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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #450 on: Tue, 29 December 2015, 08:09:34 »
Today I received a new test case I asked the manufacturer (we are a bit late I know, but I really wanted to try a thing).

I'm typing on the whitefox since a couple of weeks now and it's absolutely divine, but I would have liked it to be few mm shorter in height so the wrists stay in a more natural position. Please note that we are in the "fanatic" field here, nobody would have probably noticed and the previous case was just fine... but now... ohmy. This is pure heaven. It's like orgasm for your fingers.

This is the case now (left) and before (right).

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This just to show you the level of maniacal research for perfection I'm putting into this thing.

I want to thank once again MD for accepting all my crazy last minute requests.


They'd better listen to you; because, it was this level of detail that makes this a successful drop.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #451 on: Tue, 29 December 2015, 13:51:11 »
Today I received a new test case I asked the manufacturer (we are a bit late I know, but I really wanted to try a thing).

I'm typing on the whitefox since a couple of weeks now and it's absolutely divine, but I would have liked it to be few mm shorter in height so the wrists stay in a more natural position. Please note that we are in the "fanatic" field here, nobody would have probably noticed and the previous case was just fine... but now... ohmy. This is pure heaven. It's like orgasm for your fingers.

This is the case now (left) and before (right).

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This just to show you the level of maniacal research for perfection I'm putting into this thing.

I want to thank once again MD for accepting all my crazy last minute requests.

Thank YOU! The lower the height the better, as you can always raise a keyboard (with feet, etc) but you cannot lower it :-)
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #452 on: Tue, 29 December 2015, 15:29:31 »
Forgot to mention, kudos for making the keyboard flat, not tilted like the MagicForce and most others. Some of us need keyboards to be flat, even with negative tilt sometimes. I place my keyboards as low as possible, and use them without feet.

Unrelated request: Would you be so kind and mention how many keys the keyboard has in the OP, for each layout ? It would be nice to easily refer to this info at a glance.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #453 on: Tue, 29 December 2015, 15:58:10 »
Forgot to mention, kudos for making the keyboard flat, not tilted like the MagicForce and most others. Some of us need keyboards to be flat, even with negative tilt sometimes. I place my keyboards as low as possible, and use them without feet.

Unrelated request: Would you be so kind and mention how many keys the keyboard has in the OP, for each layout ? It would be nice to easily refer to this info at a glance.


I also use negative tilt and it is very comfortable. That small detail alone alleviated an incipient case of carpal tunnel syndrome.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #454 on: Tue, 29 December 2015, 20:01:03 »
Got some White Fox pixel art made in case anyone wants it.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #455 on: Wed, 30 December 2015, 01:01:22 »
Got some White Fox pixel art made in case anyone wants it.
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aaaaw! that is so lovely :)

Forgot to mention, kudos for making the keyboard flat, not tilted like the MagicForce and most others. Some of us need keyboards to be flat, even with negative tilt sometimes. I place my keyboards as low as possible, and use them without feet.

I was actually pondering to make the next run in just one chunk of aluminum (like the MagicForce), but your reasoning totally makes sense and being able to negative-tilt it is a huge plus.

Unrelated request: Would you be so kind and mention how many keys the keyboard has in the OP, for each layout ? It would be nice to easily refer to this info at a glance.

between 67 and 69 I believe. I'll post about it. I'm setting up a blog right now with everything about the whitefox (and other projects of mine)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #456 on: Wed, 30 December 2015, 01:31:46 »
You know what the best thing would be to add to this keyboard, right? Trackpoint. Maybe you should join forces with lowpoly :-)
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #457 on: Wed, 30 December 2015, 01:51:18 »
You know what the best thing would be to add to this keyboard, right? Trackpoint. Maybe you should join forces with lowpoly :-)

I'm not a huge fan of trackpoints especially those in the middle of the keyboard... I'm trying to find the right way to include a pointer device somehow. Maybe a small joypad to the upper right replacing the top-right key.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #458 on: Wed, 30 December 2015, 10:16:45 »
Hey Matt3o, congrats on the success of the MK.

I got mine in the second batch, is there a possibility that the 314 in the second batch can be delivered earlier since it was planned that 1000 would be for May and now theres 314?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #459 on: Wed, 30 December 2015, 10:38:29 »
You know what the best thing would be to add to this keyboard, right? Trackpoint. Maybe you should join forces with lowpoly :-)

I'm not a huge fan of trackpoints especially those in the middle of the keyboard... I'm trying to find the right way to include a pointer device somehow. Maybe a small joypad to the upper right replacing the top-right key.


