Author Topic: [Group buy] Ergonomics : LZ ErGO TKL Full Alu (COMPLETED) (Read 71841 times)

LifeZ · « **on:** Tue, 09 August 2016, 23:33:33 »

Hello! Geekhacker

This project is Ergonomics kbd

Group buy is for a LZ ErGO

Limited Edition no.49

with the limited closed

Order Here
http://goo.gl/PY9m7v

Order deadline 2016-8/11 ~ 8/20

Payment deadline 2016-08-25

~~Delivery date 2016-10-30~~

Specifications:
Aluminum case
9.5 angled
Plate material: aluminum n Stainless steel
Support ISO + ANSI layout
L3 Ergo TKL PCB
Fully Programmable
Full LED backlighting

PCB : Full SMT(pre-soldered Device, Diodes, Resistors, RGB Leds)
The PCB is Designed/Developed by Leeku
The PCB is Programmed with JigOn firmware : http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?

mid=board_sw&document_srl=2702787

Pricing : (excluding paypal fees and shipping)
Base set : $440 (Case, Plate, PCB)

Extra Plate : $45
Extra PCB : $65

Shipping:
1 set of weights : about 5.0kg
EMS shipping Price (1set) with Tracking no.
Asia : $53
EU, Canada : $72
Usa : $84

Case Colors:
Black
SILVER
GRAY

Plate Colors:
Alu - Silver
Stainless Steel

ic thread
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83313.0

preview
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3831273&mid=board_Lsno50

Order Here
http://goo.gl/PY9m7v

nguyenkimtam · « **Reply #1 on:** Wed, 10 August 2016, 12:47:41 »

ordered through skype

redbanshee · « **Reply #2 on:** Wed, 10 August 2016, 12:52:31 »

Quote from: LifeZ on Tue, 09 August 2016, 23:33:33

Order Here
http://goo.gl/PY9m7v

Having problems with this link, doesnt seem to lead to the form?

EDIT: NM i guess it opens tomorrow?

DALExSNAIL · « **Reply #3 on:** Wed, 10 August 2016, 13:20:28 »

These always come at the worst time for me =(

swimmingbird · « **Reply #4 on:** Wed, 10 August 2016, 18:07:33 »

I just wish that the 6^ key was on the right side

jal · « **Reply #5 on:** Wed, 10 August 2016, 20:14:07 »

Any pics of the plate?

jerue · « **Reply #6 on:** Wed, 10 August 2016, 23:52:04 »

LZ, any chance for a wrist rest to be added to the order/form, like the one in your preview thread?

nguyenkimtam · « **Reply #7 on:** Thu, 11 August 2016, 01:06:11 »

Quote from: jerue on Wed, 10 August 2016, 23:52:04

LZ, any chance for a wrist rest to be added to the order/form, like the one in your preview thread?

Show Image

agree :-*

LifeZ · « **Reply #8 on:** Thu, 11 August 2016, 01:58:00 »

Quote from: jerue on Wed, 10 August 2016, 23:52:04

LZ, any chance for a wrist rest to be added to the order/form, like the one in your preview thread?

Show Image

OH....
layer Acrylic wrist add-option?

jerue · « **Reply #9 on:** Thu, 11 August 2016, 07:13:51 »

Quote from: LifeZ on Thu, 11 August 2016, 01:58:00

Quote from: jerue on Wed, 10 August 2016, 23:52:04
LZ, any chance for a wrist rest to be added to the order/form, like the one in your preview thread?

Show Image

OH....
layer Acrylic wrist add-option?

Yes. Either I missed it completely or you just made it available as an add on. Thanks :)

LifeZ · « **Reply #10 on:** Thu, 11 August 2016, 09:22:51 »

Quote from: jerue on Thu, 11 August 2016, 07:13:51

Quote from: LifeZ on Thu, 11 August 2016, 01:58:00
Quote from: jerue on Wed, 10 August 2016, 23:52:04
LZ, any chance for a wrist rest to be added to the order/form, like the one in your preview thread?

Show Image

OH....
layer Acrylic wrist add-option?

Yes. Either I missed it completely or you just made it available as an add on. Thanks :)

ADD Order form
black n white

KetchyKech · « **Reply #11 on:** Thu, 11 August 2016, 09:46:44 »

Oh, I thought there'd be more color options like with LZ Iron

Must ponder this thoroughly !

MajorKoos · « **Reply #12 on:** Fri, 12 August 2016, 21:42:05 »

Ordered!

Wish there were more color choices, but black will do in a pinch.

LifeZ · « **Reply #13 on:** Tue, 16 August 2016, 00:12:43 »

ErGO PCB
Nice~!!

hoggy · « **Reply #14 on:** Tue, 16 August 2016, 15:25:27 »

LifeZ, could you please confirm my order? My internet connection was playing up at the time...

LifeZ · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 17 August 2016, 19:25:51 »

Quote from: hoggy on Tue, 16 August 2016, 15:25:27

LifeZ, could you please confirm my order? My internet connection was playing up at the time...

order confirm.
United Kingdom

hoggy · « **Reply #16 on:** Thu, 18 August 2016, 07:13:12 »

That's great, thanks!

MajorKoos · « **Reply #17 on:** Sat, 20 August 2016, 19:57:38 »

I'm looking forward to this GB and anxiously awaiting the notification for my payment confirmation

My first LZ board is going to be an Ergo!

henz · « **Reply #18 on:** Sun, 21 August 2016, 02:30:56 »

Have not gotten any invoice yet.

nguyenkimtam · « **Reply #19 on:** Sun, 21 August 2016, 05:45:10 »

Quote from: henz on Sun, 21 August 2016, 02:30:56

Have not gotten any invoice yet.

me too , still not receive invoice

MajorKoos · « **Reply #20 on:** Sun, 21 August 2016, 06:46:17 »

Quote from: nguyenkimtam on Sun, 21 August 2016, 05:45:10

Quote from: henz on Sun, 21 August 2016, 02:30:56
Have not gotten any invoice yet.
me too , still not receive invoice

Me three.
The suspense...

LZ is a pro - doubt there is anything to worry about.

LifeZ · « **Reply #21 on:** Sun, 21 August 2016, 19:07:12 »

yeah

just wait.

today send invoice.

THx

hoggy · « **Reply #22 on:** Mon, 22 August 2016, 06:28:31 »

Paid!

MajorKoos · « **Reply #23 on:** Mon, 22 August 2016, 07:31:59 »

Likewise

Now to find a suitably epic set of caps.
I wonder if SA would be overkill?

LifeZ · « **Reply #24 on:** Wed, 24 August 2016, 03:20:51 »

proto anodized.
black n gray

Germiphene · « **Reply #25 on:** Mon, 29 August 2016, 09:19:17 »

Oh man, I'm sad I missed this. My LZ-GH is the only keyboard I use at home any more. Absolutely love it. If anyone is looking to get out of this, let me know.

blighty · « **Reply #26 on:** Wed, 31 August 2016, 01:32:14 »

So, how many LZ ErGO's were ordered? Also, are there any plans for other ergonomic boards in the future?

cyberpigg · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue, 13 September 2016, 16:13:28 »

Just wanted to post interest in a future ergonomic board as well. I didn't bite on this one because it'd be for work and I can't justify leaving an expensive board at the office. If the next iteration had options to lower the cost such as a plastic case perhaps, I'd be all over it.

LifeZ · « **Reply #28 on:** Tue, 20 September 2016, 20:40:06 »

Quote from: Germiphene on Mon, 29 August 2016, 09:19:17

Oh man, I'm sad I missed this. My LZ-GH is the only keyboard I use at home any more. Absolutely love it. If anyone is looking to get out of this, let me know.

