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[IC] VE.A
« on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:06:00 »
VE.A Specification
revision : 2016-05-31

  • Housing : VE.A
    • Four pieces of Aluminium Armor (Aluminium 6061), Anodized
    • Two pieces of Poly-Carbonate Frame
    • Two pieces of 1.5T STS Switch mounting plate
    • Two pieces of 0.8T STS Laser marked plate
    • Matching 3M urethane bumpon included
  • PCB : Vergo type.T-II
    • Split layout linked with SATA cable
    • Cherry MX / Alps SKCx Compatible
    • Full in-switch LED
    • 18 of RGB LED under bottom side
    • Supports ISO layout(short left shift, vertical enter), ANSI layout.
    • Various bottom row
    • Splittable backspace
    • Splittable delete
    • 1.6T
    • White BG, Black FG
    • Only VE.A can fit (Not fit with Vergo type.T reference acrylic housing design)
    • No acrylic housing design is available now (2016-02-03)
    • With "one standard 104 keycaps package + 1.75 shift" can cover whole layout

  • Software
    • Firmware made by winkeyless.kr
    • Control program "bootMapperClient" by winkeyless.kr (Supports Mac/Windows)
    • 4 Programmable layers, You even can re-map "layer change key" and macro keys.
    • 12 on-the-fly quick macro, 12 custom macro
    • on the fly LED mode shift and brightness adjustment
    • Can map "Shift+ESC" to ~

Video Review
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[2016-02-06] Price and Taxes
Former mentioned price range (which is 400~450) was not includes tax.
When I ran GB in Korea, it was considered as personal hobby thing.
And domestic wire-transfer doesn't bring any attraction of Taxation bureau.
But when I'm doing this with you -overseas- guys, that will ring the alarm.
I confirmed this from friends who is in overseas trading business.
So, I'm crunching numbers with my partner. (Man I didn't realize it's that complicated.)
Korean tax starts from 10% of VAT and there's additional income tax. plus PP fee.
When I calculated, that makes the price starts from 456USD minimum, God(Tax-an God) only knows how much higher it could be. the income tax can be up to 38%!!! I had no idea about it.
I'll try to keep it as low as I can. but here's where I'm standing now.

VE.A is made of 8 parts for housing.
4 CNC Aluminium, anodized armor parts.
2 CNC Poly-Carbonate parts.
2 Laser cut STS switch mounting plate.
(And since there's so may question about pre-soldering option, I'm searching for the way to go SMT.)
I believe you already familiar with the price of CNC (MCT).
VE.A has double parts comparing traditional boards since it's split. That's why I cannot make the price any lower.
My anodizing factory offered me 0.5USD cut-off for MoQ 300. Man... it's not realistic number I'll say.
CNC? no chance, my CNC factory usually produces cell-phone housing which is massive massive massive product.

I'm announcing this that I want you to know how hard I'm working on to make this GB happen in realistic way (price-wise).
Hope you can understand me.
And don't worry about me, I'm a little stressed but happy stressed. I am actually enjoying this.

Thanks for your interest on my works.



[2016-04-05] Official Website
We launched official website for VE.A.
It's pretty much under development but you can get informations for VE.A.
It's almost done, guys.
http://oddforge.com/

Thanks for long waiting.



[2016-04-21]
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.




[2016-04-22]
Additional Announcement.

I have to say really sorry for Alps fans since Alps switch mounting plate will not be provided in Massdrop.
I believe all Alps fans can understand why I removed this option.
But I'll explain anyway.
Alps mounting system is very strict about layout.
It has no sustain pins like Cherry MX, and stabilizers is mounted on mounting plate so "Universal Alps plate" cannot be made.
Plus, there's no "Standard" keycap sets for alps (except Matias, but I don't want to limit selection of keycaps.).
So, We will share alps plate drawing on public.
And for who have no access to metalworks shop, we will accept order of Alps plate in our website.
This can make you spend another shipping money. but at this time, I have no better way.
Sorry again and thank you for your understanding in advance :)




[2016-05-17]
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

The sample on Massdrop is "BLACK"




[2016-05-24]
Announcement from Oddforge

Hi guys, I got a news for GB.
As you know, I was trying to upgrade PCB for ISO layouts and Swappable space/fn options.
Test fails. There's another 200 bucks I'll never see again.
Now, time is absolute not enough to make it in this GB.

