[IC] Clicky Zealio with a twist

[Zeal]

Hey guys, me again. 

Just wanted to gauge interest on how many people would be interested in a new clicky switch? It's not going to resemble anything close to what Cherry or Gateron has to offer. I'm planning to exhume the Aristotle stem from its grave and making some slight modifications to it to make it into a modern Zealio switch. From preliminary testing, the click is crisper, and the tactile position is higher than Cherry -- almost like Alps. The clicky sound is also louder than Cherry/Gateron Blues (without the high pitched plasticky sound) and gets even louder with a thick keycap ontop.

What makes the stem different is that the clicky slider runs on the INSIDE of the stem sliders, unlike Cherry/Kailh/Gateron/etc. This gives it a lot more of a tactile feel than current MX compatible clicky switches.

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Pic dump. Every pic in here is a macro shot, enlarge to your heart's content.



Slider within a slider. Sliderception?




Dat bump doe. Just imagine a way more tactile MX Blue!




Due to the Aristotle slider design, I had to level it with some business cards . Here you can see the tactile bump is larger and higher than those of MX Blues.


MX Blue's click slider goes on the outside. Aristotles on the inside.









Sound comparison (that moment when you raise iso to 2000 for a vid ):

"Esc", "Q", "A" are Gateron Greens with blue springs
"1", "W", "S", "X" are Gateron Blues with clear tops
"2", "3", "4", "5", "E", "R", "T", "Y", "D", "F", "G", "H", "C", "V", "B", "N" are 65g Aristotle Zealios
"6", "7", "8", "9" are a quieter batch of MX Blues
"U", "I", "O", "P", "J", "K", "L", ";", "M", ",", ".", "/" are a clicky batch of MX Blues.

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If you're interested, I'd love to hear your comments!

[exitfire401]

I'd be interested in a board's worth if for no other reason than to say I've tried them

[Elrick]

Definitely worth purchasing, when you have them available  .

Nice to see further development of the humble Cherry Switch, into something ........ better.

[KnivesM]

I'd buy a boards worth at least to try them.

[Karura]

I'm interested, had the pleasure of hearing these in person at Zeal's office, and I am impressed.

Zeal is a very cool guy that comes up with very interesting offerings for the community, and I'm glad we get along well.

[nmur]

louder than Cherry/Gateron Blues

oh man

sounds very interesting and I love that you're thinking outside the square once more

a comparison photo with a regular stem might help too

[KatzenKinder]

I have an interest

[Jokrik]

holy ****

pleaseeee...........

[rm-rf]

I have also been experimenting with these!
I can confirm the sound is quite nice.
If you can get a better housing, and make keys fit more snug on these...
I am definitely in.
or ever better yet, make a few switch types with different frequencies on clicks,
IE: color A is high pitch and crisp, and color B has a more low and deep click sound.

as much as I enjoy a clicking keyboard, there are only so many options readily available on the market.
cherry for example there is only one sound for click switches.

maybe in the future, there is a small market for people who want their keyboard clicking to sound a specific way...
and once again i'm rambling on, i'l stop now.

[Thumper_]

I would really love them because of the sound, but I can't stand switches with a bump :/
None the less, I might buy one for ESC ,'

[LeandreN]

Damn Zeal! I will definetily buy.

[gadzkun]

buy it for sure CLICKY hack yeah!!

[Zorberema]

Interested!

[t8c]

 

Or ever better yet, make a few switch types with different frequencies on clicks,
IE: color A is high pitch and crisp, and color B has a more low and deep click sound.

Excellent suggestion to a great initiative!

[UTEster750]

Oooh these sound like they could be awesome!

[Lepidus]

hype incoming

[jaffers]

I'd like to try them. Maybe with very heavy spring

[swimmingbird]

Look interesting

[Dernubenfrieken]

Definitely interested, gotta catch em all right?

[VinnyCordeiro]

Count me in.

[dgneo]

IN for this!

[raymogi]

Yes please!

[Latin00032]

I'd like the switch to be louder. I'd also like it to be more tactile than cherry.

The problem is many cherry/gateron/etc click switches feel clunky when using them at times.

[qwack]

I am still hoping that someone will make a "stock" Jailhouse Blue (so, no click, high tactile point) at some point but this one sure looks interesting!

[SL89]

Would it be possible to allow for a version that comes close to Greens or Clicky Greys even?

[olijuice]

I would be interested in some.

[nickheller]

I was able to try this stem out in a zealio housing with a 65g spring, the switch felt and sounded great. I am very interested in these!

[romevi]

Ja, bitte.

[E3E]

And here I am scrounging for vintage MX whites to transfer into my linear zealios so I could have a translucent clicky switch. Is this proposed clicky variant also going to retain the translucent stem color, Zeal? I'm definitely down for these if so (I know, it sounds like such a trivial aspect--don't worry, I definitely don't EXPECT anything).

Either way, I'm diggin' the sound of this switch.

[FLFisherman]

I'm all in for some new clicks on the market.

[zhihuichan]

Sounds like white switch from Taipei

[cryptokey]

I am ready to further annoy my roommates 

[Hypersphere]

Interested, especially if it is closer to Alps than to Cherry.

[ideus]

Interested:

• Inject the stem sliders with a nice new plastic color.
• Make the fit of stems and caps tighter.
• Make the housing tighter.
• Make the bottom more heat resistant even if they were not transparent.
• Offer a selection of spring modules.
• Keep the cost competitive.

Note: I have found that Gaterons, including Zealios, bottoms have smaller holes for the LEDs that do not allow dip sockets to pass through, could you fix that in this run?

[KetchyKech]

super duper interested! tactiles on tactiles 

[ccarlitos2]

This sounds interesting! I would love to get at least a boards worth. Especially if the casing is translucent like the original zealios.