Follow me

LifeZ · « **Reply #29 on:** Tue, 20 September 2016, 20:41:11 »

Quote from: blighty on Wed, 31 August 2016, 01:32:14

So, how many LZ ErGO's were ordered? Also, are there any plans for other ergonomic boards in the future?

There are no confirmed plans. But if you want someone

LifeZ · « **Reply #30 on:** Fri, 23 September 2016, 08:32:28 »

SOME ONE

KetchyKech · « **Reply #31 on:** Fri, 23 September 2016, 09:14:56 »

Quote from: LifeZ on Fri, 23 September 2016, 08:32:28

SOME ONE

I want some one

ChQuNg · « **Reply #32 on:** Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:39:16 »

I would be in for a full size ergo board with numbpad.

KetchyKech · « **Reply #33 on:** Tue, 04 October 2016, 11:38:48 »

Now that I have the money for this the regret is real

Quote from: ChQuNg on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:39:16

I would be in for a full size ergo board with numbpad.

I agree with this right here~!

geniekid · « **Reply #34 on:** Tue, 01 November 2016, 09:17:40 »

How is this going?

yawg · « **Reply #35 on:** Mon, 07 November 2016, 00:47:41 »

LZ, Please let me know if you have any black ergos laying around that I can scoop up! I've been all over and this is the only keyboard I need in my life o.o

LifeZ · « **Reply #36 on:** Mon, 14 November 2016, 17:50:26 »

11/15
CNC DONE
processing Anodize
around ship - dec.2016

MajorKoos · « **Reply #37 on:** Sun, 04 December 2016, 12:18:09 »

There is an acrylic version too!

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=4037322&mid=board_Lsno50

cyberpigg · « **Reply #38 on:** Mon, 05 December 2016, 11:55:18 »

Ooo interesting

Trente · « **Reply #39 on:** Thu, 08 December 2016, 01:12:02 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Sun, 04 December 2016, 12:18:09

There is an acrylic version too!

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=4037322&mid=board_Lsno50

This one looks absolutely sick! Is there any way we can get it?

laughatpain · « **Reply #40 on:** Thu, 08 December 2016, 01:22:18 »

I was MIA when the GB went live. If someone finds they no longer have time to build the kit, i'll pick it up once they ship.

Trente · « **Reply #41 on:** Thu, 08 December 2016, 19:30:01 »

Quote from: laughatpain on Thu, 08 December 2016, 01:22:18

I was MIA when the GB went live. If someone finds they no longer have time to build the kit, i'll pick it up once they ship.

I am not sure whether I would sold mine as I spent to much money on keyboard and I am soooo poor right now. But I did ordered a extra set of PCB and plate, and I have a plan to sell them. If you are interested in the pcb and the plate after the shipment started, pls let me know.

laughatpain · « **Reply #42 on:** Thu, 08 December 2016, 19:53:58 »

Quote from: Trente on Thu, 08 December 2016, 19:30:01

Quote from: laughatpain on Thu, 08 December 2016, 01:22:18
I was MIA when the GB went live. If someone finds they no longer have time to build the kit, i'll pick it up once they ship.

I am not sure whether I would sold mine as I spent to much money on keyboard and I am soooo poor right now. But I did ordered a extra set of PCB and plate, and I have a plan to sell them. If you are interested in the pcb and the plate after the shipment started, pls let me know.

Not worth much without the case, thanks for the offer though

MajorKoos · « **Reply #43 on:** Thu, 08 December 2016, 20:12:22 »

Quote from: laughatpain on Thu, 08 December 2016, 19:53:58

Quote from: Trente on Thu, 08 December 2016, 19:30:01
Quote from: laughatpain on Thu, 08 December 2016, 01:22:18
I was MIA when the GB went live. If someone finds they no longer have time to build the kit, i'll pick it up once they ship.

I am not sure whether I would sold mine as I spent to much money on keyboard and I am soooo poor right now. But I did ordered a extra set of PCB and plate, and I have a plan to sell them. If you are interested in the pcb and the plate after the shipment started, pls let me know.

Not worth much without the case, thanks for the offer though

I'd gladly purchase a spare plate + PCB if it's still going.
I'm kicking myself for not getting them with the original GB.

_BMW_M3_ · « **Reply #44 on:** Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:04:58 »

When will these be shipping?

jil_jil32 · « **Reply #45 on:** Tue, 27 December 2016, 01:21:12 »

Received the board this morning. Thank you, LZ!

mrboovn · « **Reply #46 on:** Tue, 27 December 2016, 03:35:09 »

Quote from: jil_jil32 on Tue, 27 December 2016, 01:21:12

Received the board this morning. Thank you, LZ!

Show Image

Nice board jil :thumb: Can't wait to see it assembled

blighty · « **Reply #47 on:** Tue, 27 December 2016, 14:44:53 »

Hi, my kit came in this afternoon as well. Unfortunately, I'm missing a black wrist rest, and I received an aluminum switch plate and 2 PCBs (instead of 1 SS plate and PCB). Sending PM now...

Board looks great though!

boo · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:34:21 »

Anyone's pcb comes with rgb presoldered?

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blighty · « **Reply #49 on:** Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:41:52 »

Quote from: boo on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:34:21

Anyone's pcb comes with rgb presoldered?

Neither of the pcb's I received have the RGB LEDs soldered on the underside. It makes sense that they didn't solder any on these boards, since we wouldn't see the light through the case anyway.

boo · « **Reply #50 on:** Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:45:36 »

Quote from: blighty on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:41:52

Quote from: boo on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:34:21
Anyone's pcb comes with rgb presoldered?

Neither of the pcb's I received have the RGB LEDs soldered on the underside. It makes sense that they didn't solder any on these boards, since we wouldn't see the light through the case anyway.

Yeah makes sense. Just that there were solder already applied on it so just thought to ask. Thanks!

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_BMW_M3_ · « **Reply #51 on:** Thu, 29 December 2016, 15:22:10 »

Just got my board today! Thanks LZ!

I'm trying to figure out what [cherry profile] keyset I should use for this thing. Anyone have ideas? ( I got grey and grey) I'm thinking Sky Dolch but I don't know what I would use for the 2.25u key and the 2.75u key on the bottom. Opinions?

MajorKoos · « **Reply #52 on:** Thu, 29 December 2016, 15:40:27 »

Thank you LZ.
Mine just arrived as well.
It looks wonderful.

Trente · « **Reply #53 on:** Thu, 29 December 2016, 21:18:09 »

Still waiting for mine, hope it could be arriving before 2017 comes.

MajorKoos · « **Reply #54 on:** Fri, 30 December 2016, 08:28:06 »

Quote from: Trente on Thu, 29 December 2016, 21:18:09

Still waiting for mine, hope it could be arriving before 2017 comes.

It's all up to the postal services now I suspect.
Mine had #10 written on some of the packaged parts, so I assume at least 10 of them have already shipped.
I hope your's shows up soon.

MajorKoos · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 30 December 2016, 08:45:00 »

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Thu, 29 December 2016, 15:22:10

Just got my board today! Thanks LZ!

I'm trying to figure out what [cherry profile] keyset I should use for this thing. Anyone have ideas? ( I got grey and grey) I'm thinking Sky Dolch but I don't know what I would use for the 2.25u key and the 2.75u key on the bottom. Opinions?

