[IC] GMK Solarized (Penumbra?!)

[dgneo]

Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior, Monokai?

[xondat]

I want to make a set

I'm already making that set

well **** you im making this set

gl with that

ALL HAIL DIP****

[dgneo]

Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior, Monokai?

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[Nickjames]

The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.

I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.

Past could be forgotten, but  GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.

Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.

The thing is as with lots of groupbuys people say they will buy then drop out so I wouldn't count on all those actually commiting to pay if the bunnys set do show up, also that being said there were not 500 people saying yes in the Reddit thread.

The Reddit IC is barely scratching the surface. Between Reddit, Geekhack, China, Vietnam and all the other communities, it'll be a mad dash for whoever wants this set.

This, I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.

Because unlike every other massdrop led gmk buy a vendor and or Ctrl alt have ponied up the money upfront without taking a penny off anyone it's still a risk for them to invest so much into keycap a even if you no doubt will say something along the lines they will all sell out.

And I highly doubt they want the set to be rare so stop making accusations without having proof as that's slander.

They'll sell out like the damn grab bags at 500 sets.

Also, slander? I almost spit out my drink. He's hypothesizing, and with good reason. No slander there.

Slander would be just making a assumption and damaging someone's reputation without any due evidence so exactly what he did? Not sure if your trolling at this point

Also again as for them selling out that's all well and good but what if they wanted to sell 500 then use that money to make more to cover demand it's stupid to even speculate as that's all this entire thread is let's keep our speculation down and just calmly wait till something happens.

 Why do you feel it is damaging? You guys honestly take things way too seriously for a forum about selling keycaps. Haven't the sales from CtrlAltIo been group buys? My only guess as to why he's selling them in batches is to be a profit making move. He can continue to keep stock and just sell the keycaps as a first come first serve basis rather than wait on a large bulk of buyers to be accumulated before ordering. I am fine with this if that's the case as long as stock will be done regularly and not a limited once a year(s) type deal as the competition will be fierce with people using bots to place orders immediately or buying multiple sets for resell. This entire move has both good and bad connotations.

[BunnyLake]

You guys are getting comical at this point

Let's clear some things up

Ctrl alt aren't selling these

Another vendor is

They will be sold when on hand

Despite what people think they won't sell out instantly, about a month is a better estimate

This is a keyset, made in huge numbers, nobody will need bots

All this speculation and lies just makes people look stupid

Why speculate and make assumptions without enough info to do it, people are giving an opinion they are making based on scenarios they are making up

None of this matters

For all the people taking the time to read and support.... Thank you

For all the people making **** up and throwing shade, sit tight, let's see what happens


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[Nickjames]

We're on a forum, it's what we do.

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We're on a forum, it's what we do.

[HoffmanMyster]

I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.

Let's take a step back and think about logistics for a second.  We, as a forum, have a lot of historical data of group buys that bit off far more than they could handle - orders increased to an uncontrollable amount, purchase options became more and more complex with various options, etc.  Myself and many others have stepped in to clean up the mess caused by a lot of these group buys, so I can tell you first hand how much of a ****show it can turn into.

This is relevant because limiting the set to 500 units is actually very smart.  It strikes a reasonable balance between satisfying customers (it is a vendor operation after all, so in theory they can handle a bit more than your average user-run group buy) while still not putting too much capital at risk by increasing order quantity.  If we want the comfort and reassurance of a vendor-run buy, we need to understand that they only have so many funds that they're willing to tie up in the efforts.  The other option, a user-run buy with "unlimited" orders, has other downsides, like increased risk.  It's unfair to ask a vendor to give us the best of both worlds, as it's simply not in their best interest as a business.

[Niomosy]

To add to what Hoff's already said, it's also not like this is the only run.  The 500 might sell quickly.  If so, there's always the option of another round.

Plus, let's look at this long-term.  We have a problem in MassDrop being the primary vendor - Originative is getting some more business these days with Skeletor just having finished and Keyboard & Co coming soon.  Another vendor that can become a large player is always a good thing, particularly since the lead times for a buy on MD have increased given the number of buys trying to get in.  I certainly wouldn't mind another vendor getting to the point of being able to provide a similar price on SP sets to what MD is able to provide.

[Gajible]

If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.

