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Offline nathanchere

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #600 on: Mon, 15 April 2019, 04:08:50 »
hi, hasu. I am making that ble version and firstly big thanks for your work on it.
I have a question that how you confirmed the hhkb should work with 5v. Maybe I can get some advice from you.
I used 5v at the beginning. But some day I just wanted to (maybe just want to find something to do) have a try how low the voltage can be when it works. I found that it can work with 3.3v.  Then I began to make new version and test with it. Yes, it works fine with both my HHKB Pro2 and JP(both type-s). Pro2 is already daily used for 13 days(without charging).

here is the 6th ver I made. It still keep 5v on it. But if it realy works well with only 3.3v, I may remove the 5v part next version.
BTW, FC660C works with only 3.3v well too.
(Attachment Link)

Super exciting news :D  Sorry for the ignorant question but what is the inner USB socket for?

I will post more infomation after it is done.

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #601 on: Tue, 16 April 2019, 02:25:39 »
hi, hasu. I am making that ble version and firstly big thanks for your work on it.
I have a question that how you confirmed the hhkb should work with 5v. Maybe I can get some advice from you.
I used 5v at the beginning. But some day I just wanted to (maybe just want to find something to do) have a try how low the voltage can be when it works. I found that it can work with 3.3v.  Then I began to make new version and test with it. Yes, it works fine with both my HHKB Pro2 and JP(both type-s). Pro2 is already daily used for 13 days(without charging).

here is the 6th ver I made. It still keep 5v on it. But if it realy works well with only 3.3v, I may remove the 5v part next version.
BTW, FC660C works with only 3.3v well too.
(Attachment Link)

Super exciting news :D  Sorry for the ignorant question but what is the inner USB socket for?

I will post more infomation after it is done.
Inner USB Disk and its power is controlled by keyboard.
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Offline edencao

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #602 on: Tue, 30 April 2019, 17:16:38 »
I have received your board and it's works fine.Thanks for your work!
By the way,is there some plan to upgrade bluetooth to v4.x?

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #603 on: Wed, 01 May 2019, 04:32:25 »
Yang's project added some nice extra features to the bluetooth controller.

Here're some questions:

1. the cables coming out of the socket circled on the right are quite crowded, you may turn the socket 180 or 90.
2. What are these LEDs for? Just bugging for the project for yourself or there's some LED features?
3. Is the switch on the left going to face outward of the case in the final versions?

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I am also interested in how long you can foresee to stay inside the community to maintain contact for aftersales technical issues.
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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #604 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 12:09:38 »
Hi,

I received my hasu controller a couple of weeks ago for my HHKB2, and it worked perfectly. I flashed it twice, and now it has stopped working. The keyboard does not send events when I use it, and I don't seem to be able to contact it:

Code: [Select]
$ dfu-programmer atmega32u4 erase --force
dfu-programmer: no device present.

I have probably done something wrong, but I have no idea what as it worked the first time. I understand this is a very general error scenario, but do you have any tips on debugging it or resetting the firmware?

Some random facts and observations that might help

* The LED is orange when I plug in the keyboard, so the cable seems to work
* On macOS
* Using USB controller for HHKB Pro2

I've tried pushing the red button and doing the LSHIFT+RSHIFT+Fn+P combination to no avail.

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #605 on: Wed, 10 July 2019, 18:26:44 »
I think you already check first post but you may want to check it again, especially 'TROUBLESHOOT' section.
And refer to this about how to flash with dfu-programmer.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki#dfu-programmer-for-windows-mac-and-linux

Did you try adding 'sudo' to the command?

Just push red button and then run commands. It should work.


[EDIT] And use proper firmware for your controller.
USB Alt controller has no orange LED and it is green which turns on only when capslock is activated.
yours is Bluetooth one, perhaps?

Hi,

I received my hasu controller a couple of weeks ago for my HHKB2, and it worked perfectly. I flashed it twice, and now it has stopped working. The keyboard does not send events when I use it, and I don't seem to be able to contact it:

Code: [Select]
$ dfu-programmer atmega32u4 erase --force
dfu-programmer: no device present.

