Author Topic: What is your favorite type of switch? (Read 13787 times)

msiegel · « **Reply #50 on:** Tue, 13 October 2009, 18:54:51 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;125118

alright so what is the terminology then

if there is none or we dont know it how about:
"outer cap" to describe what i was saying "there's no way" about, and
"inner stem sleeve" to describe what i think might actually stop the key (and what you seem to be talking about)

a taller "outer cap" should do nothing, as it should not matter.
a taller "inner stem sleeve" that covers more of the stem should actually prevent the switch from fully going down, reducing the throw, but hopefully not TOO much...
in which case, a "shorter" "keycap" would provide longer throw...

still extremely curious

EDIT and if the switch's internals actually stop the key, then any different results from the cap are purely placebo. your fingers might be starting out lower from the desk but they would move the same distance.

YES, this sounds right to me

timw4mail · « **Reply #51 on:** Tue, 13 October 2009, 19:18:18 »

Quote from: ripster;125128

Model Fs and Ms are different. One uses a capacitive switch and the other uses a membrane switch. That's why they should be separated in this poll.

Bwahahahahahahah!

And there are so many different types of Cherry MX switches, and even more ALPS switches. It's fair in that way.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #52 on:** Tue, 13 October 2009, 19:52:29 »

so all this, and no discovery?

if the inner stem sleeve is stopping a cherry from bottoming out, then filing it down (while retaining enough length to keep it in place) would give you more room to bottom out, but the same distance to actuation.

which would be awesome... what if they made a variant of the cherry switch, but with an inch-long stem, and a short enough inner stem sleeve... so that you basically CANNOT bottom out, but the switch still actuates at the same point. might feel awkward at first, but no more bottoming out, ever...

would be awful for games

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #53 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 08:01:09 »

so the keycaps cannot affect it at all.

right when i was going to bed i realized why it could NOT have been the "inner stem sleeve". imagine trying to put the caps back on after having removed them. the pressure would push the switch down, all the way, and you would never be able to get the cap fully 'on', because every time you tried you would just be pushing the switch in.

timw4mail · « **Reply #54 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 09:40:42 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;125237

so the keycaps cannot affect it at all.

Unless your keys are actually molded onto the switches, keys still do have an effect on feel:

- How much of the tactile point is obscured
- How smoothly the switch goes down, depending on the fit of the cap on the slider
- How much over-travel, until you hit the top of the switch casing

Keys have a very big impact on switch feel, its just difficult to quantitatively measure.

FourOhFour · « **Reply #55 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 15:22:37 »

My BS board came yesterday, and I replaced the rivets with screws (more than half of them were broken) today... now I just need a PS/2 adapter so I can actually use the damn thing.

But just from banging around on it, I think I'll be voting BS :-P
(And I thought people only voted for BS on the first tuesday after the first monday in november...)

timw4mail · « **Reply #56 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 15:39:28 »

Quote from: FourOhFour;125393

My BS board came yesterday, and I replaced the rivets with screws (more than half of them were broken) today... now I just need a PS/2 adapter so I can actually use the damn thing.

But just from banging around on it, I think I'll be voting BS :-P
(And I thought people only voted for BS on the first tuesday after the first monday in november...)

You seriously don't have a PS/2 port on your computer? Or is it a laptop?

ch_123 · « **Reply #57 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 15:41:11 »

He could be using one of them fancy Appletoshes.

FourOhFour · « **Reply #58 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 15:43:00 »

Quote from: timw4mail;125399

You seriously don't have a PS/2 port on your computer? Or is it a laptop?

It's a MacBook, so no... but neither does my brother's dell desktop.

itlnstln · « **Reply #59 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 15:49:57 »

PS/2 ports are pretty hit or miss these days. My 1 year old desktop has them, but my 2.5 year old laptop doesn't (the docking station does, though).

ch_123 · « **Reply #60 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 16:32:29 »

The real fun will happen when USB is replaced. And there's talk of technologies that could start to replace it within the next 5-10 years.

FourOhFour · « **Reply #61 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 17:09:05 »

Quote from: ch_123;125413

The real fun will happen when USB is replaced. And there's talk of technologies that could start to replace it within the next 5-10 years.

Eventually we'll need a string of adapters 5 deep to use a decent keyboard.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #62 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 18:17:13 »

USB 3.0 is backwards compatible. You can see where they just stuffed more pins in where it didn't affect the old design. So I think it's more likely that far far later, it still LOOKS like a USB plug, but has a ton more stuff inside. It with glow like a Toslink plug because of its optical connection, etc.

timw4mail · « **Reply #63 on:** Wed, 14 October 2009, 18:28:37 »

Quote from: FourOhFour;125425

Eventually we'll need a string of adapters 5 deep to use a decent keyboard.

It seems I have to use two for my Model F, as my main desktop can seem to power it through PS/2.

ch_123 · « **Reply #64 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 02:46:59 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;125446

USB 3.0 is backwards compatible. You can see where they just stuffed more pins in where it didn't affect the old design. So I think it's more likely that far far later, it still LOOKS like a USB plug, but has a ton more stuff inside. It with glow like a Toslink plug because of its optical connection, etc.

