmaker's screwdriver to get between the outer shell and the plate, then lift the plate up a bit. After 'losening' all clips start lifting the plate  out at the bottom using the USB port as a pivot, then pull out.
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« Reply #203 on: Mon, 14 December 2009, 19:58:49 »
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Got the 'yellowing special' as a switch donor for my red calculator. Thanks for the tip.

Now let's hope it actually is a FK-2001 (same goes for mine). Sure looks like one though. (They also had these black Fujitsus that looked very similar to Peerless boards but were standard rubber domes...)
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« Reply #204 on: Thu, 17 December 2009, 07:45:57 »
The 10x G80-1800s have been lowered in price:

Standard version €25 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130340249185&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Version with GMK controller (I think) and hole in top, €24 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130345566185&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

And here is the G80-5000 again:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170420864315
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« Reply #205 on: Thu, 17 December 2009, 08:02:55 »
Damnit!  Only if those 1800's were ANSI...
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« Reply #206 on: Thu, 17 December 2009, 08:26:06 »
Quote from: lowpoly;143207
Version with GMK controller (I think) and hole in top, €24 shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130345566185&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


That's 24 Euros for 1020 Cherry MX blacks, or ~2.3 cents per key...
Sounds cheap, but what could we do with so many keys? :)
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« Reply #207 on: Thu, 17 December 2009, 08:27:07 »
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That's 24 Euros for 1020 Cherry MX blacks, or ~2.3 cents per key...
Sounds cheap, but what could we do with so many keys? :)

Swap them for browns and enjoy.
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« Reply #208 on: Thu, 17 December 2009, 08:27:52 »
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Swap them for browns and enjoy.


That would still leave me with 1020 blacks.
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« Reply #209 on: Thu, 17 December 2009, 08:30:31 »
Do a Nostromo n52 mod?  Like 100 of them?
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« Reply #210 on: Thu, 17 December 2009, 08:37:15 »
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That's 24 Euros for 1020 Cherry MX blacks, or ~2.3 cents per key...
Sounds cheap, but what could we do with so many keys? :)

Even worse, blacks rarely ever go bad, so there wouldn't be much point in keeping them for spares either. I don't know a PC pool in dire need of decent boards either.
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« Reply #211 on: Thu, 17 December 2009, 08:48:36 »
I would mod them to another type of switch and resell some of them.  The problem, then, is sourcing switches for relatively cheap.  The ones from Datacal are about $1 a piece.
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« Reply #212 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 07:02:10 »
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Now let's hope it actually is a FK-2001 (same goes for mine). Sure looks like one though. (They also had these black Fujitsus that looked very similar to Peerless boards but were standard rubber domes...)

It came in today. Blue Alps, at least blue stems. Single shot keycaps. It also has a switch where you can swap Ctrl and CapsLock, in addition to the XT/AT switch.
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« Reply #213 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 11:44:36 »
I opened one, they are complicated.
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« Reply #214 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 19:38:04 »
Mine was supposed to be shipped on Monday, so I guess it'll take until the 23rd or even 24th.


Here's a Philips keyboard, looks very IBM-ish but I'd guess it's a clone. Keytronic perhaps?
Unspecified vintage 3000 series Cherry, pickup near FFM only
G80-3000LQCEU-0
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« Reply #215 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 14:19:17 »
On the pics seen here, the spring was slightly different... from what litttle I know about springs, I judged that the ones in blues would be a bit heavier. Given the move towards lower-force switches in general, that makes sense.
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« Reply #216 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 14:36:38 »
Quote from: lowpoly;143207

And here is the G80-5000 again:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170420864315

Because I've to replace my broken Fujitsu KBPC-E I'm highly interested.
Do you know if a HAADE has brown switches like your Ergo?
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« Reply #217 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 14:55:22 »
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Because I've to replace my broken Fujitsu KBPC-E I'm highly interested.
Do you know if a HAADE has brown switches like your Ergo?