[JaccoW]

You know what I would be interested in? What GMK is thinking the last few years.
Do they enjoy us crazy enthusiasts coming up with new colorways a couple of times a year?
Do they have a wall with a sample of all the sets they ever produced?

[Nickjames]

I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.

Let's take a step back and think about logistics for a second.  We, as a forum, have a lot of historical data of group buys that bit off far more than they could handle - orders increased to an uncontrollable amount, purchase options became more and more complex with various options, etc.  Myself and many others have stepped in to clean up the mess caused by a lot of these group buys, so I can tell you first hand how much of a ****show it can turn into.

This is relevant because limiting the set to 500 units is actually very smart.  It strikes a reasonable balance between satisfying customers (it is a vendor operation after all, so in theory they can handle a bit more than your average user-run group buy) while still not putting too much capital at risk by increasing order quantity.  If we want the comfort and reassurance of a vendor-run buy, we need to understand that they only have so many funds that they're willing to tie up in the efforts.  The other option, a user-run buy with "unlimited" orders, has other downsides, like increased risk.  It's unfair to ask a vendor to give us the best of both worlds, as it's simply not in their best interest as a business.

I was not aware this was a vendor run buy, I was under the assumption he was handling the orders himself out of pocket to sell through his site. I followed up on that with my next post but in any case if this is how it's done I am ok with it as I would rather have fast shipment and orders from a reliable vendor. Trust me, I have seen plenty of GB horror stories here.

[Shikarikato]

If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.

you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so

let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead

[Gajible]

If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.

you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so

let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead

I'm not convinced I know what makes Carbon more "special" than Penumbra. Custom colours were used for Carbom, not sure if needed with Penumbra, and Carbon had some cool novelties. Aside from that, they were both popular sets when they ran in SA. If Penumbra is ran on Massdrop like Carbon was, I'd be willing to venture that it'd attract the very same buyers.

You're really missing the bigger picture here though. The strawpoll was on Reddit, and Reddit alone. It doesn't take into account the potentially huge amount of buyers coming: Geekhack, China, Vietnam, Korea, as well as the buyers from outside of the community, should Massdrop run it.

[ntw]

Nuff said, whoever started the groupbuy first will get our money.

With bunny already done all the ground work I strongly believe it will be him and the mysterious vendor winning the race.

[KyleZhuang]

If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.

you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so

let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead

Nothing personal, maybe you do not know today's market and demand for this keyset in China. I believe the number of 500 can't even cover the demand in China and Vietnam.
Anyway, I respect what has been done so far.

[ntw]

[/size]I would fart rainbow if this happens

[Nickjames]

If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.

you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so

let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead

Nothing personal, maybe you do not know today's market and demand for this keyset in China. I believe the number of 500 can't even cover the demand in China and Vietnam.
Anyway, I respect what has been done so far.

I agree, once the word spreads I give it 24-48 hours to sellout @ 500 units, that's being generous.

[jorgenslee]

If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.

you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so

let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead

Nothing personal, maybe you do not know today's market and demand for this keyset in China. I believe the number of 500 can't even cover the demand in China and Vietnam.
Anyway, I respect what has been done so far.

I agree, once the word spreads I give it 24-48 hours to sellout @ 500 units, that's being generous.

It depends on the price though. Let's hope it's not more than 160usd range.

[Gengarfan]

If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.

you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so

let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead

Nothing personal, maybe you do not know today's market and demand for this keyset in China. I believe the number of 500 can't even cover the demand in China and Vietnam.
Anyway, I respect what has been done so far.

I agree, once the word spreads I give it 24-48 hours to sellout @ 500 units, that's being generous.

It depends on the price though. Let's hope it's not more than 160usd range.

Yes lets hope not 

Nothing against Bunny but if both his  business and the vendor are getting a cut then there is bound to be a bigger markup than what the OP of this thread would have. Between that and the fact that the OP of this thread is also working on some child kits I think it might be worth it to wait to see what comes to fruition from this IC.

[Niomosy]

Why such a panic on quantity?  If 500 goes fast, it would be rather encouraging for another round.  I'm sure GMK won't mind people sending them more money for their goods nor would it be likely that a vendor with capacity to handle such would balk at doing another run of Penumbra.

Honestly, it seems much ado about nothing.