I wasn't talking about USB3, was moreso referring to Intel Light Peak and the like...

timw4mail · « **Reply #65 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 05:58:03 »

Quote from: ch_123;125524

I wasn't talking about USB3, was moreso referring to Intel Light Peak and the like...

Ugghhh... I'd rather have all my different types of cords.

itlnstln · « **Reply #66 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 08:05:50 »

Did someone recant their vote for BS? I swear BS had 12 votes yesterday.

timw4mail · « **Reply #67 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 08:06:46 »

Quote from: itlnstln;125573

Did someone recant their vote for BS? I swear BS had 12 votes yesterday.

You can't change your vote.

itlnstln · « **Reply #68 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 08:18:54 »

I didn't think so, but I swear BS had 12 votes yesterday. Oh well, no biggie.

ch_123 · « **Reply #69 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 09:05:54 »

Quote from: timw4mail;125547

Ugghhh... I'd rather have all my different types of cords.

Whyso?

ch_123 · « **Reply #70 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 09:08:36 »

Which reminds me, why did we need another one?

JBert · « **Reply #71 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 09:20:32 »

Well, with all the infighting and dubious fragmentation, the previous one wasn't really clear cut.
This one is more about different key designs rather than individual key switches (where the Alps would actually need a poll of themselves).

erricrice · « **Reply #72 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 09:54:36 »

Quote from: ripster;125601

ALPS polls are always easy. You only have 3 people. They can just PM each other.

Nah, I'm pretty sure we all agree with one another. Real Complicated white ALPS. Maybe somebody on fukkas but that's only because they feel like Real Complicateds lol.

itlnstln · « **Reply #73 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 10:41:57 »

Quote from: ripster;125609

The Fukka Tsunami ended up being a 3 inch wave.

Strong.

ch_123 · « **Reply #74 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 11:09:45 »

Quote from: ripster;125609

the fukka tsunami ended up being a 3 inch wave.

QFT

The Beam-Spring seems to be the hot switch of the season. Shame that only the most dedicated IBM hackers can really do anything with them.

itlnstln · « **Reply #75 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 11:30:25 »

Quote from: ripster;125657

That switch will also fade pretty quickly unless you can make it put a character onto a PC screen. I know, I'm picky.

Stop it. We can all pretend, can't we?

timw4mail · « **Reply #76 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 11:35:01 »

Quote from: ripster;125657

That switch will also fade pretty quickly unless you can make it put a character onto a PC screen. I know, I'm picky.

Seems like a legitimate complaint to me. I don't care if its the best switch that exists, because 1) It's too rare, and 2) It's too much work and research to get it to work with a modern computer.

ch_123 · « **Reply #77 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 13:21:06 »

Pfft. Come on folks, where is your sense of adventure?

Quote

I don't care if its the best switch that exists

FANBOI. I'm telling!

msiegel · « **Reply #78 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 13:23:20 »

yeah, some of us really like tech archaeology, reverse-engineering, and unique custom-made items...

JBert · « **Reply #79 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 13:23:31 »

Quote from: timw4mail;125660

Seems like a legitimate complaint to me. I don't care if its the best switch that exists, because 1) It's too rare, and 2) It's too much work and research to get it to work with a modern computer.

Well, the rarity kills it for me. I would like to get it to work should I have one though - at least it sounds challenging.

msiegel · « **Reply #80 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 13:33:54 »

patience, it's a really big mod

study, planning and design also playing major roles...

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #81 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 13:44:13 »

if i were to vote right now i would vote topre
but i shouldnt until i try blue and bs

FourOhFour · « **Reply #82 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 14:02:14 »

Well, I can finally use my BS board... and I'm voting BS. The Cherry keyswitches that are actually available in keyboards are too light, and the clears are only in one ugly and large keyboard.

itlnstln · « **Reply #83 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 14:04:32 »

Quote from: FourOhFour;125733

I'm voting BS.

Well, I'm calling BS. So there.

FourOhFour · « **Reply #84 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 14:07:55 »

Quote from: itlnstln;125736

Well, I'm calling BS. So there.

Oh? What's his phone number?

itlnstln · « **Reply #85 on:** Thu, 15 October 2009, 14:15:09 »

Bob Smith: 1-800-777-4886

PRISONER 24601 · « **Reply #86 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 03:55:18 »

Voted other because blue monterey are not up there.

Probably not my favorite switch forever, but right now they're a little ahead of cherry browns.

alipstadt · « **Reply #87 on:** Mon, 28 December 2009, 01:59:37 »

Well, now that someone revived this, I feel ok posting. Voted BS, but I can't say as I'm a fanatic.
BS by a hair, then Cherry Blue. Topre and Cherry Browns after that, but Topre much more. Do not like Cherry Blacks, even though I have a few. The last time I used ALPS was in the 80s, so I'm not sure I should comment.

I do so miss my Model F+PC/AT, though, lost to time, storage, and relocation...

Oqsy · « **Reply #88 on:** Mon, 28 December 2009, 02:22:46 »

my current fave is not on the list, so I voted Cherry ML just to be a troll

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