I have probably done something wrong, but I have no idea what as it worked the first time. I understand this is a very general error scenario, but do you have any tips on debugging it or resetting the firmware?

Some random facts and observations that might help

* The LED is orange when I plug in the keyboard, so the cable seems to work
* On macOS
* Using USB controller for HHKB Pro2

I've tried pushing the red button and doing the LSHIFT+RSHIFT+Fn+P combination to no avail.
« Last Edit: Wed, 10 July 2019, 18:30:26 by hasu »
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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #606 on: Thu, 11 July 2019, 02:35:49 »
USB Alt controller has no orange LED and it is green which turns on only when capslock is activated.
yours is Bluetooth one, perhaps?

lol

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #607 on: Thu, 11 July 2019, 16:33:08 »
Received my HHKB Pro 2 USB controllers. Installed and flashed without issues.

Really nice to be able to customize it a little bit. My biggest issue was with the navigation keys, so I created a Layer 2 using the Right OS key (the diamond one) and the existing arrow keys for PgUp/Home/End/PgDown. This lets me navigate quickly with either Fn or Right OS key (pinky and thumb naturally sit on) while leaving my hands on the arrow diamond.

Thanks Hasu!
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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #608 on: Tue, 06 August 2019, 12:54:22 »
Thanks for the reply

I think you already check first post but you may want to check it again, especially 'TROUBLESHOOT' section.
And refer to this about how to flash with dfu-programmer.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki#dfu-programmer-for-windows-mac-and-linux

Did you try adding 'sudo' to the command?

Yes, it made no difference

Code: [Select]
$ sudo dfu-programmer atmega32u4 erase --force
Password:
dfu-programmer: no device present.

Quote
Just push red button and then run commands. It should work.


[EDIT] And use proper firmware for your controller.
USB Alt controller has no orange LED and it is green which turns on only when capslock is activated.
yours is Bluetooth one, perhaps?

Pushing the red button does not make a difference. It might be that I flashed it using the wrong firmware, I don't think I did, but it's possible. Anyway, the LED is definitely orange and it's definitely a USB controller. See attached image.


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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #609 on: Tue, 06 August 2019, 13:42:06 »
 jgogstad,
hmm, bootloader should work whenever the button is pressed unless its hardware is insane.
And LED never light when booloader is running. There may be someting wrong on hardware.

Contact seller with email. (probably me?)


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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #610 on: Sun, 25 August 2019, 13:07:29 »
Warning, YDKB battery connector is reversed comparing with Hasu. Why???



Also YDKB firmware for mdbt40 module is available here:
https://github.com/yangdigi/tmk_keyboard/tree/master/keyboard/hhkb_ble

Also here's my firmware for Pro Micro and nRFMicro but I'm still trying to figure out the timings. Do I really need a microsecond timer in the inner loop?
https://github.com/joric/nrfmicro/wiki/hhkb-ble

This one:
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if (TIMER_DIFF_RAW(TIMER_RAW, last) > 20/(1000000/TIMER_RAW_FREQ)) {
    matrix[row] = matrix_prev[row];
}
May I just comment it out? I works with Atmega32u4 but there's no microsecond timer on Nordic and the millsecond one is not enough as figures.
« Last Edit: Sun, 25 August 2019, 13:30:17 by joric »

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #611 on: Mon, 26 August 2019, 03:59:13 »
I've been using my Hasu BT controller without a battery for a loooong time because I never found a battery connector that fits the PCB and I didn't want to leave my prototyping pins in there. Can anyone recommend the appropriate part number or where to buy just the battery connector tip? I have a suitable battery, just without the connector at the end of the wires.

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #612 on: Tue, 27 August 2019, 03:17:56 »
joric,
I don't know and can't say about their controller. Just ask seller of your controller.

