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Offline emdude

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Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« on: Sun, 19 June 2016, 18:59:04 »
The goal of this project is to aggregate working, open source (under CC0-1.0) 60% plate designs for various Alps layouts, including AEK I/II, Dell AT101, AT101W, etc, so that they may be used for one-offs or group buys.

The initial keyboard plates that I will be working on will be created with Swill's great plate builder, then modified to fully support various layouts.

+ To download a design directly, just right-click the 'Direct' or 'SVG' link and save-as "<plate>.dxf" or "<plate>.svg", respectively

+ Layouts are tested and without issue unless otherwise stated

Completed Layouts:
  • AEK, by hasu:
    - Direct, Github, Image

  • Dell AT101 (7u Space Bar, Stepped Caps Lock):
    - Alps-style stabilizers: Direct, SVG, Github, Image
    - Alps-style stabilizers, Costar-stabilized space bar (Untested): Direct, SVG, Github, Image

  • Dell AT101W (6.25u Space Bar, Stepped Caps Lock):
    - Alps-style stabilizers (Untested): Direct, SVG, Github, Image
    - Alps-style stabilizers, Costar-stabilized space bar (Untested): Direct, SVGGithub, Image

  • Tai-Hao (6.25u Space Bar, Unstepped Caps Lock):
    - Alps-style stabilizers, Costar-stabilized space bar (Tested, with potential issues with right shift stab?): Direct, SVG, Github, Image

  • IBM 5140 (7u Space Bar, Unstepped Caps Lock, Big-Ass Enter, Winkeyless):
    - Alps-style stabilizers: Direct, SVG, Github, Image
    - NOTE: This is a unique BAE layout!  This is likely incompatible with BAE keys from Northgate, Focus, etc. keyboards!

  • Infinity (6u Space Bar, Unstepped Caps Lock):
    - Alps-style stabilizers, Costar-stabilized space bar (Untested): Direct, SVG, Github, Image

  • HHKB (6u Space Bar, Unstepped Caps Lock):
    - Alps-style stabilizers, Costar-stabilized space bar (Untested): Direct, SVG, Github, Image
Layouts in Progress:
  • Nothing ATM
Tentative Future Layouts:
  • AT102W

+ If you have a plate made and discover an issue, please report it here so I can make the necessary corrections!
+ Note that plates should be 1.0-1.2mm in thickness per Alps specs in order for switches to properly clip in!

Please let me know if you have suggestions, advice, criticism, etc. as I am a bit inexperienced with CAD and just projects like these in general.

Many thanks to Swill, Phoible, Wingpad, BlueNalgene, Alh84001, FletchINKy, hasu, and the others who have helped contribute to this!
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 19 June 2016, 21:52:43 »
This is excellent, I am looking forward to seeing the fruits of our labour! Just to rehash the status of the AEKII plate I've been working on, here is a quote of the latest project update.

I sent my AEKII drawing off to get fabbed today. I am considering this to be a test run since I am not 100% confident in it; however, it has passed my preliminary tests and seems to be laid out correctly, we will find out for sure soon! Once I get all of the details sorted out, I will be open-sourcing it for personal use and (hopefully) use in future GBs. I would post it now but I don't want to get responses like "It doesn't woooooork," haha.

Here is a render of what it will (should?) look like:
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So expect another update about that stuff soon!
Current Drivers: Black Dell AT101W (Orange Alps, AT101 Caps) | IBM Model M (1994, Industrialized)
Other Boards: Infinity-esque 60% (Gateron Clears & Caps) | AEK 60% (Alps64 PCB, Blue Alps)

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 19 June 2016, 22:11:54 »
Update: Added Wingpad's work on an AEK I/II plate to OP, thanks again! :D
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 07:21:40 »
Would be cool if you could do variants which supported Cherry/Costar plate stabilizers, too. That way more people could support them through SP group buys--their DCS keys use the Cherry stab mounts.


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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 07:51:26 »
Would be cool if you could do variants which supported Cherry/Costar plate stabilizers, too. That way more people could support them through SP group buys--their DCS keys use the Cherry stab mounts.

That would not be very hard, actually; it's much easier to do Costar stabilizers than Alps because swill's tool properly generates them.

EDIT: I have attached an untested drawing of an AEKII based layout with cherry/costar-stabilizers. If someone wants to run this and see what happens, go for it.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 14:10:00 »
I ordered some stuff to build my first ALPS board, an 60% AEKII. Wanted to use costar stabs anyway so the timing of your drawing is perfekt. It will be some weeks until all the parts arrive but I'm going to test out your AEKII Costar plate and report back.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 14:19:33 »
I ordered some stuff to build my first ALPS board, an 60% AEKII. Wanted to use costar stabs anyway so the timing of your drawing is perfekt. It will be some weeks until all the parts arrive but I'm going to test out your AEKII Costar plate and report back.

Ah, excellent, thanks! I make no guarantees about it but it should work. If you downloaded the first version of it you should re-download it since I fixed a minor cosmetic issue. I am looking forward to hearing back from you.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 14:30:50 »

Ah, excellent, thanks! I make no guarantees about it but it should work. If you downloaded the first version of it you should re-download it since I fixed a minor cosmetic issue. I am looking forward to hearing back from you.

No worries, I'll try with MDF first to make sure everything fits before cutting acrylic (yes, will be an acrylic plate ;) )

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 14:48:38 »
I'll try with MDF first to make sure everything fits before cutting acrylic (yes, will be an acrylic plate ;) )

Hmmm, I am not sure how well this would work acrylic; since the material you would use to these make plates is so thin (1-1.5mm), I'd worry about some of the finer details cracking. In addition, it can warp if you're laser cutting it. If you want to use acrylic perhaps I should generate and tweak a version with co-star only stabilizers as well (this version has both costar and cherry compatibility).
Current Drivers: Black Dell AT101W (Orange Alps, AT101 Caps) | IBM Model M (1994, Industrialized)
Other Boards: Infinity-esque 60% (Gateron Clears & Caps) | AEK 60% (Alps64 PCB, Blue Alps)

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 15:08:20 »
I'd add a disclaimer in the OP to mention that all Alps plates should be 1.2mm thickness rather than the MX standard of 1.5mm.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 15:30:41 »
Thanks for the suggestions, guys.  Plates with Alps-style stabilizers are my main priority since Swill's plate builder cannot do those, I can add Cherry/Costar stabilized plates but the builder should be able generate those just fine.

@jbondeson, thank you, I'll add that Alps plates should be 1.0-1.2mm in thickness for switches to properly clip in.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 16:02:33 »
Plates with Alps-style stabilizers are my main priority since Swill's plate builder cannot do those, I can add Cherry/Costar stabilized plates but the builder should be able generate those just fine.

I agree with this; however Swill's plate builder does screw up hole placement for alps/pok3r plates (mostly the center hole which it places between two switches and the one beneath the spacebar when using cherry-style stabilizers). It's a simple fix but, for convenience purposes, listing them here mightn't be a bad idea.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 16:47:05 »
Oh right, that the case mounting holes would still be screwed up had slipped my mind, I'll work on those plates when I get around to it then.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 20:51:09 »
The next time I have an issue with my alps64 infinity that requires me to desolder it I will scan the plate and send you it.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 20:53:06 »
oh and I can also do the focus plate, I have a disassembled one sitting on my shelf.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 21:28:18 »
Okay, great!  I think I am getting close to an AT101 plate that I can test, but I would very much appreciate additional measurements to confirm my own.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 21:34:44 »
Does swill's site not work for designing Alps plates? I believe he's got an Alps mount option on there now.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 21:54:00 »
Not completely, it does not support Alps-style stabilizers for the space bar and case mounting holes overlap with other stabilizers.  I did use plates generated using it as a starting point though.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 20 June 2016, 23:38:23 »
Not completely, it does not support Alps-style stabilizers for the space bar and case mounting holes overlap with other stabilizers.  I did use plates generated using it as a starting point though.

Good to know, thanks for the clarification!  :thumb:

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 21 June 2016, 00:59:48 »
No problem!  I just remembered something though, so I should clarify some more.  6.5u space bars are somewhat supported, but Swill's plate builder does not generate the cutouts for the circular peg stabilizers found on boards like the AT101W.  7u space bars are not supported (I have not tested other space bar lengths).

Also an update, I believe I am nearly done with the AT101 plate, and since I have key caps for it, I hope to get a prototype made soon.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 26 June 2016, 01:13:46 »
I am finished with the AT101 plate and am having a prototype made.  Spent a bit of time testing it against my SGI key set, with any luck it will work just fine.



Note the two bottom space bar stabilizers, they are closer together than they would be on an AT101 plate to accommodate a stabilizer wire like the one below.  The SGI stabilizer is like this one, but I don't think it will matter if a traditional, longer stab is used.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 18:13:24 »
Alright, I finally got my prototype Alps plate in today. Here is an album describing the results (with pictures, of course). All in all, it works but there are a few things I want to tweak. I'll have it updated by the end of the week at the latest :thumb:
Current Drivers: Black Dell AT101W (Orange Alps, AT101 Caps) | IBM Model M (1994, Industrialized)
Other Boards: Infinity-esque 60% (Gateron Clears & Caps) | AEK 60% (Alps64 PCB, Blue Alps)

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 18:23:15 »
Thanks for the update!  I think I use the same space bar stab measurements so I will readjust my plates once your AEK design is updated. :D

I guess I will also wait to mark your design as tested until you make those quick corrections.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 18:40:27 »
Whoops, double-post.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 21:15:12 »
I have a HHKB CAD/DXF file that I used to get a plate made over Taobao.
Made myself based on Duck's Viper/Eagle ALPS plate file and SwillKB.
Plate should arrive next Monday and I will know how everything fits.
Let me know if you guys would like me to share.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 21:18:59 »
I have a HHKB CAD/DXF file that I used to get a plate made over Taobao.
Made myself based on Duck's Viper/Eagle ALPS plate file and SwillKB.
Plate should arrive next Monday and I will know how everything fits.
Let me know if you guys would like me to share.
Hi loot bag, did the AEK one that you made a while ago worked out perfectly?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 21:27:40 »
I have a HHKB CAD/DXF file that I used to get a plate made over Taobao.
Made myself based on Duck's Viper/Eagle ALPS plate file and SwillKB.
Plate should arrive next Monday and I will know how everything fits.
Let me know if you guys would like me to share.

Oh sure, we'd really appreciate your contribution!  Let us know how it goes! ;D
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 30 June 2016, 09:51:38 »
I'm not sure I'm following what you're trying to do, but I think I can help somehow!

Are you designing alps plates that will work in standard 60% cases? Or is this just about reusing the caps/stabs that come with the boards originally?

I've got a few extra AT101Ws, one currently down to the plate, let me know what measurements and the best formatting for those measurements is (indexing off what?) Feel free to PM me if it's too technical.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 30 June 2016, 11:15:03 »
Both!  Though the AT101 and AT101W use the common 7/6.25u space bar layouts respectively so other key caps can be used as well!