I think most of the people will hesitate to drill a nice OG set just to fit around a track point in the middle of the keyboard. I am a long time user of Thinkpads and I have never got accustomed to use the track point only, while I use it with my Thinkpad when it is in its portable mode, I always look for a regular mouse to do heavy work. The entire idea of a track point as a mouse pointer is not as good as regular mice or pads.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #460 on: Wed, 30 December 2015, 12:56:27 »
Yes trackpoints are not good enough as a primary input device for heavy work, but their value lies in the fact they ARE in the middle of the keyboard so you don't have to move your hands away from the typing position if you want to move the pointer to click on something.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #461 on: Tue, 05 January 2016, 06:22:18 »
Got some White Fox pixel art made in case anyone wants it.
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I like how it looks more Aria than True Fox :p

Don't mind if I use it!

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #462 on: Sat, 09 January 2016, 03:02:11 »
Tried my hand in them again. Made each layout this time  ;)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #463 on: Sun, 10 January 2016, 07:33:26 »
Super nice pixelated layouts. Congratulations @starlordcoffee

About the height, this is super. Those details made the @Matt3o we love. We will follow you (the only thing I do not understand is that you do not like tactile switches much... )
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #464 on: Mon, 11 January 2016, 21:57:26 »
has the order for this already been put through ? i saw you said it would start before christmas.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #465 on: Tue, 12 January 2016, 01:50:46 »
has the order for this already been put through ? i saw you said it would start before christmas.

the gears already started spinning a long ago :)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #466 on: Wed, 13 January 2016, 11:10:05 »
the gears already started spinning a long ago :)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #467 on: Wed, 13 January 2016, 13:53:57 »
has the order for this already been put through ? i saw you said it would start before christmas.

the gears already started spinning a long ago :)

Do you think it would be possible to get production shots? Those would look awesome I think. Is there a place for updates?
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #468 on: Wed, 13 January 2016, 13:55:34 »
Do you think it would be possible to get production shots? Those would look awesome I think. Is there a place for updates?

I think this would be the place for updates. What sort of updates are you waiting on?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #469 on: Wed, 13 January 2016, 14:46:31 »
I'll post something regarding the development process in the coming days.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #470 on: Thu, 14 January 2016, 12:56:22 »
I'll post something regarding the development process in the coming days.

This is exciting. Hopefully the next time geekhack designs something like this I can get in on it :( so sad i missed the whitefox.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #471 on: Thu, 14 January 2016, 13:07:18 »
I'll post something regarding the development process in the coming days.

:( so sad i missed the whitefox.

Me too.   :'(
I was all on board and excited, but then holiday shopping got the best of me and had to bail at the last minute. Here's hoping there's a second round.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #472 on: Thu, 14 January 2016, 18:47:43 »
I'll post something regarding the development process in the coming days.

:( so sad i missed the whitefox.

Me too.   :'(
I was all on board and excited, but then holiday shopping got the best of me and had to bail at the last minute. Here's hoping there's a second round.

^ This. So sad I missed out.  :'(   ;_;
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #473 on: Thu, 14 January 2016, 22:37:23 »
I feel ya, I was unsure if it's what I wanted so I waited until the last day, and for some reason or another, I promptly forgot. =(

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #474 on: Fri, 15 January 2016, 04:55:26 »
Do you think it would be possible to get production shots? Those would look awesome I think. Is there a place for updates?

I think this would be the place for updates. What sort of updates are you waiting on?

I'm just generally really interested in technology etc. I'm thinking pictures of the PCB's during construction, milling of cases, moulding of keycaps... They would tell a great story, but I have no idea how realistic those things are.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #475 on: Fri, 15 January 2016, 07:12:07 »
Do you think it would be possible to get production shots? Those would look awesome I think. Is there a place for updates?

I think this would be the place for updates. What sort of updates are you waiting on?

I'm just generally really interested in technology etc. I'm thinking pictures of the PCB's during construction, milling of cases, moulding of keycaps... They would tell a great story, but I have no idea how realistic those things are.

Manufacturing facilities do not have staff in excess as to have someone taking pictures and Matt and MD personnel are too far from manufacturing sites as to document the processes, a shot or two maybe, but not an entire documentation.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #476 on: Fri, 15 January 2016, 07:52:13 »
Manufacturing facilities do not have staff in excess as to have someone taking pictures and Matt and MD personnel are too far from manufacturing sites as to document the processes, a shot or two maybe, but not an entire documentation.