G80-5000s always had browns, AFAIK. Be aware that they can become quite spendy, less than 200 is almost bargain basement category. Some have gone for 400+ but it seems at least part of these soon reappeared.
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« Reply #218 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 15:08:45 »
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G80-5000s always had browns,

Good to know.
Quote from: keyb_gr;144520
Be aware that they can become quite spendy, less than 200 is almost bargain basement category. Some have gone for 400+ but it seems at least part of these soon reappeared.

OK. 200 EUR is to much for me. I will see.
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« Reply #219 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 15:12:30 »
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G80-5000s always had browns, AFAIK. Be aware that they can become quite spendy, less than 200 is almost bargain basement category. Some have gone for 400+ but it seems at least part of these soon reappeared.


Both reappeared, this one is one of them. Or I missed one.
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« Reply #220 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 16:07:50 »
This one went for 300 something, I think twice. Then for 89 but was relisted for 99 shortly after and didn't sell since then.
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« Reply #221 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 16:49:29 »
The one with US-Layout[1] that went for 200¤ doesn't appear to have been
relisted yet...

I actually spent some thoughts on bidding on the one that ran out with
no bids, but declined after a little experiment: I simulated a split
board using two G84-4100's next to each other.

At first, typing with the hands that far apart was horribly confusing.
The error rate remained annoyingly high for quite some time.  After half
an hour the dizziness waned, and I actually reached my humble 80 wpm.
When switching back to my MX11800 I was shocked that I could no longer
type on it without a scary high error rate.  I again needed half an hour
for it to get down to normal.

I decided not to mess with my motor neurons like this again until I
develop RSI and have no other options.

Footnotes:
[1]  http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320452409463
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« Reply #222 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 17:41:50 »
That's basically the same reason why I wouldn't want to switch to any layout radically different from QWERTZ - if you only ever type on your own boards, fine, but if you ever have to use any other, "normal" ones you're screwed. I'll be sticking to regular boards with a slightly tweaked QWERTZ layout plus aiming for a healthy wrist position for the time being.
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« Reply #224 on: Fri, 25 December 2009, 22:42:32 »
I know it's been discussed before, but what kind of switch did Commodore use? I had a 64 and then a 128 when I was a kid. I vaguely remember a linear feel, but I wasn't really paying attention since I was a kid at the time.
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« Reply #225 on: Sat, 26 December 2009, 17:09:48 »
10x G80-1800 now for Eur 19,- shipped:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130340249185&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Goes back to Eur 22,- in "one day".

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I know it's been discussed before, but what kind of switch did Commodore use? I had a 64 and then a 128 when I was a kid. I vaguely remember a linear feel, but I wasn't really paying attention since I was a kid at the time.


My old C64 has a Mitsumi made keyboard with linear switches. Springs are directly under the keycaps. Unfortunately, conductive rubber on pcb after that.
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« Reply #226 on: Mon, 28 December 2009, 14:14:54 »
bsvP585hUO2Y6 wrote on 5956 September 1993:

> The one with US-Layout[1] that went for 200 EUR doesn't appear to have
> been relisted yet...

Well, it just reappeared too...

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320468206909

I wonder if there is some sort of curse on G80-5000s.
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« Reply #227 on: Mon, 28 December 2009, 14:20:33 »
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bsvP585hUO2Y6 wrote on 5956 September 1993:

> The one with US-Layout[1] that went for 200 EUR doesn't appear to have
> been relisted yet...

Well, it just reappeared too...

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320468206909

I wonder if there is some sort of curse on G80-5000s.


Versand innerhalb Deutschlands, nicht ins Ausland. Bitte diesmal nur ernstgemeinte Angebote.

Guess Nigeria won this one again too.
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« Reply #228 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 14:43:46 »
Who of you did just outbid me on that Endurapro? :mmph:
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« Reply #229 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 15:16:44 »
I had a bid going for up to 35 bucks on the Endurapro, however did not win it. Guess someone else here did. Same for the G80-3000 from the same guy, did not win that either.
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« Reply #230 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 15:39:16 »
The LQCEU? That went pretty high, yep. Was just watching it.

So, what else do we have?

This auction for a Vobis (Highscreen) branded vintage G81?-3000 wins the prize for the most ridiculously large font. The unreadable overlapping black mess is about 2 screens high and 3 wide here.
And another one.

