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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #200 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 06:25:50 »
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!

Speak to 7bit and get some Matias switches in there ;).

I'm not de-soldering Alps ever  :p I cursed every minute I did that, and I like black Alps :)
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #201 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 07:24:02 »
Here is a photo with the plate. The center mount hole is unusable, the Alps switches are too wide and I don't have enough clearance to insert the screw, but it doesn't matter, it's very stable and the Dell plate adds some healthy weight to the keyboard.

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #202 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 08:39:00 »
Now a stupid question about the firmware, what loader should I use for this controller ? It works like for Teensy or should be something else ?
And how do I put it in programming mode, I saw the push button on the back, is there a sequence ? Like push 5s insert usb and stuff like that ?
For the keymap I'm all good, code is something I understand  :p
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #203 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 09:17:25 »
Now a stupid question about the firmware, what loader should I use for this controller ? It works like for Teensy or should be something else ?
And how do I put it in programming mode, I saw the push button on the back, is there a sequence ? Like push 5s insert usb and stuff like that ?
For the keymap I'm all good, code is something I understand  :p
1: Insert keyboard to PC. 2: Press button (no need to hold). 3: Flash firmware. :) I think it works exactly as a Teensy (never used one)

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #204 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 09:22:47 »
Cool :) and which loader did you use ?
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #205 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 13:12:03 »
Thanks for posting pic of dell plate.

To enter the program mode push the button on bottom.

And my favorite program utility is 'dfu-programmer' but FLIP also can be used if you are on Windows.

I'll add easy instruction on the first post for this things later.
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #206 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 15:24:30 »
Come on, Round 2!!!

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #207 on: Thu, 07 May 2015, 17:13:01 »
Cool :) and which loader did you use ?
Lile hasu I use the dfu-programmmer :)

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #208 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 07:13:17 »
Second day of typing on the Alps 60%, it feels so good. Now I have also my layout configured and it's perfect.

Made also a build log https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71714.0 maybe it will be useful to others. It was a fun project and I recommend you people start and build these boards  :cool: I want to see all 9 of them built  :thumb:
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #209 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 07:24:03 »
Ugh you're such a tease DanielT. I'm waiting on nubbinator's plate buy to build mine
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #210 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 07:35:31 »
Here is a photo with the plate. The center mount hole is unusable, the Alps switches are too wide and I don't have enough clearance to insert the screw, but it doesn't matter, it's very stable and the Dell plate adds some healthy weight to the keyboard.

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Actually I love the feels of steel plates,  hard but soft   ::)

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #211 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 07:54:02 »
This is my first board with a steel plate and it gives a nice kick to the switch, very stable  :cool:
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #212 on: Fri, 08 May 2015, 08:34:46 »
Ugh you're such a tease DanielT. I'm waiting on nubbinator's plate buy to build mine
Lucky you. I'll be waiting on PCB round 2 once I get Nub's plate.

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #213 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:13:43 »
Ugh I keep forgetting to do great fits on my pure stock case and pure cnc case.

I think someone already did a test fit of the Poker case which is the same as the Pure case. But here is the PCB in the Pure CNC metal case.




Perfect fit!
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #214 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:34:26 »
Thanks, CPTBadAss!

No critical defect has been found so far and connector alignment seems to be also not big problem.
Second run will be done with exactly same design as the first run, I can use same stencil and this reduces cost a little.

Any sugestion on second run?
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #215 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:36:18 »
Thanks, CPTBadAss!

No critical defect has been found so far and connector alignment seems to be also not big problem.
Second run will be done with exactly same design as the first run, I can use same stencil and this reduces cost a little.

Any sugestion on second run?

So far it seems very seamless. I'm waiting for a plate to come in so I can't suggest anything until I build the board right? But so far, it drops into both cases as you wanted just fine. I'm pretty happy with it as it is. Thanks for letting me into the first run :D
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #216 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:36:43 »
Is there any possibility of adding LEDs to this PCB?
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #217 on: Mon, 11 May 2015, 22:01:02 »
LEDs won't be added on this PCB except for debug purpose.
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #218 on: Wed, 13 May 2015, 06:13:30 »
i so want dis.

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #219 on: Wed, 13 May 2015, 07:36:17 »
Nice PCB!   :thumb:    People are waiting for the 2nd run !   ;)

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« Reply #220 on: Wed, 13 May 2015, 20:42:53 »
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #221 on: Wed, 13 May 2015, 20:49:59 »
Nice PCB!   :thumb:    People are waiting for the 2nd run !   ;)

Definitely want to get in on R2.
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #222 on: Thu, 14 May 2015, 06:13:12 »
Indeed, I'm going to grab a couple for sure.

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #223 on: Fri, 15 May 2015, 01:06:12 »
Matias Alps switches will be available   $15- $18/100pcs  for the possible coming GB.

Thanks Matias for Your Favour !   ;)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #224 on: Fri, 15 May 2015, 05:18:50 »
Matias Alps switches will be available   $15- $18/100pcs  for the possible coming GB.