The AT101W plate is at the point where it is more or less finished though (but not tested as of yet), but I could really use confirmation of particular measurements, specifically for the space bar stabs.  I'll PM you about that when I get home.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 01 July 2016, 20:45:20 »
I posted a pull request with the corner radii and return stabilizer fixed; however, I might need some help with the spacebar stabilizer pin mount (if we want it to be perfect). Unfortunately, I can't measure my plate more precisely until I find my calipers. That being said, this design does work so I feel like my work has finally paid off...

I'm just going to leave these here:


Current Drivers: Black Dell AT101W (Orange Alps, AT101 Caps) | IBM Model M (1994, Industrialized)
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #30 on: Sat, 02 July 2016, 02:41:48 »
Hi loot bag, did the AEK one that you made a while ago worked out perfectly?

Never worked on a AEK plate, only interested in HHKB really.

Oh sure, we'd really appreciate your contribution!  Let us know how it goes! ;D

Prototype arrived, everything fits great so far.
I need to buy a AT101W for keycaps and the 7U spacebar/stabilizer wire.



Need some confirmation here.
I forgot to make the cutout for center stem Caps Lock, instead it is shifted and will use the bottom two solder points.
The AT101w caps lock key should work for this position right?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #31 on: Sat, 02 July 2016, 08:35:30 »
I posted a pull request with the corner radii and return stabilizer fixed; however, I might need some help with the spacebar stabilizer pin mount (if we want it to be perfect). Unfortunately, I can't measure my plate more precisely until I find my calipers. That being said, this design does work so I feel like my work has finally paid off...

I'm just going to leave these here:
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Nice!  I will go ahead and merge your change.  Thanks! :thumb:

Hi loot bag, did the AEK one that you made a while ago worked out perfectly?

Never worked on a AEK plate, only interested in HHKB really.

Oh sure, we'd really appreciate your contribution!  Let us know how it goes! ;D

Prototype arrived, everything fits great so far.
I need to buy a AT101W for keycaps and the 7U spacebar/stabilizer wire.

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Need some confirmation here.
I forgot to make the cutout for center stem Caps Lock, instead it is shifted and will use the bottom two solder points.
The AT101w caps lock key should work for this position right?

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Wow, neat design! :)  And yes, stepped Caps Lock keys like the ones on the AT101 and AT101W will work with that.

Quick update too: My prototype AT101 plate should be coming in today or Tuesday.  I've also asked fletchINKy for help on some measurements, including some for the space bar pin stabs.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 03 July 2016, 00:45:29 »
Okay, so I did end up receiving my plate today.  Everything turned out very well, except for of course the space bar circular stabs, which do not hold the stabs at all.  This isn't a big issue since it will stay in when the space bar is in place, but it's still an annoying one.

I will mark the AT101 as finished and tested with the caveat that the stabs will need to be fixed.

EDIT: From an initial, imprecise measurement, it seems that the clip cutouts are closer to being 2.0mm squares than 2.5mm, I would be very grateful if anyone could confirm this or get more precise measurements.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 10:17:59 »
I have an (M3501, ANSI) AEK plate, its stabilizers, and some calipers handy, are there specific measurements you need?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 10:48:22 »
I have an (M3501, ANSI) AEK plate, its stabilizers, and some calipers handy, are there specific measurements you need?

We're mostly concerned with the spacebar stabilizer pin holder, if you could help us verify the measurements shown in blue here that would be great.



Now, not all of these are easy to take with a caliper (center-to-center measurements being rather difficult) so edge-to-edge measurements would be fine as long as we can derive the same quantities from them. Thanks!!
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 13:50:44 »
Hi guys, thank you for sharing. great job.

I have an (M3501, ANSI) AEK plate, its stabilizers, and some calipers handy, are there specific measurements you need?

We're mostly concerned with the spacebar stabilizer pin holder, if you could help us verify the measurements shown in blue here that would be great.

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Now, not all of these are easy to take with a caliper (center-to-center measurements being rather difficult) so edge-to-edge measurements would be fine as long as we can derive the same quantities from them. Thanks!!

This is the dimesion  from my flimsy caliper job.


I also have worked a AEK plate design in KiCAD these days and thinking of making it with 1.2mm PCB.
https://github.com/tmk/alps64/tree/plate.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 14:02:12 »
This is the dimesion  from my flimsy caliper job.
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You beat me to it.  Just finished; my measurements agree with yours.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 15:02:02 »
You beat me to it.  Just finished; my measurements agree with yours.
This is the dimesion  from my flimsy caliper job.
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Thank you both for these measurements, they are very appreciated! I'll update my AEK plate design when I get a chance.

I also have worked a AEK plate design in KiCAD these days and thinking of making it with 1.2mm PCB.
https://github.com/tmk/alps64/tree/plate.
I didn't realize you had a plate design, hasu; we'll have to update the OP to include yours as well (if you don't mind, that is). Are you thinking of adding support for other layouts too?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 15:40:50 »
Thanks for the help, cy384 and hasu.  I can definitely update the OP to include hasu's plate design, but to avoid confusion, we should probably only have the most accurate version of a particular layout in the OP.  Has it been tested to work perfectly?

As for the measurements for the clip cutouts adjacent to the circular stab, 2.4mm is an interesting figure.  FletchINKy has been very helpful in providing me with some additional measurements for these cutouts too.  They seem to differ a bit from what you guys have though.

An average of his measurements gives me approximately 2.2mm.  Let me know what you guys think of this.

Just from personal experience though I have found that the space bar peg stab fits more loosely on my AEK plate than it does on my other Alps plates.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 15:55:41 »
Thanks for the help, cy384 and hasu.  I can definitely update the OP to include hasu's plate design, but to avoid confusion, we should probably only have the most accurate version of a particular layout in the OP.  Has it been tested to work perfectly?

Given that my drawing is already in the DXF format that many laser cutting services use it might just be more convenient to leave mine, for now. hasu has way more experience with this kind of stuff, though, so if his plate design works perfectly then we should consider losing mine in favor of using his.

As for the measurements for the clip cutouts adjacent to the circular stab, 2.4mm is an interesting figure.  FletchINKy has been very helpful in providing me with some additional measurements for these cutouts too.  They seem to differ a bit from what you guys have though.

An average of his measurements gives me approximately 2.2mm.  Let me know what you guys think of this.

Just from personal experience though I have found that the space bar peg stab fits more loosely on my AEK plate than it does on my other Alps plates.

I think that I will go with the 2.2mm measurement when I rework mine, then. They fit pretty loosely in my stock AEK plate and considering that at 2.5mm the mount was very loose, I think opting for the smaller size is safer.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 17:16:03 »
I just noticed this thread.  Keep up the good work guys.

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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 05 July 2016, 18:42:41 »
Thanks for the help, cy384 and hasu.  I can definitely update the OP to include hasu's plate design, but to avoid confusion, we should probably only have the most accurate version of a particular layout in the OP.  Has it been tested to work perfectly?

As for the measurements for the clip cutouts adjacent to the circular stab, 2.4mm is an interesting figure.  FletchINKy has been very helpful in providing me with some additional measurements for these cutouts too.  They seem to differ a bit from what you guys have though.

An average of his measurements gives me approximately 2.2mm.  Let me know what you guys think of this.

Just from personal experience though I have found that the space bar peg stab fits more loosely on my AEK plate than it does on my other Alps plates.

The 2.4mm is from my AEK2(and AEK1), are you sure he got teh measurement from AEK plate?  From FletchINKy's post, I guess his plate is AT101W.


And I need some help.

1. Screw hole
Swill's tool and our DXFs uses 5.0mm by default for screw holes, is it commonly used in the community? Original Poker X screws(with washer) have 5.4mm dia, the holes are too small for them at least.
I'm thinking of going with 6.3mm, the bigger holes are the easier one handles screws.



2. Switch cutout size
Swill's tool and our DXFs uses 15.6mm x 12.8mm and AEK2 plate uses 15.6mm x 12.9mm size from my measurement. Meanwhile, datasheet says it is 15.5mm x 12.8mm and I'm using this size on my design but it is too snug with switches?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 06 July 2016, 02:16:21 »
Yes, his measurements are from an AT101W, sorry for not clarifying that.

2. I can say that switches fit without issue in 15.6mm x 12.8mm cutouts, and are not too snug; I don't believe 15.5mm x 12.8mm cutouts will cause issues.

I have went ahead and updated the AT101 and AT101W plates to use 2.2mm clip cutouts for the circular stabilizers, I've also adjusted the two bottom space bar stabs on the AT101W based on fletchINKy's measurements.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 07 July 2016, 00:04:12 »
Thanks emdude,
I'll go with 15.5mmx12.8mm as the datasheet says. And finished my design.



I'll make a plate and report it here some later.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 07 July 2016, 20:14:06 »
Update: Threw together AT101 and AT101W plates with Costar-style space bar stabilizers based on the measurements of Costar-stabilized versions of the plates generated by Swill's tool.  Let me know if there are any issues with these.





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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 14 July 2016, 00:19:43 »
Thanks emdude,
I'll go with 15.5mmx12.8mm as the datasheet says. And finished my design.

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I'll make a plate and report it here some later.

Got AEK PCB plate and checked it with my Alps64 PCB, original AEK plate and Poker X case. Space bar and stabilized keys work and I didn't find any problem so far.
I didn't solder switches and fully assembled them though, I'd say my AEK plate is ready.



You can get KiCAD design files and DXF exported by KiCAD here.
https://github.com/tmk/alps64/tree/Plate_AEK_RevA
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 14 July 2016, 11:19:28 »
Oh good!  I don't think Wingpad will mind if I use your plate design for the OP.  Thanks hasu! :D
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 14 July 2016, 11:23:36 »
Got AEK PCB plate and checked it with my Alps64 PCB, original AEK plate and Poker X case. Space bar and stabilized keys work and I didn't find any problem so far.
I didn't solder switches and fully assembled them though, I'd say my AEK plate is ready.
Oh good!  I don't think Wingpad will mind if I use your plate design for the OP.  Thanks hasu! :D
Awesome, that's good to hear. Thanks, hasu!

I don't mind at all :thumb:
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 22 July 2016, 06:07:57 »
Sorry guys, I've been pretty busy lately, and just caught up on this thread.

It seems things got squared away? My dissimilar measurements were accurate, but being accidentally compared to an AEK?

I plan on using this 60% layout to cut some harvested plates down to fit standard 60 cases.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 22 July 2016, 11:06:05 »
Yeah, we ultimately used your measurements for the space bar stab clip cutouts.  Everything should be good to go, pending prototypes for the AT101W layout, which I may be able to do in a few months. 

The .DXFs or the image files should work just fine as templates for cutting up larger plates, good luck!
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 12:07:44 »
Anyone know how to calculate the total path length for a dxf (or dwg) file? I have freecad (but not autocad), and can download anything else that's free.

I'm trying to get an AEK plate made by lasergist, but I need to know the path length (and they don't seem to be responding to the contact form).