[apolotary]

Count me in!

Speaking of the ALPS comparison, how clacky are they going to be? Because Matias clickly switches had so much clack that it went from enjoyable to plain annoying real quick.

Also curious if it's possible to reproduce that shallow clicky feel of a buckling spring keyboard

[ImAWildDeer]

I'd be down for at least a boards worth.

[HoffmanMyster]

Definitely interested. Clicky switches are in my regular rotation, so I'd love to see how these stack up. 

[theanyday]

Loves me some clicky so I'd get a boards worth too. 

[Lurch]

yes. I have one of these switches and they are delightfully clicky. I would love to try a full board of them

[Steezus]

I'm all about the tactility, you can count me in.

[ika]

It's intriguing. I'd be interested pending 1) comparison videos to, ideally, MX blue and some type of Alps switch (preferably Matias QC and click), and 2) some kind of info on how the switch actuates, and 3) price.


EDIT: found a typing vid of a Chicony 5191 and it sounds really interesting, count me in if they're not too expensive!

[3K]

Now the most important question: What color will the new stem be? I vote for pink. :3

[ccc24]

haven't had a chance to put my purples on a board yet but i'm definitely interested in your version of the white/Aristotle switch. As far as i know mx white is both clicky and tactile correct?

[Zeal]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:



I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

[3K]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

Tealios.

[E3E]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

Tealios.

THIS.

Tealios or Celestios. Gotta keep the eeo vibe. :P

[ccarlitos2]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

Tealios.

WINNER!!!

[CPTBadAss]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

I'm interested in trying any new switches out. Count me in XD. Call it PMS1837.

[ika]

I like the sound of Celeste Click.


EDIT: nvm 3K wins.

[ideus]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

Mint Bubble Gum?

[Zeal]

I have also been experimenting with these!
I can confirm the sound is quite nice.
If you can get a better housing, and make keys fit more snug on these...
I am definitely in.
or ever better yet, make a few switch types with different frequencies on clicks,
IE: color A is high pitch and crisp, and color B has a more low and deep click sound.

as much as I enjoy a clicking keyboard, there are only so many options readily available on the market.
cherry for example there is only one sound for click switches.

maybe in the future, there is a small market for people who want their keyboard clicking to sound a specific way...
and once again i'm rambling on, i'l stop now.

Ah, so you're one of the few that ordered the aristotles. The housing will use the transparent ones (or milky bottom for factory production). Housing is a lot better than the original Aristotle. The stem cross will be widened a tiny bit like current gen Zealios.

Regarding the pitches and frequencies, I don't think that's feasible at this moment, as it would require different moulds. Keycap thickness and material already make quite an impact on the click sound.

I'd like to try them. Maybe with very heavy spring

Will most likely be manufactured with my current line of 62(maybe)/65/67g springs.

I'd like the switch to be louder. I'd also like it to be more tactile than cherry.

The problem is many cherry/gateron/etc click switches feel clunky when using them at times.

This stem inside a Zealio housing sounds crisper, louder, and more tactile than current MX clicky switch offerings.

Interested:

• Inject the stem sliders with a nice new plastic color.
• Make the fit of stems and caps tighter.
• Make the housing tighter.
• Make the bottom more heat resistant even if they were not transparent.
• Offer a selection of spring modules.
• Keep the cost competitive.

Note: I have found that Gaterons, including Zealios, bottoms have smaller holes for the LEDs that do not allow dip sockets to pass through, could you fix that in this run?

Plastic slider colour has been posted below.
Stem cross will use same thickness as current Zealios.
Top & bottom housing for Zealios are quite tight already.
Heat resistant bottom would be reserved for factory wave soldering editions. I've already discussed the chattering issue, and Gateron have already studied the issue and will be addressing it for R2.
Springs will most likely remain at the current "ergo" offerings.
Pricing would most likely be the same as R1 Zealios.
I'm not too sure what you mean about the dip sockets. I've inserted SIP sockets (without the black housing) into Zealios and they fit fine [some ppl have said that they can even include the black housing]. Mind passing on a picture? 

Count me in!

Speaking of the ALPS comparison, how clacky are they going to be? Because Matias clickly switches had so much clack that it went from enjoyable to plain annoying real quick.

Also curious if it's possible to reproduce that shallow clicky feel of a buckling spring keyboard

I'll try to get sound recordings soon. I don't have any Matias switches laying around though.

It's intriguing. I'd be interested pending 1) comparison videos to, ideally, MX blue and some type of Alps switch (preferably Matias QC and click), and 2) some kind of info on how the switch actuates, and 3) price.


EDIT: found a typing vid of a Chicony 5191 and it sounds really interesting, count me in if they're not too expensive!

Will make a video/sound recording hopefully soon. Price will most likely be the same as R1 Zealios.

The chicony video shouldn't be used to compare to these switches as the sound is completely different. Plain Aristotles also feel nothing like this particular switch.

haven't had a chance to put my purples on a board yet but i'm definitely interested in your version of the white/Aristotle switch. As far as i know mx white is both clicky and tactile correct?

MX Whites are supposed to have a muted click. Yes, they are tactile and clicky (as are all clicky switch offerings)

[Lepidus]

Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?

[Zeal]

Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?

Adding that would mean no SIP sockets, or anything to hold the LED legs "straight". My transparent bottom housing mould also can't add that (you can only add more holes to a mould, making something bigger, but can't remove plastic which requires metal in place of it). I think Gateron has a milky bottom one that uses SMD holes though...

[mashby]

I'm in.

[fliptrik]

Tealios would be hella dope. I'd be in for a hundred or so.

[ika]

Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?

