Author Topic: CHERRY - Innovating the World's Best Keyboards (Read 40266 times)

Dihedral · « **Reply #102 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:18:43 »

Quote from: KRKS on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:05:03

Looking at all of the livestreams, and apperently nobody went to the Cherry event.

rip in pieces

Possibly the most anticlimatic ending to this whole thing possible: "No-one turned up, so we went home"

Dihedral · « **Reply #103 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:20:45 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:17:55

Watching.... 'MX Board 6.0' sounds disheartening

All this talk about sports equipment and digital and speed it seems that they are going down the way of gaming gear...

Analogue? Like it measure the weight of the keypress etc...

Metal finish? Oh god!

Cast aluminium apparently...

linziyi · « **Reply #104 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:25:54 »

Video is private....!?

Flyersfan1 · « **Reply #105 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:31:10 »

http://youtu.be/LPKbN-5XYWU

Bromono · « **Reply #106 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:31:35 »

doesn't sound like a new switch. just sounds like they made the MX switcher faster and is putting it in a fancy case.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #107 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:33:58 »

So now they just need to add the new 'ergo-clear' stem/spring to the RGB switch line.

Zeal · « **Reply #108 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:34:12 »

Aluminum top housing. MX Board 6.0

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #109 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:35:32 »

Clearly I should have downloaded these while I was watching them.

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Dihedral · « **Reply #110 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:36:13 »

I have the video loaded. Trying to extract from cache.

Grendel · « **Reply #111 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:37:01 »

Heh. Went private while I was watching it. Bunch of guys talking about the MX Board 6.0 w/o actually showing anything. From what they were talking about, the 6.0 is based on MX modules that are read out in an analog fashion (vs. "classic" digitally.) The innovation is in the supporting hardware (electronics, AL case/plate) and firmware, they claim NKRO and 1ms overall latency. That's it, pretty pathetic. I have implemented < 2ms latency in my corecon firmware last year and I don't think I was the first. Meh.

linziyi · « **Reply #112 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:37:33 »

So basically NKRO... I guess?

Jixr · « **Reply #113 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:39:40 »

azhdar · « **Reply #114 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:40:01 »

Bromono · « **Reply #115 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:40:35 »

So the built in RGB light in the switch is cool.

Dihedral · « **Reply #116 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:43:49 »

Guys... NKRO?

azhdar · « **Reply #117 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:45:16 »

RK is bull**** , board look interesting at best .

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #118 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:46:37 »

Quote from: Bromono on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:40:35

So the built in RGB light in the switch is cool.

The LED's are on the PCB the switch housing are just clear, those were the 'big' thing last year.

Quote from: Dihedral on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:43:49

Guys... NKRO?

NKRO isn't anything new.

Dihedral · « **Reply #119 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:47:31 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:46:37

Quote from: Bromono on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:40:35
So the built in RGB light in the switch is cool.

The LED's are on the PCB the switch housing are just clear, those were the 'big' thing last year.

Quote from: Dihedral on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:43:49
Guys... NKRO?

NKRO isn't anything new.

That's what I'm saying. They're saying it like it's revolutionary. I phrased my post badly :/

Dihedral · « **Reply #120 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:47:59 »

I can get ahold of the 9 minute private video anyone want it?

Sygaldry · « **Reply #121 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:48:10 »

This new keyboard... um... so... who's looking forward to next year's announcement at CES 2016?

hwood34 · « **Reply #122 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:48:48 »

So, innovation?

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #123 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:49:14 »

Quote from: Dihedral on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:47:31

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:46:37
Quote from: Bromono on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:40:35
So the built in RGB light in the switch is cool.

The LED's are on the PCB the switch housing are just clear, those were the 'big' thing last year.

Quote from: Dihedral on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:43:49
Guys... NKRO?

NKRO isn't anything new.

That's what I'm saying. They're saying it like it's revolutionary. I phrased my post badly :/

Ah yeah basically cherry trolled us.

Grendel · « **Reply #124 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:50:08 »

No need to debounce is new. The "analog readout" claim is curios.

Parak · « **Reply #125 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:50:14 »

Quote from: Grendel on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:37:01

Heh. Went private while I was watching it. Bunch of guys talking about the MX Board 6.0 w/o actually showing anything. From what they were talking about, the 6.0 is based on MX modules that are read out in an analog fashion (vs. "classic" digitally.) The innovation is in the supporting hardware (electronics, AL case/plate) and firmware, they claim NKRO and 1ms overall latency. That's it, pretty pathetic. I have implemented < 2ms latency in my corecon firmware last year and I don't think I was the first. Meh.

If that's true analog, which generally only applies to linear type of switches, then it's a pretty big deal. Nobody else really does that in commercial keyboards to my knowledge, and analog switches have some significant advantages. It'd be the exact opposite of pathetic, and far more important than any gimmick like NKRO and 1ms scanning.

Parak · « **Reply #126 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:51:54 »

Keep in mind that true analog switches means being able to determine how far a switch is pressed. For example, in a game, slightly pressed = walk, mostly pressed/bottomed out = running, etc.

heedpantsnow · « **Reply #127 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:52:27 »

So Cherry has invented NKRO?

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #128 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:52:47 »

Quote from: Parak on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:51:54

Keep in mind that true analog switches means being able to determine how far a switch is pressed. For example, in a game, slightly pressed = walk, mostly pressed/bottomed out = running, etc.

Like this guy was trying to do?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56759.0

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aimpad/aimpadtm-pc-gaming-analog-keyboard

Bromono · « **Reply #129 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:54:17 »

It just looks like they are going for the gaming market. Even on their YouTube channel, their banner says "Cherry Professional Gaming"

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #130 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:54:50 »

Quote from: Bromono on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:54:17

It just looks like they are going for the gaming market. Even on their YouTube channel, their banner says "Cherry Professional Gaming"

Is there another market for 'high-end' keyboards?

engicoder · « **Reply #131 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:55:30 »

Quote from: Grendel on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:50:08

No need to debounce is new. The "analog readout" claim is curios.