It also needs an additional 1.25u key on the bottom row unless you decide to get creative.

blighty · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 30 December 2016, 08:58:51 »

Quote from: boo on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:45:36

Quote from: blighty on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:41:52
Quote from: boo on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:34:21
Anyone's pcb comes with rgb presoldered?

Neither of the pcb's I received have the RGB LEDs soldered on the underside. It makes sense that they didn't solder any on these boards, since we wouldn't see the light through the case anyway.

Yeah makes sense. Just that there were solder already applied on it so just thought to ask. Thanks!

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Quote

PCB : Full SMT(pre-soldered Device, Diodes, Resistors, RGB Leds)
The PCB is Designed/Developed by Leeku
The PCB is Programmed with JigOn firmware : http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?

mid=board_sw&document_srl=2702787

According to the OP, we should of had the RGB LEDs soldered on as well. Oh well.

MajorKoos · « **Reply #57 on:** Fri, 30 December 2016, 14:18:24 »

This proved to be quite useful.

Quote from: Pliny on Tue, 09 August 2016, 01:31:47

I've collected L3 software/JigOn tips from threads on GH, Google translate and Github, so here is my attempt at English documentation for Leeku's software:

L3 Software and JigOn ^{(PDF download from Dropbox)}

It's a beginning more than an end. Feedback appreciated!

edit: v1.04 up!

Trente · « **Reply #58 on:** Sat, 31 December 2016, 06:52:11 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Fri, 30 December 2016, 08:28:06

It's all up to the postal services now I suspect.
Mine had #10 written on some of the packaged parts, so I assume at least 10 of them have already shipped.
I hope your's shows up soon.

Mine eventually arrived before yesterday. It looks so amazing. But one thing that confused me is those little black pins attached with the PCB near the USB port, what are those pins used for?

MajorKoos · « **Reply #59 on:** Sat, 31 December 2016, 07:55:18 »

Quote from: Trente on Sat, 31 December 2016, 06:52:11

Quote from: MajorKoos on Fri, 30 December 2016, 08:28:06
It's all up to the postal services now I suspect.
Mine had #10 written on some of the packaged parts, so I assume at least 10 of them have already shipped.
I hope your's shows up soon.

Mine eventually arrived before yesterday. It looks so amazing. But one thing that confused me is those little black pins attached with the PCB near the USB port, what are those pins used for?

Those are sip sockets for the lock LEDs.
Solder them into the row of holes, trim the lock LED pins to size and stick them in the sockets.

Trente · « **Reply #60 on:** Sat, 31 December 2016, 08:46:43 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Sat, 31 December 2016, 07:55:18

Those are sip sockets for the lock LEDs.
Solder them into the row of holes, trim the lock LED pins to size and stick them in the sockets.

Gotcha! Thx for the explanation

MajorKoos · « **Reply #61 on:** Sun, 01 January 2017, 14:50:54 »

My keyboard isn't being detected by windows - "Unknown USB Device (Device Descriptor Request Failed)"
Thought it was the in-switch LED's, but after removing them the issue remains.
I've also tried plugging it in while holding U and ESC without any success.
I think the PCB is fried

_BMW_M3_ · « **Reply #62 on:** Sun, 01 January 2017, 21:45:41 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Sun, 01 January 2017, 14:50:54

My keyboard isn't being detected by windows - "Unknown USB Device (Device Descriptor Request Failed)"
Thought it was the in-switch LED's, but after removing them the issue remains.
I've also tried plugging it in while holding U and ESC without any success.
I think the PCB is fried

Mine is doing the exact same thing

MajorKoos · « **Reply #63 on:** Mon, 02 January 2017, 08:21:14 »

Well, I must admit to being a bit relieved I'm not alone in this.
I usually assemble a kbd every other week, so I doubt I did something daft.

_BMW_M3_ · « **Reply #64 on:** Mon, 02 January 2017, 10:44:18 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 02 January 2017, 08:21:14

Well, I must admit to being a bit relieved I'm not alone in this.
I usually assemble a kbd every other week, so I doubt I did something daft.

I think it was probably damaged upon shipping. I spoke with Leeku and he sent me to Kin. Kin is having me ship the pcb back to him. I'm going to try to maybe make a deal with Kin where I don't have to ship the broken PCB back. Shipping back to Korea will cost more than the cost of replacing the PCB, I think. I'll keep you updated.

xauser · « **Reply #65 on:** Tue, 03 January 2017, 11:51:55 »

I got mine today and everything looks great. Thank you Life Zone.

geniekid · « **Reply #66 on:** Wed, 04 January 2017, 20:47:50 »

Got my set. Thanks!

hoggy · « **Reply #67 on:** Thu, 05 January 2017, 07:14:45 »

Got mine a few days ago. I was impressed by the packing.

MajorKoos · « **Reply #68 on:** Thu, 05 January 2017, 07:22:12 »

Please do let us know when you've assembled yours.
Pictures!

Trente · « **Reply #69 on:** Thu, 05 January 2017, 10:53:41 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Thu, 05 January 2017, 07:22:12

Please do let us know when you've assembled yours.
Pictures!

Sure thing, though I am still struggling about which switch I should use for this board. I used to put ergo clear or gateron blue/green on my board for the sweet bump or the clicky sound. So I am kinda thinking about ergo clear again or trying out the Aristotle switch on this board. But recently I want something that got a sweet bump but with a lighter spring so my girlfriend don't need to get her finger tired when she is typing on my board. It seems cherry brown don't have such a sweet bump, and the clear switch need a heavier spring to be functional (at least 62g). Is there any switch out there can do so? And I had seen many people using linear switch on their custom board, but personally I having tried linear switch for a long time. So wondering how it feels like when typing on for example a cherry black switch or gateron yellow switch. Can you know when the actuation happened or you need to continuously bottom out to prevent missing of characters?

BTW, I haven't check whether my PCB is functional, so just wondering can the connection issue be detected before soldering switch on it ?

joey · « **Reply #70 on:** Thu, 05 January 2017, 10:57:55 »

Quote from: Trente on Thu, 05 January 2017, 10:53:41

BTW, I haven't check whether my PCB is functional, so just wondering can the connection issue be detected before soldering switch on it ?

You can plug the keyboard in, and use tweezers to 'short' the pins of the switch.

xauser · « **Reply #71 on:** Sat, 07 January 2017, 10:48:01 »

My build is almost done. Switch leds will follow later, if at all.

Specs:
Gray bottom, gray top
Aluminium plate,
Gateron red switches,
Enjoy PBT dye sub keycaps

Mods:
Sip sockets,
Lubed switches,
TMK firmware

Now I hope I get used to this new layout/orientation. Getting key 'B' and 'ENTER' feels very strange to me right now.

geniekid · « **Reply #72 on:** Mon, 09 January 2017, 08:15:41 »

I'm completely in love with this keyboard. If this GB were rerun I would seriously consider buying a second one.

joey · « **Reply #73 on:** Mon, 09 January 2017, 08:17:18 »

Quote from: xauser on Sat, 07 January 2017, 10:48:01

My build is almost done. Switch leds will follow later, if at all.

Specs:
Gray bottom, gray top
Aluminium plate,
Gateron red switches,
Enjoy PBT dye sub keycaps

Mods:
Sip sockets,
Lubed switches,
TMK firmware

Now I hope I get used to this new layout/orientation. Getting key 'B' and 'ENTER' feels very strange to me right now.

