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Offline ibu

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Cherry g80 3000: LQMDE versus LQCDE
« on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 14:11:32 »
LQMDE is out of sale, it is not listed at cherry.de.

In http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=65891&postcount=12 the poster assumes, that the white switches in the LQMDE  are mutations of the brown switches.

Is that sure?

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I'm looking for a used g80-3000 lqcde. If anyone likes to sell one, please let me know.

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Cherry g80 3000: LQMDE versus LQCDE
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 14:18:55 »
The clear (sometimes called white, but we call them clears to differentiate them from the actual white Cherry switches, which are special stiff switches used in spacebars) switches are no longer made by Cherry and are quite rare. Deck make keyboards that use them, but they're very expensive for what you get... If you really want something like the clears, you could mod a Cherry Brown keyboard with the springs from a Cherry Black one (the latter are very cheap and easy to find)

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Cherry g80 3000: LQMDE versus LQCDE
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 14:37:05 »
Quote from: ch_123;144262
The clear (...) switches are no longer made by Cherry and are quite rare.

There are still many german sellers having the LQCDE (and also the LQCEU) in stock, though.

At the moment there's also a LQMDE on ebay.de: CHERRY Tastatur G80-3000, neu (9 days to go)
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Offline ibu

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Cherry g80 3000: LQMDE versus LQCDE
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 14:45:58 »
@ch_123
Thanks for your answer.
Do I understand you correctly with:
1 Each LQMDE has clear switches, not brown ones.
2 A clear switch is stiffer than brown one and that is the only difference in it's character

My interest is not to get a clear switch keyboard preferentially. Rather I like to understand the difference between the brown and clear switches.
I like to know that, because I'm looking for a used keyboard. If a LQMDE will do it as well like a LQCDE - if it is offered - than I'm prepared.

@42.tar.gz
I know that LQCDE is available.
But I like to buy a used one for less.
« Last Edit: Mon, 21 December 2009, 15:02:50 by ibu »

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Cherry g80 3000: LQMDE versus LQCDE
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 14:51:55 »
I thought brown and clear stems were different. I may be wrong.

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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 14:54:08 »
Clear = Brown mechanism with Black springs, no?

Offline ibu

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Cherry g80 3000: LQMDE versus LQCDE
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 16:02:23 »
Quote from: ripster;144288

At first I thought they were a Cherry Brown on steroids but now I think of them as Cherry's attempt to make an Alps Black Complicated switch.

Please let a novize know what's the difference between the clears and the browns in the words of a physicist - verbalizing a time force diagram, the vibrato, the sounds.

And: do you personally prefer the clears over the browns?

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Cherry g80 3000: LQMDE versus LQCDE
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 21 December 2009, 19:00:28 »
The only practical difference between a LQMDE and LQCDE is the kind of interface - the former is PS/2 only, the latter is PS/2 + USB combo. Older LQMDEs may still come in beige with two-color keycaps though (and with thicker keycaps if older still), which I personally prefer. Consider yourself lucky if you stumble across a HQMDE or its more common DIN jack version, the HEMDE.

For force displacement diagrams of clears, best find a 2006 Cherry keyboard catalog. They have ones for blacks, blues and clears. The missing one for browns can be obtained from the MX switch datasheet.

As far as clears go, I consider them a "good" switch. Imagine a scissor-switch keyboard with some additional travel with linear characteristic tacked on (or a black Cherry switch that grew a tactile point). Tactility is not as sharp as on a board with blues, and they are heavier as well (more in line with a Model M), but they are tactile switches barely any louder than blacks and near impossible to bottom out as well. I think they strike a good compromise between typing feel and noise emission for noise-sensitive environments (I used to have such a board in the lab), especially if you have a heavier touch.

As for ripster's theory, well, clears and browns do have their tactile point quite high up, so it's quite possible Alps switches serves as inspiration, but the feel of clears really is not very Alps-ish.

Regarding clears vs. browns, the browns have a sharper but lighter tactile bump and are lower-force switches in general (more in line with blues in that regard). Here in Germany, they aren't obtained very easily on the used market (which is not to say we'd be drowning in boards with clears, but at least those have been sold in regular G80-3000s; yours truly lucked out with badly described boards twice).
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This message was probably typed on a vintage G80-3000 with blues. Double-shots, baby. :D

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Cherry g80 3000: LQMDE versus LQCDE
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 22 December 2009, 00:49:15 »
@keyb_gr
Thanks for your extensive answer :)

I will bid on the LQMDE which is offered at ebay since yesterday.
If anyone of you wants to bid as well, please let me know. It makes no sense to bid against each other.

Edit:
Have been on your homepage: Hi Stefan :)
You are the one who inspired me with his posting in the newsgroup dchm some month ago to go deeper into keyboards.
And the one who gave me the hint to this forum.
Regards, Andreas
« Last Edit: Tue, 22 December 2009, 01:07:44 by ibu »