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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #500 on: Mon, 18 December 2017, 19:45:57 »
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?

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« Reply #501 on: Tue, 19 December 2017, 08:14:28 »
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?
I think as always it comes down to personal preference. I love the light BKE domes in my HHKB but they feel even better on my Hi-Pro. I've kept the stock domes in my Realforce RGB and they don't feel "worse" just different than the BKE domes, the stock Topre domes now feel very light and smooth where the BKE are absurdly tactile and fun.

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #502 on: Tue, 19 December 2017, 08:51:56 »
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?

anything with standard 55g domes. 
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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #503 on: Fri, 22 December 2017, 23:05:44 »
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?

55g is still vast preference, but BKE heavy has certainly become a cult favorite
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« Reply #504 on: Sat, 23 December 2017, 13:10:09 »
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?

55g is still vast preference, but BKE heavy has certainly become a cult favorite

I still find 55g too heavy, hopefully the new BKE super light will be a good replacement for 45g domes.

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #505 on: Fri, 29 December 2017, 12:12:03 »
Couldnít decide if I wanted to mess with my stock 55g RF board so i did what any sane person would do... I bought another 87u and some light domes.  Brilliant, right?
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« Reply #506 on: Sun, 31 December 2017, 17:18:06 »
Couldnít decide if I wanted to mess with my stock 55g RF board so i did what any sane person would do... I bought another 87u and some light domes.  Brilliant, right?

LOL just like what a true geekhacker would do.  Personally I'm waiting on the extra light domes before I jump on the mod wagon.

Normally I use 45g and that's my comfort weight.  :thumb:

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #507 on: Fri, 05 January 2018, 23:59:50 »
Damn, it looks like the ultralight samples are sold out! How did I miss it?? Are you planning on stocking more??

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #508 on: Sat, 06 January 2018, 10:30:30 »
Damn, it looks like the ultralight samples are sold out! How did I miss it?? Are you planning on stocking more??

they haven't come in stock yet
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« Reply #509 on: Sun, 07 January 2018, 06:46:54 »
Damn, it looks like the ultralight samples are sold out! How did I miss it?? Are you planning on stocking more??

they haven't come in stock yet

That is great to hear!

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« Reply #510 on: Tue, 09 January 2018, 05:03:29 »
Does this mean that the full sets of the ultra lights havenít come in yet as well?  Very keen to order a set for my 87u. Whatís the actuation force on the ultra lights?
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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #511 on: Tue, 09 January 2018, 09:45:22 »
Yeah, I missed out on the Extreme variant. All sold out. :( I hope you guys restock them, I'm dying to test them!

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« Reply #512 on: Tue, 09 January 2018, 10:31:18 »
Yeah, I missed out on the Extreme variant. All sold out. :( I hope you guys restock them, I'm dying to test them!

They haven't been stocked yet. I am thinking they are just preparing the page for when they do... he posted pictures of them on Instagram recently.

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« Reply #513 on: Tue, 09 January 2018, 11:05:27 »
Ah that makes sense. I just assumed since they were on the product page and said sold out. Thanks for the info though! I'll be picking up a set when they're finally for sale.

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« Reply #514 on: Wed, 17 January 2018, 13:20:18 »
Any news on when the Ultra Lights will go live?

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« Reply #515 on: Wed, 17 January 2018, 13:40:33 »
Any news on when the Ultra Lights will go live?

Tomorrow at 1900 PST.

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #516 on: Thu, 18 January 2018, 13:37:31 »
Is the ultra-light & extreme sampler going to be made available later today as well? And if so, how many of each dome will be included?

I wanted to put some of the extreme ones into any modifiers that were 2u or larger, especially since I have an artisan spacebar that's a quite a bit heavier than a standard spacebar.

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« Reply #517 on: Thu, 18 January 2018, 21:13:49 »
Is the ultra-light & extreme sampler going to be made available later today as well? And if so, how many of each dome will be included?

I wanted to put some of the extreme ones into any modifiers that were 2u or larger, especially since I have an artisan spacebar that's a quite a bit heavier than a standard spacebar.
Looks like 5 of each for $7

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #518 on: Fri, 19 January 2018, 05:47:15 »
ordered my ultra light domes. should be nice! might keep the light instead of ultra light for the space bar. Not sure.

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« Reply #519 on: Fri, 19 January 2018, 06:07:56 »
Ordered a set of ultra lights as well. Can’t wait!

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« Reply #520 on: Sat, 20 January 2018, 14:33:53 »
Ordered my extreme domes. Starting a finger exercise program as we speak.