(Attachment Link)

yeeee boiiiiii

Unforgivable · « **Reply #74 on:** Tue, 10 January 2017, 02:41:28 »

kin25 · « **Reply #75 on:** Wed, 11 January 2017, 22:12:09 »

Leeku L3 pcb Jigon manual

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83950.msg2236885#msg2236885

agHalides · « **Reply #76 on:** Mon, 16 January 2017, 07:17:06 »

Quote from: Unforgivable on Tue, 10 January 2017, 02:41:28

Can anyone share their experience with this keyboard?

Anyone have any sweet typing vids?

LZ! I want one! Let me know if you have spares of this amazing keyboard!

Same here, wish I was on for this GB!

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MajorKoos · « **Reply #77 on:** Mon, 16 January 2017, 12:24:44 »

The parts

Clear stabs + lube

Mod-L switches

It's built like a tank

MiTo DSA Overcast + Blindspots

Trente · « **Reply #78 on:** Thu, 19 January 2017, 15:59:36 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 16 January 2017, 12:24:44

The parts
(Attachment Link)

Clear stabs + lube
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Mod-L switches
(Attachment Link)

It's built like a tank
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

MiTo DSA Overcast + Blindspots
(Attachment Link)

OMG how does the Mod L feels like? I just grab some Mod M switches for my ergo

MajorKoos · « **Reply #79 on:** Thu, 19 January 2017, 20:55:43 »

Quote from: Trente on Thu, 19 January 2017, 15:59:36

Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 16 January 2017, 12:24:44

The parts
(Attachment Link)

Clear stabs + lube
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Mod-L switches
(Attachment Link)

It's built like a tank
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

MiTo DSA Overcast + Blindspots
(Attachment Link)

OMG how does the Mod L feels like? I just grab some Mod M switches for my ergo

I'm not having the best time with the MOD-L switches to be honest.
Comparing them to Zelios of any flavor:
- they feel grittier, even when lubed excessively
- without lube they're almost sticky
- due to the spring design there is very little resistance after the tactile bump which causes them to bottom out hard.
- I had 3 faulty switches in a batch of 110

Eventually I gave in and joined R4.5 for some 67g Zelios.

_BMW_M3_ · « **Reply #80 on:** Thu, 19 January 2017, 22:47:37 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Thu, 19 January 2017, 20:55:43

Quote from: Trente on Thu, 19 January 2017, 15:59:36
Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 16 January 2017, 12:24:44

The parts
(Attachment Link)

Clear stabs + lube
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Mod-L switches
(Attachment Link)

It's built like a tank
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

MiTo DSA Overcast + Blindspots
(Attachment Link)

OMG how does the Mod L feels like? I just grab some Mod M switches for my ergo

I'm not having the best time with the MOD-L switches to be honest.
Comparing them to Zelios of any flavor:
- they feel grittier, even when lubed excessively
- without lube they're almost sticky
- due to the spring design there is very little resistance after the tactile bump which causes them to bottom out hard.
- I had 3 faulty switches in a batch of 110

Eventually I gave in and joined R4.5 for some 67g Zelios.

I'm going to be putting 78g Zealios on mine once Kin sends my pcb back!

MajorKoos · « **Reply #81 on:** Fri, 20 January 2017, 06:22:13 »

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Thu, 19 January 2017, 22:47:37

Quote from: MajorKoos on Thu, 19 January 2017, 20:55:43
Quote from: Trente on Thu, 19 January 2017, 15:59:36
Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 16 January 2017, 12:24:44

The parts
(Attachment Link)

Clear stabs + lube
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Mod-L switches
(Attachment Link)

It's built like a tank
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

MiTo DSA Overcast + Blindspots
(Attachment Link)

OMG how does the Mod L feels like? I just grab some Mod M switches for my ergo

I'm not having the best time with the MOD-L switches to be honest.
Comparing them to Zelios of any flavor:
- they feel grittier, even when lubed excessively
- without lube they're almost sticky
- due to the spring design there is very little resistance after the tactile bump which causes them to bottom out hard.
- I had 3 faulty switches in a batch of 110

Eventually I gave in and joined R4.5 for some 67g Zelios.

I'm going to be putting 78g Zealios on mine once Kin sends my pcb back!

Good choice. That's my favorite switch

doom2 · « **Reply #82 on:** Mon, 23 January 2017, 19:45:51 »

Though I'm not ready to put this board together, I was looking at the PCB this evening. Most of the solder points are self explanatory (switch or LED), but I had a few questions:

What are these?

Why do these solder points have three in a row? I presume it gives the flexibility for switches on the bottom row.

blighty · « **Reply #83 on:** Mon, 23 January 2017, 19:53:45 »

Quote from: doom2 on Mon, 23 January 2017, 19:45:51

Though I'm not ready to put this board together, I was looking at the PCB this evening. Most of the solder points are self explanatory (switch or LED), but I had a few questions:

What are these?
(Attachment Link)

Why do these solder points have three in a row? I presume it gives the flexibility for switches on the bottom row.
(Attachment Link)

The first pic relates to programming the chip http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Program-AVR-chip-using-a-USBASP-with-6-pin-cable.php
The end user shouldn't need to mess with that, since the bootloader should already be flashed and ready for whatever layout you throw on it via the JigOn software.

The second pic and the multiple solder points is for the various layouts that are supported on the bottom row.

axtran · « **Reply #84 on:** Tue, 28 February 2017, 10:08:35 »

I want one of these. Feels bad missing out!

LifeZ · « **Reply #85 on:** Wed, 01 March 2017, 22:42:57 »

Quote from: axtran on Tue, 28 February 2017, 10:08:35

I want one of these. Feels bad missing out!

good luck~!!

MajorKoos · « **Reply #86 on:** Fri, 03 March 2017, 19:20:01 »

Finally complete.
GMK Carbon + Addons + Spacebar kit.
67g Zelios +1.5mm o-rings + Zealencios.

KetchyKech · « **Reply #87 on:** Sun, 05 March 2017, 15:12:25 »

Quote from: ChQuNg on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:39:16

I would be in for a full size ergo board with numbpad.

Quote from: KetchyKech on Tue, 04 October 2016, 11:38:48

Now that I have the money for this the regret is real

Quote from: ChQuNg on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:39:16
I would be in for a full size ergo board with numbpad.

I agree with this right here~!

we did it GH:

Now lets get even greedier and ask for the LZ-Ergo Full Size RV

poolside · « **Reply #88 on:** Sun, 05 March 2017, 15:51:41 »

This is one huge chunk of metal!

fublamchu · « **Reply #89 on:** Sun, 05 March 2017, 17:46:17 »

I can't imagine what the shipping cost for that would be

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MajorKoos · « **Reply #90 on:** Sun, 05 March 2017, 18:46:43 »

^^^
oh wow - that full size LZ Ergo looks awesome with the integrated wrist rest.
An RV would be amazing.

boo · « **Reply #91 on:** Sun, 05 March 2017, 20:34:12 »

Quote from: KetchyKech on Sun, 05 March 2017, 15:12:25

Quote from: ChQuNg on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:39:16
I would be in for a full size ergo board with numbpad.

Quote from: KetchyKech on Tue, 04 October 2016, 11:38:48
Now that I have the money for this the regret is real

Quote from: ChQuNg on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:39:16
I would be in for a full size ergo board with numbpad.

I agree with this right here~!

we did it GH:

Show Image

Show Image

Now lets get even greedier and ask for the LZ-Ergo Full Size RV

How did you get this?

KetchyKech · « **Reply #92 on:** Mon, 06 March 2017, 12:21:01 »

Quote from: boo on Sun, 05 March 2017, 20:34:12

Quote from: KetchyKech on Sun, 05 March 2017, 15:12:25
Quote from: ChQuNg on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:39:16
I would be in for a full size ergo board with numbpad.