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 12:19:33 »
Anyone know how to calculate the total path length for a dxf (or dwg) file? I have freecad (but not autocad), and can download anything else that's free.

I'm trying to get an AEK plate made by lasergist, but I need to know the path length (and they don't seem to be responding to the contact form).

If you don't get an answer before the end of the day, I can grab the path length using Autocad for you when I get home.  I haven't really used Freecad so I'm afraid I do not know how to find path length using it.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 12:23:54 »
That would be awesome!

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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 16:12:10 »
Yeah, we ultimately used your measurements for the space bar stab clip cutouts.  Everything should be good to go, pending prototypes for the AT101W layout, which I may be able to do in a few months. 

The .DXFs or the image files should work just fine as templates for cutting up larger plates, good luck!

I noticed in the latest version of the Dell and AEK plates, there isn't a cutout for the centre mounting bolt to the case. Is this intentional? I'm throwing together a quick layout for the ISO version of the Dell board (AT102W) just to check the dimensions (this is a bit quick and dirty, using a bog-standard ruler, as I don't have my calipers with me. I'm wondering if it's possible to have a plate that is both compatible with Dell ANSI keyset and the Tai-Hao keyset (Costar spacebar). Just glancing at the plate layout for both, I think it's probably possible to have a plate with cutouts for both costar and alps clips.

Can anyone have a look at my ISO plate and chime in (sorry if the dimensions are a bit out of whack, I was just eyeballing it). I might try getting these laser-cut and see what happens. There's a laser shop near my work, but they have a 125GBP minimum order :(
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 16:45:37 »
Yes, the lack of a cutout for the center screw is intentional; an Alps switch cutout is wider than that of a Cherry MX switch.  I'm not sure if there would be enough clearance between the two switches to fit in the screw (though I have not tested this).

I can put together a plate that supports both the Alps-style and Costar-style stabilizers for the space bar later, as well.

As for the AT102W plate, I cannot take a look at it right now, but if you are unsure of your measurements, then I recommend generating a plate using Swill's plate builder first then modifying it as needed.  The measurements used to generate the plate work just fine (at least for ANSI layouts), the only modification that should be needed are for the space bar stabs and also the ISO Enter which, from a cursory look, appears to have the proper cutout, albeit with mirrored stabs.  I can also put together an AT102W plate if you'd like.

For getting a plate cut, I recommend using Lasergist.  Their services are much cheaper.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 16:58:42 »
Yes, the lack of a cutout for the center screw is intentional; an Alps switch cutout is wider than that of a Cherry MX switch.  I'm not sure if there would be enough clearance between the two switches to fit in the screw (though I have not tested this).

I can put together a plate that supports both the Alps-style and Costar-style stabilizers for the space bar later, as well.

As for the AT102W plate, I cannot take a look at it right now, but if you are unsure of your measurements, then I recommend generating a plate using Swill's plate builder first then modifying it as needed.  The measurements used to generate the plate work just fine (at least for ANSI layouts), the only modification that should be needed are for the space bar stabs and also the ISO Enter which, from a cursory look, appears to have the proper cutout, albeit with mirrored stabs.  I can also put together an AT102W plate if you'd like.

For getting a plate cut, I recommend using Lasergist.  Their services are much cheaper.

That's basically what I did, I got the printout for Swill's plate builder with an ISO format, then moved the bits around until it roughly matches an AT102W I had around. I think the holes for the spacebar clips are a bit further up than swill's tool generated, since I wasn't sure the geometry was possible to make by laser cutting (the bottom edge of the cutout had a thickness of like 0.02mm... seems a bit low). I also had to manually place the holes where the two columns on the spacebar go into (again, kinda eyeballed it with a bog standard, pretty imprecise ruler)

Never heard of lasergist before, have you had any experiences using them? How much would a 60% plate typically cost using this service?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 17:13:08 »
Ah, all right.  What I also like to do, if you have not tried this yourself, is to get a 1:1 scale print out to overlay over a bare plate.  It's pretty silly and probably a bit imprecise, but it might help catch some errors.  It's helped me at least once.

A few other members and I have got plates made at Lasergist. I had the AT101 prototype made using their service.  They charge about $40 for a 60%-sized plate, free shipping from Greece included.  The quality is pretty good, their laser cutters can handle that 0.02mm thickness you mentioned just fine (I will double-check this when I get home though).

EDIT: To further clarify, the specs for their laser cutter have a tolerance of 0.01mm.

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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 17:25:43 »
Ah, all right.  What I also like to do, if you have not tried this yourself, is to get a 1:1 scale print out to overlay over a bare plate.  It's pretty silly and probably a bit imprecise, but it might help catch some errors.  It's helped me at least once.

A few other members and I have got plates made at Lasergist. I had the AT101 prototype made using their service.  They charge about $40 for a 60%-sized plate, free shipping from Greece included.  The quality is pretty good, their laser cutters can handle that 0.02mm thickness you mentioned just fine.

Basically the reason I moved the clip hole up a few tenths of a mm was because I got this plate from someone over at DT, and it had a defect near the clip position:
https://imgur.com/a/G2ABz

Just thought putting a bit more material in the way would avoid this happening. I'll probably take your advice and do a 1:1 print at work tomorrow, and compare it with the plate. That should help.

I'll request a quote from the laser cutting house near me. They have a pretty high minimum order, but it's worth having a look just for the sake of comparison (I'm planning to get some 1800 plates cut as well, so combining the orders might meet their minimum amount anyway.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 19:52:32 »
Anyone know how to calculate the total path length for a dxf (or dwg) file? I have freecad (but not autocad), and can download anything else that's free.

I'm trying to get an AEK plate made by lasergist, but I need to know the path length (and they don't seem to be responding to the contact form).

If you don't get an answer before the end of the day, I can grab the path length using Autocad for you when I get home.  I haven't really used Freecad so I'm afraid I do not know how to find path length using it.

The path length is 4446.3479mm, which sounds about right.

Yes, the lack of a cutout for the center screw is intentional; an Alps switch cutout is wider than that of a Cherry MX switch.  I'm not sure if there would be enough clearance between the two switches to fit in the screw (though I have not tested this).

I can put together a plate that supports both the Alps-style and Costar-style stabilizers for the space bar later, as well.

As for the AT102W plate, I cannot take a look at it right now, but if you are unsure of your measurements, then I recommend generating a plate using Swill's plate builder first then modifying it as needed.  The measurements used to generate the plate work just fine (at least for ANSI layouts), the only modification that should be needed are for the space bar stabs and also the ISO Enter which, from a cursory look, appears to have the proper cutout, albeit with mirrored stabs.  I can also put together an AT102W plate if you'd like.

For getting a plate cut, I recommend using Lasergist.  Their services are much cheaper.

That's basically what I did, I got the printout for Swill's plate builder with an ISO format, then moved the bits around until it roughly matches an AT102W I had around. I think the holes for the spacebar clips are a bit further up than swill's tool generated, since I wasn't sure the geometry was possible to make by laser cutting (the bottom edge of the cutout had a thickness of like 0.02mm... seems a bit low). I also had to manually place the holes where the two columns on the spacebar go into (again, kinda eyeballed it with a bog standard, pretty imprecise ruler)

Never heard of lasergist before, have you had any experiences using them? How much would a 60% plate typically cost using this service?

Okay, I was incorrect, the measurement I got was 0.1171mm, which sounds much more reasonable.  This was for both the AT101 and AT101W plates, so I guess this is what should be generated from Swill's tool.  I am a little bit confused about your figure now, it does seem rather small.

Am I correct in saying this was what you needed clarification on:

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 20:11:15 »


Yes, the lack of a cutout for the center screw is intentional; an Alps switch cutout is wider than that of a Cherry MX switch.  I'm not sure if there would be enough clearance between the two switches to fit in the screw (though I have not tested this).

I can put together a plate that supports both the Alps-style and Costar-style stabilizers for the space bar later, as well.

As for the AT102W plate, I cannot take a look at it right now, but if you are unsure of your measurements, then I recommend generating a plate using Swill's plate builder first then modifying it as needed.  The measurements used to generate the plate work just fine (at least for ANSI layouts), the only modification that should be needed are for the space bar stabs and also the ISO Enter which, from a cursory look, appears to have the proper cutout, albeit with mirrored stabs.  I can also put together an AT102W plate if you'd like.

For getting a plate cut, I recommend using Lasergist.  Their services are much cheaper.

That's basically what I did, I got the printout for Swill's plate builder with an ISO format, then moved the bits around until it roughly matches an AT102W I had around. I think the holes for the spacebar clips are a bit further up than swill's tool generated, since I wasn't sure the geometry was possible to make by laser cutting (the bottom edge of the cutout had a thickness of like 0.02mm... seems a bit low). I also had to manually place the holes where the two columns on the spacebar go into (again, kinda eyeballed it with a bog standard, pretty imprecise ruler)

Never heard of lasergist before, have you had any experiences using them? How much would a 60% plate typically cost using this service?

Okay, I was incorrect, the measurement I got was 0.1171mm, which sounds much more reasonable.  This was for both the AT101 and AT101W plates, so I guess this is what should be generated from Swill's tool.  I am a little bit confused about your figure now, it does seem rather small.

Am I correct in saying this was what you needed clarification on:

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Yes that's the guy! Maybe I misread the printout when I was measuring that distance. In any case, I've moved the hole up to 0.3mm in my drawing (from that miniscule 0.11mm like your picture). That shouldn't affect normal operation of the stabiliser wire should it?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 21:05:54 »
It shouldn't..  But I'm not sure, probably best to check with the printout.

In any case, Lasergist should be able to handle that 0.11mm without issue.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 00:17:10 »
Anyone know how to calculate the total path length for a dxf (or dwg) file? I have freecad (but not autocad), and can download anything else that's free.

I'm trying to get an AEK plate made by lasergist, but I need to know the path length (and they don't seem to be responding to the contact form).

You can get the length with QCAD or LibreCAD.
1) Select all of the paths with Menu: Select > Select All
2) Go to Menu: Info > Total length of ...
http://www.qcad.org/doc/qcad/3.15.4/reference/en/scripts/Pro/Information/InfoTotalLength/doc/InfoTotalLength_en.html

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 00:34:20 »
It shouldn't..  But I'm not sure, probably best to check with the printout.

In any case, Lasergist should be able to handle that 0.11mm without issue.

Alternative solution.  You can find pathlength in Inkscape by using Extensions->Visualize Path->Measure.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 09:58:09 »
Ok. Ordered Hasu's AEK plate on Lasergist. Will post pictures when it arrives.

Looking forward to (finally) finishing my AEK build.

Once I get my keyboard built, happy to get that GB off the ground with the supplier in LA that Emdude found (although with shipping, the price probably won't be that much lower than Lasergist).

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« Reply #64 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 13:34:51 »
Ok. Ordered Hasu's AEK plate on Lasergist. Will post pictures when it arrives.

Looking forward to (finally) finishing my AEK build.

Once I get my keyboard built, happy to get that GB off the ground with the supplier in LA that Emdude found (although with shipping, the price probably won't be that much lower than Lasergist).