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« Reply #521 on: Sat, 20 January 2018, 15:29:09 »

We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.

Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy

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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.

Are Medium domes still happening? Since Extreme and Super Light are already on the shop, and nothing about the Medium variant was mentioned since this post, was it cancelled? I'm not really sure if I want Light or Heavy.
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« Reply #522 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:46:37 »
Finally got around to putting my light domes in.  I do like the feel.  The sound change is not the best, but I can live with it.  However, I need some advice.  I've had the damn thing apart 3 times now trying to fix sticky keys.  Why do keys stick sometimes?  Is it spring placement?  Has the dome moved?

You see, I cannot really troubleshoot it b/c every time I open it up, everything gets displaced.  I cannot see how things were when it was not working.  So, I try my best to line everything up again.  This time I think I only have 1 sticky key.  Unfortunately it is Escape.  The key only sticks if you press it firmly.  Normal typing will not cause keys to stick.

Any ideas what causing the sticking?
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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #523 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:54:29 »
How does everything get displaced when you open it? Are you not keeping the top part of the case upside down for some reason?

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« Reply #524 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:59:26 »
How does everything get displaced when you open it? Are you not keeping the top part of the case upside down for some reason?

yes, but some of the domes stick to the PCB when I pull it off.  (probably 1/4 of them)
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« Reply #525 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:39:00 »
Sorry if I came across harshly. I know what you mean now. Iím currently swapping from light to ultra light and all but 5 domes stuck to the PCB on my FC660C.

Edit: That said. I didn't experience any issues. Didn't with the first dome swap either. Make sure the part with the keycaps and sliders is upside down and raised up so that the keycaps/sliders won't move at all. Are you making sure everything is perfectly lined up and all the springs are secure inside the domes before placing the PCB over it? Along with making sure you've already lined up the PCB with screw holes before you place it over the domes.

After that I put all the screws in gently starting from the center and didn't crank them down. Then I turn them all a little tighter. And then a little tighter once more. This is while ensuring I'm pretty gentle. I'd hate to screw something in too tightly and damage the PCB. I'm not sure I'm doing everything optimally, but I am doing it well enough that I haven't had any issues with either dome swap.

If you have any more questions and ideas about what you might be doing differently feel free to share. Good luck!
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« Reply #526 on: Fri, 26 January 2018, 10:29:52 »
I was talking with someone from this thread that had modded his too, he said you have to make sure everything line up perfectly.

Also on top of it if you hypersphere rings it have higher chance of things screw up because the BKE domes are actually a tiny bit taller than the stock Topre domes, so Topre domes had more room for you to shove things in.  BKE domes were kind of exact height as is and shoving more things might compress it too much.

Though I don't know if KBDFan rings would work or not since those are thinner.  But I'm not too sure if that's your case since you didn't mention anything about silencing.

Back then when I do the swap I had to make some kind of rig to prop up the keyboard so all of the sliders are fully extended and none are compressed.

Let us know how it goes and good luck!  I also ordered ultra light so once I get them I'll let you guys know.


EDIT:   Erikdayo would share your typing experience with the ultra light domes?  :D
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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #527 on: Fri, 26 January 2018, 10:41:17 »
I had issues with sticky domes as well. I came to the conclusion it was because some of the domes have leftover material in the cutouts on the sides, causing the domes to be pushed off center. If you look close you can see some of them are kind of webbed with extra rubber that wasn't removed during manufacturing. Make sure you cut this off so the domes sit flush with the pegs and center properly. This in combination with the domes being taller than stock, means you have to be almost perfect when inserting them. Especially if you are using silencing rings.
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« Reply #528 on: Fri, 26 January 2018, 13:43:45 »
Thanks for the feedback, guys.  I also ordered some ultralights so I swapped them in today.  No sticky domes this time.  I'm thinking it was related to the extra material on the edge of the domes as you mentioned.  I had previously trimmed it on several of the light domes, but the extra rubber was present on about 50% of them, and I didn't get it all.

In contrast, the ultralights have hardly any extra material around the cutouts.   Also, since they are much thinner overall, the extra material that IS present doesn't seem to cause fitment issues.

My opinion of the lights vs the ultralights


My topre board is a Realforce 87u 55g uniform.  Out of the box, it is nice but a bit stiff right at the top of the keypress. It's something that I easily got used to, but after being on MX boards and returning to it, I would always have a small readjustment period. I usually prefer a 60g - 68g MX switch (Favorites are Gateron black and Zeal 67).

I liked the sharp pop of the light domes, but they were just too fatiguing.  I felt like they were making my finger tips numb after just a few paragraphs (not from pressing, but from the tactile vibration).  It's a great idea, but not for me.

