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Offline kawasaki161

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I just got around to trying out my R3 67g Zealios in a keyboard esque (not yet soldered) environment. I realized that some of them sound very similar to my 62g ones, but some do some really strange clicking noise when depressed quickly (they sound normal when depressed veeery slowly). Did anyone experience something like that before? Does anyone know a fix for it? I'll try to fix it tomorrow, but if anyone has an idea it will probably save me a lot of time.

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I just got around to trying out my R3 67g Zealios in a keyboard esque (not yet soldered) environment. I realized that some of them sound very similar to my 62g ones, but some do some really strange clicking noise when depressed quickly (they sound normal when depressed veeery slowly). Did anyone experience something like that before? Does anyone know a fix for it? I'll try to fix it tomorrow, but if anyone has an idea it will probably save me a lot of time.

Try lubing the top and bottom of the spring?
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78g Zealios, screw-in stabs (can we call them SIS?), and silencers. Your group buys are starting to have a spy appeal. A zillion extra points to you for running the best GBs!
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I've been sort of inactive for awhile but R4 brought me back! really excited for the 78g!

No Idea For What ground zeal calls his  78g ??  as  78g.
-  Any proper measurement?  If any, Show us please !
-  What's Your Reference?  Is it really 78g ?
-  More than 30% of your R3 switches still have problems with squeaking noise, unstable bottoming with unpleasant noise and wobbling feelings never experienced before with other switches, what's the cause?  Still have QC issues?
-  Does Anyone have similar issues?

As one of your Gateron customers, and as a MX Springs Designer, I have to ask the Basic Questions for the People, Nothing personal at all.  As a Chinese saying, 'Bitter advice can be a good medicine'   Thanks!   :)
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Try lubing the top and bottom of the spring?

It was not pinging it was a clicking sound. But I found out why this occurred and also why no one else had this before.

I compared the switches that made the click and the ones that didn't. Well, when I opened one of the "clicky" ones and pulled the leaf out to look for any major damage the other contact (the one that is stationary) just fell out. Well, it didn't on the non clicking one I opened before, so I grabbed another clicking one, put my finger against the pin on the bottom and voila it did not click anymore. Seems like it is only a problem when they are not soldered in, but it's still not perfect this way, so I hope Zeal will be working on fixing this.

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Yes, many of your concerns/issues have been addressed over the Summer when I visited the factory in June. We had a lengthy discussion with the Engineers and various improvements were touched base on and will be implemented for R4.
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Neat.

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Zeal, can you tell me what controller is used with Zeal60 PCB? And what LED controller?

I notice there are 14 breakout pins: 6 are near Tab, 4 between 1 & 2, and 4 between H & J. Any particular reason why they are positioned that way?
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I decided I want to add some zealencios to my order.  Should I place a new order, or can my original be modified/canceled?

edit: resolved this through email
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Yes, many of your concerns/issues have been addressed over the Summer when I visited the factory in June. We had a lengthy discussion with the Engineers and various improvements were touched base on and will be implemented for R4.

Appreciate Your Answer! it sounds QC issues prevail until R3.
For the unanswered Questions :

-  For What ground you calls your 78g ??  as  78g ?
-  Any proper measurement? Is it really 78g ?

-  What's Your Reference?

As one of your customers, I am curious on these Basic Questions, Nothing personal at all.  Thanks!   :)
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Yes, many of your concerns/issues have been addressed over the Summer when I visited the factory in June. We had a lengthy discussion with the Engineers and various improvements were touched base on and will be implemented for R4.

Appreciate Your Answer! it sounds QC issues prevail until R3.
For the unanswered Questions :

-  For What ground you calls your 78g ??  as  78g ?
-  Any proper measurement?  If any, Show us please !
-  What's Your Reference?  Is it really 78g ?

As one of your customers, I am asking the Basic Questions for the People, Nothing personal at all.  Thanks!   :)
lol nice

is it okay if he takes months to reply to your question like you do to your customers? :-*

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lol nice
is it okay if he takes months to reply to your question like you do to your customers? :-*
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lol nice
is it okay if he takes months to reply to your question like you do to your customers? :-*
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but the questions you just asked are none of your business lad, woof woof

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Zeal, can you tell me what controller is used with Zeal60 PCB? And what LED controller?

I notice there are 14 breakout pins: 6 are near Tab, 4 between 1 & 2, and 4 between H & J. Any particular reason why they are positioned that way?