What what what GB? I must''be missed that bit!  :p
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 15:45:38 »
60% AEK plates and potentially also AT101 plates if we have a working design/enough interest.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 15:51:04 »
Just wanted to confirm that the center screw hole position isn't needed. The wider Alps switches preclude using a screw in that position, so no need for a screw hole there.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 12:50:58 »
Just wanted to confirm that the center screw hole position isn't needed. The wider Alps switches preclude using a screw in that position, so no need for a screw hole there.

I see, thanks for the clarification!
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 07 August 2016, 16:02:31 »
Another update: I modified the measurements of the Costar-style stabilizers on the relevant plates, for some reason the measurements were a bit off.

I also added a plate design that supports the keysets currently produced by Tai-hao (Dolch, Olivette, and WoB).  Please note that the important distinction here is the use of Costar-style stabilizers for the space bar and an unstepped Caps Lock.  If you plan to use a Tai-hao keyset, use this design and not the AT101W.

As always, if you are willing to have an untested plate made, please report here with your results.  Any input on issues would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: Have spotted an issue with the Tai-Hao plate, will be fixing later this evening. FIXED.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 10 August 2016, 11:31:43 »
I contacted Lasergist about any possibility of steel between 1 and 1.5mm thick and here is their response;

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Thanks for getting in touch! In fact we do have 1.2mm Stainless Steel available for laser cutting.
The price would be the same as using 1.5mm if you want to check out some pricing on our Product Configurator: http://lasergist.com/shop/lasergist
 
We can also provide you with custom pricing depending on your request- so, what are you interested in making?
 
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 10 August 2016, 11:40:50 »
Yes, Hasu had an AEK plate made with his design and it worked without issue: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69740.msg2221632#msg2221632
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 10 August 2016, 11:52:34 »
I contacted Lasergist about any possibility of steel between 1 and 1.5mm thick and here is their response;

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Hello MandrewDavis,
 
Thanks for getting in touch! In fact we do have 1.2mm Stainless Steel available for laser cutting.
The price would be the same as using 1.5mm if you want to check out some pricing on our Product Configurator: http://lasergist.com/shop/lasergist
 
We can also provide you with custom pricing depending on your request- so, what are you interested in making?


 
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Also, is the AEK plate design final?

Hi peeps,

I too have been making some inquiries to laser houses around my area (turns out there is one laser cutting company right down the road from my office. They have confirmed they can provide plates of both 1.5mm (Cherry) and 1.2mm (Alps) in both stainless steel and Aly 6082 (good all-around alloy, good price to tensile performance too, although that isn't gonna make much of a difference in the application for keyboard plates)

I'm probably going to be making an order from them within the next few weeks, just waiting for my workload to drop off a little so I can have a bit more time for keyboards... Also they have a minimum order of £125, so I'm probably going to order more plates than I need (planning to get some Cherry 1800 plates cut as well). Just spending a bit of time tweaking my Dell ISO files.

Also, I've been looking at the Alpine Winter keyset, and obtained some excess keys from SP grab bags. I was quite surprised to find that all their large keys have cherry stems (spacebars, shifts, enters and such). Does anyone here have an Alpine Winter set in their possession? I'm curious to find out how you stabilise the mods. Do you just use your Alps wire holder with Costar stem insert? How well does it work and does it hold the key in place without wobbling? Would be great if anyone can chime in on this.

I'll keep working on my Dell ISO plate and try and get it cut, and report my findings here.

Anyone here based in the UK/EU? I'm going to have quite a few AEK plates cut based on Hasu's files, since he confirmed fitment with his FR-4 plate, probably will have a few extras afterwards.

Edit: I also forgot to ask, what is an appropriate corner radius to use for best compatibilities with the 60% cases on the market (be it aluminium like the Tex cases or plastic Aliexpress ones)
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #72 on: Wed, 10 August 2016, 13:02:17 »
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I contacted Lasergist about any possibility of steel between 1 and 1.5mm thick and here is their response;

Quote from: Lasergist
Hello MandrewDavis,
 
Thanks for getting in touch! In fact we do have 1.2mm Stainless Steel available for laser cutting.
The price would be the same as using 1.5mm if you want to check out some pricing on our Product Configurator: http://lasergist.com/shop/lasergist
 
We can also provide you with custom pricing depending on your request- so, what are you interested in making?

Edit: I also forgot to ask, what is an appropriate corner radius to use for best compatibilities with the 60% cases on the market (be it aluminium like the Tex cases or plastic Aliexpress ones)
 
--
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Also, is the AEK plate design final?

Hi peeps,

I too have been making some inquiries to laser houses around my area (turns out there is one laser cutting company right down the road from my office. They have confirmed they can provide plates of both 1.5mm (Cherry) and 1.2mm (Alps) in both stainless steel and Aly 6082 (good all-around alloy, good price to tensile performance too, although that isn't gonna make much of a difference in the application for keyboard plates)

I'm probably going to be making an order from them within the next few weeks, just waiting for my workload to drop off a little so I can have a bit more time for keyboards... Also they have a minimum order of £125, so I'm probably going to order more plates than I need (planning to get some Cherry 1800 plates cut as well). Just spending a bit of time tweaking my Dell ISO files.

Also, I've been looking at the Alpine Winter keyset, and obtained some excess keys from SP grab bags. I was quite surprised to find that all their large keys have cherry stems (spacebars, shifts, enters and such). Does anyone here have an Alpine Winter set in their possession? I'm curious to find out how you stabilise the mods. Do you just use your Alps wire holder with Costar stem insert? How well does it work and does it hold the key in place without wobbling? Would be great if anyone can chime in on this.

More
I'll keep working on my Dell ISO plate and try and get it cut, and report my findings here.

Anyone here based in the UK/EU? I'm going to have quite a few AEK plates cut based on Hasu's files, since he confirmed fitment with his FR-4 plate, probably will have a few extras afterwards.

Ooh, finally something I can answer without breaking the Chinese wall for this open source project.

The Alpine Winter caps require a cruciform stabilizer insert, and this can be used with the classic Alps stabilizer clip (the small rectangle on the board).  The Matias stabilizer sets have the plastic parts you will need for this.  They also include stabilizer wires, but the lengths are incorrect.  This can be easily remedied by rebending the stab wires.  Some folks have been using wire bending tools for this task, while I personally have been using pliers/hammer/anvil to do it.  Either way, correctly rebending the wires produces a well stabilized cap that doesn't have any noticeable rocking or fluttering.

Here is a link to the Matias stabilizers.

Here is a link to a size reference.  (Edit: for the Alpine Winter caps.)

Here is a link to the GB I had for the stabilizers with some pictures and pricing info.  Hint: cheaper in bulk.


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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #73 on: Wed, 10 August 2016, 14:15:08 »
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I contacted Lasergist about any possibility of steel between 1 and 1.5mm thick and here is their response;

Quote from: Lasergist
Hello MandrewDavis,
 
Thanks for getting in touch! In fact we do have 1.2mm Stainless Steel available for laser cutting.
The price would be the same as using 1.5mm if you want to check out some pricing on our Product Configurator: http://lasergist.com/shop/lasergist
 
We can also provide you with custom pricing depending on your request- so, what are you interested in making?

Edit: I also forgot to ask, what is an appropriate corner radius to use for best compatibilities with the 60% cases on the market (be it aluminium like the Tex cases or plastic Aliexpress ones)
 
--
Lasergist.com

Also, is the AEK plate design final?

Hi peeps,

I too have been making some inquiries to laser houses around my area (turns out there is one laser cutting company right down the road from my office. They have confirmed they can provide plates of both 1.5mm (Cherry) and 1.2mm (Alps) in both stainless steel and Aly 6082 (good all-around alloy, good price to tensile performance too, although that isn't gonna make much of a difference in the application for keyboard plates)

I'm probably going to be making an order from them within the next few weeks, just waiting for my workload to drop off a little so I can have a bit more time for keyboards... Also they have a minimum order of £125, so I'm probably going to order more plates than I need (planning to get some Cherry 1800 plates cut as well). Just spending a bit of time tweaking my Dell ISO files.

Also, I've been looking at the Alpine Winter keyset, and obtained some excess keys from SP grab bags. I was quite surprised to find that all their large keys have cherry stems (spacebars, shifts, enters and such). Does anyone here have an Alpine Winter set in their possession? I'm curious to find out how you stabilise the mods. Do you just use your Alps wire holder with Costar stem insert? How well does it work and does it hold the key in place without wobbling? Would be great if anyone can chime in on this.

More
I'll keep working on my Dell ISO plate and try and get it cut, and report my findings here.

Anyone here based in the UK/EU? I'm going to have quite a few AEK plates cut based on Hasu's files, since he confirmed fitment with his FR-4 plate, probably will have a few extras afterwards.

Ooh, finally something I can answer without breaking the Chinese wall for this open source project.

The Alpine Winter caps require a cruciform stabilizer insert, and this can be used with the classic Alps stabilizer clip (the small rectangle on the board).  The Matias stabilizer sets have the plastic parts you will need for this.  They also include stabilizer wires, but the lengths are incorrect.  This can be easily remedied by rebending the stab wires.  Some folks have been using wire bending tools for this task, while I personally have been using pliers/hammer/anvil to do it.  Either way, correctly rebending the wires produces a well stabilized cap that doesn't have any noticeable rocking or fluttering.

Here is a link to the Matias stabilizers.

Here is a link to a size reference.  (Edit: for the Alpine Winter caps.)

Here is a link to the GB I had for the stabilizers with some pictures and pricing info.  Hint: cheaper in bulk.

Ah thanks for chiming in, I do have on hand a Matias clip set, can confirm they include Costar-looking inserts for their spacebar. I do have a set of Costar stabiliser inserts lying about somewhere. I can try and find them to do a quick side-by-side against the inserts in the Matias set, but from a quick visual inspection (read: just eyeballin' it) of the Matias spacebar insert, they seem identical. I'll carry on with the assumptions that the modifier keys in AW keyset can all use Costar insert with bent wires like those pictures.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 10 August 2016, 21:07:29 »
Whoops, accidentally quoted the main post. :P

Anyhow, fixed the Tai-hao plate.

Edit: I also forgot to ask, what is an appropriate corner radius to use for best compatibilities with the 60% cases on the market (be it aluminium like the Tex cases or plastic Aliexpress ones)

It is 2.5mm (at least for the cheap plastic case I got as well as Hasu's Alps64 PCB).
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 10 August 2016, 22:57:05 »
Just got my AEK plate in 304 Stainless from Lasergist. I ordered it on August 2nd, and it arrived today in San Francisco, so turnaround time was pretty fast. Fit and finish is good - the top is perfect, and only a few scratches on the bottom (I didn't choose back side brushing or the touch up bath). It cost me $43 including trackable shipping, which is a lot less than big blue saw wanted.

The cutouts for keys seems to match up perfectly with the stock AEK plate.

I ordered 1MM thick steel, and the ALPS switches clip in just fine.