These ultralights feel better in weight to me.  Something like a 62g Zealio but with slightly more tactile bump at the top.  If you aren't familiar with that switch, keep in mind that 62g is the bottom out force, overall it is a light switch.

My only experience with a 45g Topre switch was a Novatouch and I sold it so I can't do a direct comparison.  However, from what I recall,  the ultralights are on par with the 45g uniform boards but with a more tactile experience.  Also, quite a bit louder.

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #529 on: Fri, 26 January 2018, 14:02:32 »
Thanks for the feedback, guys.  I also ordered some ultralights so I swapped them in today.  No sticky domes this time.  I'm thinking it was related to the extra material on the edge of the domes as you mentioned.  I had previously trimmed it on several of the light domes, but the extra rubber was present on about 50% of them, and I didn't get it all.

In contrast, the ultralights have hardly any extra material around the cutouts.   Also, since they are much thinner overall, the extra material that IS present doesn't seem to cause fitment issues.

My opinion of the lights vs the ultralights


My topre board is a Realforce 87u 55g uniform.  Out of the box, it is nice but a bit stiff right at the top of the keypress. It's something that I easily got used to, but after being on MX boards and returning to it, I would always have a small readjustment period. I usually prefer a 60g - 68g MX switch (Favorites are Gateron black and Zeal 67).

I liked the sharp pop of the light domes, but they were just too fatiguing.  I felt like they were making my finger tips numb after just a few paragraphs (not from pressing, but from the tactile vibration).  It's a great idea, but not for me.

These ultralights feel better in weight to me.  Something like a 62g Zealio but with slightly more tactile bump at the top.  If you aren't familiar with that switch, keep in mind that 62g is the bottom out force, overall it is a light switch.

My only experience with a 45g Topre switch was a Novatouch and I sold it so I can't do a direct comparison.  However, from what I recall,  the ultralights are on par with the 45g uniform boards but with a more tactile experience.  Also, quite a bit louder.

Thanks for posting your impressions. I was hoping the Ultralights would be closer to 55g domes than the Lights. ~62g is probably just a tad too light for my taste. I guess I'll have to wait to try some at a meetup to know for sure.

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #530 on: Fri, 26 January 2018, 15:05:34 »
Maybe itís because I havenít felt the stock 45g domes in a while, but the ultra lights feel like theyíre probably around stock weight to me except just a bit more tactile. Probably not as quiet as stock but definitely much quieter than the light variation. 

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« Reply #531 on: Fri, 26 January 2018, 15:27:53 »
Awesome, that's re-assuring actually haha.

Since my goal is to find replacement for my 45g domes so now I can't wait for their arrival!  :D

Thanks guys!

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #532 on: Mon, 29 January 2018, 22:48:43 »
I'll second that, the ultralights feel very similar to stock 45g (I have two fc660cs to compare side by side). I've done a variable layout with ultralights and lights and it's fantastic. Thanks for the awesome work, jchan!

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« Reply #533 on: Tue, 30 January 2018, 05:44:30 »
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Also on top of it if you hypersphere rings it have higher chance of things screw up because the BKE domes are actually a tiny bit taller than the stock Topre domes, so Topre domes had more room for you to shove things in.  BKE domes were kind of exact height as is and shoving more things might compress it too much.

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I can confirm this. I had Hypersphere's installed when I was swapping in my BKE heavies and it was quite difficult to get the domes properly seated to avoid sticky keys. I did manage to get it them all seated correctly, but I had to take it apart like 6-7 times which was pretty frustrating. So for those who are planning on installing BKE domes on a board with Hyperspheres - be patient and keep calm.  :D
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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #534 on: Wed, 31 January 2018, 11:05:36 »
I got the ultra light!!! Here are some quick facts for those that are on the fence of buying it.

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1. The purple is very pretty haha look at the pictures!!!
2. The middle dome is taller than stock Topre dome and the bottom sheet area is also a tiny bit thicker than Topre sheet.
3. The area where base of spring sits is a tiny bit smaller too, Topre dome have extra groove for the last coil of spring.
4. Topre dome have maybe a 1 mm padded middle and BKE is hollowed out.
5. Yes the weight is close to 45g Topre, although the force curve is different, Topre has a wider smoother bump while BKE has a sharper tactile bump then the force fall off quickly after it collapse. Topre retain the force a bit more after dome collapse.
6. BKE sounds more high pitched while Topre sound deeper.
7. Overall I think because I ordered BKE Ultra Light weight so I find the tactility while is more than 45g Topre but wasn't too drastically different, maybe that's why keyclack were pushing BKE Light as the main weight (though some find it fatiguing).