Adding that would mean no SIP sockets, or anything to hold the LED legs "straight". My transparent bottom housing mould also can't add that (you can only add more holes to a mould, making something bigger, but can't remove plastic which requires metal in place of it). I think Gateron has a milky bottom one that uses SMD holes though...

AFAIK Gateron does - for Massdrop's Team Wolf drop, they included Gateron switches that were compatible with SMD RGB resistors.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/team-wolf-swappable-switch-mechanical-keyboard

Not sure how compatible they are with regular LEDs, though, or even what the SMD compatible portion looks like.

[ideus]

I do not know how to put it, but this pictures shows the sip sockets in a Cherry bottom, the same that do not fit inside the holes of a Zealio bottom.

[Zeal]

Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?

Adding that would mean no SIP sockets, or anything to hold the LED legs "straight". My transparent bottom housing mould also can't add that (you can only add more holes to a mould, making something bigger, but can't remove plastic which requires metal in place of it). I think Gateron has a milky bottom one that uses SMD holes though...

AFAIK Gateron does - for Massdrop's Team Wolf drop, they included Gateron switches that were compatible with SMD RGB resistors.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/team-wolf-swappable-switch-mechanical-keyboard

Not sure how compatible they are with regular LEDs, though, or even what the SMD compatible portion looks like.

Yeah, I've seen that post. Unsure what it looks like at the bottom, or how it would affect the structural integrity of the switch when pulling out of a plate.

I do not know how to put it, but this pictures shows the sip sockets in a Cherry bottom, the same that do not fit inside the holes of a Zealio bottom.

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From your picture, it looks like the legs are super fat for your SIP sockets...The SIPs I sell look like this (top one) and they fit and even have wiggle room.

[rm-rf]

I would just like to say thank you to zeal for getting this going, I am very excited.
I will make a comparison video later today for those who want to hear the difference.

[Steezus]

I do not know how to put it, but this pictures shows the sip sockets in a Cherry bottom, the same that do not fit inside the holes of a Zealio bottom.

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I agree with Zeal, pretty sure it has something to do with the sip sockets you're using. I have not experienced any problems with my Zealios and I have sip-socketed every board I've ever built. I found some options on Ebay that are in the U.S. and come faster if you're in a hurry but the benefit of Zeal's is that they come without the black housing. Also having the slightly longer legs is bonus as well. :thumb:

[skullydazed]

I've built a board with these. They're pretty nice, but definitely a little different from cherry MX.





They take a little getting used to. Mostly because I'm so used to cherry/gateron blue and these don't feel anything like it. Once you get used to it it's pretty nice.

[twiddle]

I'd definitely be interested in trying these out.

[Waateva]

Definitely want some Tealios action

[Steezus]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D

Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p

[user 18]

Potentially interested.

[mogo]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

Show Image

I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D

Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p

Gotta agree with Steez, "Teal Zealios" is a great because it lends itself to a colloquial name. Also, I'm 100% interested. Clicky switches are the best and I'll happily rock a full board of Tealios (I mean, I probably will. We'll see how much I like them compared to MX Milk).  :thumb:

[Zeal]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D

Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p

idk about you guys, but teal to me reminds me of:


And I'm trying to expand on the "Zealio" line. :(

Whereas the colour I've shown seems to be a mix of Celeste + Tiffany blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_cyan

[mashby]

The original iMac was in a blue-green color and it was called Bondi Blue. In fact, wikipedia redirects "bondi blue" to the page you just posted.

Just a thought.

[quake4mhg]

I like the tactile position is higher than Cherry. Interested

[FrostyToast]

I vote for Sifo soul pink or Sifo spirit blue.

[KaminKevCrew]

I'm definitely interested!!! Absolutely. Any chance of getting zealio style locking switches too? I'd love it if that was doable. I would buy a bunch of locks too!

I'm down for one or two hundred, assuming they're going to cost a similar amount to the purple/clear zealios.

I forsee a new switch maker in the next few years, Zeal!!!

[Steezus]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D

Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p

idk about you guys, but teal to me reminds me of:

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And I'm trying to expand on the "Zealio" line.

Whereas the colour I've shown seems to be a mix of Celeste + Tiffany blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_cyan

Hmmm, teal is definitely darker than what you're trying use. Definitely going to be trickier to come up with a name using Celeste or Tiffany Blue. Could always just go generic and call it Cyan Zealios just like the current Purple Zealios.

[E3E]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

Show Image

I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D

Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p

idk about you guys, but teal to me reminds me of:

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And I'm trying to expand on the "Zealio" line.

Whereas the colour I've shown seems to be a mix of Celeste + Tiffany blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_cyan

Hmmm, teal is definitely darker than what you're trying use. Definitely going to be trickier to come up with a name using Celeste or Tiffany Blue. Could always just go generic and call it Cyan Zealios just like the current Purple Zealios.

Zealestios, yo!

[romevi]

Since Gateron Yellows aren't as popular as they should be, you should create your own with a bolder yellow and call 'em Banana Zeals.

[Xonar]

If I could put Cyan Zealios in my Dolch PAC with a cyan-backlit Leeku PCB my life would be complete.

Totally in for a bunch of these switches no matter what color the stem ends up being. Still super happy with my 65g Purple Zealios so I'm excited for these! 

[KetchyKech]

Since Gateron Yellows aren't as popular as they should be, you should create your own with a bolder yellow and call 'em Banana Zeals.

+1 for yellows ;]~~~ though thats my fav color 

[iamtootallforthis]

I would be interested!

[katushkin]

Aqua is where it's at bro.

[nubbinator]

Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.

So far, the colour I have on mind is this:

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I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?

Will be answering some of the above Qs

I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D

Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p

idk about you guys, but teal to me reminds me of:

Show Image

And I'm trying to expand on the "Zealio" line.