I will probably build it up this weekend if I get time.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #76 on: Sat, 13 August 2016, 11:21:18 »
Just got my AEK plate in 304 Stainless from Lasergist. I ordered it on August 2nd, and it arrived today in San Francisco, so turnaround time was pretty fast. Fit and finish is good - the top is perfect, and only a few scratches on the bottom (I didn't choose back side brushing or the touch up bath). It cost me $43 including trackable shipping, which is a lot less than big blue saw wanted.

The cutouts for keys seems to match up perfectly with the stock AEK plate.

I ordered 1MM thick steel, and the ALPS switches clip in just fine.

I will probably build it up this weekend if I get time.

(Attachment Link)

That looks pretty damn good! Did you use Hasu's plate file?

I just got a quote from a local laser shop as well for my AEK/Dell ISO plate, looks like my local shop can do the plates for £20 for each AEK plate in either Stainless or Aly 5251 (no cost differential between materials). The difference between the path length between AEK plate and Dell plate (2 extra switch holes) ended up being only a few pennies. They don't offer any surface finishing option or post processing (deburring, anodising or so forth). They do have the appropriate thicknesses in both materials (I asked for 6082 but they don't stock 6000 series under 3mm thick)

I'm going to make an order for a few plates in both materials at the end of the month and report back.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #77 on: Sat, 13 August 2016, 17:35:28 »
Yeah. It's Hasu's design. I just built it up today - actually typing on it right now.

Sounds you got a really good price on that plate.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 13 August 2016, 17:39:44 »
The final product looks very nice; what switches does it use?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 13 August 2016, 19:25:11 »
I'm using cream ALPS switches harvested from an AEKII.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 17 August 2016, 22:47:41 »
A quick update:  I recently made a Big-Ass Enter (BAE) plate based on the IBM 5140 for a personal build, I will add it to the repo.  Please note that this is a Winkeyless layout and will NOT work with all BAE keys (e.g. like those from Focus or Northgate keyboards); I have seen at least three or four different ways by which a BAE is stabilized.

This plate also uses the updated measurements for the space bar circular stab; I have confirmed these measurements to work just fine with the 5140 plate.  As the AT101 plate also uses an identical 7u space bar, I can now confirm it to work without any issues!
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 01:01:25 »
Thanks to all for their efforts for making open source plate designs a reality.

I have 3 Alps64 PCBs lying around waiting to be built for a few friends.  As such, I'll be cutting several plates.

If anyone else is interested in a plate, I can look into having a few extra cut, as it might be slightly more cost effective to have several made.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #82 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 01:06:17 »
Thanks to all for their efforts for making open source plate designs a reality.

I have 3 Alps64 PCBs lying around waiting to be built for a few friends.  As such, I'll be cutting several plates.

If anyone else is interested in a plate, I can look into having a few extra cut, as it might be slightly more cost effective to have several made.

Oh, cool!  Which layouts do you plan to use?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 10:40:51 »
Thanks to all for their efforts for making open source plate designs a reality.

I have 3 Alps64 PCBs lying around waiting to be built for a few friends.  As such, I'll be cutting several plates.

If anyone else is interested in a plate, I can look into having a few extra cut, as it might be slightly more cost effective to have several made.

Oh, cool!  Which layouts do you plan to use?

I'm thinking 3 AEK, or 2 AEK + 1 plate supporting tao hao alps keycaps (one off using lasergist).   The AEK plates would probably be most effective getting cut locally with increasing quantity.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 10:53:15 »
Thanks to all for their efforts for making open source plate designs a reality.

I have 3 Alps64 PCBs lying around waiting to be built for a few friends.  As such, I'll be cutting several plates.

If anyone else is interested in a plate, I can look into having a few extra cut, as it might be slightly more cost effective to have several made.

Oh, cool!  Which layouts do you plan to use?

I'm thinking 3 AEK, or 2 AEK + 1 plate supporting tao hao alps keycaps (one off using lasergist).   The AEK plates would probably be most effective getting cut locally with increasing quantity.

Okay, please let me know how the Tai-hao plate comes out!
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #85 on: Tue, 13 September 2016, 18:14:02 »
Hi loot bag, did the AEK one that you made a while ago worked out perfectly?

Never worked on a AEK plate, only interested in HHKB really.

Oh sure, we'd really appreciate your contribution!  Let us know how it goes! ;D

Prototype arrived, everything fits great so far.
I need to buy a AT101W for keycaps and the 7U spacebar/stabilizer wire.

Show Image


Need some confirmation here.
I forgot to make the cutout for center stem Caps Lock, instead it is shifted and will use the bottom two solder points.
The AT101w caps lock key should work for this position right?

Show Image


How did that end up working out?
« Last Edit: Tue, 13 September 2016, 18:18:19 by Slippery_John »

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #86 on: Tue, 13 September 2016, 21:50:51 »
@Slippery_John, I saw your original message and finally got around to uploading HHKB and Infinity plates.  I recommend doing a test printout to at least check the bottom row against a key set or Hasu's Alps64 PCB; everything should be fine though.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 15 September 2016, 18:25:57 »
Lasergist Steel plate arrived.

Let the adventure begin.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #88 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 01:07:49 »
Hi guys, I'm trying to load the dxf file for the AT101 into pretty much any program that can read dxf.
Always shows up empty?
Would anyone be so kind to upload it as an .eps or svg?
regards
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edit...
nvm I managed to open it in houdini...and re-export.
thanks!!!
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #89 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 01:31:41 »
Hi guys, I'm trying to load the dxf file for the AT101 into pretty much any program that can read dxf.
Always shows up empty?
Would anyone be so kind to upload it as an .eps or svg?
regards
-s

That's strange, I can open the 'Direct' downloaded file just fine in FreeCAD.  Sorry about that, I've attached an SVG.  Let me know if you need anything else.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 01:43:39 »
Thanks for your help emdude!!
Hi guys, I'm trying to load the dxf file for the AT101 into pretty much any program that can read dxf.
Always shows up empty?
Would anyone be so kind to upload it as an .eps or svg?
regards
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That's strange, I can open the 'Direct' downloaded file just fine in FreeCAD.  Sorry about that, I've attached an SVG.  Let me know if you need anything else.


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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #91 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 05:04:15 »
FYI emdude.
I uploaded the linked dxf file to lasergist.com and they said the file was invalid also.
Seems like some programs can read it and some can't.
I sent them the svg you attached. So thank you again for that.
cheers
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 13:28:58 »
emdude,
QCAD refuses to open AT101.dxf but I can open it with LibreCAD and it includes some LISP code on layer :D
The LISP code probably causes the problem with Lasergist and some CADs?



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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 14:09:18 »
emdude,
QCAD refuses to open AT101.dxf but I can open it with LibreCAD and it includes some LISP code on layer :D
The LISP code probably causes the problem with Lasergist and some CADs?

(Attachment Link)

Thanks for letting me know, that was what I using to find total path length of objects, but it looks like I somehow imported the code block as actual objects.  :-X

EDIT: For ease of use, I think I will upload SVG versions of all the plate designs when I can get around to it.

EDIT 2: And done.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 22:56:09 »
removed.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 06 November 2016, 19:24:07 »
Hi emdude,

I am unable to open the Dell AT101W file in AutoCAD 2017 (or any of the direct .dxf files for that matter). Upon opening the files as plaintext, I noticed a section at the end of the file named Thumbnail_Data, could this be what's causing the failure to open the file? I don't know enough about the actual file structure of .dxf to comment about this or how to fix these files.
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« Reply #96 on: Sun, 06 November 2016, 19:30:08 »
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #97 on: Sun, 06 November 2016, 20:21:01 »
Hi emdude,

I am unable to open the Dell AT101W file in AutoCAD 2017 (or any of the direct .dxf files for that matter). Upon opening the files as plaintext, I noticed a section at the end of the file named Thumbnail_Data, could this be what's causing the failure to open the file? I don't know enough about the actual file structure of .dxf to comment about this or how to fix these files.

AT101W.dxf seems to has two excess lines, remove them at the beginning and end of the file.
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...
>>>>>>> cbbad0bf702589c60d733f9f0721427f232183cc
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 06 November 2016, 20:25:32 »
Hi emdude,

I am unable to open the Dell AT101W file in AutoCAD 2017 (or any of the direct .dxf files for that matter). Upon opening the files as plaintext, I noticed a section at the end of the file named Thumbnail_Data, could this be what's causing the failure to open the file? I don't know enough about the actual file structure of .dxf to comment about this or how to fix these files.

Hi emdude,

I am unable to open the Dell AT101W file in AutoCAD 2017 (or any of the direct .dxf files for that matter). Upon opening the files as plaintext, I noticed a section at the end of the file named Thumbnail_Data, could this be what's causing the failure to open the file? I don't know enough about the actual file structure of .dxf to comment about this or how to fix these files.

AT101W.dxf seems to has two excess lines, remove them at the beginning and end of the file.
Code: [Select]
<<<<<<< HEAD
...
>>>>>>> cbbad0bf702589c60d733f9f0721427f232183cc

Thanks a ton, hasu, and sorry about the issue, duynguyenle.  I'll go ahead and fix this.  AutoCAD is really picky when it comes to .dxf files, but a program like FreeCAD should work too.

EDIT:  It is fixed.  It appears that only the standard AT101W had those extraneous lines so everything else should work.  Please let me know if you run into any other issues.

Those seem to be conflict markers generated by git, I suppose AutoCAD wouldn't have any of it.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #99 on: Wed, 09 November 2016, 14:59:14 »
Hi emdude,

I am unable to open the Dell AT101W file in AutoCAD 2017 (or any of the direct .dxf files for that matter). Upon opening the files as plaintext, I noticed a section at the end of the file named Thumbnail_Data, could this be what's causing the failure to open the file? I don't know enough about the actual file structure of .dxf to comment about this or how to fix these files.

Hi emdude,

I am unable to open the Dell AT101W file in AutoCAD 2017 (or any of the direct .dxf files for that matter). Upon opening the files as plaintext, I noticed a section at the end of the file named Thumbnail_Data, could this be what's causing the failure to open the file? I don't know enough about the actual file structure of .dxf to comment about this or how to fix these files.

AT101W.dxf seems to has two excess lines, remove them at the beginning and end of the file.
Code: [Select]
<<<<<<< HEAD
...
>>>>>>> cbbad0bf702589c60d733f9f0721427f232183cc

Thanks a ton, hasu, and sorry about the issue, duynguyenle.  I'll go ahead and fix this.  AutoCAD is really picky when it comes to .dxf files, but a program like FreeCAD should work too.

EDIT:  It is fixed.  It appears that only the standard AT101W had those extraneous lines so everything else should work.  Please let me know if you run into any other issues.

Those seem to be conflict markers generated by git, I suppose AutoCAD wouldn't have any of it.