For TMK controller, don't comment the lines out. They are needed for reliable matrix scan.

nathanchere,
Battery connector is JST PH, you can find it anywhere including clones. I'd recommend genuine, though.
You can use AWG24 wire with these.

https://www.digikey.com/short/prj0z5
https://www.digikey.com/short/prj0mh
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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #613 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 08:37:32 »
I mean, it kind of works, when I comment out the timer code, but there's trailing 222 after each key. Did you experience the same behavior while debugging the matrix code? Microsecond timer on nordic is not so easy to get as on AVR, I guess, there should be a clock register but I'm not entirely sure. See the video. Also https://github.com/joric/nrfmicro/wiki/HHKB-BLE

It's not bluetooth-related because I'm using wired USB connection for debug, it's just timings (bluetooth works, and behaves the same way). Tried uint32_t last = NRF_RTC0->COUNTER, if (NRF_RTC0->COUNTER > last) matrix[row] = matrix_prev[row]; but it just got worse (NRF_RTC0->COUNTER resolution is 32khz so every tick is about 30 us). The '2' key appears to be COL0/ROW0 but when I try to drop its bit it just repeats the nearest key (qqq, wwww and so on).

« Last Edit: Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:48:32 by joric »

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #614 on: Wed, 28 August 2019, 19:02:38 »
joric,
You need to create own thread for your problem in "Making Stuff Together!" or talk with its designer and  It is not related to TMK Alt controller.
I want to use this thread for support and discussion about TMK controller and dont' want people here to be confused with infos of diferent controller.

EDIT: Or instead of creating your own thread you can discuss with people about technical topics of HHKB at this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.0
« Last Edit: Wed, 28 August 2019, 19:26:40 by hasu »
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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #615 on: Thu, 29 August 2019, 03:44:17 »
I AM "its designer" but okay.

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #616 on: Thu, 29 August 2019, 18:57:20 »
Dear Hasu,

I have had my hhkb pro 2 with the hasu controller for about a year. This morning the keys were not working but the green light was on and I was connected via a cable. Bluetooth also would connect, but keys wouldn't work. I tried restarting my computer and resetting my Mac's SMC and pram. Nothing changed. I came back after a few hours and tried again. With the cable nothing worked and I got a notice from my mac saying: "USB Accessories Disabled" Unplug the accessory using to much power to re-enable USB device. Next, I tried plugging the keyboard into a different power source and using bluetooth. The bluetooth didn't work unless it wasn't plugged in. With the keyboard connected to power and bluetooth on I was able to type a little and then random keys started to execute. 


The keyboard has been on my desk for months, so I am doubtful it was damaged or spilled on without my knowledge.

I wasn't able to re-flash it, since when it is plugged in the computer didn't recognize it.

Any ideas on what to do next? Could I just need a new battery?

UPDATE: I removed the battery and the keyboard works with bluetooth, but not the cable alone.
« Last Edit: Thu, 29 August 2019, 19:43:51 by emyebantracl »

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #617 on: Thu, 29 August 2019, 21:29:35 »
Hi,
That error "USB Accessories Disabled: Unplug the accessory using too much power to re-enable USB device." looks really bad symptom. It may happens short circuit or serious fault  somewehre.

I'd suspect USB cable or port first, though, the controller itself can be already damaged.
Did you try another cable or USB port?

A) At first, check where it works as USB keyobard.
1. Remove battery and turn off Bluetooth with the slide switch.
2. Plug into port with USB cable.

Does the LED turns green and the keyboard registers keys?
Also try Windows or Linux if you have any.

If not try another cables get from reliable source. There are many many bad cable in the market unfortunately.
Use cable comes with HHKB, it is enough reliable unless it is damaged.

If it doesn't still work, try reflashing default firmware downloaded from Keymap Editor.


B) Check your HHKB is still safe and work with its original controller.
Does the keyboard work well with the genuine contoller and the cable?