Whereas the colour I've shown seems to be a mix of Celeste + Tiffany blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_cyan

Call them tzealios.  You know, teal, zeal, and a dash of tzar.

Also, it would be awesome to have two different colored parts.

[lukynumbrkevin]

That sounds like something I might be interested in! Cool idea!

[jerue]

I was hesitant, then I read 62g and 67g variations...yea, I will buy a few.

[pichu23]

Interested! I would want to swap out these Gateron Blacks for a small board and clicky ones for my tkl

[Zeal]

Pics/vid in progress...

[Xonar]

You know you da man, right Zeal? 

[mogo]

The original iMac was in a blue-green color and it was called Bondi Blue. In fact, wikipedia redirects "bondi blue" to the page you just posted.

Just a thought.

That's a tasty bit of trivia. Bondi Zealios is a bit inelegant though...

[Zeal]

Pictures complete, editing/cropping

In the meantime, here's a quick ms paint job~

[Zeal]

Pic dump. Every pic in here is a macro shot, enlarge to your heart's content.



Slider within a slider. Sliderception?




Dat bump doe. Just imagine a way more tactile MX Blue!




Due to the Aristotle slider design, I had to level it with some business cards . Here you can see the tactile bump is larger and higher than those of MX Blues.


MX Blue's click slider goes on the outside. Aristotles on the inside.









Sound comparison (that moment when you raise iso to 2000 for a vid ):

"Esc", "Q", "A" are Gateron Greens with blue springs
"1", "W", "S", "X" are Gateron Blues with clear tops
"2", "3", "4", "5", "E", "R", "T", "Y", "D", "F", "G", "H", "C", "V", "B", "N" are 65g Aristotle Zealios
"6", "7", "8", "9" are a quieter batch of MX Blues
"U", "I", "O", "P", "J", "K", "L", ";", "M", ",", ".", "/" are a clicky batch of MX Blues.

[gadzkun]

Pic dump. Every pic in here is a macro shot, enlarge to your heart's content.

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Slider within a slider. Sliderception?

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Dat bump doe. Just imagine a way more tactile MX Blue!

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Due to the Aristotle slider design, I had to level it with some business cards :P. Here you can see the tactile bump is larger and higher than those of MX Blues.

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MX Blue's click slider goes on the outside. Aristotles on the inside.

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Sound comparison (that moment when you raise iso to 2000 for a vid ):

"Esc", "Q", "A" are Gateron Greens with blue springs
"1", "W", "S", "X" are Gateron Blues with clear tops
"2", "3", "4", "5", "E", "R", "T", "Y", "D", "F", "G", "H", "C", "V", "B", "N" are 65g Aristotle Zealios
"6", "7", "8", "9" are a quieter batch of MX Blues
"U", "I", "O", "P", "J", "K", "L", ";", "M", ",", ".", "/" are a clicky batch of MX Blues.

wooooow THE SOUND REALLY CRISP! 
i remember the sound when i cut my nail! 

i want ittttt.....!!!

[Lepidus]

Pic dump. Every pic in here is a macro shot, enlarge to your heart's content.

"Esc", "Q", "A" are Gateron Greens with blue springs
"1", "W", "S", "X" are Gateron Blues with clear tops
"2", "3", "4", "5", "E", "R", "T", "Y", "D", "F", "G", "H", "C", "V", "B", "N" are 65g Aristotle Zealios
"6", "7", "8", "9" are a quieter batch of MX Blues
"U", "I", "O", "P", "J", "K", "L", ";", "M", ",", ".", "/" are a clicky batch of MX Blues.

That tactile bump is great! How do they compare to zealios/clears bump?

Btw, didnt even know gateron greens were a thing.

[qwack]

The bump is so thin, is there not a possibility for it to break or wear off?

[apolotary]

For anyone interested whether the usual Gateron housings will fit in with SMD LEDs, I did a short video with Zealios last week:

In short it works just fine, both with Cherry and Gateron, although that hotswappable board manual recommends using switches with thinner legs

[ideus]

For anyone interested whether the usual Gateron housings will fit in with SMD LEDs, I did a short video with Zealios last week:

In short it works just fine, both with Cherry and Gateron, although that hotswappable board manual recommends using switches with thinner legs

Interesting keyboard, I remember a GB for one.

[apolotary]

For anyone interested whether the usual Gateron housings will fit in with SMD LEDs, I did a short video with Zealios last week:

In short it works just fine, both with Cherry and Gateron, although that hotswappable board manual recommends using switches with thinner legs

Interesting keyboard, I remember a GB for one.

yup, it's the same keyboard from that GB!

Also sorry for the offtopic, but if anyone wants to swap in Zealio stems into Outemu switches, please don't. Turns out Outemus have marginally wider sliders which makes Zealios feel sticky all around :/

[harlw]

Definitely interested - i sure love the actuation point and tactile bump of Matias Quiets so anything that gets me closer to that sounds like a win.




*throws wallet at Zeal*

[wilarseny]

Interesting. The sound is not so different to me, though noticeableably not quite the same as blues - crisper but ultimately same pitch, etc. Blues started grating on me because they pinged with PBT caps and a metal plate - would be nice if these could avoid that.

I'd also really love to see a 78g or 85g option. I've been slowly working on putting 78g springs in some tactile zealios and am liking the feel so far.

[Zeal]

Interesting. The sound is not so different to me, though noticeableably not quite the same as blues - crisper but ultimately same pitch, etc. Blues started grating on me because they pinged with PBT caps and a metal plate - would be nice if these could avoid that.

I'd also really love to see a 78g or 85g option. I've been slowly working on putting 78g springs in some tactile zealios and am liking the feel so far.