This might looks like a kind of lame execuse but, I'm gonna spit it out.
Me and my partner has all exhausted out.
Somebody might think this is not that kind of hard work but...
We(oddforge members) both have a regular day job, and in Korea, we work very hard (I mean... looooooooooong, like 12 hours a day)
We have to work at midnight and "precious weekend" for this GB.
We did, we did tried over three months by now.
Clock is ticking (man it's faster than we thought, really), we all are stressed out.
BAM!, hospital, both of us.

So, here's the deal about it.
For now, there's no way I can make it before Massdrop application period ends. (in a week from now)
We will keep trying anyway. but "NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS(UPGRADED PCB) WILL BE INCLUDED IN MASSDROP GB"
I got three weeks to solve and test. If I got managed to solve things, it will be included. but chance is very slim as you see.
Sorry guys, I didn't make it in time.

If(---IF---) PCB is done after time limit. We will offer you a deal for it.
(NO PRICE EST, NOR SCHEDULE EST, NOR GUARANTEE)
Please, do not think this as a money making tactics.

Thanks for your interest and considerate understanding in advance.




[2016-05-27]
Announcement from oddforge

Improved PCB debugging was successful.
I produced another sample PCB (with express service... which is waaaaaaaaaay pricey... 150USD for 3 PCBs hahaha...)
Here's today's status.
Me and my partner has assembled two Kits
ANSI layout with default VE.A layout, and ISO layout with swapped left Space/FN.
Which means, Vergo type.T-II PCB (VE.A's PCB) now supports
- ISO(short left shift, vertical enter) layout.
- swappable left space/fn layout.

Everything is in function for now.
We have to do long stability test. (It's day one)
As mentioned, time is very short for enough test before GB ends.
So, here's deal.
We will do heavy stability test as possible as we can.
And we will announce once more in two days.



[2016-05-29]
Announcement from oddforge

Stability test was successful for two days.
(I'm writing this with ISO + Space/FN Swapped version of VE.A)
Still there is some chance for failure cause short test period.

And you probably knows already.
If you use VE.A with full LED on, plugged non-powered USB hub can cause malfunction.
LED's Power consumption is very high.

OK, I think this is the time for your final decision.
I'm 99% sure this PCB is stable. Even if this fails, I think I can fix it.
So, improved PCB will be included in Massdrop GB (99% sure)





[2016-05-31]
I am closing IC thread since application of Massdrop is over.
Oddforge will continue discuss and support for VE.A in other thread.
Thank you for your supports everyone.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82509.0#new
« Last Edit: Tue, 31 May 2016, 01:57:59 by zefyr »
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:08:28 »
First :D :D
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:09:59 »
In, but you know that. :)
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:10:05 »
I will gladly take one of these!
Even at the upper price range I will do anything to get in on this!

I love this keyboard and have been wanting one since I saw the first revision.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:11:16 »
Yes. I will sell what ever I need to sell.

Yes
Yes

Yes

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:14:27 »
the wallet says no

but the heart says yes

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:17:13 »
Yes

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:19:56 »
I can't wait for mine! Vermillion you are doing an awesome job! :thumb:
I need more keyboards to hold all of these keycaps.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:22:15 »
I will buy!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:30:13 »
Yes. I will sell what ever I need to sell.

Yes
Yes

Yes

Classified thread and eBay are getting so much new love when I get home.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:31:00 »
I will buy one. Will probably have to sell some stuff though...

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:35:40 »
Oh hell yes!  I love you!

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:37:26 »
Put me on the list!   :)
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:42:35 »
Yes. I will sell what ever I need to sell.

Yes
Yes

Yes

Classified thread and eBay are getting so much new love when I get home.

I'll be putting up some keysets and artisans as well. Need more money ASAP.
I need more keyboards to hold all of these keycaps.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:48:09 »
Oh I would be so in on this.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:50:32 »
Its a Sata cable connecting the two half's right ?

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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:52:18 »
This is one the most beautiful "ergo" boards I've seen. Sadly, I don't think I can join.
Still don't regret commenting here so that I'll get updates.  :blank:

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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:54:25 »
Yep, sir! count me in 1 million times over!!  :))

Gold color option + stand option =  :thumb:
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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:56:53 »
Count me in for one please. I need another unicorn in my life.  :p

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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:57:35 »
Oh, my gosh. I just noticed "6" is on the left side. That makes me really, really want to buy this board. Most of the charts I've seen suggest pressing "6" with your right hand, yet I find it far more comfortable to use my left.