Dear Hasu,

I have had my hhkb pro 2 with the hasu controller for about a year. This morning the keys were not working but the green light was on and I was connected via a cable. Bluetooth also would connect, but keys wouldn't work. I tried restarting my computer and resetting my Mac's SMC and pram. Nothing changed. I came back after a few hours and tried again. With the cable nothing worked and I got a notice from my mac saying: "USB Accessories Disabled" Unplug the accessory using to much power to re-enable USB device. Next, I tried plugging the keyboard into a different power source and using bluetooth. The bluetooth didn't work unless it wasn't plugged in. With the keyboard connected to power and bluetooth on I was able to type a little and then random keys started to execute. 


The keyboard has been on my desk for months, so I am doubtful it was damaged or spilled on without my knowledge.

I wasn't able to re-flash it, since when it is plugged in the computer didn't recognize it.

Any ideas on what to do next? Could I just need a new battery?

UPDATE: I removed the battery and the keyboard works with bluetooth, but not the cable alone.

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #618 on: Fri, 30 August 2019, 11:17:16 »
A)
- LED turns green, I have not tested on PC or Linux yet. I have tried a second mac.
- Mac isn't recognizing that there is a keyboard in the USB port.
- I tried two cables, including original hhkb cable.
- When I run: dfu-programmer atmega32u4 erase --force, I get the message "dfu-programmer: no device present." I am assuming that my mac isn't recognizing that the keyboard is there. Is "atmega32u4" the right controller?

B)
The original hhkb genuine controller does work with a cable. And the Hasu controller works with no battery and bluetooth on, but not with the cord by itself and no battery.


Hi,
That error "USB Accessories Disabled: Unplug the accessory using too much power to re-enable USB device." looks really bad symptom. It may happens short circuit or serious fault  somewehre.

I'd suspect USB cable or port first, though, the controller itself can be already damaged.
Did you try another cable or USB port?

A) At first, check where it works as USB keyobard.
1. Remove battery and turn off Bluetooth with the slide switch.
2. Plug into port with USB cable.

Does the LED turns green and the keyboard registers keys?
Also try Windows or Linux if you have any.

If not try another cables get from reliable source. There are many many bad cable in the market unfortunately.
Use cable comes with HHKB, it is enough reliable unless it is damaged.

If it doesn't still work, try reflashing default firmware downloaded from Keymap Editor.


B) Check your HHKB is still safe and work with its original controller.
Does the keyboard work well with the genuine contoller and the cable?




Dear Hasu,

I have had my hhkb pro 2 with the hasu controller for about a year. This morning the keys were not working but the green light was on and I was connected via a cable. Bluetooth also would connect, but keys wouldn't work. I tried restarting my computer and resetting my Mac's SMC and pram. Nothing changed. I came back after a few hours and tried again. With the cable nothing worked and I got a notice from my mac saying: "USB Accessories Disabled" Unplug the accessory using to much power to re-enable USB device. Next, I tried plugging the keyboard into a different power source and using bluetooth. The bluetooth didn't work unless it wasn't plugged in. With the keyboard connected to power and bluetooth on I was able to type a little and then random keys started to execute. 


The keyboard has been on my desk for months, so I am doubtful it was damaged or spilled on without my knowledge.

I wasn't able to re-flash it, since when it is plugged in the computer didn't recognize it.

Any ideas on what to do next? Could I just need a new battery?

UPDATE: I removed the battery and the keyboard works with bluetooth, but not the cable alone.

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #619 on: Fri, 30 August 2019, 17:52:59 »
It seems like charger chip is fried or USB connector is damaged perhaps.
I can offer free repair service if you cover postage for both ways. Contact me at hasu@tmk-kbd.com.

A)
- LED turns green, I have not tested on PC or Linux yet. I have tried a second mac.
- Mac isn't recognizing that there is a keyboard in the USB port.
- I tried two cables, including original hhkb cable.
- When I run: dfu-programmer atmega32u4 erase --force, I get the message "dfu-programmer: no device present." I am assuming that my mac isn't recognizing that the keyboard is there. Is "atmega32u4" the right controller?