Definitely harder to record the clicks off the built in mic on my camera. They do sound different so I'll try and get a better recording of it in a few days.

[trenzafeeds]

I would love some clicky switches that don't have the nasty cheap feeling of blues. I think a lot of what contributes to this is the wobble of the stem, which contributes to a flimsy feeling.

[livingspeedbump]

10/10 would buy already. 

[E3E]

This makes me curious to buy an old Chicony with Aristotles and swap the stems into some Gaterons/Zealios. Ultimately though, I was planning on using vintage MX whites in zealio housings for a nice translucent clicky switch. If aristotles can fit into Zealio housings, then I -MIGHT- go that route.

[Zeal]

This makes me curious to buy an old Chicony with Aristotles and swap the stems into some Gaterons/Zealios. Ultimately though, I was planning on using vintage MX whites in zealio housings for a nice translucent clicky switch. If aristotles can fit into Zealio housings, then I -MIGHT- go that route.

Aristotle stems get stuck in traditional gateron housings. Only the RGB clear top ones work.

[E3E]

This makes me curious to buy an old Chicony with Aristotles and swap the stems into some Gaterons/Zealios. Ultimately though, I was planning on using vintage MX whites in zealio housings for a nice translucent clicky switch. If aristotles can fit into Zealio housings, then I -MIGHT- go that route.

Aristotle stems get stuck in traditional gateron housings. Only the RGB clear top ones work.

Gotcha, so that is a go for use in your current Zealios, right?

[HoffmanMyster]

Wow those macro shots are great.    Definitely (still) interested. 

[Ashmon]

I would definitely be interested in a keyboards worth! I do have echo qwack's question? Cherry's click mechanism is constructed in a way that the plastic has to wear away before clicking tactile feel would fade. The mechanism on these seems rather thin. Is there a potential that this would would fail within a much smaller amount of time than something like the CherryMX Blues?

[Zeal]

I would definitely be interested in a keyboards worth! I do have echo qwack's question? Cherry's click mechanism is constructed in a way that the plastic has to wear away before clicking tactile feel would fade. The mechanism on these seems rather thin. Is there a potential that this would would fail within a much smaller amount of time than something like the CherryMX Blues?

I'm not sure if I follow. If you look at the Cherry blue leg, on one side it's actually thinner than the Aristotle legs. Of course, I'll make some modifications so that there isn't such a wide gap. Will definitely be discussing some design changes with Gateron.

[Ashmon]

My apologies, I am a linear guy my self, and I think I miss-read the actual tactile point that the slider interfaces with the switch gate as being the very bottom of the slider. Specifically the part that comes to a very sharp point. Images would make this more clear, but basically ignore my previous comment.

[potatowire]

I'm definitely in for a few hundred...

[amharris]

Lovely; just lovely.
Though, (regarding the video), I wouldn't mind the click having a lower tone to it, so that it isn't as piercing to the ears, given that it's louder that MX Blues already are.
Cheers.

[cjhard]

Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?

Adding that would mean no SIP sockets, or anything to hold the LED legs "straight". My transparent bottom housing mould also can't add that (you can only add more holes to a mould, making something bigger, but can't remove plastic which requires metal in place of it). I think Gateron has a milky bottom one that uses SMD holes though...

AFAIK Gateron does - for Massdrop's Team Wolf drop, they included Gateron switches that were compatible with SMD RGB resistors.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/team-wolf-swappable-switch-mechanical-keyboard

Not sure how compatible they are with regular LEDs, though, or even what the SMD compatible portion looks like.

Yeah, I've seen that post. Unsure what it looks like at the bottom, or how it would affect the structural integrity of the switch when pulling out of a plate.

I have some Cherry RGB switches from a redditor who very likely swapped in Zealio's.

The hole on the bottom is in the same location as the LED holes normally would be, and centered, but it is made to fit a 1.6mm LED, while the legs of through-hole LED's are slightly wider apart (2.54mm I think?).

You could in theory cut holes through the edges of the SMD hole to fit a TH LED inside the switch housing, or widen the SMD LED hole to 2x3mm to allow a whole 2x3x4mm LED fit through it instead of providing pin holes for the LED legs.

[switchnollie]

Very interested, been looking for some new clicky switches & should be able to pair these with your 135g springs for a good time

[hippo008]

im very interested in these.



Btw, any estimation on when those 62g purple stems are coming back in stock?

[E3E]

Also, with a name, just call them cyan Zealios, Zeal. Lol, I mean there's no special name for the linears or the purple Zealios! Cyan Zealios would be the most simplistic.

[ika]

I really like the characteristics of the click but personally I would prefer a lower pitch sound, like a "tak tak" or even "tok tok" instead of a "tik tik". Not sure if that's possible with the way the mechanism works. I'll probably grab enough for a 60% for experimentation.

[mogo]

Damn, that's one hell of a click! I still want them, but I'm certain this will be an alone-time board because if it's as loud and sharp as I think it is, they're set to be the most annoying switch to coworkers and loved ones yet.  Definitely want to see some decibel graphs in a comparison.

[Latin00032]

I feel like I'd need to hear these in person and feel them to know the difference.

[ideus]

I really like the characteristics of the click but personally I would prefer a lower pitch sound, like a "tak tak" or even "tok tok" instead of a "tik tik". Not sure if that's possible with the way the mechanism works. I'll probably grab enough for a 60% for experimentation.

I think the pitch may change a little depending on the plate where they were mounted, material and thickness, and on the housing used with the particular setup, at least I hope so, I do prefer lower pitch as well.