All things considered, it's a different experience.

I think for me this removes too much of things I loved about Topre (The smooth and deep Topre thock) so this is not for me.

But I can see why some people will love this and I still appreciate keyclack for bring this option into the Topre world. This will open up a lot of future modding opportunities.

Let me know if you guys have any questions.

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #535 on: Sat, 03 February 2018, 18:02:27 »
I got the ultra light!!! Here are some quick facts for those that are on the fence of buying it.

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1. The purple is very pretty haha look at the pictures!!!
2. The middle dome is taller than stock Topre dome and the bottom sheet area is also a tiny bit thicker than Topre sheet.
3. The area where base of spring sits is a tiny bit smaller too, Topre dome have extra groove for the last coil of spring.
4. Topre dome have maybe a 1 mm padded middle and BKE is hollowed out.
5. Yes the weight is close to 45g Topre, although the force curve is different, Topre has a wider smoother bump while BKE has a sharper tactile bump then the force fall off quickly after it collapse. Topre retain the force a bit more after dome collapse.
6. BKE sounds more high pitched while Topre sound deeper.
7. Overall I think because I ordered BKE Ultra Light weight so I find the tactility while is more than 45g Topre but wasn't too drastically different, maybe that's why keyclack were pushing BKE Light as the main weight (though some find it fatiguing).


All things considered, it's a different experience.

I think for me this removes too much of things I loved about Topre (The smooth and deep Topre thock) so this is not for me.

But I can see why some people will love this and I still appreciate keyclack for bring this option into the Topre world. This will open up a lot of future modding opportunities.

Let me know if you guys have any questions.

:)

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Offline Erikdayo

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #536 on: Sat, 17 February 2018, 17:01:31 »
Really happy with the dampeners. Installed mine last night. Using them with BKE Redux ultra lights. Both Shift keys, Enter, and Delete on my FC660C don't get dampened as well as the other keys, but it's still improved. Overall the keyboard sounds lot nicer and more quiet now. Seems like these dampeners didn't really affect the feel either. Still feels great.

Offline totallycaked

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #537 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:03:57 »
The KBDFans silence-x rings are driving me nuts, they come up through the switch all the damn time and I have to shove them back in with a razor blade. I ordered some keyclack silencing rings and I'm eager to see if they fix this issue. It took so long to install those rings I'm not looking forward to doing it again...

Offline Konjungamo

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #538 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:25:17 »
Really happy with the dampeners. Installed mine last night. Using them with BKE Redux ultra lights. Both Shift keys, Enter, and Delete on my FC660C don't get dampened as well as the other keys, but it's still improved. Overall the keyboard sounds lot nicer and more quiet now. Seems like these dampeners didn't really affect the feel either. Still feels great.

Were those your first silencing rings or can you compare them to Silence-X or Hyperfuse rings?

Offline Konjungamo

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #539 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:27:06 »
The KBDFans silence-x rings are driving me nuts, they come up through the switch all the damn time and I have to shove them back in with a razor blade. I ordered some keyclack silencing rings and I'm eager to see if they fix this issue. It took so long to install those rings I'm not looking forward to doing it again...

What board are you using them on? I've heard that story of the rings coming up so many times now but haven't been affected by this at all so farÖ

Hope the keyclack rings fix this for you

Online kmba

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #540 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:59:24 »
KeyClack rings are superior to KBDFans.  They're similar thickness, but due to the added surface are on the keyclack rings, they provide better sound dampening and won't ride up the slider or stick to the plate.   
keyboards.

Offline totallycaked

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #541 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 13:25:24 »
The KBDFans silence-x rings are driving me nuts, they come up through the switch all the damn time and I have to shove them back in with a razor blade. I ordered some keyclack silencing rings and I'm eager to see if they fix this issue. It took so long to install those rings I'm not looking forward to doing it again...

What board are you using them on? I've heard that story of the rings coming up so many times now but haven't been affected by this at all so farÖ

Hope the keyclack rings fix this for you

I'm using a Novatouch. I've also only experienced this happening to specific keys, not across the board. My 'C' key is the worst, I think the ring got twisted somehow and won't reset itself on the slider. I probably notice this one the most because I use C all the time in video games and the slider getting stuck has killed me several times. There's only about 4 or 5 rings that are doing this, but I can't seem to fix them without disassembling the board.

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Re: Topre Dome Replacements (Complete? Wasn't a GB tho.)
« Reply #542 on: Mon, 19 February 2018, 01:31:23 »
All loaded up