The video suggested they are still using MX switches, just using a difference method of detecting key presses...specifically an analog on. That is a curiosity. I suppose they could be doing hardware RC debounce and using dedicated lines with an ADC for each line...but I'm not sure that would be revolutionary either.

Dihedral · « **Reply #132 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:55:55 »

Quote from: Bromono on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:54:17

It just looks like they are going for the gaming market. Even on their YouTube channel, their banner says "Cherry Professional Gaming"

'We treat our products like professional sports equipment' from the 9 minute video

Parak · « **Reply #133 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:56:54 »

If I were Cherry, I'd be marketing the analog switches up and down, showing advantages of them in games and CAD applications, etc. Makes me suspicious of what it is that they have actually created.

Bromono · « **Reply #134 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:57:54 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:54:50

Quote from: Bromono on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:54:17
It just looks like they are going for the gaming market. Even on their YouTube channel, their banner says "Cherry Professional Gaming"

Is there another market for 'high-end' keyboards?

I would like to think so.. or at least hope =(

engicoder · « **Reply #135 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:00:01 »

Quote from: Parak on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:56:54

If I were Cherry, I'd be marketing the analog switches up and down, showing advantages of them in games and CAD applications, etc. Makes me suspicious of what it is that they have actually created.

I don't think they are new switches...the video implied they are still using MX switches with RK switch detection.

Also, by definition, MX switches are already analog.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #136 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:01:45 »

Quote from: Parak on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:56:54

If I were Cherry, I'd be marketing the analog switches up and down, showing advantages of them in games and CAD applications, etc. Makes me suspicious of what it is that they have actually created.

But I don't think there are new switches just new PCB or some other 'technology' to go along with the clear case switches.

Findecanor · « **Reply #137 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:02:35 »

Analogue sensing for n-key rollover is not new. Microsoft has a patent for doing it with resistors. A guy who worked on it has posted here on GH about it. It is used in SideWinder X4.

The Cherry MX switch still needs to be debounced. It is not like there is an analogue curve from unpressed to pressed.

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 05 January 2015, 19:43:06

It will turn out those new switches used by Steelseries on the mechanical Apex is what all this hype is about )

Those are made by Kailh, BTW. You can see their logo on the top of the switch in promotional material.

Snowdog993 · « **Reply #138 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:02:51 »

I think it's marketing hype to be honest. Just trying to get more sales.

Sygaldry · « **Reply #139 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:03:14 »

Quote from: engicoder on Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:00:01

Quote from: Parak on Tue, 06 January 2015, 12:56:54
If I were Cherry, I'd be marketing the analog switches up and down, showing advantages of them in games and CAD applications, etc. Makes me suspicious of what it is that they have actually created.

I don't think they are new switches...the video implied they are still using MX switches with RK switch detection

This is exactly how I interpreted it. Kind of hard to interpret it any other way, really, especially with that corny MX+RK = 6.0 ending.

These are not analog switches; it's just an "analog" key press detection technology.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #140 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:04:37 »

Quote from: Snowdog993 on Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:02:51

I think it's marketing hype to be honest. Just trying to get more sales.

Can't believe I'm saying this but I kind of agree with you.

Dihedral · « **Reply #141 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:19:41 »

Here is the 9 minute private video, recorded and uploaded:

Findecanor · « **Reply #142 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:30:31 »

I don't have any problems watching the videos on Cherry's Youtube channel any more.

Sygaldry · « **Reply #143 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:32:37 »

Quote from: Dihedral on Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:19:41

Here is the 9 minute private video, recorded and uploaded:

Almost fell asleep watching that...
Maybe that's why they took it down...

Grendel · « **Reply #144 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:33:40 »

Quote from: Findecanor on Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:02:35

Analogue sensing for n-key rollover is not new. Microsoft has a patent for doing it with resistors. A guy who worked on it has posted here on GH about it. It is used in SideWinder X4.

Paul Dietz. Interesting fella.

Quote from: Findecanor on Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:02:35

The Cherry MX switch still needs to be debounced. It is not like there is an analogue curve from unpressed to pressed.

Well, if each switch is connected to GND and has a small capacitor in parallel, discharge (switch closes) could be almost instantaneous, recharge (switch opens) may take a bit longer (due to bounce, although opening is less bouncy.) Keeping track of the capacitors would be quite a task tho. Looking forward to the first teardown of a 6.0 board...

Grendel · « **Reply #145 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:36:29 »

Details of the board here. $219 MSRP...

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #146 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:37:42 »

$219

Pure speed:	The world's fastest keyboard – with CHERRY MX and CHERRY RK
Mechanics:	CHERRY MX RED – Gold Crosspoint precision keyswitch for all keys »Made in Germany«
Pure design:	Aluminium housing with sanded finish and grease resistant coating
Electrics:	CHERRY RealKey technology – fully analog signal processing
Full-N-Key rollover:	All keyswitches are read simultaneously
100% anti-ghosting:	No inputting errors

DrHubblePhD · « **Reply #147 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:39:13 »

Accurate, fast, pure, what does that even mean

Parak · « **Reply #148 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:40:57 »

Bleh. Got me all excited for nothing

Grendel · « **Reply #149 on:** Tue, 06 January 2015, 13:41:58 »

Hm, BL compatible caps from Cherry...

Nasty font tho

Looks like a well-made board tho, some good details there.

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Author Topic: CHERRY - Innovating the World's Best Keyboards (Read 40266 times)