eBay Germany discussion (was: [.de] A few Cherry finds)

[sandy55]

Sandy, Chloe has in the Cherry Wiki these two switches.

 These I believe are different from the Clear

Have you ever tried the "white" ones (MX1A-A) and this mysterious Clicky one?

white: click
I suppose she referred this one. see part II .   Unusual white ( or clear, whatever ) but clicky Cherry MX  not a poor horrible knock-off found in newer chicony KB-5191.
I think this one is not suitable to be listed in wiki as clicky MX.

White: tactile, 80cN, MX1A-A *
Not sure about this one.  

Clear: soft tactile, 55cN, MX1A-C
This one is usual soft tactile switch which you call *Clear*. and Cherry also call it clear too. To me it's not *soft* but just *hard*.  
If we follow to color definition by Cherry, *Clear* may be appropriate to call soft tactile.    

Maybe I have to use *Clear* iso  *White* for these switches.  you may be sensitive about color of keystem of MX as like as I am about that of ALPS.

[Mental Hobbit]

Just bought my first Model M, 'buy now'-price 20€. :cheer2:

[itlnstln]

Congrats.  You'll enjoy it.

[keyb_gr]

Yup, if it is as described then this was a pretty good deal.

A Model M is one of those boards that everyone should have in the collection, even if just as a reference point.

(I have two more than I actually use, obtained back when there was an opportunity to get one for like 10 or 20 DM a piece.)

[itlnstln]

That one looks pretty close to the clear.  It pretty much looks like a stiffer blue.

[keyb_gr]

Oh, incidentally, my ESCOM Focus FK2001 never made it to me. Reportedly the postal truck had a bad accident and burned out.

Poor old 'board. May it rest in pieces.

The seller has offered me a refund.

[leos]

My theory is they inherited all the molds, PCB templates and stuff. Never change a running system.

That was special order stuff, not run-of-the-mill boards. No need to panic.

With ALL of:
* a beige new-style case
* two-tone key set
* Cherry logo on top left
?
Then I'd be really interested in the serial number.

Sorry for take to long, i have to go to a friend he became this as a gift from me. yes i think it is the new style case identical to this one on ebay, NO, yes and the ser. is C 001458 o06 / G80-3000LSMDE-0 /00

[leos]

IBM MOdel M 1993

qwerty dont know what it is seriel

Mini Keyboard rubber dome

Fujitsu, Typ FKB8720, P/N N860-8726-T353

G80-1000HAD/09 MF / PC/XT / AT 02 DIN Anschluss

Ibm Model m QWERTZ

Ibm Model M 1985 qwertz

G84-4700LPBDE-0 Nummernblock PS/2 43,28

[leos]

Is it my imagination or are Model M prices rising in Europe too?

yea they are Hyped!!

Everyone thinks if he has one its automatically a Hacker.

[leos]

Very Old Keyboard ....something for our geekhacker/modder

a cheap way to take a Ibm Model M qwertz in Germany

Vintage notebook IBM PS/2 Portable (Koffer-PC) P70 386-20

for ripster

now this is a big deal 20 MB IBM PS2 HDD WD-325N P/N 90X6806 Hard Disk Drive

IBM XT 286 Typ 5150,  UR-PC. Look at the keyboard


anyone knows what kind of keyboard is this??

looks like a oem cherry (Acrobat)

old one ibm look 20min

for ripster 2

[JBert]

IBM XT 286 Typ 5150,  UR-PC. Look at the keyboard

That seems to be a terminal keyboard, probably not made by IBM.

The original keyboard was the model F XT which has only 83 keys.

[keyb_gr]

Sorry for take to long, i have to go to a friend he became this as a gift from me. yes i think it is the new style case identical to this one on ebay, NO, yes and the ser. is C 001458 o06 / G80-3000LSMDE-0 /00

This would make it a 2002 vintage Czech-made board, and therefore with old-style case I'm afraid.

Observe the LED label area closely, first of all there should be a slightly recessed light grey label the width of the num block there (easier to see if the case is a bit yellowed), and LED spacing should be about 2.5 cm (1").
New-style cases do not have an extra label, rather the indicator labels are lasered on the plastic. LED spacing is about 1.4 cm, as the circuit board underneath isn't very big.
This difference usually is plainly visible on photos.