Controller: ATmega32U4
LED Controller: IS31FL3731

As for the breakout pins, they're there because that's where they can fit. Mostly for re-routing USB header for custom DIY cases, RGB LED strips, etc.
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Possibly a dumb question, but if I am a fan of the clicky keys, such as MX blue, would I enjoy the linear aspect of Zelios? I believe that these are similar to the clears, browns and blacks, which means no click


I am tempted to try, but alas, I am a clicky key individual..

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Possibly a dumb question, but if I am a fan of the clicky keys, such as MX blue, would I enjoy the linear aspect of Zelios? I believe that these are similar to the clears, browns and blacks, which means no click


I am tempted to try, but alas, I am a clicky key individual..
They have a tactile bump just no real clicking sound. Ms brown and clear are the same. Black have no bump at all. So you'll feel the same sort of bump as with blues just quieter.

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Possibly a dumb question, but if I am a fan of the clicky keys, such as MX blue, would I enjoy the linear aspect of Zelios? I believe that these are similar to the clears, browns and blacks, which means no click

I am tempted to try, but alas, I am a clicky key individual..

I also prefer clicky keys, but I find they attract too much attention in offices and public places. Right now I'm using gateron blues at home and my work room at the office. But for my travel keyboards (60% & Planck), I'm fitting them with Zealios. I find they are the best unmodded MX compatible switches if blues are out of question.
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Possibly a dumb question, but if I am a fan of the clicky keys, such as MX blue, would I enjoy the linear aspect of Zelios? I believe that these are similar to the clears, browns and blacks, which means no click

I am tempted to try, but alas, I am a clicky key individual..

I also prefer clicky keys, but I find they attract too much attention in offices and public places. Right now I'm using gateron blues at home and my work room at the office. But for my travel keyboards (60% & Planck), I'm fitting them with Zealios. I find they are the best unmodded MX compatible switches if blues are out of question.

So I use blues at my work (co-workers learned to deal with my eccentricity) If Blues ARE an option, how would you rate zelios vs them? And which would flavor would you choose?

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I also prefer clicky keys, but I find they attract too much attention in offices and public places. Right now I'm using gateron blues at home and my work room at the office. But for my travel keyboards (60% & Planck), I'm fitting them with Zealios. I find they are the best unmodded MX compatible switches if blues are out of question.

So I use blues at my work (co-workers learned to deal with my eccentricity) If Blues ARE an option, how would you rate zelios vs them? And which would flavor would you choose?

If I had the luxury of your coworkers, I'd use blues TBH. But YMMV, I know a lot of people who prefer Zealios to blues.
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I know a lot of people who prefer Zealios to blues.

yeah... it depends on personal taste, I guess.
I think I should use tactile-only sw at my work but Brown is a NO because I can hardly feel any things.
The zealio sw, like clear sw, has a bigger bump so I would expect it to have similar tactile feel like blue sw.
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67g is supposed to have the most pronounced tactile bump, which is probably what you want to replace the audio feedback of a blue.

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What do you guys think about lubing 67gs? Some reviews said it kinda of loses its bump and doesnt feel as good but in this video they sound amazing.


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They really don't need lubing at all, but if you are going to do it, I'd say go with the tiniest amount on just the sliders, at least to start with. Test it and see what you think. I feel like 67g loses a lot of its character with lube, especially as soon as you start touching the tactile bump legs themselves.

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I wouldn't lube Zealios. They already have lube so lubing them again makes them mushy.

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Is there a difference between R3 and R4 65g switches?

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I wouldn't lube Zealios. They already have lube so lubing them again makes them mushy.

I would disagree with you. Too much lube would make it lose its tactile bump. Properly done, they feel like hot knife through butter.

Is there a difference between R3 and R4 65g switches?

Thanks!

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I wouldn't lube Zealios. They already have lube so lubing them again makes them mushy.

I would disagree with you. Too much lube would make it lose its tactile bump. Properly done, they feel like hot knife through butter.


What mixture of lube and method of application would you recommend?
I had my board built with the switches and, admittedly, the only instruction I provided was "light lubing." Upon return, the switches felt mushy and the feeling of tactility was diminished greatly. I blamed the second coat of lube.

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Quick one, what would be closest to the feeling of a 67g on SA be if its on a cherry?

