Strawpoll about K3KC

[00zeRO]

Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps.  Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.

Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html

It's not quite that easy.  Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.

Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable.  US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable.  Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material.  Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.

http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf

Items include

• 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
• 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
• 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
• 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
• 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
• 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements

So, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those.  If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem.  If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.

And then there is Trademark...

[riotonthebay]

I'm sort of confused why anyone debates this stuff. K3KC's intent is to profit off of the work of members of our community, and while he has the means to make original designs, he chooses to make copies or obvious derivatives in order to maximize his own profit and as a personal insult to other artisans (see: his interactions with Bro Caps). This makes him a ****wad and a bad person, and objectively so.

I'm not in the habit of supporting ****wads and bad people, and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.

[livingspeedbump]

and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.

That's a little silly. We all purchase things in some form or another that we are ill informed on, or do things that we don't fully think through. I'm sure half the people here complaining about him have illegally downloaded music or movies, or bought knockoffs of some product knowing it was a knockoff, etc.

[baldgye]

and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.

That's a little silly.

woah m8, you bringin out the strong language

[FLFisherman]

and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.

That's a little silly.

That's not very nice...

[riotonthebay]

and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.

That's a little silly. We all purchase things in some form or another that we are ill informed on, or do things that we don't fully think through. I'm sure half the people here complaining about him have illegally downloaded music or movies, or bought knockoffs of some product knowing it was a knockoff, etc.

You're right, of course we all partake in a bit of hypocrisy, knowingly and unknowingly, and I have no issues with the folks that are ill-informed. But we're not operating in the highly saturated market of handbags, as evidenced by the success of numerous other artisans. We're speaking of someone who has the capacity to create and market novel products and instead chooses not to. I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I call everyone who supports him a ****wad, but let's not pretend he's the Little Guy sticking it to the Big Corporation.

[baldgye]

and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.

That's a little silly. We all purchase things in some form or another that we are ill informed on, or do things that we don't fully think through. I'm sure half the people here complaining about him have illegally downloaded music or movies, or bought knockoffs of some product knowing it was a knockoff, etc.

You're right, of course we all partake in a bit of hypocrisy, knowingly and unknowingly, and I have no issues with the folks that are ill-informed. But we're not operating in the highly saturated market of handbags, as evidenced by the success of numerous other artisans. We're speaking of someone who has the capacity to create and market novel products and instead chooses not to. I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I call everyone who supports him a ****wad, but let's not pretend he's the Little Guy sticking it to the Big Corporation.

tbh comparing music piracy to kck3 is like comparing me and my brother fighting to the war in Iraq...

[romevi]

and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.

That's a little silly. We all purchase things in some form or another that we are ill informed on, or do things that we don't fully think through. I'm sure half the people here complaining about him have illegally downloaded music or movies, or bought knockoffs of some product knowing it was a knockoff, etc.

You're right, of course we all partake in a bit of hypocrisy, knowingly and unknowingly, and I have no issues with the folks that are ill-informed. But we're not operating in the highly saturated market of handbags, as evidenced by the success of numerous other artisans. We're speaking of someone who has the capacity to create and market novel products and instead chooses not to. I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I call everyone who supports him a ****wad, but let's not pretend he's the Little Guy sticking it to the Big Corporation.

tbh comparing music piracy to kck3 is like comparing me and my brother fighting to the war in Iraq...

Oh, my gosh! Thanks for all your service!

[Niomosy]

I'm sort of confused why anyone debates this stuff. K3KC's intent is to profit off of the work of members of our community, and while he has the means to make original designs, he chooses to make copies or obvious derivatives in order to maximize his own profit and as a personal insult to other artisans (see: his interactions with Bro Caps). This makes him a ****wad and a bad person, and objectively so.

I'm not in the habit of supporting ****wads and bad people, and anyone who is is either ill-informed or is also a ****wad and a bad person.

Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps.  Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.

Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html

It's not quite that easy.  Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.

Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable.  US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable.  Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material.  Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.

http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf

Items include

• 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
• 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
• 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
• 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
• 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
• 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements

So, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those.  If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem.  If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.