In addition, when looking at the underside of the case, old-style cases have latches on the top only, while new-style ones have them all around the circumference. Old-style cases are much easier to open.

[keyb_gr]

Is it my imagination or are Model M prices rising in Europe too?

I don't see why they should be going down in the long run. Thankfully there seemingly still are quite a bit of them floating around.

Vintage notebook IBM PS/2 Portable (Koffer-PC) P70 386-20

It has been a while since I last checked PS/2 P70 prices, but they seemed to be going for around 100€ at the time.

anyone knows what kind of keyboard is this??

Not easy to tell, but I'd say Fujitsu FKB8720 or something like that. Those would be a bog standard rubber dome.

looks like a oem cherry (Acrobat)

Yeah, G81-3000. Hmm, if those are from a Pentium 75, that would date G81s with new-style case to 1996. This is quite possible, the 1996...1997 time span still is a bit mysterious to me in terms of G81s.

old one ibm look 20min

That one could use a Retr0bright treatment. Has a speaker, too?! Hmm, Zenith?

qwerty dont know what it is seriel

I still say it's a bog standard rubber dome with a DIN plug. Too curvy. Rather exotic anyway.

Fujitsu, Typ FKB8720, P/N N860-8726-T353

See, there we have a FKB8720.

G80-1000HAD/09 MF / PC/XT / AT 02 DIN Anschluss

Boy, that's a really old one. :geezer:
Now where's a geezer smiley when you need one...? Grmbl, so much junk in the icon list here and hardly anything useful.

[leos]

Geeky stuff from ebay.de

hocker (enter)

hocker (del)

full mechanic for modder but not very cheap

Siemens 6AV1720-0AA00 TASTATUR VDU 2000 @ 999€

84 Tasten OmniKey POS Tastatur Premium OMC-3200

10xcherry g80 1800 for 10€ + 9€ shipping

POS Keyboard Wincor Nixdorf TA85 @ 15€

Sigma ekb 80 for 1€

[keyb_gr]

Geeky stuff from ebay.de

hocker (enter)

hocker (del)

LOL. "Mind taking a seat on my Del key, please?"

It's a cool idea. An original stepped Return key would be even better though.

10xcherry g80 1800 for 10€ + 9€ shipping

At some point they'll GIVE them away.

[ibu]

10xcherry g80 1800 for 10€ + 9€ shipping

At some point they'll GIVE them away.

I will get one - without shipping. I'm living very near to the address their sold.

Thanks, leos.

[itlnstln]

At some point they'll GIVE them away.

I would have bought them if they were ANSI.  I'm suprised no one from Europe jumped on these.

[keyb_gr]

I'm suprised no one from Europe jumped on these.

Well, if I had to equip some PC pool, then I might have bought a few sets, but otherwise I'd have no idea what to do with ten of these.

[itlnstln]

Sell the others.  At that price, I would just give some away or toss any particularly ugly ones.

[bsvP585hUO2Y6]

itlnstln wrote on 5971 September 1993:

> I would have bought them if they were ANSI. I'm suprised no one from
> Europe jumped on these.

I have to admit the price is quite tempting as I don't have a black
cherry board in my collection yet.  OTOH They're used POS equipment and
probably had a rather life.  I also prefer boards without microsoft
advertisements on them, and that hole in the case above the LEDs looks
suspicious.

[leos]

apple lisa kb qwerty

DEC digital VT 420 VAX ALPHA - LK401 QWERTZ

Tastatur AT&T RS3000 qwertz

MAI Basic FOUR Terminal Modell: MM710135:400646-013 / RJ-9 / RJ-10 / RJ-22  4-polig qwertz

NMB Terminal 102 key qwertz

now thats a real keyboard

old Fujitsu Siemens keyboard qwertz

DDR PC (east germany) and Keyboard

Texas Instruments TI-99/4A

19" keyboard


commodore and amiga keyboards are not listed here

[bsvP585hUO2Y6]

leos wrote on 5971 September 1993:

> Tastatur AT&T RS3000 qwertz

Eew, RS3000 sounds like rubberdomes inside a G81-3000 case.