Thanks for your efforts :)
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #100 on: Fri, 18 November 2016, 07:39:15 »
I had the Tai-Hao plate made and found one issue: the stab cutouts on the right shift are just a bit too far apart. I ended up having to cut my own stab wire from a spare space bar wire.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #101 on: Fri, 18 November 2016, 09:44:49 »
Wow!!! This is so awesome!

A GB can finally be run for any Alps plate layout. Thank you emdude and everyone who contributed.

Question, I see different formatting in the description. I see

1. Alps Style, Costar Style stabilizers (untested)
2. Alps Style (untested)
    Costar Style (untested)


Does the first formatting mean that Alps Style is confirmed and the Costar is untested. Or does it mean both are untested?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #102 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 20:52:25 »
I had the Tai-Hao plate made and found one issue: the stab cutouts on the right shift are just a bit too far apart. I ended up having to cut my own stab wire from a spare space bar wire.

any idea on how the design be corrected? i am currently asking asking to cut this same plate for me and i have no access nor experience with the applications used to make the necessary adjustment.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #103 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 21:02:14 »
I had the Tai-Hao plate made and found one issue: the stab cutouts on the right shift are just a bit too far apart. I ended up having to cut my own stab wire from a spare space bar wire.

any idea on how the design be corrected? i am currently asking asking to cut this same plate for me and i have no access nor experience with the applications used to make the necessary adjustment.

Install QCAD or LibreCAD, they are intuitive and don't require much time to learn.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #104 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 21:07:26 »
Install QCAD or LibreCAD, they are intuitive and don't require much time to learn.

thanks, hasu. i'll download either of the two and advise.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #105 on: Sun, 04 December 2016, 09:29:14 »
Love the work in this post! If I'm just looking for a plate for Alpine Winter with native Cherry Stabilizer support though... anyone try just Cherry style plate mount stabilizers with ALPS holes, for hasu's ALPS64 PCB?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #106 on: Sun, 04 December 2016, 11:26:47 »
Love the work in this post! If I'm just looking for a plate for Alpine Winter with native Cherry Stabilizer support though... anyone try just Cherry style plate mount stabilizers with ALPS holes, for hasu's ALPS64 PCB?

I believe you can generate your own plate using swills tool. Just make sure you select the appropriate stabiliser options
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 04 December 2016, 20:38:51 »
Love the work in this post! If I'm just looking for a plate for Alpine Winter with native Cherry Stabilizer support though... anyone try just Cherry style plate mount stabilizers with ALPS holes, for hasu's ALPS64 PCB?

Which layout are you planning to use? I could probably modify one of the dxf files for you, but it won't be tested.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #108 on: Mon, 05 December 2016, 15:08:37 »
I'm hoping the swill builder works for me, but it'll be a chance.


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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 15 December 2016, 21:13:53 »
Sorry everyone, I used to regularly be on DT and GH but I've been much busier these past few months and have only had time to be on the former. 

I set e-mail notifications for this topic but clearly that has not worked for at least a month.

Wow!!! This is so awesome!

A GB can finally be run for any Alps plate layout. Thank you emdude and everyone who contributed.

Question, I see different formatting in the description. I see

1. Alps Style, Costar Style stabilizers (untested)
2. Alps Style (untested)
    Costar Style (untested)


Does the first formatting mean that Alps Style is confirmed and the Costar is untested. Or does it mean both are untested?

Each bullet point is its own design, all plates use Alps-style stabilizers for the wide keys, except in the case of plates like item 1, which specify whether the space bar uses Costar stabilizer cutouts instead.

I had the Tai-Hao plate made and found one issue: the stab cutouts on the right shift are just a bit too far apart. I ended up having to cut my own stab wire from a spare space bar wire.

Sorry to hear you had issues.  Where did you source your stabilizer wires?  The measurements for the right shift stab cutouts should be the same across all plate files and I had no issues when I used my own Alps stabs (from vintage boards).

If you are using Matias stabs or something, please let me know what the dimensions are so I can update the files..

Love the work in this post! If I'm just looking for a plate for Alpine Winter with native Cherry Stabilizer support though... anyone try just Cherry style plate mount stabilizers with ALPS holes, for hasu's ALPS64 PCB?

As duynguyenle mentioned, Swill's plate builder should already have full Cherry stab support.  This thread is here mainly to offer support for those who want to use Alps stabilizers.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #110 on: Tue, 20 December 2016, 03:54:30 »
For the AT101 plate, the lower area for stabilizers are 0.1mm thin. Are you guys sure this is right? Because my local laser cutting shop says it will be broken.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #111 on: Tue, 20 December 2016, 04:09:57 »
For the AT101 plate, the lower area for stabilizers are 0.1mm thin. Are you guys sure this is right? Because my local laser cutting shop says it will be broken.

That is indeed very thin. I modified the file to move the stab hole upwards by about 0.5mm, which came out OK when laser cut by my local sheet metal fab
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #112 on: Tue, 20 December 2016, 06:16:30 »
For the AT101 plate, the lower area for stabilizers are 0.1mm thin. Are you guys sure this is right? Because my local laser cutting shop says it will be broken.

That is indeed very thin. I modified the file to move the stab hole upwards by about 0.5mm, which came out OK when laser cut by my local sheet metal fab
Thanks man, does the stabiliser works perfectly?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #113 on: Tue, 20 December 2016, 11:26:36 »
For the AT101 plate, the lower area for stabilizers are 0.1mm thin. Are you guys sure this is right? Because my local laser cutting shop says it will be broken.

It is correct.  I guess it depends on the tolerance of the laser cutter used.  Lasergist's laser cutter tolerance is 0.01mm; the plates I got from them worked without issue.

EDIT: Just to be clear though, the stab positions are based on those on the original plates.  You can move them as duynguyenle has, but at least for other plates I won't be able to say for certain that they will work.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #114 on: Sat, 14 January 2017, 06:43:14 »
Anyone has a plate layout for WANG 725-3370 ISO or ANSI ?

https://deskthority.net/wiki/Wang_725-3770

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #115 on: Sat, 14 January 2017, 07:11:44 »
Anyone has a plate layout for WANG 725-3370 ISO or ANSI ?

https://deskthority.net/wiki/Wang_725-3770

not sure with wang's spacebar size but why not go for the aek layout and block the win keys?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #116 on: Sat, 14 January 2017, 07:15:06 »
It's not about blocking, it's about stab position and size.

Also the ISO Wang has a bigger than usual ISO enter.


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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #117 on: Sat, 14 January 2017, 07:27:16 »
It's not about blocking, it's about stab position and size.

Also the ISO Wang has a bigger than usual ISO enter.

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i was thinking ANSI wang when i first read your post. anyways, aside from wang's ISO enter, i dont think there'll be a problem with stab position of modifiers if you choose any of those in OP.

are you planing to make your wang a donor? please dont....  :'(

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #118 on: Sat, 14 January 2017, 07:41:31 »
I know, I know. I can't decide what to do.

I got 2 alps64 pcbs and ISO / ANSI variants of AEK / SGI and WANGs.

I have a NIB AZERTY AEK2 that I kinda wanna use for switches and a NIB WANG ANSI that I'm thinking of using for caps. The others are in various states.

Really can't decide what to do.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #119 on: Sat, 14 January 2017, 08:22:20 »
I know, I know. I can't decide what to do.

I got 2 alps64 pcbs and ISO / ANSI variants of AEK / SGI and WANGs.

I have a NIB AZERTY AEK2 that I kinda wanna use for switches and a NIB WANG ANSI that I'm thinking of using for caps. The others are in various states.

Really can't decide what to do.
i would make the aek as donor if i where you. it's more comon compared to wangs... we dont have them here. aek will give you caps and switches

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #120 on: Sat, 14 January 2017, 18:21:02 »
 JDcarpe drew this up for me after I talked to him about starting the project. Its one of the GH60 layouts (the one I wanted) and still has the cherry-style stabholes. If you buy those particular keys (or all of them, whatever) from Signature Plastics, you're good; They have both alps & cherry stab-grabbers.

 When I was doing GBs for ss-ergodox cases, I had this cut in '6061' (I think he used 5052 but  :rolleyes: whatever.) and have partially assembled it (enabler-PCBs). To wit, it's populated with switches, and has been tested with keycaps to make sure it works out okay but I've never finished wiring it  :eek:  :-X

 It might not be what anyone here is looking for, but I was appreciative, and I think it's slightly different than other plates already in this thread.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #121 on: Sun, 15 January 2017, 18:57:49 »
JDcarpe drew this up for me after I talked to him about starting the project. Its one of the GH60 layouts (the one I wanted) and still has the cherry-style stabholes. If you buy those particular keys (or all of them, whatever) from Signature Plastics, you're good; They have both alps & cherry stab-grabbers.

 When I was doing GBs for ss-ergodox cases, I had this cut in '6061' (I think he used 5052 but  :rolleyes: whatever.) and have partially assembled it (enabler-PCBs). To wit, it's populated with switches, and has been tested with keycaps to make sure it works out okay but I've never finished wiring it  :eek:  :-X

 It might not be what anyone here is looking for, but I was appreciative, and I think it's slightly different than other plates already in this thread.

(Attachment Link)

Thanks for posting this, I've included an image of the plate so people can see what it looks like:



I believe Swill's plate builder can handle Alps plates with Cherry stabilizers as well.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #122 on: Fri, 20 January 2017, 17:56:36 »
@emdude: (or anyone who would like to respond!) I like the HHKB layout, but I am concerned about finding some of the keycaps, such as the 6.0u Spacebar and short Right Shift. For most of my Alps-switch keyboards, I use blank black modifiers and spacebars from Matias and vintage doubleshot or dye-sub PBT caps for the alphanumeric keys. AFAIK, Matias does not make short Right Shift caps or 6.0u Spacebars (they have 6.25u and 7.00u Spacebars).

Considering the Hasu Alps64 PCB and the various plates that can be made, I suppose one could make a hybrid layout, such as a split Backspace with everything else "standard". I've found that HHKB mapping works almost as well with a standard layout, using RCtrl as Fn. At least this way, I would have no problem finding keycaps.

Other ideas welcome!

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #123 on: Fri, 20 January 2017, 18:36:09 »
@emdude: (or anyone who would like to respond!) I like the HHKB layout, but I am concerned about finding some of the keycaps, such as the 6.0u Spacebar and short Right Shift. For most of my Alps-switch keyboards, I use blank black modifiers and spacebars from Matias and vintage doubleshot or dye-sub PBT caps for the alphanumeric keys. AFAIK, Matias does not make short Right Shift caps or 6.0u Spacebars (they have 6.25u and 7.00u Spacebars).

Considering the Hasu Alps64 PCB and the various plates that can be made, I suppose one could make a hybrid layout, such as a split Backspace with everything else "standard". I've found that HHKB mapping works almost as well with a standard layout, using RCtrl as Fn. At least this way, I would have no problem finding keycaps.

Other ideas welcome!