And then there is Trademark...

True, but trademarks are rather limited.  Still of concern, though.

Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps.  Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.

Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html

It's not quite that easy.  Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.

Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable.  US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable.  Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material.  Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.

http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf

Items include

• 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
• 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
• 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
• 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
• 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
• 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements

So, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those.  If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem.  If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.

And then there is Trademark...

Absolutely.  I think that one gets forgotten or lumped in with copyright in many cases.  I know I've been guilty of the latter.

[HoffmanMyster]

Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps.  Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.

Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html

It's not quite that easy.  Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.

Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable.  US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable.  Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material.  Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.

http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf

Items include

• 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
• 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
• 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
• 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
• 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
• 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements

So, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those.  If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem.  If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.

Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... 

We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.

[nubbinator]

Hoff, art is hard.

[trizkut]

Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps.  Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.

Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html

It's not quite that easy.  Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.

Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable.  US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable.  Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material.  Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.

http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf

Items include

• 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
• 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
• 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
• 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
• 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
• 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements

So, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those.  If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem.  If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.

Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... 

We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.

His new thing seems to be making poorly-crafted replicas of teaser pics bro has posted and trying to "beat Bro to the market"

[Michael]

"beat Bro the the market"

[Niomosy]

Honestly, I care only if he's taking copyright protected sculpted caps.  Copies of stuff that's not copyright protected are of no concern to me.

Oh, good, so you do care - because "Copyright is automatically granted to the author of an original work". 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States
http://www.copyrightkids.org/copyrightbasics.html

It's not quite that easy.  Leave it to lawyers to ensure it's more complicated than that.

Copyright is only granted to those things that are copyrightable.  US copyright law explicitly spells out things that are not copyrightable.  Please see section 906 - uncopyrightable material.  Here, let me link straight to the US copyright site itself.

http://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf

Items include

• 906.1 - Common geometric shapes
• 906.2 - Familiar symbols and designs
• 906.3 - Colors, coloring, and coloration
• 906.4 - Typeface, lettering, etc.
• 906.5 - Spatial format and layout
• 906.8 - Functional and Useful elements

So, again, if there's copyright infringement going on, I'll avoid those.  If there is sufficient differentiation in product that a legal claim fails or would fail, I've no problem.  If the original item receives no copyright, I've also got no problem with it being copied.

Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... 

We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.

Apologies, Hoff, I've been delved into researching copyright a bit lately and the, "automatic copyright" statement from you threw me off on that tangent.

That said, so we're clear, I'm of the opinion that he's violating on a number of caps that I've seen from him but I didn't get to heavily browse and compare last night and can't seem to get to his site at work.  However, I did notice some caps that, even if they aren't his, would not be protected because of the noted restrictions.  It's only a few but I did catch notice of them.

For the clacks clones?  I believe you are correct in that they're in violation of copyright.  They appear to be exact replicas and K3 even admits to such in the interview done with him a while back.

[nubbinator]

Don't call them clones, call them what they are, counterfeits.  It's a semantic statement, but one that drives home that he's stealing the work of another.

[Vox_PT]

"beat Bro the the market"

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Ikr. Top K3k indeed. (see what I did there?)

Your new avatar reminds me of the lerminnatteys. It's a little frightening...

[HoffmanMyster]

Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... 

We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.

Apologies, Hoff, I've been delved into researching copyright a bit lately and the, "automatic copyright" statement from you threw me off on that tangent.

That said, so we're clear, I'm of the opinion that he's violating on a number of caps that I've seen from him but I didn't get to heavily browse and compare last night and can't seem to get to his site at work.  However, I did notice some caps that, even if they aren't his, would not be protected because of the noted restrictions.  It's only a few but I did catch notice of them.

For the clacks clones?  I believe you are correct in that they're in violation of copyright.  They appear to be exact replicas and K3 even admits to such in the interview done with him a while back.

He's copied Clacks and BroBots, and has original sculpts of the wolf and monster vag (Dota cap).  Then he copied Bro's Cherokey and perhaps a couple others I've missed, but AFAIK those were copied based on photos and not 1 for 1 sculpts.