[trenzafeeds]

I really like the characteristics of the click but personally I would prefer a lower pitch sound, like a "tak tak" or even "tok tok" instead of a "tik tik". Not sure if that's possible with the way the mechanism works. I'll probably grab enough for a 60% for experimentation.

I think the pitch may change a little depending on the plate where they were mounted, material and thickness, and on the housing used with the particular setup, at least I hope so, I do prefer lower pitch as well.

Aluminum plate + closed case + thick abs/pbt (personally I prefer the thick abs sound) = lower switch sound.
A plastic plate with thicker abs will actually add a pleasing "thock" sound in my experience, which I find very pleasing.

[E3E]

I really like the characteristics of the click but personally I would prefer a lower pitch sound, like a "tak tak" or even "tok tok" instead of a "tik tik". Not sure if that's possible with the way the mechanism works. I'll probably grab enough for a 60% for experimentation.

I think the pitch may change a little depending on the plate where they were mounted, material and thickness, and on the housing used with the particular setup, at least I hope so, I do prefer lower pitch as well.

Aluminum plate + closed case + thick abs/pbt (personally I prefer the thick abs sound) = lower switch sound.
A plastic plate with thicker abs will actually add a pleasing "thock" sound in my experience, which I find very pleasing.

Dammit, I'm just gonna have to buy ALL the plate options for the Octagon v2 to figure out what I ultimately like the most w/ vintage whites in Zealio housings.

Oh well. It must be done.

Hmm, a plastic plate would be the easiest to mod for Alps...

[Hak Foo]

In my heart, I'm looking for White ALPS with an MX-compatible stem.  This looks closer than conventional Blues and Greens, but I'm still suspicious.

[sircheddar]

Sounds cool but I'm not a clicky guy...

[Jedi]

Gateron blues just don't do it for me, cherry blues I can tolerate, but Gateron blues sound like your typing on eggshells.  They're also too light.  I already am in for the purple tactile zealios but I'm wondering how far improved these aqua blue zealios are from the gateron blues.  Now if we're talking something near cherry white or cherry clear, then game on!

[skullydazed]

I feel like I'd need to hear these in person and feel them to know the difference.

If you happen to live in or near NorCal I'll be bringing my board to WASD on Jan 9.

[rm-rf]

sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.

[wilarseny]

sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.

Yo that second one sounds amaaaaazing. I thought I was out of the clicky game but if it sounds like that...

[E3E]

sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.

So the aristotles are higher pitched and sound more "ticky," not sure if I really like that sound. Though, like Alps, the magic MIGHT be in the bottom out. Now that I think about it, it is somewhat reminiscent of Alps in the click alone.

Your touch seemed very light and deliberate in not bottoming the switches out. How does the bottom out sound on aristotles?

[rm-rf]

sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.

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So the aristotles are higher pitched and sound more "ticky," not sure if I really like that sound. Though, like Alps, the magic MIGHT be in the bottom out. Now that I think about it, it is somewhat reminiscent of Alps in the click alone.

Your touch seemed very light and deliberate in not bottoming the switches out. How does the bottom out sound on aristotles?

its about the same as MX if not a bit more quiet.
the pitch of the click sound depends on the housing that is used.
different plastics different sound

[chilldude_22]

Looks like a really interesting concept. In for replacing my Gat blues.

[LeandreN]

I agree with E3E here, Cyan is the best color for these.

[Ngt]

Quite interesting indeed but being broken ATM, I'll pass. Thanks for the offer though.

[FrostyToast]

Make them yellow.
Call them cheerios.
Give me royalty because I'm brilliant.

[Rinsaku]

These sound pretty crispy! I'm def interested.

[meow a cat]

Interested if I can manage to scrounge up the cash!

Zeal was kind enough to send me a prototype awhile ago, and these switches feel awesome. Like the MX blue I always wanted.. closer to the tactility of an MX clear, with a deeper click that doesn't sound so plasticky.

[Lepidus]

Also, with a name, just call them cyan Zealios, Zeal. Lol, I mean there's no special name for the linears or the purple Zealios! Cyan Zealios would be the most simplistic.

Maybe Zealyan :V
You know, Zealio + Cyan, Zealyan.

Linears really shoud be renamed to Zealinears 

[SJHL]

sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.

Thank you for this clip. Aristole sounds great! Now Im conflicted whether I should either get Tactile or Clicky first..

[Rodgaroon]

I want to try building my own keyboard, small project just a 60% to a start. Learn how to solder, what resistors and diods you need for specific leds and what not. Sounds like fun, count me in, click click click!

[Zorox]

Im in, as a true fan of MX Blue and Clear, and if this switch seems to be their fusion, then why not

[Firebolt1914]

I've been given a sample of Aristotle Zealios. They're simply amazing. I almost want to say they feel closer to buckling spring than MX Blue

[Latin00032]

I've been given a sample of Aristotle Zealios. They're simply amazing. I almost want to say they feel closer to buckling spring than MX Blue

Can you post a comparison video?

[Tuntematon]

I am very interested. I ordered a barebones White Fox because I am waiting for this switch to exist.

I think Aqua would be a better name than Cyan, it has a better flow.

[Tuntematon]

This makes me curious to buy an old Chicony with Aristotles and swap the stems into some Gaterons/Zealios. Ultimately though, I was planning on using vintage MX whites in zealio housings for a nice translucent clicky switch. If aristotles can fit into Zealio housings, then I -MIGHT- go that route.

Here's an Aristotle option if you decide to go that route:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qtronix-Scorpius-305-electro-mechanical-switch-keyboard-reduced-width-/121842080516?hash=item1c5e5a9b04:g:GQ4AAOSwiwVWSi8P

I should add that I contacted the seller a while ago to see if it had MX blues and he said it has "just plain white ones", i.e. Aristotle, I think. 