I am unaware of anyone who produces the keycaps you are looking for, besides SP; they offer a limited selection of Alps-mount caps in DSA and DCS profiles.  They do have a 6u space bar in DCS profile: http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-space-bar-pack-of-1/
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #124 on: Fri, 20 January 2017, 19:53:13 »
@emdude: (or anyone who would like to respond!) I like the HHKB layout, but I am concerned about finding some of the keycaps, such as the 6.0u Spacebar and short Right Shift. For most of my Alps-switch keyboards, I use blank black modifiers and spacebars from Matias and vintage doubleshot or dye-sub PBT caps for the alphanumeric keys. AFAIK, Matias does not make short Right Shift caps or 6.0u Spacebars (they have 6.25u and 7.00u Spacebars).

Considering the Hasu Alps64 PCB and the various plates that can be made, I suppose one could make a hybrid layout, such as a split Backspace with everything else "standard". I've found that HHKB mapping works almost as well with a standard layout, using RCtrl as Fn. At least this way, I would have no problem finding keycaps.

Other ideas welcome!

I have a Chicony 5981 I am trying to sell and today someone offered to buy the switches only. It has a 6.0u spacebar and uses MX stabilizer inserts. 
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #125 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 11:05:41 »
@emdude: (or anyone who would like to respond!) I like the HHKB layout, but I am concerned about finding some of the keycaps, such as the 6.0u Spacebar and short Right Shift. For most of my Alps-switch keyboards, I use blank black modifiers and spacebars from Matias and vintage doubleshot or dye-sub PBT caps for the alphanumeric keys. AFAIK, Matias does not make short Right Shift caps or 6.0u Spacebars (they have 6.25u and 7.00u Spacebars).

Considering the Hasu Alps64 PCB and the various plates that can be made, I suppose one could make a hybrid layout, such as a split Backspace with everything else "standard". I've found that HHKB mapping works almost as well with a standard layout, using RCtrl as Fn. At least this way, I would have no problem finding keycaps.

Other ideas welcome!

I am unaware of anyone who produces the keycaps you are looking for, besides SP; they offer a limited selection of Alps-mount caps in DSA and DCS profiles.  They do have a 6u space bar in DCS profile: http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-alps-mount-space-bar-pack-of-1/

<snip> ....
Other ideas welcome!

I have a Chicony 5981 I am trying to sell and today someone offered to buy the switches only. It has a 6.0u spacebar and uses MX stabilizer inserts.
Thanks for the link to the SP caps and thanks for the offer to buy the Chicony spacebar. I appreciate this, but I think I will go with as many standard and readily available keycaps as possible. With this in mind, which plate would enable having a split Backspace and split Right Shift with everything else standard (bottom row with either a 6.25u or 7.00u Spacebar and the other mods chosen the fill the row)? As long as the plate and PCB would accommodate this plan, the only challenge would be getting the short Right Shift -- I have some of these from vintage boards, and although the profile would not match, it would be possible to use a blank CapsLock from Matias.


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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #126 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:39:29 »
Thanks for the link to the SP caps and thanks for the offer to buy the Chicony spacebar. I appreciate this, but I think I will go with as many standard and readily available keycaps as possible. With this in mind, which plate would enable having a split Backspace and split Right Shift with everything else standard (bottom row with either a 6.25u or 7.00u Spacebar and the other mods chosen the fill the row)? As long as the plate and PCB would accommodate this plan, the only challenge would be getting the short Right Shift -- I have some of these from vintage boards, and although the profile would not match, it would be possible to use a blank CapsLock from Matias.

I don't believe there are any plates in the OP that fulfill your requirements.  I can make one though, please let me know whether you want one with a 7u or 6.25u spacebar.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #127 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 09:25:22 »
Thanks for the link to the SP caps and thanks for the offer to buy the Chicony spacebar. I appreciate this, but I think I will go with as many standard and readily available keycaps as possible. With this in mind, which plate would enable having a split Backspace and split Right Shift with everything else standard (bottom row with either a 6.25u or 7.00u Spacebar and the other mods chosen the fill the row)? As long as the plate and PCB would accommodate this plan, the only challenge would be getting the short Right Shift -- I have some of these from vintage boards, and although the profile would not match, it would be possible to use a blank CapsLock from Matias.

I don't believe there are any plates in the OP that fulfill your requirements.  I can make one though, please let me know whether you want one with a 7u or 6.25u spacebar.
Thanks for the offer! I might take you up on this. I will think about it and send you a PM.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 07 February 2017, 13:07:46 »
Hey does anybody know the measurements for this way of supporting both Alps and MX stabs on the same plate:
http://matias.ca/60/pc/viewer/?p=5

?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #129 on: Tue, 07 February 2017, 21:56:49 »
Hey does anybody know the measurements for this way of supporting both Alps and MX stabs on the same plate:
http://matias.ca/60/pc/viewer/?p=5

?

Here is what I got from Swill's case building tool. Just round to the nearest tenth of a millimeter.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #130 on: Wed, 08 February 2017, 01:20:48 »
Thanks Mandrew, but I actually meant the stab mount holes. I'm guessing the guesstimate provided by Swill in his thread would be close enough, since there's a bit of slop in the keycap-mount connection to the stab wires. But it'd be good to know the exact measurements to use just for the sake of being more confident about it.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #131 on: Mon, 27 March 2017, 23:44:49 »
Hey guys,
I am having trouble trying to create a plate with swill's program. My criteria for the plate is split backspace, split shift, and a bottom row of 1.5, 1.25, 6.5, 1.5, 1.25, 1.5, or the aek bottom row. Alps stabilzers because I am using the aek keycaps. I also don't need stabs on the caps lock. So if anyone is willing to help me make this plate I will be very grateful.

Here is the Raw data of the layout:
["Esc","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9",")\n0","_\n-","+\n=","|\n\\","~\n`"],
[{w:1.5},"Tab","Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{w:1.5},"Backspace"],
[{w:1.75},"Caps Lock","A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{w:2.25},"Enter"],
[{w:2.25},"Shift","Z","X","C","V","B","N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{w:1.75},"Shift","Fn"],
[{w:1.5},"Ctrl",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.5},"Alt",{a:7,w:6.5},"",{a:4,w:1.5},"Alt",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.5},"Ctrl"]


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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #132 on: Tue, 28 March 2017, 00:04:19 »
Hey guys,
I am having trouble trying to create a plate with swill's program. My criteria for the plate is split backspace, split shift, and a bottom row of 1.5, 1.25, 6.5, 1.5, 1.25, 1.5, or the aek bottom row. Alps stabilzers because I am using the aek keycaps. I also don't need stabs on the caps lock. So if anyone is willing to help me make this plate I will be very grateful.

Here is the Raw data of the layout:
["Esc","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9",")\n0","_\n-","+\n=","|\n\\","~\n`"],
[{w:1.5},"Tab","Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{w:1.5},"Backspace"],
[{w:1.75},"Caps Lock","A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{w:2.25},"Enter"],
[{w:2.25},"Shift","Z","X","C","V","B","N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{w:1.75},"Shift","Fn"],
[{w:1.5},"Ctrl",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.5},"Alt",{a:7,w:6.5},"",{a:4,w:1.5},"Alt",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.5},"Ctrl"]

I recently completed a plate for another member that should meet your criteria.  Will send a PM your way.

EDIT: Just realized you cannot attach files to PMs, almost as bad as DT's PM system!  I should add it to the Github repo anyway so I shall do that shortly.

EDIT 2: And done!  The link is here.  It's a direct link, so just save as a .dxf like the other files!  Let me know if there's anything else you need.
« Last Edit: Tue, 28 March 2017, 01:19:26 by emdude »
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #133 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 00:31:28 »
Hey does anybody know the measurements for this way of supporting both Alps and MX stabs on the same plate:
http://matias.ca/60/pc/viewer/?p=5

?

Hey, just stumbled upon this from a while back!
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #134 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 15:39:55 »
Hey does anybody know the measurements for this way of supporting both Alps and MX stabs on the same plate:
http://matias.ca/60/pc/viewer/?p=5

?

Hey, just stumbled upon this from a while back!

Thanks for this MandrewDavis, you're a life saver! Sorry for not thanking you earlier.
Please see my plate design based on this over at DT
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It's not exactly 60% but I'm happy to have it included in this resource if people like it (and assuming it actually works!)

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #135 on: Tue, 06 February 2018, 12:19:45 »
Hey guys, I have a little problem and it would be grat if you could help me out with it. So I kind of impulsively bought a set of dcs alpine winter and matias switches before putting my research in a plate and stabilizers. My question would now be if somebody knows how to make a ISO plate, that also has a HHKB layout and if there is such a thing(because I didn't find it anywhere) which stabilzers do I have to use with it? The alpine winter set is kind of strange because it has mx mounts for the stabilizers, could I just use Matias stabilizers and put mx inserts in it?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #136 on: Tue, 06 February 2018, 13:41:14 »
Hey guys, I have a little problem and it would be grat if you could help me out with it. So I kind of impulsively bought a set of dcs alpine winter and matias switches before putting my research in a plate and stabilizers. My question would now be if somebody knows how to make a ISO plate, that also has a HHKB layout and if there is such a thing(because I didn't find it anywhere) which stabilzers do I have to use with it? The alpine winter set is kind of strange because it has mx mounts for the stabilizers, could I just use Matias stabilizers and put mx inserts in it?

I don't think anyone has made an ISO plate for the Alps64 yet, so I don't know which stabilizers you would use. I guess we just need an ISO AEKII or AT102 plate to look at.

And yes, you can use Matias stabilizers with the MX inserts for Alpine Winter.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #137 on: Tue, 06 February 2018, 14:18:56 »
Hi, I found this( https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7udfl1/its_wednesday_my_dudes/ ) some days ago when it was posted and thought it has to be possible then. Sadly the poster did not respond to my message about the plate, maybe I'll have to pm him.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #138 on: Tue, 06 February 2018, 14:42:06 »
Hi, I found this( https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7udfl1/its_wednesday_my_dudes/ ) some days ago when it was posted and thought it has to be possible then. Sadly the poster did not respond to my message about the plate, maybe I'll have to pm him.

Did you want the ISO left shift also?
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #139 on: Tue, 06 February 2018, 16:54:47 »
Hey guys, I have a little problem and it would be grat if you could help me out with it. So I kind of impulsively bought a set of dcs alpine winter and matias switches before putting my research in a plate and stabilizers. My question would now be if somebody knows how to make a ISO plate, that also has a HHKB layout and if there is such a thing(because I didn't find it anywhere) which stabilzers do I have to use with it? The alpine winter set is kind of strange because it has mx mounts for the stabilizers, could I just use Matias stabilizers and put mx inserts in it?

I don't think anyone has made an ISO plate for the Alps64 yet, so I don't know which stabilizers you would use. I guess we just need an ISO AEKII or AT102 plate to look at.

And yes, you can use Matias stabilizers with the MX inserts for Alpine Winter.