One big old yellowed 102-key Dell (maybe AT102D, or rubber dome?) and a Packard Bell / BTC rubber dome

An Acer 6312-HW in greenish grey, for that ultimate "Alps gone wrong" feel :p

This should be one of the venerable classic Dell QuietKey rubber domes

ESCOM "Fujitsu inside" board - either that is some Fujitsu Peerless goodness or a bog standard rubber dome like the black one they else sold; one would need to check (seems it's the latter)

A mid-90s Keytronic rubber dome, these seem to be quite decent (also OEM'd)

The old Philips IBM-lookalike is still in, too...

G81-8308

keyboard from NEC 486 - that's a funny-looking one, any clue what it might be?

to be continued...
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« Reply #231 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 15:56:27 »
Came out 2nd with a limit of €46 for the Endurapro. Put only a few bucks on the G80 with clears, I can get one of those anytime after all.
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« Reply #232 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 16:11:55 »
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Came out 2nd with a limit of €46 for the Endurapro. Put only a few bucks on the G80 with clears, I can get one of those anytime after all.


A friend take both of them. The cherry comes to me and the claky claka is for him. He loves the Loudness of a buckling spring Keyboard. He is a old scool coder. (cobol , assembler, etc)
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« Reply #233 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 16:27:25 »
Thanks keyb_ger, for keeping us updated bout ebay.de.  I don't have the time to follow new keyboard auctions myself, so your service is very much appreciated :)
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« Reply #234 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 16:31:27 »
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« Reply #235 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 16:53:16 »
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Another cherry mx 3000??? on ebay.de
New-style 3000 case + bicolor keys = most likely a G81-3000.
Those aren't too interesting even for me... I mean, if I really wanted to buy a G81 to check it out and enjoy the unmatched dead octopus feel, I'd get one of the old (Highscreen) models with nice dye sublimated lettering. They are built better, too. Screw Windows keys.
(Maybe I should weed out my collection of G81s a little. I have just too many.)

These LSMDEs should go well.

IBMs are not on my radar any more. At one time in the late '90s they also had some reportedly really decent rubber domes that appear once in a while, can't remember which series (a better one IIRC). Maybe one like this.

The DESKO is a Cherry OEM, no doubt. I sighted another a few months ago, that one was a G81.

The board with the "serial" connector (which is just a DIN) seems to be a slightly yellowed Taiwanese rubber dome.
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« Reply #236 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 17:06:18 »
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New-style 3000 case + bicolor keys = most likely a G81-3000. .

this must be a g80-3000

1. Logo to the left side
2. PS2
3.sharp edge bottom
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« Reply #237 on: Wed, 30 December 2009, 17:18:38 »
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this must be a g80-3000

1. Logo to the left side
2. PS2
3.sharp edge bottom
AFAIK only G81s were available with Cherry logo printed on as a standard option, and G80s used old-style 3000 cases far longer than G81s did. In fact, those made in the Czech factory do to this day. The board in this auction has a new-style case (narrow-spaced LEDs, no extra LED label). The oldest G81 with a new-style case that I've seen was from 1998 (I own it now). For the G80 these were apparently not used before the color scheme change in 2002.
I've collected things like that in the "Dating Cherry keyboards" wiki.
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« Reply #238 on: Thu, 31 December 2009, 00:22:06 »
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AFAIK only G81s were available with Cherry logo printed on as a standard option, and G80s used old-style 3000 cases far longer than G81s did. In fact, those made in the Czech factory do to this day. The board in this auction has a new-style case (narrow-spaced LEDs, no extra LED label). The oldest G81 with a new-style case that I've seen was from 1998 (I own it now). For the G80 these were apparently not used before the color scheme change in 2002.
I've collected things like that in the "Dating Cherry keyboards" wiki.


Yeah, I actually wonder why the Czech made ones still have old cases. Overstock? They only have those molds?

Anyway, I'm too skeptic now on everything cherry - no more risk purchases for me. After a G86 with MX switches and a G81-1000 made in 2002 everything seems possible!
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« Reply #239 on: Thu, 31 December 2009, 07:10:11 »
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Yeah, I actually wonder why the Czech made ones still have old cases. Overstock? They only have those molds?