[Capmerica]

In my opinion, since Bunny is producing at the limited number of 500 sets. Why not let the IC owner to do his own and give more opportunities for customers out there.


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[tofgerl]

I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?

[xondat]

I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?

True. At this point I want OP to try his almighty best and run the set. Only because I know he won't succeed. But I'd love to see him think any further than posting this. He's talking big on reddit, but no reply here because this is where the truth is.

[tofgerl]

I don't particularily want him to fail, but mostly because I don't really care about this unholy mess. I REALLY want a Penumbra kit, though. GMK, SA, DSA... Hell, at this point I'll take it in G20!

[xondat]

I don't particularily want him to fail, but mostly because I don't really care about this unholy mess. I REALLY want a Penumbra kit, though. GMK, SA, DSA... Hell, at this point I'll take it in G20!

Well you'll get that soon thanks to the work of Bunnylake, Ctrl Alt and the vendor. As for OP, there is no way he'll ever get to the group buy stage. But I'd love to see him try.

[ntw]

Pretty sure GMK will not take orders from different parties on the same colorway too

[bloorocket]

Wait wait, but the IC at MD states that it will be produced by SP with SA profile?
Or this is coincidence?
GMK Cherry Profile would be wonderful 

[mobbo]

People please stop making assumptions or accusations if you are not familiar with the process. There is no point in focusing on the front end of the process (IC, number of sets, etc.) when it is already beyond that point (the colors are already being matched, discussions have already occurred with the vendor, the set is coming and at a very reasonable number). 

500 initially

I will gladly back down if you can prove anything is happening on your end.

If sufficient evidence has been provided to you by the mods, and you can confirm, can we please close this thread?

I don't think anything productive will come out of continuing this discussion, and it certainly isn't serving it's purpose as an IC.

[sncbraxsc2]

Wait wait, but the IC at MD states that it will be produced by SP with SA profile?
Or this is coincidence?
GMK Cherry Profile would be wonderful 

Both are happening

 

[canigetanipa]

Where can we expect to get some kind of notification prior towhen it's actually expected to go live? If this thread is going down and there is no choice but to search GH for 'Penumbra' each day since this is going to be an F5 war it sounds like with 500 sets and given the demand many might buy multiples to flip them

[Fire Brand]

Where can we expect to get some kind of notification prior towhen it's actually expected to go live? If this thread is going down and there is no choice but to search GH for 'Penumbra' each day since this is going to be an F5 war it sounds like with 500 sets and given the demand many might buy multiples to flip them

Subscribe to the Ctrl alt sub forum? And there's usually a limit placed on how many a single person can order as far as i remember.

[canigetanipa]

Subscribe to the Ctrl alt sub forum? And there's usually a limit placed on how many a single person can order as far as i remember.

You guys are getting comical at this point

Let's clear some things up

Ctrl alt aren't selling these

Another vendor is

[xondat]

Where can we expect to get some kind of notification prior towhen it's actually expected to go live?

No.

[Gengarfan]

I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?

True. At this point I want OP to try his almighty best and run the set. Only because I know he won't succeed. But I'd love to see him think any further than posting this. He's talking big on reddit, but no reply here because this is where the truth is.

Why do you want OP not to succeed? Why would anyone not want him to succeed? If there happens to be a lot more than 500 people that want the set which it sounds like there is, why not try and help OP and get the set to even more people? Everyone made their points by this point so lets just move on and make this an actual interest check.

[xondat]

I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?

True. At this point I want OP to try his almighty best and run the set. Only because I know he won't succeed. But I'd love to see him think any further than posting this. He's talking big on reddit, but no reply here because this is where the truth is.

Why do you want OP not to succeed? Why would anyone not want him to succeed? If there happens to be a lot more than 500 people that want the set which it sounds like there is, why not try and help OP and get the set to even more people? Everyone made their points by this point so lets just move on and make this an actual interest check.

I said I know he won't succeed, not he won't succeed.

There is clearly lots of interest, so lets lock this thread eh?

[Photekq]

This is a nice thread.

[Gajible]

I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?

True. At this point I want OP to try his almighty best and run the set. Only because I know he won't succeed. But I'd love to see him think any further than posting this. He's talking big on reddit, but no reply here because this is where the truth is.