Far and away, the most commonly sold K3 caps are counterfeits.  And he did it with the intention of pissing people off and making money.

As long as people are aware of that, they are free to make their own moral choices, I just want it to be clear who they're dealing with. 

[MAR82]

has original sculpts of the wolf

Are you talking about the squirrel from Ice Age looking thing?

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[HoffmanMyster]

has original sculpts of the wolf

Are you talking about the squirrel from Ice Age looking thing?

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LOL I hadn't made that connection  xD  Yes, it was the squirrely thing. 

[Niomosy]

Right. And since artisan caps are none, of those... 

We're talking about a guy taking a sculpted cap and making a 1 for 1 exact copy. I'm not sure why you keeping speaking in terms of "if". He is.

Apologies, Hoff, I've been delved into researching copyright a bit lately and the, "automatic copyright" statement from you threw me off on that tangent.

That said, so we're clear, I'm of the opinion that he's violating on a number of caps that I've seen from him but I didn't get to heavily browse and compare last night and can't seem to get to his site at work.  However, I did notice some caps that, even if they aren't his, would not be protected because of the noted restrictions.  It's only a few but I did catch notice of them.

For the clacks clones?  I believe you are correct in that they're in violation of copyright.  They appear to be exact replicas and K3 even admits to such in the interview done with him a while back.

He's copied Clacks and BroBots, and has original sculpts of the wolf and monster vag (Dota cap).  Then he copied Bro's Cherokey and perhaps a couple others I've missed, but AFAIK those were copied based on photos and not 1 for 1 sculpts.

Far and away, the most commonly sold K3 caps are counterfeits.  And he did it with the intention of pissing people off and making money.

As long as people are aware of that, they are free to make their own moral choices, I just want it to be clear who they're dealing with. 

Agreed that he's got a majority of caps that are counterfeits from what I saw.  The ones I could note off the top of my head were the CC fakes, the Indian chief, and the wolf with the CC fakes being the vast majority of what I saw on the site.  It's a shame, too, as the guy could be putting those production capabilities to better use with unique ideas.

[keshley]

Hmm. this thread is still active...

The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.

[FLFisherman]

Hmm. this thread is still active...

The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.

Well it's active now because you posted in it. -_-

[nubbinator]

Hmm. this thread is still active...

The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.

He's selling them to the US and Europe, they apply.  We also have copyright treaties that apply.

Even If they didn't, you cannot argue that he's ethical.

Why so people try so hard to justify this *******?  There must be a lot of entitled people out there.

[keshley]

Hmm. this thread is still active...

The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.

Well it's active now because you posted in it. -_-

Whoops, misread the timestamp...

Move along, move along, nothing to see here.

[Niomosy]

Hmm. this thread is still active...

The copyright argument is a strawman argument: not all countries have the same copyright laws found in North America, or the UK, etc.

There are variances in copyright protection from country to country but the Bern convention covers a lot of ground in terms of international copyright agreements.  Vietnam has signed the convention - I believe K3 is based out of Vietnam. 

For a basic read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention
For an in-depth read from the official WIPO source: http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/text.jsp?file_id=283698

[baldgye]

Oh cool it's Wikipedia lawyer time!

[Niomosy]

Oh cool it's Wikipedia lawyer time!

Hey, now.  I've only linked once to Wikipedia

[whentheclouds]

lol baldgye has the funniest posts on this forum. i love british humor

[MeltingTeeth]

Massdrop violates copyrights all the time.

It MUST be OK.



 

[Michael]

Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........


http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg

[baldgye]

Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........


http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg

Nah I think you made the fake ones, hence the name, this guys fighting justice

[nubbinator]

Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........


http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg

And now he's stealing from Hammer.  Glad to see such a classy dude.  Wonder how his fans on Reddit will defend this one, especially since the Hammer cap GBs have been held the same way as HKP's, whom they also love to circlejerk around and hold as an example of someone who uses the one true way to hold a cap buy.

Edited for clarity.  It was a little dense.