Quote from: KetchyKech on Tue, 04 October 2016, 11:38:48
Now that I have the money for this the regret is real

Quote from: ChQuNg on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:39:16
I would be in for a full size ergo board with numbpad.

I agree with this right here~!

we did it GH:

Show Image

Show Image

Now lets get even greedier and ask for the LZ-Ergo Full Size RV

How did you get this?

This isn't mine. This seems like a proto, it was posted on kbdlab by LZ himself.

doom2 · « **Reply #93 on:** Tue, 14 March 2017, 09:42:42 »

Got the board setup finally! Two things I'm noticing that are probably firmware issues: the keys I have mapped to winkey/cmd (on mac) seem to lose their mapping after a while....? Also, is there a way in the JigOn software to map a key to laptop fn? That is, the key on many laptops that let you use the f-row as a regular f-row but fn+F1 might dim screen.

Pics soon!

doom2 · « **Reply #94 on:** Tue, 14 March 2017, 09:57:56 »

Built. GMK Carbon (borrowing a key from Hyperfuse), 78g Zealios, clipped/lubed screw-in Zeal stabs.

doom2 · « **Reply #95 on:** Tue, 14 March 2017, 09:59:49 »

Quote from: xauser on Sat, 07 January 2017, 10:48:01

My build is almost done. Switch leds will follow later, if at all.

Specs:
Gray bottom, gray top
Aluminium plate,
Gateron red switches,
Enjoy PBT dye sub keycaps

Mods:
Sip sockets,
Lubed switches,
TMK firmware

Now I hope I get used to this new layout/orientation. Getting key 'B' and 'ENTER' feels very strange to me right now.

(Attachment Link)

Link to the TMK code that supports this board? Tips about flashing it? Would like to get this to support the laptop fn key if possible. Maybe TMK can help there.

xauser · « **Reply #96 on:** Wed, 15 March 2017, 17:59:17 »

Quote from: doom2 on Tue, 14 March 2017, 09:59:49

Link to the TMK code that supports this board? Tips about flashing it? Would like to get this to support the laptop fn key if possible. Maybe TMK can help there.

You can find sources here: https://github.com/xauser/tmk_keyboard/tree/xauser/keyboard/l3
Firmware supports lzcp, tx1800 and lzergo. This tmk port supports only the basic PCB features (matrix and some led effects). Official firmware from leeku is way more feature complete.

Some of these fn keys do not send keycodes to the host so tmk won't be of any help.

I changed the bootloader as well. Readme has some info how to do that. Maybe you can keep original bootloader. Let me know if you have further questions.

_BMW_M3_ · « **Reply #97 on:** Mon, 03 April 2017, 08:57:12 »

So since this keyboard isn't the most... JigOn GUI friendly, does anyone have a keymap with "B" on the right hand side of the keyboard?

MajorKoos · « **Reply #98 on:** Mon, 03 April 2017, 13:51:13 »

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 03 April 2017, 08:57:12

So since this keyboard isn't the most... JigOn GUI friendly, does anyone have a keymap with "B" on the right hand side of the keyboard?

Here you go:

If you're en-us choose keyboard->connect in the JigOn UI and then when you press a key on the keyboard it will highlight in the UI similar to how BootMapper Client does it.

MajorKoos · « **Reply #99 on:** Mon, 03 April 2017, 14:22:27 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 03 April 2017, 13:51:13

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 03 April 2017, 08:57:12
So since this keyboard isn't the most... JigOn GUI friendly, does anyone have a keymap with "B" on the right hand side of the keyboard?

Attached

If you're en-us choose keyboard->connect in the JigOn UI and then when you press a key on the keyboard it will highlight in the UI similar to how BootMapper Client does it.

blighty · « **Reply #100 on:** Mon, 03 April 2017, 18:14:45 »

I don't have anything mapped to that key. Come to think of it, I didn't bind anything to the second and fourth keys on the bottom left either. The keyboard is almost wasted on me, right? LOL

_BMW_M3_ · « **Reply #101 on:** Mon, 03 April 2017, 20:49:13 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 03 April 2017, 13:51:13

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 03 April 2017, 08:57:12
So since this keyboard isn't the most... JigOn GUI friendly, does anyone have a keymap with "B" on the right hand side of the keyboard?

Here you go:

If you're en-us choose keyboard->connect in the JigOn UI and then when you press a key on the keyboard it will highlight in the UI similar to how BootMapper Client does it.

For whatever reason, it is NOT highlighting for me

Ty for map though!

MajorKoos · « **Reply #102 on:** Tue, 04 April 2017, 09:49:03 »

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 03 April 2017, 20:49:13

Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 03 April 2017, 13:51:13
Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 03 April 2017, 08:57:12
So since this keyboard isn't the most... JigOn GUI friendly, does anyone have a keymap with "B" on the right hand side of the keyboard?

Here you go:

If you're en-us choose keyboard->connect in the JigOn UI and then when you press a key on the keyboard it will highlight in the UI similar to how BootMapper Client does it.

For whatever reason, it is NOT highlighting for me Ty for map though!

Sweet.
Holler if you need some more tweaks to that keymap - like moving the FN keys etc.

_BMW_M3_ · « **Reply #103 on:** Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:26:58 »

Anyone else having issues with their Ergo PCB? This is my second PCB and the MCU is fried.

MajorKoos · « **Reply #104 on:** Mon, 01 May 2017, 09:21:11 »

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:26:58

Anyone else having issues with their Ergo PCB? This is my second PCB and the MCU is fried.

I thought I'd fried mine at first, but re-flashing both the bootloader and firmware with an ISP did the trick - not a single issue since.
In my case there seems to be something odd going on with the in-switch LED's - toggling them on caused the board to reboot and brick itself.

If you have an ISP programmer (or a raspberry pi to use as one) I can send you the bootloader/firmware to test.
At the very least the ISP will let you know if the MCU is truly fried.

boo · « **Reply #105 on:** Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:01:14 »

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:26:58

Anyone else having issues with their Ergo PCB? This is my second PCB and the MCU is fried.

I have issues when I unplug and replug the pcb the board is bricked. I had Leeku looked at it and he said there are no problems after re flashing using ISP and AVRDUDE. I think it's my USB port corrupting the board

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MajorKoos · « **Reply #106 on:** Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:12:18 »

Quote from: boo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:01:14

Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:26:58
Anyone else having issues with their Ergo PCB? This is my second PCB and the MCU is fried.

I have issues when I unplug and replug the pcb the board is bricked. I had Leeku looked at it and he said there are no problems after re flashing using ISP and AVRDUDE. I think it's my USB port corrupting the board

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Are you using in-switch LEDs?

blighty · « **Reply #107 on:** Mon, 01 May 2017, 20:38:46 »

I haven't had any problems with the pcb as of late, but I didn't solder in in-switch LEDs. I managed to spill sake on mine, but after a quick rubbing alcohol bath, things were back to normal. Hope you get your issue sorted soon.

boo · « **Reply #108 on:** Mon, 01 May 2017, 21:02:47 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:12:18

Quote from: boo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:01:14
Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:26:58
Anyone else having issues with their Ergo PCB? This is my second PCB and the MCU is fried.

I have issues when I unplug and replug the pcb the board is bricked. I had Leeku looked at it and he said there are no problems after re flashing using ISP and AVRDUDE. I think it's my USB port corrupting the board

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Are you using in-switch LEDs?