Why do you want OP not to succeed? Why would anyone not want him to succeed? If there happens to be a lot more than 500 people that want the set which it sounds like there is, why not try and help OP and get the set to even more people? Everyone made their points by this point so lets just move on and make this an actual interest check.

I said I know he won't succeed, not he won't succeed.

There is clearly lots of interest, so lets lock this thread eh?

From the IC thread rules:

"Once you started a group buy, please remember to close/lock the IC thread and put a re-direct link on the last page of that thread (so that way, members can just follow it to place their orders)"


Seems the group buy hasn't started, not sure why you'd want the threat thread closed.

[Niomosy]

Pretty sure GMK will not take orders from different parties on the same colorway too

Not sure that they would care.  They're a production company.  If they receive an order and receive the funds for that order, they'll do the production run.  It would also put them at a disadvantage to SP and other cap producing companies if they were to care.

[Willyc277]

From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?

Because he ate part of his sock ) Should probably be able to handle the responsibility of a GB.

He's also a well respected community member in other areas of the community, but you're right, post count = trustworthyness. /s

****-posting on Reddit doesn't make you a well-respected member of the community.

[Gajible]

From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?

Because he ate part of his sock ) Should probably be able to handle the responsibility of a GB.

He's also a well respected community member in other areas of the community, but you're right, post count = trustworthyness. /s

****-posting on Reddit doesn't make you a well-respected member of the community.

Who died and made you judge?

[nubbinator]

Every single time I open this thread after someone comments:




I guess that's on me for expecting a rational dialogue though.

[Gajible]

Every single time I open this thread after someone comments:

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I guess that's on me for expecting a rational dialogue though.

So, a literal ****-post complaining about "****-posts"?


I'd say there's a good discussion going, with pros and cons for both sides being brought up.
Funny how anything that isn't in line with the old boys agenda is considered ****posting now days...

[baldgye]

Every single time I open this thread after someone comments:

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I guess that's on me for expecting a rational dialogue though.

So, a literal ****-post complaining about "****-posts"?


I'd say there's a good discussion going, with pros and cons for both sides being brought up.
Funny how anything that isn't in line with the old boys agenda is considered ****posting now days...

[cmd]

I'd say there's a good discussion going, with pros and cons for both sides being brought up.

[Gajible]

Every single time I open this thread after someone comments:

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I guess that's on me for expecting a rational dialogue though.

So, a literal ****-post complaining about "****-posts"?


I'd say there's a good discussion going, with pros and cons for both sides being brought up.
Funny how anything that isn't in line with the old boys agenda is considered ****posting now days...

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[Aricil]

All I have to say is Solarize me! Actually really psyched about how nice the GMK profile will look.

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What kind of board is that?

[Capmerica]

All I have to say is Solarize me! Actually really psyched about how nice the GMK profile will look.

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What kind of board is that?

Look like a leopold fc660c to me.


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[JaccoW]

All I have to say is Solarize me! Actually really psyched about how nice the GMK profile will look.

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What kind of board is that?

Look like a leopold fc660c to me.


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Perhaps. Though a Leopold FC660M would be easier. :P

[MkLovin]

Here is my final update for this thread!

I ran this interest check because I wanted to make this set happen.  I had no idea Bunny was even attempting to make this set a reality.  After he claimed that he was working on the set, I asked for proof with nothing but a "can confirm" from a mod as proof.  For obvious reasons, I didn't accept that as a proof.  It would be easy to fake.  I understand that it is private, and I was very open saying PM me with the information and you can redact the vendors name if you are worried about it.   He never PM'd me.  I took it into my own hands to contact GMK myself and ask if anyone was making the set already.  Today, I heard back from GMK who stated (without mentioning the vendor) that another party was working on the set already. 

I made it very clear at the beginning of this thread that I would step down if there was any legitimate proof that Bunny has things underway.  Today I received said proof and as promised, I will be stepping down and letting Bunny run the group buy.  Best of luck to him with running the group buy.  I am happy that this set is coming to life regardless of who is making the set.  All I wanted to see was a revitalization of Penumbra in one form or another.  Today I confirmed that Penumbra will be making a comeback and I am happy to hear it.  I will be abandoning this project completely.  Best of luck to Bunny and his crew.