[MAR82]

Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........


http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg

And now he's stealing from Hammer.  Glad to see such a classy dude.  Wonder how his fans on Reddit will defend this one, especially since the Hammer cap GBs have been held the same way as HKP that they also love to circlejerk around and hold as the one true way to hold a cap buy.

No idea, but I'm sure they will find a way. They praise him...
Maybe they'll say some BS like I want one and I want one now 

[Michael]

Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........


http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg

And now he's stealing from Hammer.  Glad to see such a classy dude.  Wonder how his fans on Reddit will defend this one, especially since the Hammer cap GBs have been held the same way as HKP that they also love to circlejerk around and hold as the one true way to hold a cap buy.

No idea, but I'm sure they will find a way. They praise him...
Maybe they'll say some BS like I want one and I want one now 

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Yeah, when k3 and the admin of vnmk (pictured in the green shirt) and vnmkfb are best friends IRL, you can rest easy knowing there are no
people with ethics involved there.

[FLFisherman]

Today I learned that I made hellboy keycaps........


http://i.imgur.com/y76ZFcn.jpg

And now he's stealing from Hammer.  Glad to see such a classy dude.  Wonder how his fans on Reddit will defend this one, especially since the Hammer cap GBs have been held the same way as HKP that they also love to circlejerk around and hold as the one true way to hold a cap buy.

No idea, but I'm sure they will find a way. They praise him...
Maybe they'll say some BS like I want one and I want one now 

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Yeah, when k3 and the admin of vnmk (pictured in the green shirt) and vnmkfb are best friends IRL, you can rest easy knowing there are no
people with ethics involved there.

That's a pretty nice keyboard layout though.  :(

[Halverson]

I want all the fake brocap hammer fake keycaps, kkkkkkrabby patty.

[azhdar]

But bro there's not enough of them made
/s

[Michael]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

[FLFisherman]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

It's interesting that it's Korean spam considering how accepting the community is of Korean copycat products.

[HoffmanMyster]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators.  -_-

[MAR82]

ripster seems to have really pissed someone off

It wouldn't be the first time, nor the last 

[nubbinator]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

But I thought spam was ok on r/mk.

[whmeltonjr]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators.  -_-

Really? Wouldn't you much rather be a moderator on the largest mechanical keyboard community on the planet than here at geekwhack?

/s 

[romevi]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators.  -_-

Really? Wouldn't you much rather be a moderator on the largest mechanical keyboard community on the planet than here at geekwhack?

/s 

top kek

[HoffmanMyster]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators.  -_-

Really? Wouldn't you much rather be a moderator on the largest mechanical keyboard community on the planet than here at geekwhack?

/s 

We actually have very comparable numbers of active/regular users. 

[azhdar]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

Wow, I do not envy the r/mk moderators.  -_-

Really? Wouldn't you much rather be a moderator on the largest mechanical keyboard community on the planet than here at geekwhack?

/s 

We actually have very comparable numbers of active/regular users. 

I don't think GH has this kind of number. /r/mk is clearly a bigger community.
/s

[FLFisherman]

We actually have very comparable numbers of active/regular users. 

That I agree with. Reddit is interesting in that you can subscribe to a lot of subreddits that you're only just a little interested in (which I do as well). I'll bet a significant number of subscribers are just there to look at the pictures and "ooo" and "aaa" over keyboards, which is great! It's just a little difficult to compare Geekhack and /r/MechanicalKeyboards because of this.

I like them both. =D

Deskthority is the one I couldn't get into. The layout seems too 90s forum.

[sncbraxsc2]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

But I thought spam was ok on r/mk.

It is! I could barely see the "Which is the best mechanical for gaming but also for typing" posts

[FLFisherman]

On a side note, ripster seems to have really pissed someone off lulz

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/new/

But I thought spam was ok on r/mk.

It is! I could barely see the "Which is the best mechanical for gaming but also for typing" posts

I feel bad for those guys, so I always try to give a decent answer, but I want to start telling that buckling springs are the way to go.

[DanielT]

Deskthority is the one I couldn't get into. The layout seems too 90s forum.

That is camo We're a select club with hidden treasures