Yeah I do. Sip sockets, funny I can tell when my keyboard is working or not working because when I plug in and doesn't work, only the WASD and Arrow in switch leds turn on. If it works, all leds turn on. :/ weird I tried rebooting using isp and update to the latest firmware and when I turn off in switch led, the board bricks. It's recognized by jigon and I can program it but led is wonky to me.

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MajorKoos · « **Reply #109 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 05:51:59 »

Quote from: boo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 21:02:47

Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:12:18
Quote from: boo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:01:14
Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:26:58
Anyone else having issues with their Ergo PCB? This is my second PCB and the MCU is fried.

I have issues when I unplug and replug the pcb the board is bricked. I had Leeku looked at it and he said there are no problems after re flashing using ISP and AVRDUDE. I think it's my USB port corrupting the board

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Are you using in-switch LEDs?

Yeah I do. Sip sockets, funny I can tell when my keyboard is working or not working because when I plug in and doesn't work, only the WASD and Arrow in switch leds turn on. If it works, all leds turn on. :/ weird I tried rebooting using isp and update to the latest firmware and when I turn off in switch led, the board bricks. It's recognized by jigon and I can program it but led is wonky to me.

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I thought so.
Mine was very wonky with the LED's installed.
Toggling them on was enough to cause the board to reboot and brick itself.
I suspect that it's a power issue causing the firmware to corrupt on the board.
After removing all the LEDs and reflashing the firmware the board has been 100% stable for me.

boo · « **Reply #110 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 11:09:06 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Tue, 02 May 2017, 05:51:59

Quote from: boo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 21:02:47
Quote from: MajorKoos on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:12:18
Quote from: boo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:01:14
Quote from: _BMW_M3_ on Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:26:58
Anyone else having issues with their Ergo PCB? This is my second PCB and the MCU is fried.

I have issues when I unplug and replug the pcb the board is bricked. I had Leeku looked at it and he said there are no problems after re flashing using ISP and AVRDUDE. I think it's my USB port corrupting the board

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Are you using in-switch LEDs?

Yeah I do. Sip sockets, funny I can tell when my keyboard is working or not working because when I plug in and doesn't work, only the WASD and Arrow in switch leds turn on. If it works, all leds turn on. :/ weird I tried rebooting using isp and update to the latest firmware and when I turn off in switch led, the board bricks. It's recognized by jigon and I can program it but led is wonky to me.

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I thought so.
Mine was very wonky with the LED's installed.
Toggling them on was enough to cause the board to reboot and brick itself.
I suspect that it's a power issue causing the firmware to corrupt on the board.
After removing all the LEDs and reflashing the firmware the board has been 100% stable for me.

Hmm it is sip socketed so do you think simply removing the LED may be enough? Desoldering is a pain

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xauser · « **Reply #111 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:14:24 »

Some weeks ago I had to debug my tmk port of lz ergo l3 because of random firmware crashes. I use this firmware on other l3 based boards (lzcp, tx1800) without any issues. After some hours of debugging it turned out that the (on my board) unsoldered rgb leds caused the issue. I patched my firmware to stop sending any rgb led requests and it became stable.

I don't know jigon and/or original firmware that much but maybe you could try to avoid doing any rgb led based commands there or you could try to solder at least rgb led 1. Maybe that will cure your issues as well.

boo · « **Reply #112 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:36:38 »

Quote from: xauser on Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:14:24

Some weeks ago I had to debug my tmk port of lz ergo l3 because of random firmware crashes. I use this firmware on other l3 based boards (lzcp, tx1800) without any issues. After some hours of debugging it turned out that the (on my board) unsoldered rgb leds caused the issue. I patched my firmware to stop sending any rgb led requests and it became stable.

I don't know jigon and/or original firmware that much but maybe you could try to avoid doing any rgb led based commands there or you could try to solder at least rgb led 1. Maybe that will cure your issues as well.

I will give that a try. Right now, i removed all leds, and jigon is able to recognize my keys when I type all the rows and columns but the keys won't register normally. Did this ever occur to you?

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MajorKoos · « **Reply #113 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:03:50 »

Quote from: boo on Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:36:38

Quote from: xauser on Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:14:24
Some weeks ago I had to debug my tmk port of lz ergo l3 because of random firmware crashes. I use this firmware on other l3 based boards (lzcp, tx1800) without any issues. After some hours of debugging it turned out that the (on my board) unsoldered rgb leds caused the issue. I patched my firmware to stop sending any rgb led requests and it became stable.

I don't know jigon and/or original firmware that much but maybe you could try to avoid doing any rgb led based commands there or you could try to solder at least rgb led 1. Maybe that will cure your issues as well.

I will give that a try. Right now, i removed all leds, and jigon is able to recognize my keys when I type all the rows and columns but the keys won't register normally. Did this ever occur to you?

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Wow - that's strange.
JigOn recognizes the correct key, but nothing comes through in windows?
What if you re-write the keymap to the KBD?
I posted one here if you want to test: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83971.msg2395821#msg2395821

boo · « **Reply #114 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:05:11 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:03:50

Quote from: boo on Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:36:38
Quote from: xauser on Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:14:24
Some weeks ago I had to debug my tmk port of lz ergo l3 because of random firmware crashes. I use this firmware on other l3 based boards (lzcp, tx1800) without any issues. After some hours of debugging it turned out that the (on my board) unsoldered rgb leds caused the issue. I patched my firmware to stop sending any rgb led requests and it became stable.

I don't know jigon and/or original firmware that much but maybe you could try to avoid doing any rgb led based commands there or you could try to solder at least rgb led 1. Maybe that will cure your issues as well.

I will give that a try. Right now, i removed all leds, and jigon is able to recognize my keys when I type all the rows and columns but the keys won't register normally. Did this ever occur to you?

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Wow - that's strange.
JigOn recognizes the correct key, but nothing comes through in windows?
What if you re-write the keymap to the KBD?
I posted one here if you want to test: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83971.msg2395821#msg2395821

I will give it a try. Thank you!

Edit: the way you describe is exactly what is happening :/

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boo · « **Reply #115 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:39:18 »

Nope didn't work.

How do I port in TMK? Can you help me please?

leeku · « **Reply #116 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 19:13:45 »

Hey I am here.
Would you some one summary the status for me?

TerryMathews · « **Reply #117 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 21:05:55 »

Quote from: leeku on Tue, 02 May 2017, 19:13:45

Hey I am here.
Would you some one summary the status for me?

Hi Leeku - I'm the person who's built the Ergo for _BMW_M3_. The problem he was having was that upon plugging the keyboard in it would report as an Unidentified USB device, and not respond nor allow him to connect via JigOn. We reflashed the board with an USBasp and it was still exhibiting the same issue.

I want to point out that he had me install RGB LEDs and in-switch LEDs on the whole board.

MajorKoos reported a similar issue and was able to correct it by desoldering the LEDs from his board. Working from that, I desoldered RGB #1 and reflashed - same issue persisted. I desoldered the in-switch LEDs from the right-hand side of the board (PrSc,ScrLk,Paus,Home,Ins,PgUp,End,Del,PgDn, and the arrows) reflashed and I was able to connect via JigOn.

At this point I reconnected RGB #1 and the board was still functional. The board is now working properly with in-switch LEDs and RGB LEDs on, and connecting and programming via JigOn without issue.

Based on the fact that removing 13 LEDs corrected the issue, I think there's something wrong with the LED drive circuit on this PCB. Since it is appearing on at least two PCBs, I wonder if it isn't some sort of design flaw? Is there any way to control in-switch LED intensity aside from the resistors on the PCB?

boo · « **Reply #118 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 21:42:55 »

Quote from: TerryMathews on Tue, 02 May 2017, 21:05:55

Quote from: leeku on Tue, 02 May 2017, 19:13:45
Hey I am here.
Would you some one summary the status for me?