Fair enough and I certainly understand. Merely wanted to say that that would be super cool.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #477 on: Wed, 20 January 2016, 18:10:59 »
Final iteration of the White Fox pixel art. IMO they look a lot cleaner now. Thanks jb1830 for helping with these.  :thumb:

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #478 on: Wed, 20 January 2016, 18:22:55 »
Final iteration of the White Fox pixel art. IMO they look a lot cleaner now. Thanks jb1830 for helping with these.  :thumb:

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I can't tell a difference from the last post, damn things are so tiny. :p

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #479 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 09:54:32 »

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Used!
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #480 on: Fri, 22 January 2016, 11:52:47 »
I published some more info about the development of the WhiteFox http://matt3o.com/whitefox-the-making-of/

Most of it is already available in the first post, but there are some additional nice curiosities you might be interested in.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #481 on: Fri, 22 January 2016, 13:47:46 »
I published some more info about the development of the WhiteFox http://matt3o.com/whitefox-the-making-of/

Most of it is already available in the first post, but there are some additional nice curiosities you might be interested in.

Nice post  :thumb: Thanks for sharing!

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #482 on: Fri, 22 January 2016, 14:01:20 »
I published some more info about the development of the WhiteFox http://matt3o.com/whitefox-the-making-of/

Most of it is already available in the first post, but there are some additional nice curiosities you might be interested in.

Very interesting. I remember how I originally found the Brownfox on DT, and it was what got me interested in building a keyboard.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #483 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 09:07:24 »
wow, the Whitefox looks great. Sorry for lazy question, but will be available to buy at any point from now?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #484 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 10:12:29 »
wow, the Whitefox looks great. Sorry for lazy question, but will be available to buy at any point from now?
Possibly q4 this year

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #485 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 10:55:06 »
wow, the Whitefox looks great. Sorry for lazy question, but will be available to buy at any point from now?
Possibly q4 this year

Yeh...

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #486 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 11:23:45 »
wow, the Whitefox looks great. Sorry for lazy question, but will be available to buy at any point from now?
Possibly q4 this year

Yeh...

Oh right. Thank you.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #487 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 17:06:14 »
Q4 is when you'd get it considering the usual 3 months production time. The drop might start earlier of course, but anyway that's mere speculation. We don't even know if we are actually going to run more.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #488 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 19:33:52 »
Q4 is when you'd get it considering the usual 3 months production time. The drop might start earlier of course, but anyway that's mere speculation. We don't even know if we are actually going to run more.

Some extra sales would not hurt the manufacturers.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #489 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 20:26:33 »
Q4 is when you'd get it considering the usual 3 months production time. The drop might start earlier of course, but anyway that's mere speculation. We don't even know if we are actually going to run more.

If anyone knows it should be you  :D

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #490 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 20:30:22 »
Q4 is when you'd get it considering the usual 3 months production time. The drop might start earlier of course, but anyway that's mere speculation. We don't even know if we are actually going to run more.

If anyone knows it should be you  :D

Tell that to Gateron and selling his caps. ;)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #491 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 04:50:06 »
Maybe I remember wrong, but I think it was said the WF would (legitimately) be available from taobao at some point.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #492 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 07:53:26 »
Maybe I remember wrong, but I think it was said the WF would (legitimately) be available from taobao at some point.

yes, that might happen. They asked for permission which we gave. That doesn't mean that I am getting anything from those sales, just that they will sell clones from China with our permission instead of sell anyway without our permission.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #493 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 08:57:43 »
Maybe I remember wrong, but I think it was said the WF would (legitimately) be available from taobao at some point.

yes, that might happen. They asked for permission which we gave. That doesn't mean that I am getting anything from those sales, just that they will sell clones from China with our permission instead of sell anyway without our permission.

Clones as in copies or clones as in genuine but not a GB format?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #494 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 09:00:15 »
technically the "WhiteFox" is just the one that I officially endorse. All others are clones.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #495 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 20:05:01 »
Is my understanding correct that like the Ergodox, all designs, specs, firmware, etc of the WhiteFox are public and open source?
If that's the case anyone can build them and sell without permission.

Now some open source software has some clauses that you are free to do whatever you wish, as long as you keep the original copyright notice so people can see where it was derived from. Is there such a clause with the WhiteFox , or can people sell it under a different name without any reference to the original name or creator?
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #496 on: Mon, 01 February 2016, 07:45:24 »
the board is open source and you can do whatever you want with it, but you can't sell it as officially endorsed by me or I:C or Massdrop.

meaning that I do not check on the production process of "clones" so you can't say that you are selling a WhiteFox, just a whitefox clone.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #497 on: Mon, 01 February 2016, 11:18:09 »
Man I wish I had gotten in on this drop now, especially with all of the new sets coming out having row compatibility (my original concern). Will be watching the aftermarket to try to snag one when the first batch gets shipped :p

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #498 on: Fri, 05 February 2016, 03:13:39 »
Matteo, you should make an advent calendar to the date of shipping :) Today I caught myself wistfully thinking about 2~months in the future.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #499 on: Fri, 05 February 2016, 06:30:10 »
Matteo, you should make an advent calendar to the date of shipping :) Today I caught myself wistfully thinking about 2~months in the future.
The waiting is the hardest part. :)