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I wouldn't lube Zealios. They already have lube so lubing them again makes them mushy.

I would disagree with you. Too much lube would make it lose its tactile bump. Properly done, they feel like hot knife through butter.


What mixture of lube and method of application would you recommend?
I had my board built with the switches and, admittedly, the only instruction I provided was "light lubing." Upon return, the switches felt mushy and the feeling of tactility was diminished greatly. I blamed the second coat of lube.

There's no one method suits all when it comes to lubing. You really have to test out which areas you like lubed and build it yourself. I go over the rails, front/back, left/right, legs, pole. Some avoid the legs, etc, etc.

Quick one, what would be closest to the feeling of a 67g on SA be if its on a cherry?

I don't use SA, so I can't help you there. If you like the feel of 67g, then it should work great with all caps.
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Quick one, what would be closest to the feeling of a 67g on SA be if its on a cherry?

I don't use SA, so I can't help you there. If you like the feel of 67g, then it should work great with all caps.

I like my 67g but there are just times that I "think" I need something lighter. The thing is I don't use my SA too. Anyway thanks let me just think through it then put an order in the next few weeks.
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If I already placed an order for x120 65g switches, is it possible to just add x10 78g switches? Or will I need to add x20 to my order? Thanks!

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If I already placed an order for x120 65g switches, is it possible to just add x10 78g switches? Or will I need to add x20 to my order? Thanks!

Send me an email and I can either cancel your current order so you can re-order, or send you a custom cart link for 10x more. Let me know which one you prefer.
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What do I need to order for 60% standard layout board? I've never assembled a board myself, but if i do it has to be with these Zealios.
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Any plans for a TKL pcb?
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What do I need to order for 60% standard layout board? I've never assembled a board myself, but if i do it has to be with these Zealios.

61-62 keys depending on ANSI or ISO. A few more if short right shift/hhkb backspace. Generally 65-70 is a good amount for a 60% build, as you're left with extras in case of mistakes/accidents.

Any plans for a TKL pcb?

Or a 96-key?  ;D

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How much easier will it be to use the 65g milky switches vs. 78g. I have limited experience in soldering.
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How much easier will it be to use the 65g milky switches vs. 78g. I have limited experience in soldering.

The milky bottom Zealios aren't any more "easier" to solder...just more so that it can take a bit more of a beating than the clear bottom ones.
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I had a browse through this thread but I didn't see what the estimated shipping date will be. Did I just miss it somewhere?

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I had a browse through this thread but I didn't see what the estimated shipping date will be. Did I just miss it somewhere?

Go make an order, shipping will be quoted on checkout.
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I had a browse through this thread but I didn't see what the estimated shipping date will be. Did I just miss it somewhere?

yeah, heres whats on the bottom of the GB store page

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managed to snag a pcb! grabbing 80x R4's with lube, stabs, and LEDs for my next 60% build! :)

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If I order some Zealios, but also order stuff like LEDs, will the other items ship with the switches? Or am I not allowed to order them together?
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Any plans for a TKL pcb?
TKL high chance, 96key...hard to say.

Sweet.  I would just need a TKL WKL Titanium color KMAC style case and I might have my end game keyboard.
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If I order some Zealios, but also order stuff like LEDs, will the other items ship with the switches? Or am I not allowed to order them together?

For items such as LEDs, etc, those will be shipped with the switches when they're all ready to go out.
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If I order some Zealios, but also order stuff like LEDs, will the other items ship with the switches? Or am I not allowed to order them together?

For items such as LEDs, etc, those will be shipped with the switches when they're all ready to go out.

Bless. I'll be ordering 100 zealios soon here, love the 67g

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I can now say that I just killed my first Zealio, my "x" button does not always detect anymore when I hit it fast, only took 618k buttonpresses (mainly osu! abuse). Ah well, let's desolder it and see what's up.

Edit:

No idea what was up exactly, but now I've got a new one in and it works again  :thumb:
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@ZealPC I wasn't paying close enough attention to GH and the PCB sold out before I could snag one.  I'm sorry if this was already addressed, but do you have an ETA of a second batch?  Ordered 100x 78g and a set of those gorgeous stabs!  Thank you, supreme group buy commander!

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$50 Stabs?  :eek:
oh yeah I saw that crazy **** if that doesn't win I'm deleting my account

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$50 Stabs?  :eek:

The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.