Hi Leeku - I'm the person who's built the Ergo for _BMW_M3_. The problem he was having was that upon plugging the keyboard in it would report as an Unidentified USB device, and not respond nor allow him to connect via JigOn. We reflashed the board with an USBasp and it was still exhibiting the same issue.

I want to point out that he had me install RGB LEDs and in-switch LEDs on the whole board.

MajorKoos reported a similar issue and was able to correct it by desoldering the LEDs from his board. Working from that, I desoldered RGB #1 and reflashed - same issue persisted. I desoldered the in-switch LEDs from the right-hand side of the board (PrSc,ScrLk,Paus,Home,Ins,PgUp,End,Del,PgDn, and the arrows) reflashed and I was able to connect via JigOn.

At this point I reconnected RGB #1 and the board was still functional. The board is now working properly with in-switch LEDs and RGB LEDs on, and connecting and programming via JigOn without issue.

Based on the fact that removing 13 LEDs corrected the issue, I think there's something wrong with the LED drive circuit on this PCB. Since it is appearing on at least two PCBs, I wonder if it isn't some sort of design flaw? Is there any way to control in-switch LED intensity aside from the resistors on the PCB?

Hi Leeku, I would like to add that you have inspected my board when you were in California and we exchanged few emails since then. The board was fine when I received from you but now, I get the same issue as Terry. I reflashed using AVRDUDE, worked for a week, then the board died. Today, I am able to connect to JigOn, Jigon recognized my keystrokes and I am able to program the board but windows does not recognize my keystrokes. I tried on two PCs and multiple cables but same issue.

I am using plastic screws and sip socket trimmed as suggested but there are no led anymore. Thanks!

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MajorKoos · « **Reply #119 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:26:36 »

I should point out I had to reflash both the boot loader and the firmware.
Have you tried both?

TerryMathews · « **Reply #120 on:** Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:47:04 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:26:36

I should point out I had to reflash both the boot loader and the firmware.
Have you tried both?

How did you reflash bootloader? I've only got the hex file for the firmware.

boo · « **Reply #121 on:** Wed, 03 May 2017, 00:46:23 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:26:36

I should point out I had to reflash both the boot loader and the firmware.
Have you tried both?

I second that too. Im with terry on this one.

MajorKoos · « **Reply #122 on:** Wed, 03 May 2017, 08:48:12 »

Quote from: boo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 00:46:23

Quote from: MajorKoos on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:26:36
I should point out I had to reflash both the boot loader and the firmware.
Have you tried both?

I second that too. Im with terry on this one.

Here you go.
Firmware, boot loader, etc.
First do the boot loader, then do the firmware.

My theory is that the boot loader fixes the brown out detection settings and stops further corruption, but I haven't put anything other than the indicator LEDs back in to test.

boo · « **Reply #123 on:** Wed, 03 May 2017, 13:38:12 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Wed, 03 May 2017, 08:48:12

Quote from: boo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 00:46:23
Quote from: MajorKoos on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:26:36
I should point out I had to reflash both the boot loader and the firmware.
Have you tried both?

I second that too. Im with terry on this one.

Here you go.
Firmware, boot loader, etc.
First do the boot loader, then do the firmware.

My theory is that the boot loader fixes the brown out detection settings and stops further corruption, but I haven't put anything other than the indicator LEDs back in to test.

Oh, I've been rewriting the bootloader using AVRdude since the beginning. Only way to upload the new FW because without a new bootloader, my PC won't detect my keyboard. Thanks for the files tho!

MajorKoos · « **Reply #124 on:** Wed, 03 May 2017, 20:07:13 »

Quote from: boo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 13:38:12

Quote from: MajorKoos on Wed, 03 May 2017, 08:48:12
Quote from: boo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 00:46:23
Quote from: MajorKoos on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:26:36
I should point out I had to reflash both the boot loader and the firmware.
Have you tried both?

I second that too. Im with terry on this one.

Here you go.
Firmware, boot loader, etc.
First do the boot loader, then do the firmware.

My theory is that the boot loader fixes the brown out detection settings and stops further corruption, but I haven't put anything other than the indicator LEDs back in to test.

Oh, I've been rewriting the bootloader using AVRdude since the beginning. Only way to upload the new FW because without a new bootloader, my PC won't detect my keyboard. Thanks for the files tho!

OK, that kind of makes sense.
In theory then the road to success is to skip the in switch LEDs and reflash the FW and bootloader via an ISP.
RGB LEDs may still be an option though - I didn't install them and had similar issues anyway.

All being said and done though, after removing the LEDs and reflashing I haven't had a single issue.
It's a wonderful keyboard to use.

boo · « **Reply #125 on:** Wed, 03 May 2017, 22:22:33 »

Quote from: MajorKoos on Wed, 03 May 2017, 20:07:13

Quote from: boo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 13:38:12
Quote from: MajorKoos on Wed, 03 May 2017, 08:48:12
Quote from: boo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 00:46:23
Quote from: MajorKoos on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:26:36
I should point out I had to reflash both the boot loader and the firmware.
Have you tried both?

I second that too. Im with terry on this one.

Here you go.
Firmware, boot loader, etc.
First do the boot loader, then do the firmware.

My theory is that the boot loader fixes the brown out detection settings and stops further corruption, but I haven't put anything other than the indicator LEDs back in to test.

Oh, I've been rewriting the bootloader using AVRdude since the beginning. Only way to upload the new FW because without a new bootloader, my PC won't detect my keyboard. Thanks for the files tho!

OK, that kind of makes sense.
In theory then the road to success is to skip the in switch LEDs and reflash the FW and bootloader via an ISP.
RGB LEDs may still be an option though - I didn't install them and had similar issues anyway.

All being said and done though, after removing the LEDs and reflashing I haven't had a single issue.
It's a wonderful keyboard to use.

Well I removed all the leds but not the sip socket. I'm thinking since the leds aren't installed it shouldn't make a connection?? I'm noob at electronics so that's my understanding of it. Ordering some rgb led to give it a try

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leeku · « **Reply #126 on:** Wed, 03 May 2017, 23:29:52 »

Here is some possible flaws,

1. Actually whole LEDs in the switch consumes the current. - Try the other cables.
2. Showing BootHID on "device&printer" when you plug holding "~"key confirms that there is no problem in circuit as well as bootloader.
3. Try to plug in holing "U" key , which make the keyboard to USB mode instead of PS/2 mode(plugin holding "P") key.
4. For boo, I think you may see the "L3"keyboard on "Device&Printer" when the keyboards plugged(it makes sense because the JigOn recognize the keyboard) - maybe some problems in key map otherwise there is some problem in switch matrix circuit. -> try to update latest FW and use JigOn on http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_sw&document_srl=2702787

Please contact me via "leeku11" @ skype it's easier to handling one to one.

boo · « **Reply #127 on:** Thu, 04 May 2017, 02:35:53 »

Quote from: leeku on Wed, 03 May 2017, 23:29:52

Here is some possible flaws,

1. Actually whole LEDs in the switch consumes the current. - Try the other cables.
2. Showing BootHID on "device&printer" when you plug holding "~"key confirms that there is no problem in circuit as well as bootloader.
3. Try to plug in holing "U" key , which make the keyboard to USB mode instead of PS/2 mode(plugin holding "P") key.
4. For boo, I think you may see the "L3"keyboard on "Device&Printer" when the keyboards plugged(it makes sense because the JigOn recognize the keyboard) - maybe some problems in key map otherwise there is some problem in switch matrix circuit. -> try to update latest FW and use JigOn on http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_sw&document_srl=2702787

Please contact me via "leeku11" @ skype it's easier to handling one to one.