B)
The original hhkb genuine controller does work with a cable. And the Hasu controller works with no battery and bluetooth on, but not with the cord by itself and no battery.


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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #620 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 06:10:13 »
I am experiencing something really strange.

I've used my keyboard a lot with the USB controller. All of a sudden, the CMD keys don't work. Any idea what that could be? How to solve it (probably re-flash)?
 

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #621 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 13:01:07 »
I am experiencing something really strange.

I've used my keyboard a lot with the USB controller. All of a sudden, the CMD keys don't work. Any idea what that could be? How to solve it (probably re-flash)?

Update: re-flashed the controller, and it seems to work again. However, I'm still curious how it happened, and I would definitely like to avoid it in the future. Especially since I use it as my travel-keyboard. Any ideas? I have been plugging the keyboard into two different computers several times today, but I wouldn't think that should be an issue (I also believe I have done this many times before)?
 

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #622 on: Thu, 12 December 2019, 17:17:43 »
One of Boot Magic features caused your problem probably. 'Disable GUI' feature is enabled by plugging in keyboard with holding down Space and LGUI key. You could clear all of its configurations by plugin with holding Space and Backspace.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard#boot-magic-configuration---virtual-dip-switch

Many users had suffered from Boot Magic enabled unintentionally, Boot Magic have not been included in prebuilt firmware since Sep 2016.


I am experiencing something really strange.

I've used my keyboard a lot with the USB controller. All of a sudden, the CMD keys don't work. Any idea what that could be? How to solve it (probably re-flash)?

Update: re-flashed the controller, and it seems to work again. However, I'm still curious how it happened, and I would definitely like to avoid it in the future. Especially since I use it as my travel-keyboard. Any ideas? I have been plugging the keyboard into two different computers several times today, but I wouldn't think that should be an issue (I also believe I have done this many times before)?

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #623 on: Fri, 17 January 2020, 11:10:48 »
Hi everyone,

Just to check, is there a way to map the shift output of a key? For example, changing the output of shift+4 from ($) to () etc using TMK?

Many thanks,



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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #624 on: Sat, 18 January 2020, 10:01:29 »
Any plans for HHKB classic?

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #625 on: Sat, 18 January 2020, 17:13:28 »
Hi everyone,

Just to check, is there a way to map the shift output of a key? For example, changing the output of shift+4 from ($) to () etc using TMK?

Many thanks,

What's your OS and keyboard layout? And how do you input on your current evironment?

This may help.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/wiki/FAQ-Keymap#input-special-charactors-other-than-ascii-like-c%C3%A9dille-%C3%87

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #626 on: Sat, 18 January 2020, 17:18:48 »
Any plans for HHKB classic?

Maybe. I got one  and open it at least :D
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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #627 on: Mon, 10 February 2020, 05:06:54 »
Hasu is there any chance for a hhkb alt controller for the new hhkb version?

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #628 on: Mon, 10 February 2020, 21:29:18 »
Hasu is there any chance for a hhkb alt controller for the new hhkb version?

Yes, I have vague plan for Classic. I got a Classic and looke into its internals at least.
But I don't start designing controller yet and it will take long.

Fun fact, Classic hardware itself is already programmable, though not spported officially unlike Hybrid.
Hackers in keyboard community with some efforts may find way to program open source firmeware without hardware modification in the end.

This is pic album of internal of my Classic if you are interested.
https://imgur.com/a/p9dWvM0
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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #629 on: Tue, 11 February 2020, 08:04:54 »
Nice, Classic is exactly what I am waiting for.

As soon as it is possible to progamm the Classic I will buy one.

Thank you for the information.

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Re: [TMK] HHKB Alt Controller
« Reply #630 on: Tue, 11 February 2020, 12:49:47 »
What are the chances we can potentially reverse engineer the base firmware (now that you can program in windows using their tool) to be able to flash our own firmware? Or where could I go to maybe mess around with?