[keyb_gr]

DEC digital VT 420 VAX ALPHA - LK401 QWERTZ

Is the LK401 any better than the LK201? The latter has the doubtful reputation of a wrist killer.
EDIT: They're no fun to type on at least.

old Fujitsu Siemens keyboard qwertz

You do have a certain FKB8720 affinity today, don't you?

leos wrote on 5971 September 1993:

> Tastatur AT&T RS3000 qwertz

Eew, RS3000 sounds like rubberdomes inside a G81-3000 case.

Indeed, they (G83-3000) were made for a few years before being superseded by the classic G83-6104/6105. These should still have dye sublimated lettering (like the Fujitsus), but even at the time keyboard enthusiasts "would not recommend them to anyone".

Here's a 1996 G80-3000LAMDE for a change.

Here's the ?Zenith? yellowing special again

IBM RapidAccess (I think) + 2-button mouse

G84-4100P..DE, older model

Black 1999 G81-3000HBD

This Fujitsu is a FKB47xx "Peerless" board, I think

Siemens KBPC EM or similar

This is the chance for our Austrian readers to get a clicky G80-3000

[sixty]

OTOH They're used POS equipment and
probably had a rather life.  I also prefer boards without microsoft
advertisements on them, and that hole in the case above the LEDs looks
suspicious.

Actually they were of surprisingly good quality. The three I got came from a drugstore/pharmacy and therefore probably have been used with gloves on most of the time. There are like no traces of wear on mine. If you dig a few pages back in this long thread you will find some pictures that 42.tar.gz took.

[leos]

cocox oem Cherry G80-3000LAMDE Win95

Mini Tastatur IBM Model M4-1 1379595

qtronix qx 901 qwertz

cherry g80 3000 qwertz

Escom qwertz

Looks like a IBM clone

AEK 2 qwertz

cherry blue mx qwertz

dont know about this one

Now this going to be a hot thread

[sixty]

PS: I was very happy to see that no one found or had any interest in this G80-2100. Usually these go for quite a bit more. Finally I will be getting a "Cherry Key" to use for whatever reason. Should arrive here any day now.

[Mental Hobbit]

Grrr...
   
    * Büro & Schreibwaren > Bürotechnik > EDV-Zubehör > Sonstige

Most likely that's why you had little competiton. I see that thing for the first time. Expecting a detailed review with lots of pictures of course! :tongue:

[leos]

g80 3000?

Cherry G80-3000 HSMUS qwerty

[meltie]

@sixty Were did you get that Cherry key? I want one, too.

[itlnstln]

Is the Cherry G80-3000 HSMUS qwerty  Cherry Brown?

[Mnemonix]

Is the Cherry G80-3000 HSMUS qwerty  Cherry Brown?

Description says: "Betätigungs-Charakteristik: Soft-Druckpunkt"
That's "actuation characteristics: soft pressure point", which I would guess means soft, tactile--thus browns.

[meltie]

HSMUS IMHO suggests Cherry blues with double shot keycaps and US-layout. The descriptions seems copy pasted to me.  

@webwit: I did, but it wasn't clear to me at first that he got the key from that board he bought.

[itlnstln]

I going to ask someone to buy it for me if it were a BIN auction, but that's not the case.  Never mind.

[lowpoly]

Description says: "Betätigungs-Charakteristik: Soft-Druckpunkt"
That's "actuation characteristics: soft pressure point", which I would guess means soft, tactile--thus browns.

Browns are "soft tactile ergonomic" in Cherry speak, IIRC.

[Mnemonix]

I asked the seller: he says the keys are clicky.
So I was wrong.

[Mnemonix]

RULE 2 OF EBAY SELLERS - ALL keyboards are "clicky"  (they can charge more that way)

Hm, he put quotation marks around the word "clicky" in his answer...

[didjamatic]

Ebay used to forbid the use of quotes in descriptions as it lends itself to the sellers interpretation or opinion more than facts.

[Mental Hobbit]

Jeez - a NIB G80-3000LFADE/00 just went for € 31.50 plus shipping. Does that make sense? I can get that new with warranty @ 55.