[Goranth]

Oh man this is quite exciting.  So excited to see new types of Zealios.  Who needs Cherry switches anyways? 

[ileben]

sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.

So the aristotles are higher pitched and sound more "ticky," not sure if I really like that sound. [...]

Same here, I love tactility, but the thing the puts me off mx blues is exactly the high-pitched thin thick sound, and from this video it sounds like aristotle has even more of that. What I'm really looking for is a deeper, meatier sound, more similar to buckling springs. If such a sound could be achieved, I'd buy the switches in an instant.

[harlw]

How's this coming along?

[Zeal]

How's this coming along?

I shipped some early proto samples (along with a bunch of other new projects *cough*) to Gateron on Friday and they should be receiving it tomorrow... Stress test/designing phase will come shortly.

In the meantime, here's another pic

[Jokrik]

We need to hear the sound, well I need to

[ideus]

We need to hear the sound, well I need to

Look in the thread for the videos that were already posted.

[harlw]

How's this coming along?

I shipped some early proto samples (along with a bunch of other new projects *cough*) to Gateron on Friday and they should be receiving it tomorrow... Stress test/designing phase will come shortly.

In the meantime, here's another pic

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Interested to see how they come out!

[Jokrik]

We need to hear the sound, well I need to

Look in the thread for the videos that were already posted.

Yeah somehow tapatalk just isn't my best friend

Thx for the heads up

[FranksNewLiver]

I miss my clickies, definitely in for a boards worth of Zealistotles

[ideus]

I miss my clickies, definitely in for a boards worth of Zealistotles

That is a very unique name but a bit over-complicated.

[Zeal]

Looks like this project won't be feasible.

Will work on project stab.

[KaminKevCrew]

Looks like this project won't be feasible.

Will work on project stab.

That's too bad... Is cost the issue?

[Zeal]

Looks like this project won't be feasible.

Will work on project stab.

That's too bad... Is cost the issue?

Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.

[KaminKevCrew]

Looks like this project won't be feasible.

Will work on project stab.

That's too bad... Is cost the issue?

Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.

That's unfortunate. It would have been really cool! Regardless, I'm definitely excited for project stabs!!! (I'm definitely in for a few boards worth!)

Oh, I do have one thing. Would it be possible to gold plate the contacts in the switches? I have one or two that have turned green for no apparent reason... It doesn't affect functionality at all, but it certainly affects looks

[OTD]

Did not go through all the posts but this will be priced the same as other zealios?

[KaminKevCrew]

Did not go through all the posts but this will be priced the same as other zealios?

Zeal just said (two or three posts above) that this won't be happening, due to a few reasons. I was really looking forward to it... Oh well, such is life!

[wilarseny]

Looks like this project won't be feasible.

Will work on project stab.

That's too bad... Is cost the issue?

Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.

Bummer, sorry to hear that. Was thinking of putting these in the whitefox when it comes. Project stab = new stabilizer design, or what is that?

[KaminKevCrew]

Looks like this project won't be feasible.

Will work on project stab.

That's too bad... Is cost the issue?

Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.

Bummer, sorry to hear that. Was thinking of putting these in the whitefox when it comes. Project stab = new stabilizer design, or what is that?

I think it's the possibility of having stabs that have clear housings, and purple stems. That would be very, very cool since it would match tactile zealios perfectly!

[OTD]

On to project stab it is.

[KetchyKech]

Looks like this project won't be feasible.

Will work on project stab.

That's too bad... Is cost the issue?

Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.

Bummer, sorry to hear that. Was thinking of putting these in the whitefox when it comes. Project stab = new stabilizer design, or what is that?

Had the same plan for these  Ahhhhh well, i hope zeal can revive this at some point 

[wilarseny]

I think it's the possibility of having stabs that have clear housings, and purple stems. That would be very, very cool since it would match tactile zealios perfectly!

Yooo that'd be pretty rad honestly. Got an all semi-transparent build that would benefit from those a lot, the black stabs stand out like sore thumbs.

[KaminKevCrew]

I think it's the possibility of having stabs that have clear housings, and purple stems. That would be very, very cool since it would match tactile zealios perfectly!

Yooo that'd be pretty rad honestly. Got an all semi-transparent build that would benefit from those a lot, the black stabs stand out like sore thumbs.

Yeah, I actually pm'd zeal about that a while ago, and he said he was already toying with the idea. It sure would be sweet!

[timerwin63]

I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.

[KaminKevCrew]

I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.

Theoretically, I'll have about 30 left once my LZ rv comes in.

[JorisBoers]

I'd love to get a clicky Zealio, heavier but that can be handled by a simple spring swap

Hope to see this in one of my boards

[Zeal]

I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.

Thanks for the notice. I've just verified my inventory and have exactly 87 Aristotles remaining. The website has been updated.

I'd love to get a clicky Zealio, heavier but that can be handled by a simple spring swap

Hope to see this in one of my boards

Clicky Zealio project (with aristotle-like stem) is forever dormant until further notice. The only way to replicate the feel would be to purchase Aristotles and harvest the stem to put into Zealio housings.

[cirrus82]

I'd get a set!

[KaminKevCrew]

I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.

Thanks for the notice. I've just verified my inventory and have exactly 87 Aristotles remaining. The website has been updated.

I'd love to get a clicky Zealio, heavier but that can be handled by a simple spring swap

Hope to see this in one of my boards

Clicky Zealio project (with aristotle-like stem) is forever dormant until further notice. The only way to replicate the feel would be to purchase Aristotles and harvest the stem to put into Zealio housings.

I've only done it with one switch so far, but it's amazing! Closest thing to blue alps I've tried so far, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the most tactile clicky switch there is that's mx compatible!