Hi leeku, I messaged you on Skype.

I think there is a problem with in switch matrix circuit. I used the lastest firmware and jigon but still has problem. My Device Printer show L3 Keyboard and Jigon recognize.

boo · « **Reply #128 on:** Thu, 04 May 2017, 04:08:42 »

Quote from: leeku on Wed, 03 May 2017, 23:29:52

Here is some possible flaws,

1. Actually whole LEDs in the switch consumes the current. - Try the other cables.
2. Showing BootHID on "device&printer" when you plug holding "~"key confirms that there is no problem in circuit as well as bootloader.
3. Try to plug in holing "U" key , which make the keyboard to USB mode instead of PS/2 mode(plugin holding "P") key.
4. For boo, I think you may see the "L3"keyboard on "Device&Printer" when the keyboards plugged(it makes sense because the JigOn recognize the keyboard) - maybe some problems in key map otherwise there is some problem in switch matrix circuit. -> try to update latest FW and use JigOn on http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_sw&document_srl=2702787

Please contact me via "leeku11" @ skype it's easier to handling one to one.

All, I just had a quick Skype session with Leeku. He was super helpful and fixed my board within minutes.

Leeku used Command prompt to read the settings in the keyboard.

The solution he used briefly

1. He place all the FW and files with JigOn on desktop
2. went to CMD and typed "cd Desktop"
3. Typed "l3cmd printcfg"and it showed all the settings in the chip including some settings that are not available through JigOn
4. He noticed that my matrix debounce was set at 255. I understood this as the time it takes for the key press to go through the circuitry and register in the computer.
5. He typed "l3cmd set debounce 5" to set my debounce to 5 and now the board works perfectly. I am typing on the ERGO as we speak.

Thank you Leeku and the support that you provided. He suggested to reach him via skype. I suggest if you have a webcam or mic it helps because you can't use the keyboard while hes helping you.

Trente · « **Reply #129 on:** Tue, 22 August 2017, 18:52:09 »

I grabbed my LZ ergo from my shelf after it sitting in there for two months, and it stops working somehow... Originally there are three working indicator LED, but now one of them seems dead, and I checked it and it seem that socket is dead... Both my mac and windows laptop can't recognize the PCB, so I am wondering if anyone know how to test to make sure if the PCB is completely dead or there is some funny bug(hope so) that cause the recognition problem. I had tested to plug in the PCB while pressing any keys on the keyboard, and it seems not working so far ... (Weirdly the backup PCB I given to my friend is still functional though it is never been assembled).

blighty · « **Reply #130 on:** Tue, 22 August 2017, 19:26:34 »

If the socket seems dead, perhaps try reflowing the solder joints around the usb socket?

edit: One of my indicator lights (scroll lock) has been on from after the first month I used the board. At first it annoyed me, but eventually it was an easy way to tell if my keyboard was getting power without touching the PC. When I desoldered the board a couple of weeks ago (swapped out Gat Clears for Cherry silent reds), I made sure that it wasn't shorting on the plate and I reflowed the offending light's connections, but didn't help. To, I guess in my case, the scroll lock light is now a power indicator....

I love the board, but it's a shame about the random PCB issues.

I hope you find the solution!

Trente · « **Reply #131 on:** Tue, 22 August 2017, 22:26:43 »

Quote from: blighty on Tue, 22 August 2017, 19:26:34

I love the board, but it's a shame about the random PCB issues.

I hope you find the solution!

I agreed there are sometimes some random PCB issue going on, but overall I enjoy using this board (and that's way I gave up several board I collected these few month back to this one).
I think my issue might be some random problem, but I just managed to fix it after trying the ~ key when plugging in usb cable for several times. Hope this problem don't happened again as I use it as my daily board again.

Kafka · « **Reply #132 on:** Sat, 26 August 2017, 13:38:53 »

Hey guys, I'm getting my kit in a few days and was wondering what to do to avoid some of the issues people have been having with the pcb. Any tips what to do for leds and such? No leds or no sips or just sips etc? Thanks

MajorKoos · « **Reply #133 on:** Sat, 26 August 2017, 18:27:34 »

I'd avoid all LED's (except the indicators) unless you have an ISP programmer handy.
My bootloader ended up corrupted after installing in-switch LEDs.

TerryMathews · « **Reply #134 on:** Sat, 26 August 2017, 19:15:41 »

Quote from: Kafka on Sat, 26 August 2017, 13:38:53

Hey guys, I'm getting my kit in a few days and was wondering what to do to avoid some of the issues people have been having with the pcb. Any tips what to do for leds and such? No leds or no sips or just sips etc? Thanks

My reco is no in-switch LEDs and no RGBs (I think there was only 1 RGB-compatible case made anyway?). It seems like the bootloader corruption is related to power draw - can't explain it but it happens far too consistently to be a coincidence. The difference between BMW M3's board working and not was the presence of LEDs on the far right modifiers and arrow keys.

alienman82 · « **Reply #135 on:** Sat, 26 August 2017, 19:27:29 »

removed.

TerryMathews · « **Reply #136 on:** Sat, 26 August 2017, 19:54:46 »

No one knows, but the PCB is a one-off design. I suspect there's an issue with the wiring powering at least one of the LED drive relays (I counted 5).

I've never had issues with other Leeku boards either. It can't be random defect for the number of reports on it. It must be a flaw in the circuit itself.

LifeZ · « **Reply #137 on:** Sun, 27 August 2017, 20:57:56 »

Leeku can help you with pcb.
Please change to the latest firmware.

F/W : http://kbdlab.co.kr/?module=file&act=procFileDownload&file_srl=4320094&sid=ebbdca3c12b3174f582b4c8dc470ecce
S/W : http://kbdlab.co.kr/?module=file&act=procFileDownload&file_srl=4320093&sid=a2dfd681007fec4c849850a5530a4df9

Kafka · « **Reply #138 on:** Mon, 28 August 2017, 03:19:20 »

LZ do you have any of the files for the wrist wrest? Kin doesn't have anymore and my friend and I would like to get some made. thx!

LifeZ · « **Reply #139 on:** Mon, 28 August 2017, 10:04:10 »

Quote from: Kafka on Mon, 28 August 2017, 03:19:20

LZ do you have any of the files for the wrist wrest? Kin doesn't have anymore and my friend and I would like to get some made. thx!

Give me a pm
( your e-mail)

alienman82 · « **Reply #140 on:** Mon, 28 August 2017, 10:28:56 »

removed.

AL1234 · « **Reply #141 on:** Tue, 09 June 2020, 15:31:27 »

Hey LZ any chance you're still selling these keyboards?

I'm keen to get one asap.

DALExSNAIL · « **Reply #142 on:** Tue, 09 June 2020, 16:00:44 »

Quote from: AL1234 on Tue, 09 June 2020, 15:31:27

Hey LZ any chance you're still selling these keyboards?

I'm keen to get one asap.

LZ likely isn't selling these as the last post in this thread is from 2017 man.

Post on r/mechmarket and you'll get a better response.

AL1234 · « **Reply #143 on:** Thu, 11 June 2020, 05:03:40 »

no worries thanks Dude, will do!

efikeebs · « **Reply #144 on:** Fri, 15 July 2022, 01:48:09 »

These were the days huh

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