[bsvP585hUO2Y6]

Mental Hobbit wrote on 5989 September 1993:

> Jeez - a NIB G80-3000LFADE/00 just went for 31.50 plus
> shipping. Does that make sense? I can get that new with warranty @ 55.

You have a source for new 101/102-key G80s?  Last time I checked, only
the G81 was availabe without Microsoft advertisement keys.

[keyb_gr]

MX11900 ANSI layout
G80-2100
Vintage G80/G81 restoration fun pack (any chance of getting that paint off? Alcohol? Other solvents?)
XT Model F
IBM 3197 terminal board, 2 keycaps missing
(Some of what should be IBM's better rubber domes, KB-7953 and KB-9910 also are out there.)

[sethstorm]

G80-2100

Now that's a (programmable) terminal keyboard that I'd not mind having aside my Model F and Model M ones.

Do those ever appear in the US, or somewhere that ships to the US w/o Filco-esque premiums?  It'd be a nice breather from all the SPOS boards I see in the US.  Or do I have to channel my inner Webwit and not care about shipping costs?

[kishy]

WOW. WANT (assuming blue clicky Cherry switches).

[sethstorm]

WOW. WANT (assuming blue clicky Cherry switches).

Honestly, it wouldnt matter much whether it was a red/blue/black/brown/MY, as long as it was one of those switches(and not a rubber dome).  I can live with the nonstandard layout.  That, and the G80-2100 appears to be programmable, which is a big plus for what I'm concerned with in a keyboard.

At least with Cherry keyboards, you'd have a LOT easier time finding white-on-black keys.  The black doubleshot keyboards go for well under $100 per keyboard(making things easier for finding donor keyboards).

[kishy]

I need a clicky keyboard to function...if it doesn't click, it's useless to me.

[sethstorm]

I need a clicky keyboard to function...if it doesn't click, it's useless to me.

My desirables are clicky, programmable, and in a terminal keyboard arrangement.  Secondary to that is if it can be easily be re-keyed to a different color.  Bonus points go to keyboards that have significant mass/weight(e.g. type F's) to them.

[kishy]

You'll have all of the above if I'm understanding the homemade USB controller board in Modifications

Clicky - that's a given
Programmable - controller allows hardware level maps (written from computer, though)
Terminal 122-key arrangement - another given
Re-key to different colours - get another set of keys and dye them
Significant mass - that's a given

...with regards to the terminal keyboards you've already got.

[Mental Hobbit]

The G80-2100 isn't a terminal keyboard, and it has black MX switches. The resemblance to IBM terminals must be pure coincidence. Sandy has one on his pages btw. It's the third of that type that has popped up in the last couple weeks. Sixty won the first one, I the second. This one will be most likely Meli's.



Strange thing that this one is offered under a different ebay account, although identical text and pictures indicate it's from the same seller as the previous two.

[meltie]

I hope so :-) Maybe the text is copy pasted, a lot of people do that for their auctions. He only put the pictures up after I asked him ...

[sethstorm]

You'll have all of the above if I'm understanding the homemade USB controller board in Modifications

Clicky - that's a given
Programmable - controller allows hardware level maps (written from computer, though)
Terminal 122-key arrangement - another given
Re-key to different colours - get another set of keys and dye them
Significant mass - that's a given

...with regards to the terminal keyboards you've already got.

Not talking about remaps, talking about stuffing multiple, arbitrary keystrokes into a key at the hardware level a la the Unicomp boards.  My understanding of that board you're referring to is that it deals with single non-programmed responses.  It seems to be targeted towards more conventional layouts as well by looking at the source.  

That, and due to the design of the Terminal Model F, it would require extensive desoldering/soldering due to it using a series of wires for the specific interface.  I'm not sure it'd fit the Model M's either(extra pins?).

Having those multiple layer programmable keys up top makes it a LOT easier in that respect with regards to the G80-2100.  It has the terminal layout, and looks to be swappable for the keycaps on my G81-3000.  It's a decent non-IBM 122-key in that respect.  USB is something I could get with a Blue Cube or go without.

As for dye, the best I could hope for is a Realforce colorscheme (black on black).

[Mental Hobbit]

Here's a G80-2550, 15€ BIN. So Cherry actually made terminal boards too, didn't know that.