Also, Wkl.kr?  ;D His firmware is one of the most versatile I've used; very happy for that.
Who makes this board?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:58:34 »
Yeah, I basically have to try and get in on this.

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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:59:26 »
Oh, my gosh. I just noticed "6" is on the left side. That makes me really, really want to buy this board. Most of the charts I've seen suggest pressing "6" with your right hand, yet I find it far more comfortable to use my left.

Also, Wkl.kr?  ;D His firmware is one of the most versatile I've used; very happy for that.
Who makes this board?

Just do it! Don't let your dreams be dreams.
I need more keyboards to hold all of these keycaps.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:01:02 »
I'm in!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:01:52 »
Count me in for sure! Been dying to get my hands on one, glad to see it come to geekhack. :thumb:

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:03:00 »
I definitely want in on this
          
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:04:34 »
Oh, my gosh. I just noticed "6" is on the left side. That makes me really, really want to buy this board. Most of the charts I've seen suggest pressing "6" with your right hand, yet I find it far more comfortable to use my left.

Also, Wkl.kr?  ;D His firmware is one of the most versatile I've used; very happy for that.
Who makes this board?

Just do it! Don't let your dreams be dreams.

Sadly, I'm not made of money.  :-[
Will I regret it? Yes. But there always will be more boards, more keycaps, more artisans. Don't have a credit card; everything I buy I buy with cash, so I have to budget every purchase I plan.
Can't imagine how much debt I'd have if I had a credit card...!  :confused:

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:04:40 »
I need this

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:18:30 »
Already on the list, but I'm interested just to clarify.

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:19:05 »
Been wanting one of these since I saw it for the first time! Afraid I don't have any funds for it right now though :(

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:25:58 »
Can't wait for this!!! ;D
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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:26:36 »
Already on the list, but I'm interested just to clarify.

there is a list!?!?

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« Reply #31 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:27:16 »
Like Xondat, I've been on the list, thanks to my interest from quite a while ago when Zefyr first shared with us on the forums! :D
       

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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:29:12 »
So down, this looks awesome.
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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:29:33 »

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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:44:20 »
I posted in both threads and pm'ed ya!  :eek: hopefully, that will do it  :thumb:

Any chance you could offer an aluminum plate  :-* ?
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« Reply #35 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:46:08 »
Wow this looks incredible. Please add me to the list!!! Thanks

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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:23:33 »
Put me on the list, does the pricing include a full aluminum kit, top and bottom?

The pricing is quite steep, so wish to understand what you are including, thanks!

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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:27:12 »
Just take my ****ing money!

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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:33:01 »
Definitely want in.

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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:38:25 »
Definitely interested, especially with the stand!

You should have no problem getting 30 orders  :))

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:10:13 »
Already on the list, but I'm interested just to clarify.

there is a list!?!?

Thanks for starting this thread xondat.
You are already on my list.

There is so much demand so I'm not sure what will happen with the list ^-^

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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:18:29 »
In on this for sure  :-*

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« Reply #42 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:34:54 »
Hey Vermillion is there any chance you could post the list here so we can know who has made it and who hasn't? Also, what is the production process going to look like?
I need more keyboards to hold all of these keycaps.

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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:50:00 »
Hey Vermillion is there any chance you could post the list here so we can know who has made it and who hasn't? Also, what is the production process going to look like?

As I said that list thing was a big mistake haha.
I'll keep in my own way.
I'll cut this IC thread when I cannot handle more.
Bur it's not a guarantee that who posted here gets joined.
I really need your understand that I'm not doing this for business way.
So there is no formal or standard way.
But it should be fair and clear I wish I can do that.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:51:34 »
Hey Vermillion is there any chance you could post the list here so we can know who has made it and who hasn't? Also, what is the production process going to look like?

As I said that list thing was a big mistake haha.
I'll keep in my own way.
I'll cut this IC thread when I cannot handle more.
Bur it's not a guarantee that who posted here gets joined.
I really need your understand that I'm not doing this for business way.
So there is no formal or standard way.
But it should be fair and clear I wish I can do that.

That's completely understandable. It's better that you take on what you can handle rather than overloading yourself and slow down the orders for everybody. :thumb:

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:53:34 »
Ill buy one for sure! Sign me up please!
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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:58:50 »
DEFINITELY HOW PLS!
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:03:13 »
Yes, please!
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:04:13 »
Good luck with the IC Vermillion  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:05:41 »
I'd like a set of pcbs, if possible.