Thanks Matias for Your Favour !   ;)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.msg1744588#msg1744588
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #225 on: Fri, 15 May 2015, 09:25:41 »
Matias Alps switches will be available   $15- $18/100pcs  for the possible coming GB for GH members.
 
This estimated price comes when GH Groupbuy  4800pcs pack at $672+ Shipping + Tax ? to a US proxy.
We need a US proxy.

Thanks Matias for Your Favour !   
 
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #226 on: Fri, 15 May 2015, 09:35:33 »
Chinese Alps & Cherry sources  :  (I don't have confidence on their quality, Never tested for long term)
 
-   Gaote (Scott)   :    http://en.cngaote.com/products_list/&pmcId=b5f50871-3881-48f9-84f7-d6d1e7ce5ab5.html
-   Yang Jie            :    http://www.dgyangjie.cn/page/offerlist_5320157.htm?spm=a2615.2177701.0.0.W5CRWn&sortType=showcase   

Both located in Guangdong (Canton) China,  Next city to Hongkong, called Dongguan (East estate)
Prices are  $12-14/100pcs  >  Then + shipping + Tax = ?? 
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-   Gateron               http://www.gateron.com         http://detail.1688.com/offer/38875496181.html?spm=a2615.2177701.5683209.6.kZ64yQ
-   Kaihua (Kailh)     http://www.kailh.com/gb/Newsdetail.asp?Newsid=37 
-   Greetech             http://www.greetech.com/en/products.asp?enBigClassName=GT02%20Keyswitch   
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #227 on: Fri, 15 May 2015, 21:20:39 »
Seems Chinese Alps switches may look similar to Matias,   but internal parts differ, esp the sliders, contact leaf.

I'd prefer proven Matias than Chinese clones.  believe Matias got better QC.

The Clones' prices are even not better at all.    ::)

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« Reply #228 on: Fri, 15 May 2015, 21:45:47 »
Might be time to start a new topic sprit ;)

And if there's no one else who can handle shipping, I could do so, though I won't be as fast as the Gateron buy.


On the plate note, soon.  They missed my e-mail and I got in touch with them yesterday to check on it.  Dropped of switches and stabs today so they can test fitment before making the full lot.

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #229 on: Fri, 15 May 2015, 22:23:17 »
Might be time to start a new topic sprit ;)
And if there's no one else who can handle shipping, I could do so, though I won't be as fast as the Gateron buy.

On the plate note, soon.  They missed my e-mail and I got in touch with them yesterday to check on it.  Dropped of switches and stabs today so they can test fitment before making the full lot.
Might start When Hasu is ready for 2nd run of Alps PCB?    ;)

I guess US Proxy for Matias switches will be in charge of most of the shippings.  So he will manage the Invoices.   
I may take a responsibility for the shipping Worldwide in June.   
The Tracked Air shipping  for 100pcs switches (~250g packed) will be ~ $8,  200pcs(~500g packed) will be ~$10,   To Worldwide From Korea Post.
 
Really Appreciate for the organizing the Alps Plate GB !  ;) 
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #230 on: Sat, 16 May 2015, 06:37:16 »
Seems Chinese Alps switches may look similar to Matias,   but internal parts differ, esp the sliders, contact leaf.

I'd prefer proven Matias than Chinese clones.  believe Matias got better QC.

The Clones' prices are even not better at all.    ::)

I thought Gaote was Matias manufacturer?
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #231 on: Sat, 16 May 2015, 06:48:24 »
Seems Chinese Alps switches may look similar to Matias,   but internal parts differ, esp the sliders, contact leaf.

I'd prefer proven Matias than Chinese clones.  believe Matias got better QC.

The Clones' prices are even not better at all.    ::)

I thought Gaote was Matias manufacturer?
Oh, Yes!     :thumb:    My point is :   

-   I'd prefer proven Matias than Chinese clones.  believe Matias got better QC. 
-   Plastic materials are very plastic,  hard to control the Quality

-   Everything has different Quality Grades
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« Reply #232 on: Sat, 16 May 2015, 09:23:07 »
What is the absolute lowest profile case you can build these with?  Custom acrylic?

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #233 on: Sat, 16 May 2015, 09:32:11 »
What is the absolute lowest profile case you can build these with?  Custom acrylic?


The lowest Custom acrylic for Poker compatible PCBs    :   Model 3S  -  18mm thick,  the Plate top flushes with Case top (same as Tex acrylic)

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #234 on: Sat, 16 May 2015, 09:59:35 »
Ok, in for R2.

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #235 on: Sun, 17 May 2015, 02:52:34 »
Oh man, I am SO in for this if there is a 2nd round.
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #236 on: Tue, 19 May 2015, 12:03:49 »
I'm also interested in an assembled PCB if there is a 2nd round. Very sad I missed this.

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« Reply #237 on: Tue, 19 May 2015, 15:07:09 »
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :P
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Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D

I don't know why, but those hand drawn legends looks awesome to me.
It reminds me something out of my engineering lab in college.

I'm definitely doing that to one of mine.