[DannyHuynh]

Dunno why the shipping has to be so expensive, but I've just order 87 Aristotles, at least I hope they'll be here tomorrow

[dohbot]

Any more aristotles left? Would they be back before the summer? How difficult is the modding process? What weight are the aristotle's spring? No support for LEDs? :O

[DannyHuynh]

I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.

Thanks for the notice. I've just verified my inventory and have exactly 87 Aristotles remaining. The website has been updated.

I'd love to get a clicky Zealio, heavier but that can be handled by a simple spring swap

Hope to see this in one of my boards

Clicky Zealio project (with aristotle-like stem) is forever dormant until further notice. The only way to replicate the feel would be to purchase Aristotles and harvest the stem to put into Zealio housings.

So can I put these Aristotle stem into Gateron housings along with 62g springs to get the clicky zealios ?

[gadzkun]

the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved

[DannyHuynh]

the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved

Gateron or Zealios housing would solve that problem, according to Zeal, not that it matters much to me

[gadzkun]

the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved

Gateron or Zealios housing would solve that problem, according to Zeal, not that it matters much to me

i ask zeal on zealio GB , zeal said only zealio housing fit. milky gateron housing not fit.
last time i ask gateron clear top black bottom still not available, so i dont know if gateron clear top black bottom would fit..

[DannyHuynh]

the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved

Gateron or Zealios housing would solve that problem, according to Zeal, not that it matters much to me

i ask zeal on zealio GB , zeal said only zealio housing fit. milky gateron housing not fit.
last time i ask gateron clear top black bottom still not available, so i dont know if gateron clear top black bottom would fit..

I'll try with my Gaterons from MD when they get here

[KaminKevCrew]

Dunno why the shipping has to be so expensive, but I've just order 87 Aristotles, at least I hope they'll be here tomorrow

I wouldn't count on it. Afaik, Zeal is still working through his orders from the GB.

[Chachal]

I harvested about 100 Aristotle switches from old keyboard I got. Now I'm waiting for my R2 Zealios to come

[Prankk]

If this happens I'm in.

[harlw]

Want some if they come around again

Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk

[DannyHuynh]

the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved

Gateron or Zealios housing would solve that problem, according to Zeal, not that it matters much to me

i ask zeal on zealio GB , zeal said only zealio housing fit. milky gateron housing not fit.
last time i ask gateron clear top black bottom still not available, so i dont know if gateron clear top black bottom would fit..

It works! And man, these are loud and crisp, unlike Cherry/Gateron sticky click, these sound really crisp. It's just that the stem is a little bit higher. I'll try with the actual Zealios housing to see if it's also like that. For now, I'm gonna put these into my keyboard and imagine that I have a board made out of Clicky Zealio

[E3E]

I put some vintage MX white stems in a linear Zealio housing (linear/tactile are the same housing-wise anyway).

Eh, I don't think I'm going to be using these since  I gave away my Octagon v2 spot, so we'll see what becomes of them.

[William_S_Jones]

Interested & looking forward to your group buy when it happens!

[StormyMonday]

Looks like this project won't be feasible.

Will work on project stab.

That's too bad... Is cost the issue?

Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.

We don need no steenk'n assembly!

How much for a bag of parts??? Never mind, just take my friggin' money!!!

[richfiles]

**EDIT**
Crud... Just saw this fell through. That's a real bummer on this not happening... It really looked interesting. 

I know nothing of these "Aristotle" switches, so new question, If I managed to salvage a keyboard with these Aristotle stems, would it be possible to transplant them into my current keyboard with Gateron Blue with "milky" top and bottom housings? These were from the last two batches of Blues from Massdrop before they switched to Black bottom housings and clear top housings. It's a big deal for me to retain the milky housings, as the bottom housing is hand wired, and I ain't redoing that, and the top housings are dyed.

If a mod like that were possible, plus the use of a much heavier spring, how would it compare to Alps Amber?

Again... Sorry to hear these didn't go through.

---Original post---

So, a few questions... With the different internal stem configuration, is it possible to transplant the Gateron "milky" top housings in place of the transparent tops on these? I dye my switch tops, as shown in the image, and quite frankly... I have no idea if the transparent clear tops will even take dye or look right. If I got these, I'd want to be able to transplant the top housing... Is that possible?

Second, My favorite switch ever, is Alps Amber (from the keyboard of the Apple //c Extended Memory Model). It has such a strong, thunky click, and a wonderfully heavy weight. It's heavier than Greens! How would these compare to Alps Amber? I know you mentioned a 62g or 67g spring... No heavier options, like an MX Green? I suppose I could always get springs, and replace them, since I'd have to swap tops anyway. If I bought milky topped Gateron Greens, then I'd have both the top housing and a heavier spring. I could then rebuild those switches with the 62g or 67g springs and the clear tops, and maybe see if anyone wanted them.

Basically, I am curious how these would compare to Alps amber, and my choosing them would be 100% dependent on whether I can use the Milky top housings on these.

Just gonna also throw my hat in and say I also like "Tealios, or Tzealios" as a name.

[timerwin63]

If anyone would know where to find 70 Aristotle switches (considering Zeal got bought out), I'd love to know where. I found 3 in a bag of random switches my roommate gave me when he graduated and these things feel amazing! Makes me sad to know I might never get to put them in a board.

[DannyHuynh]

If anyone would know where to find 70 Aristotle switches (considering Zeal got bought out), I'd love to know where. I found 3 in a bag of random switches my roommate gave me when he graduated and these things feel amazing! Makes me sad to know I might never get to put them in a board.

Your best bet is to go on eBay and search for keyboard such as Chicony Keyboard, they have Aristotle switches. You can just take the stems, put them into Gateron housings and enjoy the click. I know I do