Anyway, I'm too skeptic now on everything cherry - no more risk purchases for me. After a G86 with MX switches and a G81-1000 made in 2002 everything seems possible!


Exactly!!!

I have a cherry with mx blues and it looks exact like this one Cherry mx 3000?????
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« Reply #240 on: Thu, 31 December 2009, 14:15:19 »
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Yeah, I actually wonder why the Czech made ones still have old cases. Overstock? They only have those molds?

My theory is they inherited all the molds, PCB templates and stuff. Never change a running system.
Quote from: sixty;146740
Anyway, I'm too skeptic now on everything cherry - no more risk purchases for me. After a G86 with MX switches and a G81-1000 made in 2002 everything seems possible!

That was special order stuff, not run-of-the-mill boards. No need to panic.
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Exactly!!!

I have a cherry with mx blues and it looks exact like this one Cherry mx 3000?????

With ALL of:
* a beige new-style case
* two-tone key set
* Cherry logo on top left
?
Then I'd be really interested in the serial number.
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« Reply #241 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 04:19:21 »
Can anybody identify this (allegedly Cherry) fossil?

Sadly one key cap is missing, but otherwise it looks kinda hot. Switch stem is black, I've no clue when Cherry started using the current color code though.
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« Reply #242 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 05:27:52 »
Best bet is to ask seller.
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« Reply #243 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 06:00:58 »
Quote from: Mental Hobbit;148083
Can anybody identify this (allegedly Cherry) fossil?

Sadly one key cap is missing, but otherwise it looks kinda hot. Switch stem is black, I've no clue when Cherry started using the current color code though.

This one should use the old short travel switches, look here:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=5418&highlight=cherry+0349

Also, I'm pretty sure this is an XT 'board.

I might bid on this if you're not interested anymore.

Edit: Doesn't look like the Cherry 'board I had in mind.
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« Reply #244 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 06:24:37 »
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I might bid on this if you're not interested anymore.

Go ahead, I'm rather curious than interested. Just post a review if you get it. :)
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« Reply #245 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 07:27:38 »
Thanks. Those go usually for €€€, so we'll see.

Unrelated, here is a white HHKB lite 2:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180452858641
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« Reply #246 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 07:35:07 »
Quote from: lowpoly;148091
This one should use the old short travel switches, look here:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=5418&highlight=cherry+0349

Also, I'm pretty sure this is an XT 'board.



Hmm... I think it's a Dah Yang ( Unitek ) board with MX Blacks.
Later version, K-151L, has separated LEDs block.  

Also, I think it's an AT/XT switchable board like K-151L.
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« Reply #247 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 08:30:34 »
Quote from: sandy55;148112
Hmm... I think it's a Dah Yang ( Unitek ) board with MX Blacks.
Later version, K-151L, has separated LEDs block.
 
Also, I think it's an AT/XT switchable board like K-151L.

BTW, in Sandy's link above, you can see a real Cherry white (pic courtesy of Sandy55):
 

 
Vs. the Cherry Clear (pic courtesy of ripster):
 

 
The difference is subtle but noticable.
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« Reply #248 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 09:26:02 »
Quote from: sandy55;148112
Hmm... I think it's a Dah Yang ( Unitek ) board with MX Blacks.
Later version, K-151L, has separated LEDs block.  

Also, I think it's an AT/XT switchable board like K-151L.

I must have still been sleeping when looking at that auction pic. :-( Looks totally different than the old Cherry I was thinking of. Also looks like an AT layout.
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« Reply #249 on: Tue, 05 January 2010, 17:28:52 »
Quote from: itlnstln;148120
BTW, in Sandy's link above, you can see a real Cherry white (pic courtesy of Sandy55):
 
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Sorry for a bad picture with too strong flashing light.
It's actually Gray but not white ( or clear ) with a stronger spring for a Space key.
Actually it look like this one ( from another board ).

I know what is "Clear". I do have a MX1800 and a 8xxx board with those switches.   but ...I don't like strong tactile feel of MX Whites.
Still can't find any good reason ( for me ) of *strong* tactile feel.
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