Thanks so much for this idea!!  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #238 on: Wed, 20 May 2015, 10:10:38 »
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :P
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Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D

I don't know why, but those hand drawn legends looks awesome to me.
It reminds me something out of my engineering lab in college.

I'm definitely doing that to one of mine.

Thanks so much for this idea!!  :thumb:
Thanks, it basically is out of my engineering lab at my university :D. I might draw my own legends for the function-keys on the new set of keycaps as well. I'm planning white PBT's from Matias combined with these modifiers. I like the thought of blanks with only the legends for the function-layers :)

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #239 on: Wed, 20 May 2015, 19:02:08 »
Soldered and programmed my board yesterday, so far everything works great with the PCB. The plate I modded for this is not pretty and might need further modding (I don't have a ISO enter to try my stabs). This is how it looks now, I really need the new caps Matias is working on :P
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Don't worry about my drawing on the keycaps, they are not great (from a rubber dome) and the ink rubs off with some effort.  ;D

I don't know why, but those hand drawn legends looks awesome to me.
It reminds me something out of my engineering lab in college.

I'm definitely doing that to one of mine.

Thanks so much for this idea!!  :thumb:
Thanks, it basically is out of my engineering lab at my university :D. I might draw my own legends for the function-keys on the new set of keycaps as well. I'm planning white PBT's from Matias combined with these modifiers. I like the thought of blanks with only the legends for the function-layers :)

Yes I know exactly what you mean. There was a Multimedia Keys Granite add on that basically just had media icons on it that I really loved. Too bad I don't really like typing on DSA.

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #240 on: Wed, 20 May 2015, 21:13:30 »
Rev.A users,
did anyone try other case? Currently PokerX and Pure CNC case were confirmed.
Aren't  there anyone with Poker 2 and Poker 3 case to try the PCB?
In particular Poker 3 has no tolerance on its connector hole, so I'd like to know if it can fit into the case.

From first post:
- Confirm case fitness
    - Poker X original plastic case OK OK
    - Pure CNC metal OK
    - Poker 2
    - Poker 3
    - V60
    - Other custom cases
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #241 on: Mon, 25 May 2015, 04:06:29 »
No option for unassembled?  :'(

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #242 on: Mon, 25 May 2015, 10:02:34 »
I started second round of this group buy quietly and taking orders now.
Target quantity is 20-30 boards in this round.Check the first post of this thread to order.

jevvix,
I just didn't want to cut, mark and sort out small SMT components.
OK. I can sell them for $10 if you have to get components from me. And Raw PCB costs $12.
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #243 on: Mon, 25 May 2015, 11:20:36 »
Rev.A users,
did anyone try other case? Currently PokerX and Pure CNC case were confirmed.
Aren't  there anyone with Poker 2 and Poker 3 case to try the PCB?
A friend has a Poker 2 case, I'll try the PCB in it but I'm not sure when I will have the time to try it , will post results when done. I only have the Poker X case myself.
Edit:
Got a temporary ABS ISO-enter from Matias today and the placement of the switch seems to be placed a bit to far to the right. Will post image later tonight.
Edit-2:
Here are some pics: http://imgur.com/a/JqJ7a
« Last Edit: Mon, 25 May 2015, 12:27:52 by Applet »

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #244 on: Mon, 25 May 2015, 11:36:20 »
PM'd for round 2!
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #245 on: Mon, 25 May 2015, 22:26:47 »
jevvix,
I just didn't want to cut, mark and sort out small SMT components.
OK. I can sell them for $10 if you have to get components from me. And Raw PCB costs $12.
Thank you. Sent you a PM regarding my potential order.

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #246 on: Tue, 26 May 2015, 23:05:52 »
Updated order list in the first post, let me know if your order is missed in the list.

Around thirty boards are ordered so far and this number is already nice amount for second run.
But I'll open this more a few days in case that poeple are still missing this run.

Thanks


EDIT: Invoices are not sent yet. I will sent them with PM later, probably a days or two later.(Friday in JST)
« Last Edit: Tue, 26 May 2015, 23:17:17 by hasu »
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #247 on: Wed, 27 May 2015, 04:38:14 »
See this pic form Applet's post. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg1758165#msg1758165


This ISO enter keycap from Matias doesn't work with Rev.A PCB :(
Aren't any Rev.A user with other ISO enter keycap there?

I'll have to look into this problem closely.
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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #248 on: Wed, 27 May 2015, 05:01:35 »
I've got an ISO enter from a Dell at102w that I was going to use with mine, I can send it to someone to test it if needed. I'll need it back eventually though...

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Re: [GB] 60% ALPS PCB
« Reply #249 on: Wed, 27 May 2015, 05:17:30 »
Hzza, it would be very helpful if you can take some photos of the Dell.

In particular I want to see how ISO enter switch is aligned there. All of keycaps around ISO enter area should be taken off.
I think pics taken from very straight above would be nice. And I want to see close up of  bottom of ISO enter keycap.

Applet, could you post pic of bottom of Matias keycap? I'd see its mount position.
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