I did. For use with AT102W caps. Due to a variety of reasons I have not managed to complete the build, but tested the plate with switches and caps and they work fine. Swills tool will not generate correctly spaced holes for the ISO enter switch position, possibly due to non-standard stem spacing on the cap itself, so I modified the plate manually with the help of some calipers and access to the original AT102W plate for measurement.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #140 on: Tue, 06 February 2018, 17:52:41 »
Hey guys, I have a little problem and it would be grat if you could help me out with it. So I kind of impulsively bought a set of dcs alpine winter and matias switches before putting my research in a plate and stabilizers. My question would now be if somebody knows how to make a ISO plate, that also has a HHKB layout and if there is such a thing(because I didn't find it anywhere) which stabilzers do I have to use with it? The alpine winter set is kind of strange because it has mx mounts for the stabilizers, could I just use Matias stabilizers and put mx inserts in it?

I don't think anyone has made an ISO plate for the Alps64 yet, so I don't know which stabilizers you would use. I guess we just need an ISO AEKII or AT102 plate to look at.

And yes, you can use Matias stabilizers with the MX inserts for Alpine Winter.

I did. For use with AT102W caps. Due to a variety of reasons I have not managed to complete the build, but tested the plate with switches and caps and they work fine. Swills tool will not generate correctly spaced holes for the ISO enter switch position, possibly due to non-standard stem spacing on the cap itself, so I modified the plate manually with the help of some calipers and access to the original AT102W plate for measurement.

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If you don’t mind sharing those measurements, I can modify the AT101W plate and make a pull request to emdude’s Github to add it to the collection.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #141 on: Wed, 07 February 2018, 00:39:27 »
Hey guys, I have a little problem and it would be grat if you could help me out with it. So I kind of impulsively bought a set of dcs alpine winter and matias switches before putting my research in a plate and stabilizers. My question would now be if somebody knows how to make a ISO plate, that also has a HHKB layout and if there is such a thing(because I didn't find it anywhere) which stabilzers do I have to use with it? The alpine winter set is kind of strange because it has mx mounts for the stabilizers, could I just use Matias stabilizers and put mx inserts in it?

I don't think anyone has made an ISO plate for the Alps64 yet, so I don't know which stabilizers you would use. I guess we just need an ISO AEKII or AT102 plate to look at.

And yes, you can use Matias stabilizers with the MX inserts for Alpine Winter.

I did. For use with AT102W caps. Due to a variety of reasons I have not managed to complete the build, but tested the plate with switches and caps and they work fine. Swills tool will not generate correctly spaced holes for the ISO enter switch position, possibly due to non-standard stem spacing on the cap itself, so I modified the plate manually with the help of some calipers and access to the original AT102W plate for measurement.

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Yes that would be great, because I would like to use the neo layout which uses the key next to left shift as a modifier

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 07 February 2018, 22:05:44 »
Hey guys, I have a little problem and it would be grat if you could help me out with it. So I kind of impulsively bought a set of dcs alpine winter and matias switches before putting my research in a plate and stabilizers. My question would now be if somebody knows how to make a ISO plate, that also has a HHKB layout and if there is such a thing(because I didn't find it anywhere) which stabilzers do I have to use with it? The alpine winter set is kind of strange because it has mx mounts for the stabilizers, could I just use Matias stabilizers and put mx inserts in it?

I don't think anyone has made an ISO plate for the Alps64 yet, so I don't know which stabilizers you would use. I guess we just need an ISO AEKII or AT102 plate to look at.

And yes, you can use Matias stabilizers with the MX inserts for Alpine Winter.

I did. For use with AT102W caps. Due to a variety of reasons I have not managed to complete the build, but tested the plate with switches and caps and they work fine. Swills tool will not generate correctly spaced holes for the ISO enter switch position, possibly due to non-standard stem spacing on the cap itself, so I modified the plate manually with the help of some calipers and access to the original AT102W plate for measurement.

Show Image


If you don’t mind sharing those measurements, I can modify the AT101W plate and make a pull request to emdude’s Github to add it to the collection.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #143 on: Wed, 07 February 2018, 22:13:53 »
Hey guys, I have a little problem and it would be grat if you could help me out with it. So I kind of impulsively bought a set of dcs alpine winter and matias switches before putting my research in a plate and stabilizers. My question would now be if somebody knows how to make a ISO plate, that also has a HHKB layout and if there is such a thing(because I didn't find it anywhere) which stabilzers do I have to use with it? The alpine winter set is kind of strange because it has mx mounts for the stabilizers, could I just use Matias stabilizers and put mx inserts in it?

I don't think anyone has made an ISO plate for the Alps64 yet, so I don't know which stabilizers you would use. I guess we just need an ISO AEKII or AT102 plate to look at.

And yes, you can use Matias stabilizers with the MX inserts for Alpine Winter.

I did. For use with AT102W caps. Due to a variety of reasons I have not managed to complete the build, but tested the plate with switches and caps and they work fine. Swills tool will not generate correctly spaced holes for the ISO enter switch position, possibly due to non-standard stem spacing on the cap itself, so I modified the plate manually with the help of some calipers and access to the original AT102W plate for measurement.

Show Image


If you don’t mind sharing those measurements, I can modify the AT101W plate and make a pull request to emdude’s Github to add it to the collection.

Sorry I'm away on vacation until after CNY holidays, will put a reminder in for when I come back

That would be great, thank you.
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #144 on: Wed, 21 February 2018, 18:25:47 »
Hey guys, I have a little problem and it would be grat if you could help me out with it. So I kind of impulsively bought a set of dcs alpine winter and matias switches before putting my research in a plate and stabilizers. My question would now be if somebody knows how to make a ISO plate, that also has a HHKB layout and if there is such a thing(because I didn't find it anywhere) which stabilzers do I have to use with it? The alpine winter set is kind of strange because it has mx mounts for the stabilizers, could I just use Matias stabilizers and put mx inserts in it?

I don't think anyone has made an ISO plate for the Alps64 yet, so I don't know which stabilizers you would use. I guess we just need an ISO AEKII or AT102 plate to look at.

And yes, you can use Matias stabilizers with the MX inserts for Alpine Winter.

I did. For use with AT102W caps. Due to a variety of reasons I have not managed to complete the build, but tested the plate with switches and caps and they work fine. Swills tool will not generate correctly spaced holes for the ISO enter switch position, possibly due to non-standard stem spacing on the cap itself, so I modified the plate manually with the help of some calipers and access to the original AT102W plate for measurement.

Show Image


If you don’t mind sharing those measurements, I can modify the AT101W plate and make a pull request to emdude’s Github to add it to the collection.

Sorry I'm away on vacation until after CNY holidays, will put a reminder in for when I come back

That would be great, thank you.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #145 on: Sun, 24 June 2018, 14:09:27 »
I'm going to be making a custom plate soon and am wondering if it's possible to create compatibility for both the AEK keycaps as well as DSA Granite from PMK (assuming switch cutouts on the bottom row can support both). The former would obviously need Alps stabs and the latter can use costar. Has anyone done it?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #146 on: Fri, 29 June 2018, 21:25:50 »
possible to get a plate for alps TKL ? (with alps stabs support)

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #147 on: Tue, 10 July 2018, 09:18:11 »
[Update]AEK layout plate

New AEK(Apple Extended Keyboard) layout plate desgin files are available, which supports "flipped space bar" and Dutch AEK space bar, see this post for detail. The new plate is identical to old one except for those spacebar supports.

https://github.com/tmk/alps64_plate/tree/plate_aek_flip_spacebar

You can use 'alps64_plate_aek_flip_spacebar.dxf' file here to order a plate from laser cut service shop.




emdude,
Could you add this design in the first post if you have time?

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 12 July 2018, 17:27:37 »
I had the Tai-Hao plate made and found one issue: the stab cutouts on the right shift are just a bit too far apart. I ended up having to cut my own stab wire from a spare space bar wire.

can confirm that the right shift left stab insert is too far away. wasted $40+ on the plate due to this. can someone fix this? unfortunately i currently do not know how to fix the layout.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #149 on: Thu, 12 July 2018, 17:52:06 »
I had the Tai-Hao plate made and found one issue: the stab cutouts on the right shift are just a bit too far apart. I ended up having to cut my own stab wire from a spare space bar wire.

can confirm that the right shift left stab insert is too far away. wasted $40+ on the plate due to this. can someone fix this? unfortunately i currently do not know how to fix the layout.
Where did you source the stabs from?
If you can post pics and dimensions it would be helpful for future users or desingners.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #150 on: Fri, 20 July 2018, 21:21:04 »
I had the Tai-Hao plate made and found one issue: the stab cutouts on the right shift are just a bit too far apart. I ended up having to cut my own stab wire from a spare space bar wire.

had same issue as well. in the meantime for those that want to use the tai hao design plate, don't. the right stab cutouts are too wide part from each other. i suppose the only way to fix this is to make your own stab wire which seems difficult to do.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #151 on: Tue, 14 August 2018, 14:14:30 »
Anyone worked on plate for Acer stabs before ?






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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 05 September 2018, 00:45:23 »
Anyone wanna make a layout for the Focus FK-5001? I'd just need a user with the board to measure out the dimensions for the BAE key, and someone to help me with custom geometry for the stabs. Let's get some more layouts on the sticky since alps are becoming more popular!

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #153 on: Mon, 24 September 2018, 09:37:33 »
Is the Tai-Hao plate compatible with the Alps64 PCB? I'd very much like to get into the 60% Alps business.

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #154 on: Mon, 24 September 2018, 18:23:35 »
Is the Tai-Hao plate compatible with the Alps64 PCB? I'd very much like to get into the 60% Alps business.

The pcb supports the layout, but note that some of people reported issue on right shift. They didn't give precise description enough to identify the issue so far unfortunately.
It seems to work with standard Alps stabs got from such AEK or DELL while I guess they used ones come form somehwere else.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.msg2641207#msg2641207
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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #155 on: Sat, 20 October 2018, 01:11:36 »
Does the Dell AT101 plate also support SGI granite caps? Thanks!

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #156 on: Mon, 05 November 2018, 05:02:46 »
HELLO dear FRIENDS,

I will build a 60% ALP board after summer and I am collecting part atm... so far I got

ALP YELLOW
PCB 60% https://imgur.com/a/uKABxgf
Keycaps I found is for ALPS but space key got cherry stab hole with ALP switch hole in the middle, see pic... https://imgur.com/a/tCodu7R

The problem I am having is I want a CAD file to plate that will support normal ANSI layout of alp style.
The space key seems like to be 6.25u and it is only the spacekey who got the mx stab style while the rest got alp style of stabs.

I am really bad witch coding and 3d modeling anyone who can help me? :)

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Re: Open Source 60% Alps Plates
« Reply #157 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 22:10:38 »
I had the Tai-Hao plate made and found one issue: the stab cutouts on the right shift are just a bit too far apart. I ended up having to cut my own stab wire from a spare space bar wire.

had same issue as well. in the meantime for those that want to use the tai hao design plate, don't. the right stab cutouts are too wide part from each other. i suppose the only way to fix this is to make your own stab wire which seems difficult to do.

Can someone help edit the Tai Hao plate
i think just shorten the distance of the right shift stab by 3mm, then all the problem should be solved.